Thread 105750788

why not cleaning robot?

They don't do the job well and break fast, plus they're a nuisance to clean.

>>105750788 (OP)
>why not yet another useless iot (((smart))) appliance with built-in obsolescence spying on you while the brown people of (((tech support))) are jerking off to the live feed.

>>105750860
There's open-source firmware available for certain models.
https://valetudo.cloud/

>>105750825
This, simply not worth the hassle. If you have wooden floor / not carpet just use a mop, it's 10x faster.

>>105750860
>brown people are jerking off to the live feed
if they're jerking off to my ugly ass they've got even bigger problems than I thought

>>105750825
>they don't do the job well

These things have gotten massively better over the past several years.

https://vacuumwars.com/vacuum-wars-best-robot-vacuums/

>>105750788 (OP)
They only work on clean floors and struggle with rugs

>>105750788 (OP)
One thing too many to care about.
Also they don't last, usually some small gear strips and you can't find replacement.

>>105750788 (OP)
Most robot vacuums are, sadly, borderline Mossad agents on wheels. The majority—from iRobot (Roomba) to Roborock (Xiaomi), Ecovacs, and Dreame—come loaded with:

Wi-Fi/cloud integration

Camera or LIDAR mapping

Data logging sent to remote servers, often in the US or China

Closed firmware and opaque software updates


So yes, many of them are Jewish or Chinese spyware, depending on the manufacturer.


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If you want a based and privacy-respecting alternative:

OpenBotics Neato mod (community firmware)

Some older Neato vacuums (like the D3–D7) can be reflashed with Valetudo, a FOSS project that:

Removes cloud integration

Lets you control it locally over your LAN

Runs fully offline

Doesn’t phone home

Has support for mapping and cleaning via a web UI
But these models are getting hard to find.


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Valetudo + supported vacuums

Valetudo supports a handful of LIDAR-based vacuums, especially from older Xiaomi or Dreame lines. You need a model that:

Uses Rockchip or Allwinner SOCs

Allows UART access

Can be rooted and flashed


You’ll have to crack it open and connect a serial adapter, but once flashed, it's 100% local and cloud-free. No Alexa, no Wi-Fi dependency, no data sent anywhere.


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Avoid these brands:

Roomba (iRobot) – bought by Amazon, completely cloud-bound

Ecovacs / Dreame / Roborock – tons of data sent to China

Shark – some US presence, but still closed ecosystem


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Verdict:

If you're redpilled and value sovereignty over your home appliances, don’t trust any out-of-the-box vacuum robot. Look for an older model with modding potential and flash it with Valetudo.

Otherwise, get a broom and pretend you live in 1825.

Want help picking a Valetudo-compatible model or setting one up?

>>105750788 (OP)
Nigga have you heard of a vacuum cleaner? It takes 5 minutes to clean the floor maybe 10 depending how big your house is

>>105751556
based and true
it's always seemed like a pointless product to me given how fast vacuuming is, it's not slow and unpleasant like washing the dishes or whatever

>>105750788 (OP)
Serious question can I use it as onahole?

>>105751567
also doesn't need to be done every day like dishes
buying a robot to automate a task that takes 15 minutes a week at maximum is a retarded value proposition

>>105750788 (OP)
Bought a roomba years ago, still working great, still cleaning fine. I just empty the bin before using it, directly in the garbage can. I change the filter, brushes once a year. Never had a problem. Worth every fucking penny.

>>105751082
It may be faster, but you have to do it yourself. I love to start my robot vacuum and go outside. When I get home my floors are clean.

>>105750788 (OP)
Meh. I thought the newest models would actually be good at cleaning, got one, and I'm unimpressed.
Sure, it vacuums, and mops too. But it's just not quite good enough to replace manual cleaning.
>despite having that external arm brush to allegedly scoop in dust and debris from corners, said corners still end up with a bunch of shut stuck in them
>in fact it usually sweeps stuff INTO the corners
>pet hair/dust bunnies just get pushed away by said arm brush, not always, but often enough that some always end up stuck in a corner too
>around carpets, where the elevation changes due to the carpet thickness, it always leaves a strip of dirt presumably because the main brush doesn't touch the floor
>any slightly bigger pieces don't get sucked up, at best they get stuck in the main brush and make a terrible racket and you have to lift the robot and shake them out and manually sweep them out, at worst it ends up randomly spreading them everywhere
>"""obstacle avoidance""" means it won't clean an area about a square foot around a random sock lying on the floor
>you can turn it off but then it'll get fucking tangled in any cables you've got lying around
>they tend to come with obstacle identification too but there's no way to select different behaviours per type (e.g. I don't care if you push my slippers around while cleaning under them, but make sure you don't get tangled in cables), as far as I know this isn't a feature they seem to be adding even on the newest models

The mopping is actually good but its pathing is terrible, it does a first "perimeter" path where it tries to get the edges (not very reliably) before starting its back-and-forth pattern - but if it encounters any obstacles during the perimeter path, it avoids that area entirely and never checks again, meaning if you happen to step in front of the robot right as it's doing this perimeter mapping whoops that place is not getting cleaned.

>>105752118
(cont.)
Basically it's just so infuriatingly close to being good enough, but it's just not quite there yet, and it's also not clear whether the newer models they keep pumping out every year are actually coming any closer to fixing these issues or if it's just "more sucking power! more gimmicks like detachable mops! robot arms for some fucking reason!".

So my conclusion is that they're only really good if you have relatively small house, that stays mostly clean anyway i.e. you don't have pets of any sort or anything like that. In which case it'll take you 15 minutes weekly to vacuum by hand anyway. I guess buying a $200 budget model is fine if you've got the money to spend.
But if you've got a larger house, if you've got pets, if you've got multiple family members, basically if vacuuming and mopping the floors takes like 45-60 minutes every week - which is where I'd love to have a robot do it for me instead of taking an hour out of my saturdays - then that's where the robots just become inadequate, and maybe they can make the house slightly cleaner if you run them multiple times a week but you'll still need to do a proper manual clean at least weekly.
And given the shit-ass pathing issues I've observed they're really not good for running while there's people in the house, so even for casual mid-week cleaning they're only good if you can run them when the house is completely empty.

Also, I find it incredibly aggravating how aggressive all the manufacturers are with forcing cloud-based shit on you. Valetudo exists but rather than just letting it be, the manufacturers are actively trying to fight against it and patch the paths to root the robot. It's insane - there's a market for people who care about privacy, and valetudo is a hobby project so even if they really really want the houseplan data, the few autists who will bother rooting their robot are going to be insignificant anyway, and they'd just get a few extra sales that don't bring in telemetry. But nooo, they'd rather said privacy autists not buy the robot at all if they can help it.

Yes I'm autistic about this because, as I said, they're just so very close to being good, but they're not and mostly for stupid reasons like weird navigation decisions and active hostility from the manufacturers. I'm really annoyed at the current state of vacuum robot tech.

>>105750825
I got an Ecovacs one like 5 years ago for $150, it works OK for my 80 m2 apartment. I just need to clean the edges of the carpets myself because dust can get in there.

>>105750788 (OP)
Wake me when they can climb and clean stairs.

>>105751524
What's a good robot vacuum which can run Valetudo? From the list on the website, the S7 Pro Ultra seems like the best out of the brand I know, but I can only find S7 Max/MaxV Ultra in my country. My years old S6 MaxV isn't even on the list.

A quick look on the Valetudo subreddit reveals a recent schizo drama too, so is this project gonna die soon?

>>105751599
this. have it on a daily schedule then empty the bag weekly

>>105755383
Dreame has the newest supported models right now. Though the newest models are not necessarily worth the price.
>reddit schizo drama
qrd?

Y'all niggas need Matic.
https://maticrobots.com/product

>>105750788 (OP)
>SLAM
>SLAM
>SLAM
>SLAM
>*Boop boop* "Shutting down!"
>red flashing light

>>105755547
If you're going to shill at least explain what actually makes it good
>check website
>shitty comparison gif with normal circular vacuums
>"First of its kind integrated mopping and vacuuming system"
>"Most [other vacuums] can't mop and vacuum, and those that can have to be manually toggled"
Pretty much all other vacuums in the $1000+ price range can mop and vacuum and can do so at the same time, or one after the other, or vacuum carpets first then vacuum+mop the rest, etc.
And they can actually fit under wardrobes and beds.

All this tells me is that this is a product from 2015 or so and they haven't updated their marketing material.

>>105755485
How new are we talking? I'm not familiar with that brand, but it looks promising. I'd really like a docking station for automatic emptying of dust bin, cleaning/drying mop, filling/emptying water. And it better have decent suction too (my S6 mentioned earlier has a pathetic 2500Pa, yet I can't claim it's not working).

Can you use the robot as a remote camera too like on Roborock? They both look to be Xiaomi based so I'd guess yes.

>>105755603
this has been my experience

Plus the chinese kid they pay to drive it always follows me in the bathroom. He will stop cleaning a room entirely just to follow me to the bathroom. That chink kid loves to watch me poop.

>>105751412
>$1,599.99
Jesus shit.

>>105755690
>How new are we talking?
As in the $1400-1800 model from I think late last year is supported. (Which you most definitely do not need, flagship models are always priced at least 2x what they're worth, then the next flagship or two come out and the old ones drop to something more reasonable.)
>docking station
Yeah that's standard on anything even remotely high-end nowadays.
>suction
Check the specs, they're all wanking themselves on high suction nowadays.
>remote camera
I think so, I've never tried. They do have cameras. If valetudo has that feature (I've just never looked for it) then you can probably do it.

IIRC there was some other rebrand like mova pro or some shit which was WAY cheaper but had most of the good features too. Just browse the supported/recommended robots list and compare.

>>105755642
Check the reviews.
Literally every 1000+ dollar bot sucks in some capacity; some suck at sucking, some leave behind wet stripes, some have shit object avoidance...
This thing? It's perfect. Not a single bad review.

>>105755763
The X40 Ultra looks like the only viable option for me right now and has never been cheaper at currently $740. What worries me is the cringe language for it on the list:
>Feature-parity is a non-goal for Valetudo, and if you’re wondering which features “you might lose”, Valetudo is not for you.
Lmao, like what do I lose bro? Don't see this text on others.

>>105751524
schizo nobody is spying on your house with lidar. those sensors see nothing of interest.

>>105756125
That's clearly a chatgpt answer moron

>>105756096
I have an L10 Ultra and I haven't really lost any features. Other than obviously the ability to control it over the internet with no setup, for example (you'd need your own tunelling solution), and whatever smart/"AI cleaning" or whatever the app might shove (I've never installed it). The hardware all works. The firmware is also stock - just rooted - so it'll work same as normal, the only difference is the C&C is local valetudo rather than a chink server.

Yeah the dev of valetudo is a gigantic autist and not in a good way. But it works well enough.

>Don't see this text on others.
What others?

>>105750927
I just run a pihole and sucks

>>105755547
>ios only
no thank you I am trying to ditch iphone after this one goes eol or breaks.

>>105755891
>no actual answer
Low quality shill, you won't earn your shekels that way

>>105756151
>i was pretending to be retarded

>>105756153
>What others?
If you C-f the supported robots page and search for "Valetudo is not for you", it's only found under the X40 Ultra/Master. Anyway, looks like I won't miss any features, but after that text I just had to know.

>Yeah the dev of valetudo is a gigantic autist
As long as they're not transitioning...

Now to figure out this custom PCB board shit.

>>105756343
Huh. That sounds ominous. Since I don't have the X40, consider asking about this somewhere.
They're fucking autistic so the only places to reach them is a fucking telegram group for some reason, or github discussions, but if you can get an answer it might be good for peace of mind.

The message is the same as the spiel here https://valetudo.cloud/pages/general/why-not-valetudo.html but I agree that it's weird that on the supported robots page, it's only specifically highlighted for the X40 models.

>>105755383
>>105755485
Bump.

>>105750788 (OP)
Since I'm a cousin of chewbacca, twice removed, this has been a godsend for picking strands of hair throughout the apartment

>>105751082
>carpet
>2025
Jesus, it's easier to find houses with asbestos than with carpet.

>>105750825
newer models clean themselves

>>105751481
no issues with my robot on both carpet and hardwood here

>>105751556
have you ever heard of a disability, or maybe a large house

>>105750788 (OP)
>2068
>war with china has reached the US mainland
>fighting in the streets near anon's house
>chang, they're fortified in that building
>we need the floorplans, consult the cleaning robot espionage files
>pvt chang brings it up on his xiaomi phone /g/ inadvertently helped fund
>another fight lost to the chinese because anon let them just have critical battlefield intel
fucking boomers

>>105759218
You forget the part were the house is made of paper, and chang can just drive over it

>>105756125
>no one is spying on you go-guys
user data is more valuable to these companies than money. YOU ARE THE PRODUCT. YOU ARE BEING FARMED FOR ANALYTICS. OBEY. CONSUME.

>>105751524
>caring about this shit when every government agency can map out your entire house with just your WiFi already
You’re not even the smart type of schizo, just the faggot retard type

>>105751082
>just use a mop, it's 10x faster.
Serious question anon, do you do your dishes and laundry by hand?
Because both can be done substantially faster than via machine.
The point isn't if it's faster, it's that I don't have to do it, so I can use the time for other stuff.

>>105755738
That’s like 1% of my take home pay per year, get a job.

>>105759000
If you don't have a carpet you're a nigger

>>105750788 (OP)
I have an early roomba. It does ok. Have had to replace the wheels on it a couple times since it likes to get itself caught in new interesting places every couple weeks. They are only really good for making it so you only have to vacuum manually every other week if they run everyday.

>>105759218
People often strawman about this but
a) Newer models almost all have cameras for object recognition. "Just buy an older model" only works for so long until you want a better robot and the only options have cameras. And
b) If your internet ever goes down, or if Xiaomi closes its vacuum department for some reason, etc. etc. - why should that prevent you from operating your own vacuum in your own home?

If a "smart" device ceases functioning should your wifi go down for some reason, where a "dumb" device would have retained full functionality, then that "smart" device is worthless.

>>105751577
It's more like 20-30 minutes if you have a decent sized house. I got my vacuum for $150 4 years ago (self cleaning, crazy promotional offer I got lucky with). It's never broken, and I automated it with home assistant to run twice a week (Mondays and Thursdays) only if I'm not at home.

Assuming 20 minutes per vacuum time (and once per week), that's 4,160 minutes of my life (or 70 hours) that I haven't had to listen to some dogshit vacuum cleaner while dodging the cables and role-playing as a Filipina housemaid. That's at least a level 99 in Runescape.

>>105752171
>some autist breaks his vacuum trying to flash le open source haxorz onto it
>initiates a warranty claim
>company sees it was modified and their time was wasted
>repeat 50+ times
This is why they block modifications. Not because they're afraid of you doing what you like and want to bother you personally. Decisions like that bother me as well, but people like us easily represent less than 1% of their revenue.

>>105761033
I got a two bedroom apartment. Bedrooms are upstairs. It can do the downstairs (living room, dining room and kitchen) in 30 minutes. Carpet everywhere except the kitchen, where it mops. Have it set to do this 3 days a week. Two days when I'm in the office and the third day on saturday.

Do these stupid little cunts even learn the room and optimize their route? Trivial really, but wouldn't be surprised if they just bounce around forever the stupid little cunts.

>>105759945
Do you spend that much on mops, fatass?

>>105761542
No, but the 1% cost of one year of my annual income is worth me never having to give a shit aside from emptying the tank once every 3 month and having perfectly clean floors while you use a MOP like a negro in an old Disney cartoon.

>>105761915
Why do you keep repeating 1%? Do you have trouble remembering things?

>>105750788 (OP)
Because it reminds of how many of pic related that I blew up in game.
Also vacuum mop is better.

>>105751556
My parents have one of the central vacuum systems (they are common in Canada) and it literally takes me longer to take out and put out the vacuum than it takes me to vacuum.
>>105751577
Primary use case is for cat and dog owners. It becomes more worthwhile when you’re vacuuming daily.

>>105750788 (OP)
Because it reminds of how many of pic related that I blew up in game.
Also vacuum mop is better.

>>105761468
If you have a good one it can literally go round folding chair legs.

>>105759213
Lazy nigger

>>105750788 (OP)
My house usually has way too much shit on the floor from kids. Once the house is tidy, vacuuming is the easy part.
I love my pool vacuum though.

>>105762020
Just doing it so you remember you’re poor.

>>105761057
The thing is they don't block them, they just make them harder, more dangerous and MORE likely to brick the robot. Apparently back in the day you could just ssh in with some hardcoded known root password. Which was obviously not great for security but it's still a lot nicer than having to breakout the debug port with a custom PCB, send serial commands, possibly scratch out a trace on the actual robot motherboard, etc. etc.

Dreame robots literally have a hardware watchdog that reboots them after like 100 seconds or something when in debug mode or when flashing or whatever, I forgot. Basically when you're rooting the robot, you have to run all the flash commands within that time limit else the watchdog will hard-reboot the robot, and if it was mid-flash then apparently that literally bricks it. It's not that hard to do it (flashing normally takes like 15-20 seconds so you've got a lot of leeway) but this is not a feature that you add if you want to reduce warranty claims of bricked robots.

>company sees it was modified and their time was wasted
>repeat 50+ times
Also, I'm pretty sure the engineering and dev time required to actually implement proper secure boot, fix their firmware exploits, etc. etc. is orders of magnitude more than some low-level support guy's time to reject 50 claims.

>>105750788 (OP)
>>105750825
What happens if it sucks up cat piss dog shit cat hair used diarrhea wet wipes
Happened to a guy I knew who stopped cleaning his house cause he thought the Roomba would do it
Had trash piled up to his ceiling honest to God

>>105763919
>cat piss
Currently it'll mop it up I think
>dog shit
Will detect as an "obstacle" and avoid the entire area around it
>cat hair
It's a vacuum, what do you think it's gonna do to hair? Sort it neatly onto your shelves? Now the only downside is some shittier brushes are bad at de-tangling and properly sucking up hair but that's a separate skill issue
>used diarrhea
Should be able to detect as an obstacle. Same with new diarrhea.
>wet wipes
Obstacle