Thread 105763221

Now that you've read the bait subject, how come there are no low-end Windows ARM laptops? ARM Chromebooks are super cheap and are manufactured by everyone, yet few brands offer Windows on ARM and they're all higher-end machines. I truly cannot understand why ARM hasn't taken over laptops yet given you can get 14+ hours of battery life.

Because it's ARM. It's the exact antithesis of Windows, where stability, backward compatibility etc. are paramount.
It's like licensing iOS to a range of kids' toy telephones with googly-eyes on the front.

>>105763238
this

macs have:
>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 years
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs

And so on and so on.

>>105763221 (OP)
Read the reviews of any ARM laptop, or any non-Windows laptop for that matter, and see all the 1 star ratings from retards who thought their programs would all work. Now imagine how much worse WoA's reputation would be if the x86 emulator were used on low-end devices.

>>105763238
>windows
>stable
kek

>>105763257
>>105763238
go
back
retarded
newfag

>>105763221 (OP)
microsoft needs to figure out x86_64 driver emulation without drivers it's useless. you cannot use printers because 99% of them don't have aarch64 drivers.

>>105764665
More stable than Linux at least

Tor browser still doesn't have an ARM build.

>>105764938
they made arm version for macOS

>>105763480
>Now imagine how much worse WoA's reputation would be if the x86 emulator were used on low-end devices.
>600 bucks mac mini emulates x86 with no issues
how much of a low-end are we talking here? ofc not talking about gayman shit to run on cheap arm-books, but when it comes to software - it is only a matter of microsoft actually giving a shit about writing a proper translation layer

>>105765328
Apple silicon has special hardware features to accelerate x86 emulation.

>>105765380
well, what stops microsoft from doing same thing with windows arm-laptop chips? it's not like they have less money or resources. it is just a matter of microsoft being lazy fucks with arm adoption

>>105764938
Because Apple forced them too by threatening to cut off Rosetta.

>>105765380
and it still fails.

>>105765328
A new low-end windows laptop (A Celeron + 4GB of RAM with Windows 11) can be had for $179 at Walmart. That's the sort of price point you're competing with.
(I used one with Windows 10 for a while and it was much more tolerable than you'd think, but 11 must be a total nightmare. They used to sell the lowest end Windows 10 models with 2GB of RAM, which is also a bad joke.)

>>105765412
it doesn't

>>105765399
They didn't threaten it, they are cutting it off.

>>105764692
iTODDLER BTFO

>>105763221 (OP)

You couldn't run office and you can't run all your favorite legacy windows programs from the past 20 years on ARM. This is entirely incompatible with with low short term cost, keep slapping bandages on it, business IT departments.

If you are forced off your existing windows programs and infrastructure, then windows has nothing to offer.

Like it or not windows is a stagnant OS, that is locked to a stagnant architecture (x86). Neither is going away anytime soon, but there is no denying they are on a very slow decline.

>>105763221 (OP)
In a few years when Risc-V is standard we'll have "Why did ARM fail?"

>>105763221 (OP)
As per the cost, isnt the liscence like 100€? This alone does propably bar it from being in cheap arm laptops

>>105763221 (OP)
Windows on Arm works fine now and is only improving.
Microsoft and laptop manufacturers just rushed out Windows on Arm to compete with Apple. In it's original state on release, it was pretty bad, but I have not run into any ARM specific issues these days.

>>105766606
RISC-V is terrible and its really only open source lintroons and jeff geerling autists sucking it off and worshipping it. we will never see a RISC-V CPU being used in place of ARM or x86 in a common computing device (such as a desktop PC, laptop or smartphone). There are other use cases for RISC-V, but being a general purpose CPU is not one of them.

>>105766893
You're both wrong and a nigger. China is picking Risc-V up as it's standard.

>>105763238
But iOS is for iToddlers.