Moving forward with other candidates edition

>Interviewing
Neetcode 150: https://neetcode.io/practice
Tips and interview practice: https://blog.interviewing.io/

>How to write a resume
https://stackoverflow.blog/2020/11/25/how-to-write-an-effective-developer-resume-advice-from-a-hiring-manager/

>Salary Stuff
"What's your expected salary?": https://www.fearlesssalarynegotiation.com/salary-expectations-interview-question/
Negotiation advice: https://github.com/petermekhaeil/salary-negotiating
Salary data: https://levels.fyi/

>Software Development & Programming
GitHub Trending - https://github.com/trending
DevDocs - https://devdocs.io/
JavaScript, CSS, HTML sandbox - https://jsfiddle.net/
MDN Web Docs - https://developer.mozilla.org/
Stack Overflow Blog - https://stackoverflow.blog/

>IT Operations & Infrastructure
AWS Service Health Dashboard - https://status.aws.amazon.com/
Cloudflare System Status - https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/
DownDetector - https://downdetector.com/
Microsoft Azure Status - https://status.azure.com/
Microsoft Office 365 Status - https://portal.office.com/servicestatus

>Unemployment Advice
Interview Prep - https://www.wikihow.com/Ask-Your-Parents-for-Money
Building a Resume - https://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Manifesto
Salary Stuff - https://www.usa.gov/benefit-finder/disability
Emotional Support - https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods
People who will be joining us shortly - https://layoffs.fyi

>International Job Boards
LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/
Indeed - https://www.indeed.com/
Hiring Cafe - https://hiring.cafe/
YCombinator - https://www.workatastartup.com/companies
Wellfound - https://wellfound.com/jobs

>Anti-Pajeet Job Boards
USAJobs - https://www.usajobs.gov/
Clearancejobs - https://www.clearancejobs.com/

Previous
>>105713472

I want to get into linux system admining. What are some projects that would be worth by while?

>>105760623 (OP)
>Unemployable Tech Workers General
Being unemployable is the direct consequence of mass jeet import. Elon the Betrayer fights tooth and nail to keep them here. The rich tech bros are the poor tech bros' biggest predators.

I hate this.
I pray to God for guidance on if I should change my career path and don't seem to get an answer.
I want to be a semi-functional member of society at the very least.

Woke up at 7pm today, went to costco right before it was about to close (when the store is empty), then went to get myself some coffee.
Now I'm going to grill myself a steak and wait an hour or two before going to the gym.
God I fucking love being unemployed.

>Wake up
>Take ~1/4 of edible (so like 2.5mg THC)
>Watch Futurama while eating breakfast
>Pass out on the couch for 7 hours
>Wake up incredibly thirsty
Not my most productive day. Evidently I needed some sleep though.

>>105760986
holy based

>>105760986
Damn I want to be unemployed again
I'd quit, but I need to stick it out another 6 months to keep this sign on bonus and get my stocks

>>105760857
learn a trade

th...thanks

Is it worth pursuing the CCNA certification? I've taken the practice exam and got 75% of it correct, I could probably study from a book and get the rest of it to pass, but is it an actually desirable cert now? What about CCNP?

>>105760623 (OP)
Finally got the offer letter bros. Hunting since January. The interview went on for a whopping 2 months. You're going to make it bros.

>going over a recorded video interview I have to send
>zero anxiety
>look and sound like a giga autist the entire time
fuck it we ball

>>105760790
Deploy a kubernetes cluster on premise and deploy an app to it.

>>105761680
I see you're on step 17 of the application process.

>>105760986
how do you manage to coast by like that while being unemployed? in my experience i'm always piss broke because of bills and insurance and shit

>>105762671
if you rent a small apartment unemployment will easily pay all your expenses

>>105762671
NTA, I live with my mum. I'm a leech and I want to change but people (justifiably) don't want to hire a neet. But I also don't go out and spend money like that guy does, I try to keep my expenses as low as possible.

warehouse never replied to my job app

>>105764560
>You don't have a masters in loading boxes into trucks?
>What about forklifting? Surely you have 5 years experience in this specific model of forklift right?
>You're just not going to cut it in this market like that.
>What? "No experience needed"? Where?
>Oh, haha, silly me. That's supposed to be "No, experience needed!"
>"The Simpsons"? Sorry, I don't watch cartoons.

I am so sick of this gay economy where there's supposedly a labor shortage in every field yet I can't get hired anywhere meanwhile roasties are getting paid to make tiktok videos in the office.

>>105764560
can't you just move back home and try getting a job in tech? working a warehouse job seems like a death knell to your tech career. also you need time to learn things and build projects.

>>105765267
>can't you just move back home and try getting a job in tech?
>also you need time to learn things and build projects.
that's what i've been doing for the last year, my ambitions are already crushed

Is it really that bad? Office worker burnt out and I really wouldn't mind a year break now. Starting to get really depressed.

>>105765294
I would slum it out for another 6 months before entirely giving up. you never know

>junior sys admin requires senior support tech experience
Is that a thing?

>>105766172
Yeah if you don't have any other credentials.

>>105766940
What about a junior software dev who can't find work?
I guess I don't know enough about linux or networking desu. I can use them but definitely not well enough to be considered higher than other candidates.

>>105766967
have you thought about getting into retail?

>>105767107
why should he?

i'm starting to realize that the "indian nepotism in tech hiring" thing doesnt apply if you're muslim
will changing my name to be more hindu sounding help me find a job?

>>105767238
It'll probably help you land interviews.
Some Polish dude in one of these threads talked about how his surname is 1 character away from a popular jeet surname and when he showed up for the interview they were visibly disappointed.

>>105767217
better to realise you're not getting a tech job sooner, rather than waste a year applying

>follow along with a 40 minute react tutorial
I know react now.

But seriously, I don't like the back and forth between types of braces, it's annoying as shit. Half of my bugs while following along were related to using { instead of (.

>>105767385
() is for params
{} is for objects
whats so confusing?

>>105767481
Every function ends with ]})} or some shit like that and that can be hard to read when you're half blind. And you forgot that {} is also for javascript code.
But, at least while learning it, you don't necessarily know what's an object instead of a param.

>>105767566
i forgot {} is also for jsx.
you should learn to code with plain js well enough before getting into react
use https://javascript.info/

>>105767598
Jsx is the html syntax not the inner javascript which the {} is surrounding.

I've learned a little bit of javascript, I'm not great though I usually use jeet languages. But react's nothing too complex, it's just nesting components. I really just needed to learn the general syntax, how it was laid out and how components were assigned to the screen. I'm used to dragging and dropping in winforms or writing it procedurally with something like XAML.

>>105760623 (OP)
I could max out these threads for the next month just posting "after careful consideration" emails

Another day

Why do HR karens post job ads like this?

>>105760623 (OP)
Reminder that it is entirely your fault for being unemployed and you are the only one to blame for not getting into tech. If you didn't even go to a top CS university, don't even bother, we need McDonald's and Taco Bell workers.

>been unemployed since I got laid off last September and my unemployment and severance are about to run out.
>I've currently got 2.5 yoe with python, spring boot, js / ts, react, and Azure experience.
>Rn, I'm learning angular because I see it being used in a lot of enterprise stacks.

I've started applying a couple of months ago and I'm getting nothing but rejection emails. How screwed am I? Should I just change careers?

>>105769193
just say you're non-white trans for the minority token job

>/twg/ unusable again
why is that general filled with such assholes?

>applied for over 200 jobs on indeed alone
>sent personalized cover letters with deliverables (something unique demonstrating my skill set)
>56% of the fuckers don't even open to view the application, not a rejection or anything
>apply directly to one of the local jobs in my area on their website
>interview this week

kek, such a waste of time. I've been doing less job search and more setting up a small business

>>105769341
Becoming jaded is part of the job.

>>105769492
it's not even jaded, it's being an actual asshole.

>>105769341
Maybe you should stop being stupid ? If you don't want peoples to make fun of you ?

>>105769193
whats the point of tracking applications? it takes a minute to apply for a job. you will know if you get accepted.

>>105769727
ebin reddit updoots on /r/jobs and /r/antiwork

Should I just vagrantmax

>>105769888
no. you will get arrested and executed by police.

>>105764617
>>What about forklifting? Surely you have 5 years experience in this specific model of forklift right?
I once saw a dockworker position that required "six years with Kubota"

>>105769952

>>105760623 (OP)
finally, the thread for me

>>105767820
I wish I could even get those emails, most of the damn time I just get ghosted

>>105769690
>stop being stupid ?
>peoples
pottery

>>105770613
post your tc ! and your hand !

>>105765306
It's over
Things have never been this bad it's the fucking apocalypse
It truly is the end we're all very fucked

>>105767820
How dare you enter our thread and brag about actually getting rejection emails

wait, you guys are getting rejection emails?

>>105767323
Chinese American here.

Wonder if in the future Chinese people will give their children names like "Rohan Li" or "Surya Wang" in order to qualify for Indian nepo

You know, same logic behind them making their kids play piano or join math teams

But then again with Trump in power and souring US-China relations, there might be fewer Asian parents out here in general

I'm 30 and never had a job with Bsc in EE, soon Msc from top 400 college

latest asinine coding assignment
>implement an LLVM-backed typescript compiler
>support at least x86_64 and Apple silicon.
>must be self-hosting

>>105771586
You're probably screwed unless you just decide to stick with academia.
Ageism is a real thing and even being in mid-20s with no work experience is a death sentence for a career. You'll have to spend a few years in help desk hell making no more than $60k before you're considered for junior programming/networking/sysadmin/cybersec jobs.

I just spent like 10 minutes lighting potato chips on fire on my stove. I should really get a job. Anyway I'm going to shower and head to Costco bros

I'm 34 and going back to school next year for a CS degree. I'm in it for the love of the game.

>>105771167
>2011+14
>Still believing myths
ISHYGDDT

>>105771167
Yes, typically 30 minutes after applying

Another week of zero replies. Been applying for 6 months now, only a couple of interviews.

>>105771997
>lighting potato chips on fire on my stove.
but why?

>>105772071
They taste absolutely delicious but they destroy my stomach, presumably because they're so oily, so I microwaved them to see if that would boil some oil out or whatever, and it sort of worked but not very well, so I kept microwaving them and they got burnt and I was like lol, and then I remembered how Cheetos are flammable and I was like I wonder if these are too, and they were, but not enough that the fire would spread to the rest of the chip unless the chip was vertical (so the flame would be hitting the rest of the chip) and all my tongs are rubber-tipped so I started stacking them to see if that would get it going and it sort of worked and uhh yeah

>>105772999
based scientician. a true explorer of life. wouldnt hire though, too much free will/ability for independent thought

>>105769446
>apply directly to one of the local jobs in my area on their website
It'd be nice to know how fewer applications there are when you're taken off-site, I know it adds obstacles but surely that isn't enough to reduce it by much in this climate.

>>105771940
If you can't land a junior role in the next few years you're fucked, LLMs will probably be able to replace juniors within 5 years.

Is going into networking viable? I hear it's one of the most jeeted fields but they'll always need people to plug cables into boxes and set up routers, right? Currently working on getting Network+ and Security+ certs to compliment my degree.

>>105771940
can't speak for him but i'd take helldesk at this point, even those jobs are getting harder to land because now you have to compete with over qualified layoff cattle and H-1Bs that will work themselves to death for remittance money. i've been seeing posts demanding fucking masters degrees for junior positions

Why is this thread so much better than /twg/?

>>105765239
it's only a labor shortage for cheap Indians.

>Be hiring manager
>Hop into thread
>See the replies

Lads, I got my job by lying my ass off on my resume. I researched the company and found out what systems they used, did a half hour youtube tutorial on all of them, threw them on my resume to make myself seem like the perfect candidate, got to the interview and did my best and got the job. No joke one of them was a PHP exercise and I didn't know it at all, but it was similar enough to XML/HTML that I just fucking guessed my way through it.

When I interview I'm not really looking for 10/10 1337 technicians, I'm looking for resourcefulness and drive because that's what actually matters in the job. If I were to hire someone who knew everything from day 1 that'd be like hiring some kind of unicorn. It's just not going to happen and every company is different.

Tailor your CV
Lie - We need X many of Y. Oh you have that. Of course you do. Believe me nobody has the time to call your past companies and check. I barely have time to shit most days. The hell am I calling your past companies and getting through the phone tree to whoever my contemporary is (who is probably also rushed off his ass and doesn't have time to answer stupid questions from non-affiliated companies) and ask them questions about you. HR won't either, they're too busy persecuting men who farted in the wrong direction or dealing with racism complaints because someone said they eat pussy a little too loudly and some old bitch decided they wanted to ruin someones career over it.
Research - what the company does, what services it provides, it's financial reports.
Put a fucking suit on for your interview video call - It shows you're serious and that you actually want the job.

Good luck gentlemen.

>>105773936
How do I lie about apps I’ve never made or published to the AppStore? How do I lie about having 2+ years professional experience working with litany of different frameworks and libraries?

>>105773959
>"Yeah I worked for "pick a company" for X years and we produced "Pick 1 app from their lineup". it uses "The shit they want" and I was part of that project team for "X years.

You'll fall flat on your face if you can't talk about the frameworks and libs, but it'll get you through the experience check.

>>105773936
Yeah that's great and all but how many dozens or hundreds of times will I have to do that? You can't be an expert in everything, especially not well enough to pass the interviews.

>didn't graduate recently (been neet for a while)
>see a company advertising for a graduate role, not explicitly asking for them but obviously looking for recent grads
>surely they have junior positions
>nope, all senior+ lol
>look further, there's a single "developer" position on their website, not advertised at all elsewhere
>needs 1-2 years commercial experience
Just kill me already.

>>105765239
There's a shortage for high level positions. It's mostly just entry level that's dead.

Every company's job openings page reads:
>senior
>senior
>senior
>senior
>senior
>lead
>lead
>lead
>manager
>manager
>manager

>>105773936
>Lads, I got my job by lying my ass off on my resume.
Every other person you speak to about job troubles will tell you this, and every last one thinks its some secret esoteric hack that's your key to the big leagues.

Hundreds of indians do this for every single opening. And you know what, now they don't believe the things that I actually have done.

>>105773959
Lying about your employment history when applying to a large organisation is pretty much impossible now since they are all hiring third-parties to investigate your background. Yet another nightmare hoop to jump through in the hiring process.

>>105774426
It doesn't help that most people have an aversion to lying.

>>105771940
>>105773632
I'm European so it's not like openings exist in the first place

>>105762849
Same here but I don't want to be a neet, I just can't find a job kek

>>105773936
Adding to this because I've been in an interviewing panel.
My boss is a real fucking stickler we're literally looking for unicorns the only reason we hired someone was because he had a close connection to a friend of my boss and he's willing to forego some of his communication issues (tendency to overexplain) otherwise he would've not gotten picked either.
If your interviewer is a woman or white, GL! I find they're the pickiest of the bunch.

>>105775161
OFFICIAL INTERVIEW RACISM POWER RANKINGS
>JEW INTERVIEWER
you only got the interview because he thinks you're "in on it". you're guaranteed to get the job if you dont spill your spaghoots. if it were a fake job or otherwise not the case that this is two old boys hanging out, he would have sent a goy to deal with you instead.
>NIGGER INTERVIEWER
tyrones and shaniquas are not attracted to hr and not normally let into hiring positions anyway. to be interviewing you they're probably a massive uncle tom and true believer in capitalism and the hiring process. your interview will go well if you are at least as competent as the baseline desired and, more importantly, truly believe in your saelf.
>CHINK INTERVIEWER
bred from birth to get where he is, he will tolerate nothing short of absolute perfection in anyone else, even if deep down he knows he's not perfect himself. likely to be fooled by unicorn resumes and bring you in for an interview in good initial faith, but will grill the fuck out of you and you will not survive. if you are genuinely 2000iq he won't care about your race but if given the chance between a 200iq white and a 197iq chink he will take the chink (but dream at night of personally executing every <193iq chink though)
>SLAV INTERVIEWER
similar to a nigger interviewer, but there will always be a pang of superiority within him, whether it is because he's a rich oligarch wannabe or someone who escaped an ex-soviet hell and overly proud of it. either way, he thinks he's better than you and will not be afraid to show it. will probably crush your hand during the greeting handshake.
>JEET INTERVIEWER
if you aren't a jeet yourself you ain't getting the job. and even if you are a jeet, if you aren't of the appropriate caste for the position relative to him in the org chart you're also SoL
>WH*TE INTERVIEWER
the job was fake. you're only there to be documented as failing the interview so he can just import more jeets (or slavs, if in yurop)

>>105775323
>if you aren't a jeet yourself you ain't getting the job
Extremely true. If you see the interviewer is a pajeet, you might aswell do a 360 degree turn and walk straight back out the door.

>>105775323
Meanwhile, if I ever enter a hiring manager position (lmao, more likely to become a brick layer)
>White or fuck off

>>105775513
esl jeet pretending to be wh*te... los creaturo de la merde...

>>105775540
You speak spic, there is a 100% chance you're browner than me.

>>105775323
Bullshit. Chinks are identical to jeets but also totally retarded and if you say basic tech things (that is far beyond them) you're automstically out.

There is no EI in cucknada
>get told I totally blew the kpi's out of the water and definitely getting a raise in a few months
>same review when the few months have passed but no raise. Ask for raise.
>fired on the spot without severance because lmao cucknada
>lease ends in 6 months, if I stop my diet of rice and beans and stop eating I can manage 4 months of rent
>sell everything I oen to make it 5, now sleeping on thr floor with only a phone for belongings
>even though I qualify for max gibs (80% of rent), get 0 for 3 months
>suddenly EI case is closed, no denial or explanation
>after 3h on a call they give no explanation, reopen the case
>close it again the next month
>do it sgain another month
>now bankrupt, owe 1 month of renr, forces out of the xountry to get a job because this is cucknada and jobs have never been a thing here
Cucknada owes me 20k and I won't ever see a dime from it in my lifetime. I paid several hundred k's in taxes like a good canacuck straight into the most corrupt politicians on earth's pockets.

On the plus side being forces to leave showed me that the world is 10000x better than the crabs in the bucket lied about, it's just cucknada that is a 4th world shithole with unironically lower qol than fucking brazil.
Starting my new job next month making 30% more than the highest pay I ever had in canuckistan. 100% white company, 1/4 the cost of life, and gibs thar actually work.

>>105773936
you can't lie through the coding round

>>105775658
>100% white company,
I thought poles weren't white

>send cold DMs
>they ask me to send my details
>send resume
>get ghosted
i just need better projects i think

>click apply on indeed
>it takes me to their website
>above the apply button on their website is an "apply through indeed" button
You're a cheeky cunt I'll give you that.

>>105775939
literally nobody even looks at projects, githibs, "portfolios", or anything like that.

>we have an offer for you
>but while it's being approved internally, please provide us with contact details of your managers at previous positions
huh?? I literally don't see any positives of doing what they want

>>105776541
They don't look at them but they do ask if they exist. If you say no, into /dev/null you go.

>>105774426
I got away with it to cover an employment gap on my resume by using a non-tech company that went bankrupt the year my fake employment with them ended. Even if they check something like The Work Number, there's no way of knowing if the data is simply missing or not as not every company, especially smaller ones, report to TWN.

>>105772034
Recently received a rejection email from a company I applied to over two years ago. Going to guess it was generated automatically when HR closed out the position, probably from it being eliminated rather than filled.

>>105777251
Yes, that is correct.

>>105776541
they definitely look at your projects if its a small startup and you're approaching the founder directly

>>105771331
>there might be fewer Asian parents out here in general
The flow of poo through the immigration pipeline will never slow.

>>105777330
>probably from it being eliminated rather than filled.
They ran out of money because they weren't doing work because they weren't hiring devs.

I did it, I applied to a factory.
Can't wait to be ghosted.

>>105777465
It was HCA Healthcare. Maybe the Medicaid stuff freaked them out. In general healthcare is one of the few sectors that has shown steady growth, including in employment. While I've never worked for a healthcare company directly, I did work on some projects for a consulting company and saw IT in heathcare is generally a huge, fucked up mess.

>>105777485
factories are usually desperate for workers, would be surprised if you didn't hear back

>>105777659
Well I say factory, it's a timber mill. Unironically looks like a good place for an aimless person to make a career.
I hope I can do the work if they hire me though, I need the money but I'm a typical computer nerd, the heaviest thing I've lifted is my dog.

>>105777748
i refuse to believe its this bad in the west

>>105777824
You have no idea.

>>105777306
When I was doing it, they wanted a contact from each of your former employers who could confirm your employment. If you couldn't provide them with a contact they could reach, they started digging deeper and asking for loads of stupid shit like tax returns, bank statements and Government forms.

>>105778734
They never asked me for any of that but yes, those would be more difficult to fake and wouldn't be worth the effort. Most companies aren't going to bother with anything that can't be done through automated means but once in a while you'll find one that's ambitious like the one you're talking about.
It's funny to note that Georgia Tech had a football coach who lied about having an advanced degree and no one caught it. Not HR at the university, not the sports writers covering the football program, not the producers of the games. Not even when he won 'National Coach of the Year'. He got away with it for decades until he left to coach at Notre Dame and the lies were unraveled.
>The biography, which had remained more or less unchanged for two decades, stated that O'Leary had earned three letters in football at the University of New Hampshire, but when The (Manchester) Union Leader called The University of New Hampshire to research a feature story on him, the school informed the paper he had not even played in one game.
>He then admitted that he had not earned a master's degree from "NYU-Stony Brook University": this was a non-existent institution named after two separate schools over 50 miles apart. He had taken only two courses at Stony Brook, and never graduated. When this inaccuracy came to light, Notre Dame promptly forced O'Leary to resign.

>>105771331
>Pajeet Chang

>>105775589
>chinks are identical to jeets
good morning saar

is it a good sign if the company I just finished interviewing at put a meeting in my calendar to "discuss the results of my interview"?

I can't imagine them scheduling a meeting just to say "sorry you failed" but at the same time, I don't want to get my hopes up prematurely...

Only think I can think of is that they'll go through the mistakes I made and explain why I failed, but I heard that most companies avoid doing that so they can't be sued for potential discrimination

>>105777404
absolutely not. I have 13 yoe and half of those were specifically in small startups.

>>105779039
Well they'd just email you if you failed.
I guess expect to negotiate salary. There is the remote possibility that they're psychopaths that want to explain to you in detail how terrible you are, but it's quite unlikely.

>>105777404
My GitHub has had like 3 views in 2 years of searching.
And probably these are all bots anyway

i can't get a job.
is neetism the final solution?

>>105778927
Whatever, chingchong.

>>105779121
>>105777748
>>105777824
I've been looking for a job for almost 5 months and need to find something part time to help cover bills. I tried applying to starbucks because I'm somewhat charismatic and really enjoy coffee. I've applied to 4 different locations now and basically been rejected by every single one of them.
>Apply to (x1 location), call them a few days later
>"Hey yeah so our manager is on vacation, call back next week"
>Call back, manager picks up
>"oh yeah we're not hiring right now, we'll be looking at that in two weeks or so. we'll keep your stuff on file but try applying to locations (x2, x3) in the meantime."
>mind you I applied online, they have job listings still today
>apply to x2,x3 (also online)
>call x2 and x3 (x3 doesn't even have a landline, can't call them) (x2 manager was also on vacation)
>x3 tells me in person they're not hiring right now (so why the fuck do you have a job ad online?)
>x2 also says the manager is on vacation, call back next week

>By this time it's been two weeks, call back x1
>"we're actually not hiring, sorry"
>call x2
>"yeah we're not hiring either, but I'll send your resume over to location x4 that's opening soon, they're hiring!"
>no response from x4
I'm going insane
I have a fucking bachelors in CS and I can't even get a job making lattes

>>105779302
>He hasn't accepted the memery of his degree

it seems like even if you luck into a tech job it's not gonna last long. it's probably better to start figuring out where to transition to next. whether its getting a law degree or going to medical school or figuring out if your apartment on the fourth floor is high enough

>>105779422
>Become a nurse
>Learn a trade
>Perpetual schooling
I'm tired bros

Maybe tiktok is showing me what steam games I'm playing because they want to disturb me enough to learn cybersecurity, seeing how they want so many hires in that field right now. Seems like an absolute grift that will pop in a few years

>>105779422
Physical therapy is guaranteed clients, everywhere I look is booked until August, overweight old people with fat stacks everywhere.

>>105779485
Hear lots of developers say they're going to get into accounting, which seems like it would lead to a glut of accountants, especially since the big firms are importing a bunch of them from the Philippines.

>>105777824
it's not but techbros are that big of larpers

>>105777824
It is, basically impossible to get a burger dlipper job right noe. Yes I tried. Thry have FUCKING AI interviews and psych evals with 3-5 phase interviews now. TO FUXKING FLIP BURGERS. And I can't pass them somehow.

I think I'm going to take a 20 dollar an hour full time job at t1 help desk while I finish school... I'm scared I'll go insane before I even graduate.

>>105779891
I also make 20 an hour but I already have the degree and 3yoe as a .net dev.
Who would have thought a stem degree/experience would be completely useless in the AGE OF SOFTWARE tm

WHAT DO YOU MEAN I AUTOMATED MYSELF OUT OF A JOB???

does linkedin not work without having connections on there? literally haven't got a single interview offer from linkedin

>>105779928
My 16 year old niece is making that much as a waitress at cracker barrel. I haven't even started the job and I want to kill myself. I don't think I'm gonna make it 1.5 years.

>>105761299
trades aren't much better, they're full of Mexicans working for dirt cheap + no WFH + physical labor(a good thing, when you're working for yourself)

>>105779975
Yes, they filter """fake accounts"""" via connection count, moreover linkedin itself has special prioritization algos based on connection count. First breakpoint is at 100 connections, then it's more or less linear until 500 in my experience.

>>105780118
fucks sake a year wasted on linkedin because i have no conections

Every day I dream of all the world's nukes being trained on India, carpet bombing it into a glassy smear and allowing the ensuing nuclear winter to offset the effects of global warming

>>105779877
>industry with high turnover and high competition has unreasonable interview process to filter people out
color me shocked

go apply to non-chain restaurants if you wanna flip burgers you retard, mcdonalds is for jeets and boomers

>>105781007
>yfw the falling ash of nuclear winter is literally full of shit

>>105781056
non-chains literally have no job postings

>>105781144
It's literally the one place where boomer advice works. You go in with a resume and a firm handshake, and they either go "No, we're fully staffed" or "Yes, Jones went to jail again so can you come in tomorrow"

>>105781190
Hasn't been like that for a few years. I don't live in the sticks so maybe it's different there, but here they just tell you to apply online.

>>105781500
>apply online
>at a mom n pop restaurant that doesn't even have a website
retard

>>105781557
Not sure if retarded or merely pretending.jpg

>>105769341
Anyone holding a tech job in 2025 is either a nepo hire or a corpo cocksucker of the highest caliber. Acting like a self-important faggot is second nature to those kind of people. I suspect there's a couple jew business owners in there as well.

>>105781905
anon Chili's is not "non-chain". I mean an actually independent small shop.

>>105761399
Congrats, anon!

Not sure if this is the right place but I'm a senior developer in my current remote job and I'm trying to get a second remote job to afford some extra bills but I can't pass technical interviews, it's so fucking weird... I've been hardly seeing simple exercises and I just don't get it... I think I'm just lucky in having my current job...

>>105782244
>Unemployable Tech Workers General
>I'm a senior developer in my current remote job
>Not sure if this is the right place
I'll give you three guesses

>>105782283
Sorry but I didn't know where to vent this... I'll leave now...

>>105781500
>be me several years ago
>unemployed and about to be homeless
>walking down the street and going into every single store to ask if they're hiring
>go into a local ice cream shop
>the only person there is the teenage girl staffing the counter
>ask her if they're hiring
>without looking up from her phone, she tells me they only take applications through their facebook page
>I don't have a facebook account and it's illegal in my state to not allow physical applications
>decide against mentioning any of this
>leave and strongly consider killing myself

>>105782331
It's okay most people here are unemployed only larping as unemployable

>>105782450
I think I was actually the first to put "Unemployable" in the subject field and did so as a joke ages ago; I wonder why it stuck suddenly.

>>105773616
Going into networking is nightmare mode IT. It's a dying field with automation and cloud shit. Crazy amounts of study for very little pay and it's probably one of the most stressful jobs there is. For the amount of effort you put in you may as well just go for broke and go software or cybersecurity. You're also expected to know networking, automation, cloud shit and security, basically becoming a jack of all trades. Plus AI is making gains in the field and entry level is basically non-existent.
>t. going into networking

guys can i hide in here from whatever the fuck is going on in twg

interview with the director of product tomorrow wish me luck

>>105782739
No.

>>105782896
Violence with this creature

>>105782971
:(

>unfortunately
kill all HR whores

>>105780118
are you fucking kidding

I'm so fuckign retarded bros. I got contacted for a job in pretty nice company and I timed out right before finishing the entry code challenge. I feel like a fucking moron

>>105783567
who cares, kys kike

>>105783567
i ran out of time and half assed one of the questions and still made it through to the next round wishing you the same luck

>>105782695
So on premises networking is dying?

You people need to follow brother Soham's advice

Cold email, cold DM. And, if you need to, Lie, Lie, Lie

shit the bed so hard on a phone screening that i gave the HR woman pinkeye. still beats a rejection email though

there are PAJEETS in this thread right now pretending to be normal people

>>105783783
everyone says this but retards don't understand that not every network object is some AWS cluster hosting your off-the-shelf e-commerce (((solution))). On prem networking is still a thing, the HR roasties have to connect to that cloud from their desk somehow. To say nothing of industrial environments, public-facing places with wifi, literally anywhere with a phone system, etc.

I HATE INDIA AND INDIANS

>>105784373
Hopefuel

>>105783991
i saw someone in my network move on from their company and i connected with a recruiter asking if they were open to roles in the future
i got in before they even put up the posting

>>105779422
Law has been overcrowded for decades now and law school is much more expensive and can take longer than STEM degrees. And if you're already in tech, chances are you're autistic and don't have the social skills to be a good lawyer.

>>105781007
If at least half of those nukes aren't directed to israel and NYC you aren't fixing shit.

>you WILL NOT be trained
>you WILL stay poor and gain no experience

Where can I do quick jobs like a few hours here and there or micro contracts? My OCD/autism prevents me from being employed in one place for too long I literally go nuts. Also I'm pretty fucking awkward around human beings.

>>105767598
Forget that, just download prettier and some kind of linter then use AI to fix your syntax if it comes up

If you tell me not to do this I’ll remind you you’re unemployed for a reason

you niggers have nothing better to do, come to #/utwg/ on irc.rizon.net

https://rizon.net/chat

youll get ops if your fast

>>105785170
As an employed person, do this

>>105785206
No Thank You

>>105785206
>irc in 2025

>>105782678
bexauae rhe market is so dead that anyone without a job rifht now is not getting hired dor a few years. Gaps are known to kill resumes thus you won't ever be hired again thus unemployable.
Other similar meme scenarios.
In short, because it is memeticallg true and thus funnt

>>105783641
bad larp is bad

>>105783991
peopppe have been soing that the last 2 years without success becahae everything is so flooded.

>>105784285
doubtful, they're all in /twg/. /utwg/ is white men only.

>>105784373
i.e. it doesn't exist. Thanks for confirming.

>>105761689
>kubernetes
Overengineered meme for most small companies. Basically the reification of the meme of solving non-existent scaling problems. If you actually *need* it, you'll know, but god save you if you work somewhere that *thinks* they need it but they don't.

>>105760790
You could start by messing with proxmox, and then follow anon's advice to mess with k8s. I'd start with simpler shit, like a NAS, game servers, experiment with virtual machines and different OS.

>>105785616
Probably good to be flexible with what you're willing to do. I'd take a pay cut to be a systems engineer and do the sort of shit I enjoy doing with bare metal/VMs vs put on the dev hat and sit in sprint meetings talking about business logic around how to more effectively bill customers and squeeze them.

>>105785808
People with 10 yoe are applying to junior jobs at mom and pops shops and getting rejected, retarded larper-kun.

>>105785640
anon asked about on-prem networking specifically, and it does still exist. You just have to look outside of dedicated ((("tech"))) companies to find it, because normal companies aren't all run by retarded techbros think "progress" means throwing out millions of dollars of equipment over a linkedin meme.

am I right in assuming that a golang dev/devops nigga would be a hundred times more employable and valuable than a linux sysadmin ((devops)) jeet?

>>105786109
I have 10 yoe, anon, and yeah, I know, shit's tough. That said, whole industry is going to take a pay haircut, whether you're a dev or SRE or whatever. I just say don't pigeonhole yourself.

>>105786464
That shit isn't mutually exclusive. You can know Linux and write code at the same time.

>>105786328
Non-techs are precisely the first to go cloud-only, especially az*re (by far the worst). Only shit like datacenter jobs at google where you actually manage the backend to all the cloudshit has networking. You would know if you had ever so much as looked for a job, let alonr have one.

>>105786495
>backpedaling
>doubling down at the same time
Take the L larpnigger

>>105786464
Obviously. Only one of these has job prospects. It's like comparing a fullstack dev to a fortran programmer.

>>105786526
I worked at a SaaS company that went from on-prem -> hybrid -> cloud over the course of several years. It's not fucking easy, depending on how much you have on-prem, and that's in Seattle where you can find technical talent. If you're some food service company with three thousand employees in buttfuck Michigan, and you already have a means to get your pig processing plant wired up to supply chain stuff, why are you going to shift that all to cloudops, anon?

>>105786534
I don't need to post my resumé, anon, I'm literally just saying you can't fixate on a single title or role. I held multiple at my job, so seethe in unemployment, fag.

>>105786578
I'm in /utwg/ because my next job starts next month.
You are in /utwg/ because you're 12.

We are not the same.

>>105786599
Oh my bad, this is for unemployed people. I'm just waiting to be laid off after private equity acquisition. Good luck at your next job, homie.

>>105786606
ywnbe (you will never be employed) dumb underageb& larptard

>>105786662
You're way too schizo anon, who the fuck would LARP about being employed (or unemployed?)

>>105786671
You apparently. Take your meds.

Got rejected from an entry level junior role, told me they went with someone with more experience

>>105786526
Again, not every piece of networking gear is a server, nor is every server something that HAS to be on the wider internet.
You're like one of those people who has a meltdown upon seeing a desk phone because OMG WHY WOULDNT YOU JUST USE A APP ON UR GALAXY S80??

Since everyone got laid off, how profitable would it be to start a "software company", with myself as the sole employee, then outsource all the actual work to Fiverr?

>>105787012
Go larp elsewhere where people are tech illoterate and never worked in their life if you want people to fall for it.

>>105787101
Not profitable because directly outsourcing to indian farms is cheaper, has less overhead, is the same wuality you're planning to get, and everyone is doing just that.

>>105787012
>desk phone
Do euroshits fucking really?

>>105787141
Nope

>>105787101
name even one person that has bought software in the past 10 years

>>105787012
>desk phone
What is that? Like a MS Surface Table but you get texts on it or something?

>>105760623 (OP)
jeet reply

>>105765306
>year break
lifetime break.

>>105787012
put BULLETS in your HEAD until you are DEAD

>>105760857
sell your services. make products people want to buy

I'm only a retard with 2.5 years of experience but a recruiter got me an interview with a for a senior role with 5 years of experience, I took a lot at the job spec and I only meet 2-3 out of the 6 listed requirements. Even stranger is that I looked at the company's website and they have zero job listings atm

I'm not really sure what to expect desu, I'm considering lying through my teeth in the initial screening interview and then trying to cram study every topic that might come up on the technical interview
But I'm beginning to wonder if someone unexpectedly quit recently and they're just looking to hire a few code monkeys to fill out the ranks, without caring about the exact seniority, oh well, I'm probably overthinking this

>>105787217
>just start a business bro
If it was that easy, everyone would be a millionaire entrepreneur.

>>105787244
not saying its easy, saying that if you dont have a job, praying for one isnt going to get you one. i left this path for a reason. im slowly making my project with waging and spare time. it hasnt gone well at all. but its a goal thats attainable, these threads are no different than /biz/ generals of faggots hoping to win the lottery.

>>105787234
it's their market, so dont show too much weakness, but honestly its hard to give anyone meaningful recruitment advice until they step foot into the room and see whos face is looking back at you.

>>105787283
I strongly agree with this message but articulate it better next time, because like the other anon implied, it's boomer-tier firm.handshake advice otherwise.
Sadly quite a lot of jurisdictions make stsrting a company very hard (many say you cam't work and create a company, some deny unemployment if you create a company even if you don't make a dime, a few take months and a large deposit just to register the company, etc.)
But it's always worth making a serious attempt especially right now.

>>105784939
Dumb hr pajeet forgot to do the multi-word selection on the template

I just bombed another interview by speaking incoherent fractured chains of thought

QA automation engineer here, almost 1 year since I joined my "new" job. Ask me anything

>>105787509
main language for automation, bash ansible or something else?
which type of soft skills would you say are most important for your job?

>>105787501
I bombed an interview where I completely lost my train of thought and didn't know the meaning of some terms but still ended up getting the job. Meanwhile I've been ghosted after interviews I thought I performed well in.

>>105787530
damn, shit really is crazy now

>>105787520
>main language for automation
Depends on what you want to automate, I work as QA so I develop test automation and the language depends on the company, right now I'm working with Java but in my previous job I used Ruby.
>which type of soft skills would you say are most important for your job?
The attention to detail for sure, specially useful when it comes to finding bugs

>>105787530
I was passed over in interviews where the feedback to the recruiter was that I was too knowledgeable about the job.

>>105787552
nice thanks
those are both real languages desu, certainly not some python dotnet gay ass shit

>>105787509
How did you find the time machine to go back in time and find this steam engineering job?

is there a way to weed out developer or admin jobs during interviews that they force you to do the business requirements, lead the meeting with the stakeholders, testing and pretty much everything under the kitchen sink.

>>105787570
I've been doing the same since 2017 now. Dunno if that counts

>>105787605
Don't apply at small companies. You're gonna need to do any or all of those if it's a small team.

>>105787636
ironically the last time I had this bullshit was a big company. it is actually a clusterfuck.

>>105786606
>Unemployed
It's actually for unemployable people

>>105787613
QA stopped being a thing in 2010 or so, I could see mom and pop shops having them until 2015 at best but those places rarely do testing at all.

>>105787636
big companies are even worse on that

>>105787711
>QA stopped being a thing in 2010
The big company I work for says otherwise

>>105787711
I've seen a few test analyst listings over here in aus, no idea if there's any job behind them though.

>>105787733
Big companies were the first to remove these roles and the reason everyone followed suite.
Maybe your company is big in india or something, pajeet.

>>105787740
Whatever you say bro, keep crying while I get my money

>>105787744
Thanks for confirming you shit in dedicated streets.
I earn more in a day than you do in a month.

I have a €100k remote job in EU that where I mostly sit on my ass and play vidya.

AMA you niggers.

>>105787955
I've been in this industry for 3 years now and I've read countless people blogposting about these kinds of jobs, and yet every job I've ever worked has demanded unpaid overtime and forced me into the office
Do you work a giant conglomerate or something? All my friends in those are overworked too...

>Cisco NetAcad
>have to find an """instructor""" to do any of the useful courses
>just translates to having to pay a community college and have it take forever
Why?
Fucking why?

>>105788024
I work for one of those mid-sized companies that advertise themselves as a startup but they're actually corporations. Big enough to allow me to disappear between the cracks, not big enough to have a system to detect this.

I think the key to find such a job is just to be lucky.

>>105788024
He's lying you dip
Nobody's getting 100k€ a year tech jobs lmao
Tech jobs in Europe pay dogshit

>>105787955
Same. High five!
>>105788024
For me it's a 50-man startup.

>>105788116
cope and seethe amerilard

>>105769341
I've avoided that shit for months, I'm surprised they even still have people to post in that general. They don't even talk about anything interesting, just being assholes and saying "GEE IM GLAD I HAVE A JOB"

>>105788205
acshully they are crying about being overworked, scared shitless (bad pun in these circumstances) of losing the job, not being able to find an offer elsewhere, and planning to become plumbers.

>>105788232
shit anon is the hero that general needs

My unemployability is putting me behind schedule in my plan to footfuck Olivia Rodrigo

>haven't been applying that long but there's been a consistent number of jobs in my normal search query (as in jobs total not jobs today), it's barely budged in 1-2 months
>log in
>there's nearly half as many (360~ -> 200)
Oh lawdy.

has anyone tried begging their old employer to take them back?

I can't use twg so I'm just going to vent here
>company server is imploding and I actually need to get things done
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>105789345
>old employer
Haha yeah, I was also employed once fellow /utwg/ hopefuls. Yep, who would be crazy enough to bash their head into the wall of entry level work in this climate haha.

>>105789345
Nah, I would never do that. My old employer pretty much told me to fuck off and that if there were any projects that required my skill set they would contact me (lol)

>>105789382
How do you come here and complain about inane shit like this while men are suffering fates such as >>105789198

>>105789345
old employer wiped the entire (white) tech team claiming a pivot then turned around and immediately rehired (exclusively pajeets)

>>105789418
unemployed or employed I'll never footfuck olivia rodrigo so he sounds like he has it better than me

>>105789425
My old employer was buying up companies like crazy. About this time last year they bought one that had a fully outsourced to India IT department. A couple months later they laid me and another internal IT/sysadmin/devops teammate off. Been job hunting since beginning of the year. I get responses and interviews but nothing clicks. Currently waiting to hear back from one I did the technical interview with last week and am slightly hopeful but shit sucks.

>entry level job I haven't seen pops up, it's 14 days old
>the guy they wanted obviously fell through (it's a small company so the pay's probably ass)
How can I stop myself from getting my hopes up every time this happens?

>>105789529
Got the job offer. Boys we gonna make it.

>>105790147
Congratulations. Now you have to lurk the shit thread, but at least you're being paid.

>>105789529
what role? what did they ask in the technical interview?

>>105760623 (OP)
Does fiverr or does consulting freelance websites actually work? Need extra money while at school but I don't want to compete with those tryhards that ONLY work in freelancing and minmax their curriculum with lies and courses to get the most paying places. Can the average non neet loser get a job there?

>>105790252
Useless. You need connections to get gigs nowadays.

>>105786526
>Only shit like datacenter jobs at google where you actually manage the backend to all the cloudshit has networking.
Definitely not true, but they are starting to become sparse and require crazy amounts of knowledge. It's more like networking is becoming part of devops and sysadmin duties and more of a generalist role. There are still dedicated network fags in large companies with on prem shit, and there has been a recent rebalancing back towards on prem because cloud didn't quite deliver what was promised. But it's still losing more jobs than being created (just look at the labor stats) and the barrier to entry is fucking massive unless you get lucky. Nobody is letting a newfag touch anything so how are you supposed to get experience? I actually think it's going to be a very valuable skill in the future as all of the oldfags start retiring and dying off without any protoges that know networking/cloud/security/automation which is what it takes now.

>>105790252
nope

>>105790270
>>105790505
So how do I make sidemoney nowadays? Do I need to get a forklift license and work a summer job at the amazon warehouse if i want money ? why did i study this piece of shit fake career if i can't get a job?

>>105790640
make a business and see what people need. And maybe have it line up with your skills, or develop said skills. The world is your oyster

>>105790658
I'm talkig about money for a summer job, I'm not gonna make a business and sell it in three months. Besides if the world is my oyster why is everyone of my peers just making ai wrappers as their "business" seems like theres not a lot of need for developpers

>>105790692
no one said anything about selling it. you can literally just do stuff like repair/ build computers if you want. why do you young faggots not have a single independent hustle bone in your bodies? I swear if the state didnt exist, most of you would starve or die.

>>105790714
>firm handshake boomer at it again
Day of the pillow soon

>>105790753
Im not even boomer. Im probably not even much older than you. I dont understand how a lot of you will whine and complain without even having the brainpower to go

>okay, I want to make money, how do I do it

And your thought is

>duuuurrr I dont know, tell me internet!

>>105790714
wtf i love the state, if i could just go to some office that gave me a job instead of letting the market decide for me i'd be much happier

>>105790769
then wait for a dictator to rise. he'll give you a job

>>105790765
Clinically retarded or terminally boomer?

>>105790781
you're just retarded in general. go fuck yourself. maybe someone on onlyfans will pay for it and you'll have that summer money then

>>105790765
yeah, i don't have a single money loving bone in my body, i just need money because theres no other alternative but if i could i'd live without it, so if im forced to it theres no reason not to ask others how to do it especially others in my same cirumnstances

>>105790792
Thanks for your decisive answer. Better luck in your next life.

>>105790798
you make a good point that you cant live without it. but guess what. you make money cause you dont grow your own food nor upkeep your own place of living. however I wont lie that it was made that way to force people to keep working. want clean water? Want a place to stay? You have to work. And if you dont, the state will do everything possible to make your life as miserable as possible. Homesteading laws is one of those. It sucks.

>>105790826
Meds. Now.

I haven't done anything worthwhile since I got laid of a month ago. I was hoping to learn a lot of stuff and build some projects but I've just been dizzy the whole time. Only got one interview which I bombed.

Reminder that it is entirely your fault and your fault alone that you are unemployed and undesirable.

>>105760623 (OP)
How are any of you 'unemployable' if even one literal jeet has managed to be hired in several tech places at once?

>>105791127
I'm employed and also non white.

>>105791136
since around 2023 every tech company has been doing mass layoffs of whites monthly and mass rehiring of jeets (h1b's, offshoring, or otherwise).
If you're jeet or to a lesser extent chink, you're fine. Otherwise forget about it.

Reminder that you are unemployed because a pajeet can do it better for cheaper.

>>105791125
You're just a lazy undisciplined retard.

Will the big beautiful bill fix the tech job market?

I am Filipino-American and I can't even get a job because I get pushed into the Asian subgroup.

>>105791333
Trump and his friends depend on indian slave labour so no

>>105791346
konnichiwa dude

Reminder that I will hire an Indian over a 4chan user.

>>105791346
Your problem is not being asian, it's not being chinese.

>>105791380
Doesn't this guy famously use pajeet labor for his company?

>>105791402
Yes, and? It's not about a good product, it's about making a gallilion dollars

>>105791248
they cant do it better, thats the problem. they do it worse for cheaper.

>job offers you a choice
>you get paid per project success
vs
>you get paid by hour and have to have minimum of 40 hr/w

>>105791402
Basically every AI company does
One even was literal hundreds of pajeets pretending to be AI

>>105791136
I require a salary

Why dont you guys just create apps on iStore/AppStores for cash flow?

>>105791508
Apple users are the best cash cows, do I need to learn swift to make something good?

>>105791462
Base salary (just enough to survive) + 2% commission as is normal in other positions like sales engineering or fintech would be awesome.

>>105791447
Coping
>>105791508
You're assuming any of these faggots can actually code

>>105791508
hasn't made any money since 2010. High startup cosrs xompared to other platforms as well.

>>105791554
>>105791554
>>105791554
Migrate

>>105791248
Cheaper, not better. And that's all they care about.

>>105787244
Everyone is though. You're the only one left out. >>105625724
We’ve all lived the nightmare. A new developer shows up at work, and you try to be welcoming, but he can’t seem to get up to speed; the questions he asks reveal basic ignorance; and his work, when it finally emerges, is so kludgey that it ultimately must be rewritten from scratch by more competent people. And yet his interviewers—and/or the HR department, if your company has been infested by that bureaucratic parasite—swear that they only hire above-average/A-level/top-1% people.

It’s a big problem, especially now. There’s a boom on. I get harassing emails from recruiters every day. Everyone’s desperate to hire developers…but developers are not fungible. A great coder can easily be 50 times more productive than a mediocre one, while bad ones ultimately have negative productivity. Hiring one is a terrible mistake for any organization; for a startup, it can be a catastrophic company-killer. So how can it happen so often?

Like many of the hangovers that haunt modern software engineering, this is ultimately mostly Microsoft’s fault. Back when they were the evil empire where everyone secretly wanted to work, they were famous for their “brain-teaser” interview questions – Why are manhole covers round? – and, of course, they asked new university graduates about computer science theory; “Write me a binary search.”

Let me offer a humble proposal: don’t interview anyone who hasn’t accomplished anything. Ever. Certificates and degrees are not accomplishments; I mean real-world projects with real-world users. There is no excuse for software developers who don’t have a site, app, or service they can point to and say, “I did this, all by myself!” in a world where Google App Engine and Amazon Web Services have free service tiers, and it costs all of $25 to register as an Android developer and publish an app on the Android Market.

>>105772024
>2011+14
what the FUCK