Kraut/eurobros, I don't feel well...
https://blog.google/around-the-globe/google-europe/we-are-announcing-sparkasse-as-our-first-national-credential-partner-for-eu-age-assurance/

>>105766670 (OP)
>its germans helping with building digital concentration camp
why am i not surprised

>>105766670 (OP)
I would laugh at europoors but I know this is just the first step before this starts to pick up traction everywhere. and normies only use like a dozen websites so wide acceptance is guaranteed if those sites buy in, which they eventually will
this kind of shit terrifies me more than anything

if they'll allow anonymised 'proof of age' proxy services I'll believe it
if not it's just the mass surveilance chicom scheme everyone has been calling out it'll be

>>105766670 (OP)
save up everything you want now before it's all locked away

>>105766670 (OP)
>has long frustrated parents and companies
No. The only thing it frustrates is power-hungry motherfuckers like the ones behind the GLOBAL push for this bullshit.

>>105766891
>"frustrated parents"
they voted for giving little timmy unsupervised access to hell why are they complaining

>>105766670 (OP)
Just don't use google wallet. Sparkasse still is fine but if you want to avoid banking altogether use XMR and cash. Glad I could be of help.

>>105766670 (OP)
Every single device that connects to the internet has parental controls. Every single ISP offers parental control settings. Not one of these evil shitheads advocating this shit ever mentions the parents responsibility to use the controls. It's never really been about kids.

>>105766891
This helps to protect our community™

>>105767259
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>>105767175
Not sure if you are aware, but Google wallet is becoming actually the ageverification app of the EU https://www.theverge.com/news/676929/the-eu-age-verification-app-will-launch-in-july

>>105767289
What if you haven an iphone?

>>105767289
>https://www.theverge.com/news/676929/the-eu-age-verification-app-will-launch-in-july
All I see is there is some app and that it be a temporary solution. Nothing about google wallet as 'The app'.

>>105767423
Google wallet IS the temporary solution. They don't say it explicitly, but it looks to be this way.

Why do I believe this? Because a few weeks ago the EU anounced to launch a age verificiation app in JULY. Today, 1. July, Google drops this blogspot about their wallet and its function for age verification.

>>105767480
>Because a few weeks ago the EU anounced to launch a age verificiation app in JULY.
I get your point but let's be honest, the EU and especially modern Germany normally never are on time when it comes to having technology.

>>105766670 (OP)
You should read Assange on Schmidt.
How many of these CEOs and organisations are cucked by pizzagate style CIA hazing at this stage?

>>105766670 (OP)
Simply stopping to use the internet becomes more and more tempting by the day.

>>105766670 (OP)
Looks like it's time to finally get a VPN. I hate this piece of shit continent.

>>105766670 (OP)
I voted AfD because of this kind of shit, and I'll absolutely vote them again because of this kind of shit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

>>105767807
Is what they want.
That way you are force through their gates.
It's just leverage and power to them.

>>105767852
>until it fucks your economy up

Why do you think the internet wasn't like this from the start?

>>105767480
I read that blog post. It appeared to describe a solution where the website doesn't get any information about you and the verification service provider doesn't know what you visited, not a "digital ID" system. They were developing a reference implementation of that spec independent of google. However they did mention that anyone could follow the spec and become an age verification service provider and I guess google is deciding to do just that and are abusing their power as a browser and OS vendor to try to make Google Wallet the default for most people.

>>105767863
Oh I hope the AfD does fuck the economy up, because that's the only thing that motivates the other parties to stop passing these kind of shit laws.
I'm convinced most people who vote the AfD simply do so because they're unhappy with daddy government's decisions. If you don't want the AfD to fuck everything up, pray that the other parties wake up soon and stop passing shitty laws like this all the time.

Germany should be carpet bombed every 10 years

>>105767852
AfD wants the same thing just to track migrants instead of kids.

>>105767923
>Oh I hope the AfD does fuck the economy up
Considering their love for Israel, I doubt that they would dare

>>105767846
you better think of the children before you buy that vpn bud

>>105767957
Not my problem, I'll never have children of my own because women are insufferable cunts

>>105767852
>I voted AfD because of this kind of shit

You actually believe, that voting will change anything? If Afd would come to power some day, you think they would undo this?

It doesn't matter who is on top. The princple of power is simple and eternal: Do everything to maximize your power.

I mean the PLAN is to have a service that can give out oauth-like tokens that verify your age with third party services without giving up or sharing any other information. The problem with this is that extending this to also requiring that you share your identity is a couple of lines of config away.
So in practice it's going to turn into a horrific police state nightmare where you have to both register your age and identity with sites before you're allowed access.

>>105767846
Better buy a VPN now before you need to verify your identity to VPN services. That's coming by the way.

I'm just gonna go outside. Humans lived 10k years without internet and they managed just fine. There's nothing on the internet anymore anyway. Just download all your music, movies and bido gaems and I can stop using it right now. Maybe books too, just in case if they start burning them.

>>105767904
I don't know how that would work without someone taking advantage of it, if you want to verify that the request isn't being spoofed.
I think you could implement the system thusly:
>Hey, verifier, I'd like to prove my maturity to something, give code
>Hey, website, I just asked the verifier, and they gave me this code; let me in please
But to prevent spoofing, you'd need every verification to be unique, down to the user. That would give websites information about who you are that they can sell to advertisers, no? If not the sites, then the verification system could probably sell the times you're asking for a code to advertisers instead. Combined with other information, you can get really precise as to who is doing what.
Maybe the EU has thought about it. I mean, they're so zealous about user data privacy that they apparently sued a part of THEMSELVES over it. But this feels like a gold mine for any advertisers who can unlock its secrets, and I don't know if it's airtight enough on the website side.

This is to say nothing of the user side. How the hell are they going to prove that little Timmy isn't browsing porno with Dad's credentials in a way that preserves privacy for both adults and children? Face cams in everything and ID smart cards seem like too much of a hassle.

>>105767975
See >>105767923
Those currently in power don't want to lose their power, and they also fucking hate the AfD. If they don't want to lose their power to the AfD, then they better start changing their ways soon and get on the GOOD side of the people.
Passing shitty surveillance laws is NOT how you get on the good side of people, we are fed up with all this crap, and that's why the AfD is growing so much. I'm predicting in a few years they'll be the first single-ruling party in Germany's history.
I'd rather threaten to burn it all down and actually go through with it, than keep playing this stupid game.

>>105768054
>we are fed up with all this crap
Oh no, how scawwy. Europeon is angwy at his government. Kek, vote harder faggot.

>>105766670 (OP)
Why did they have to call it that.

>>105768064
As I said, I already have, and will continue to do so until things change or they burn down.

>>105768068
Sparkasse is an existing German banking company. It's made of the words Spar (saving) and Kasse (register).

>>105768029
this, the moves for more censorship and control all unilateral, both wokes and rightoids want the mass surveillance of good thoughts and morals, each on their own side.
Social score China style is the next step after this

>>105767289
We're in hell

>>105768091
You know there's no such a thing as social score in China, right? It's literally mutt propaganda.

>>105768091
Generally correct, but if you check the bill passing results, their rightoid party is the only one who consistently votes in favor of cryptocurrency, cash, and online privacy. Surprising but true.

>>105767275
>>105767259
Something's Going on Here: We've detected something out of the ordinary going on. To continue using our services, we will need you to confirm your digital identity.

>>105767259
I'm so sick of seeing it

>>105768087
Nice Sparkasse you Germans have going on

>>105768054
Again: Nothing will change and it doesn't matter who is in power. Take a look on the world. The US and China are both techno-totalitarian. How should the EU/Germany compete with such states? Impossible. It doesn't matter who rules our country. What matters is the global system and its superpowers. Their behaviour dictates our future.

>>105768159
If nothing will change then why are you so bent on trying to not make me vote for them? We'll continue voting and then we'll see what happens :^)

>>105768180
I don't care which party you vote, because I don't believe in voting. I don't care about the greens, afd, bsw, cdu, spd, fdp, die linke. They are all the same. This is why I don't vote at all.

>>105768216
It costs nothing to try, but if you don't try at all then you're guaranteed to change nothing.
So the best thing you can come up with is to just give up? What do you get out of that?

>>105768251
It doesn't matter what you do. The outcome is always the same. History has proven it again and again and again. The strong crush the weak. This is the eternal principle. This is why it is pointless to engage in politics.

>>105768291
Europeans aren't smart enough for logic

>>105766670 (OP)
>zero knowledge proof
>can rape bots into oblivion
>can't track you
>kids no longer exposed to harmful internet
I fail to see why a nationa/sovranational, decentralized, audited, zero knowledge proof credential system would be a bad thing.
No minors on fucking social networks and porn/harmful websites. They will have to fight and sweat for that glimpse of digital pussy same way we had to before the internet, smuggling porn magazines.
They will not be allowed on that cancer that is social networks (may untreatable, painful cancer kill zucc right now) until 18. You still won't be tracked. It can be done. I fail to see why this is bad. Slippery slope?

>>105767852
Look at this absolute subhuman. Populist vote should be ground for immediate termination. No matter how bad the other parties are.

>>105768323
Because all governments ever can require any company to break the law for them, if it's in the interest of the state.
They say it's so secure, but it never is.

>>105768342
Funny how the first definition of the word says it's just used by bad arguers

>>105768129
Not having this problem on invidious, even with german front ends.

>>105768344
It still sounds way more secure than leaving such matters in the hand of this and that corporation.
I'd rather put my trust in one single entity which at the very least on paper is supposed to protect me and work in my interest, than in multiple entities whose sole purpose is attempting to own and monetize my very soul and my every drop of blood.
If the State fails to protect me, it will be a failure. Companies are made to fuck me over by design.
In the end, literally any tech can be hacked, every system can fail, every shield can be penetrated. But this is true for State tech and corpo tech. Again, I'd rather trust a democratic, liberal State with my data than a random corpo.

>EU is a China tier hellhole

at least in China they dont have brown people, i want to move there

>>105766670 (OP)
Let's not collaborate! Easy! I'm not German btw.

>>105768406
Correct, but not requiring age (identity) verification at all would be the best option, and we already had it.

>>105768366
If you think I'm going to spend one single word arguing with you about the political -or even just human- legitimacy of this subhuman piece of shit rather than just attempting to slash his throat open at the first chance, not only you're sorely wrong, you're also completely oblivious to reality.
But sure, nice quote, you sure owned me.

>>105768424
>Not allowing kids to watch porn is the same as not being allowed to buy train tickets because I don't agree with my country's new fiscal policy

>>105768481
If you genuinely think it's for stopping kids from watching porn then you're retarded

>>105768481
say heil hitler on twitter and see how many cops show up at your house nigger

are you pretending that the EU is different than China

>>105768462
I'd argue the best option would be to have a digital identity pivoting on blockchain and zero proof knowledge and have companies request decentralized state-level servers to verify ONLY identity information relevant to said company/website.
I want big data economy to fucking die. I'd rather pay a kikebook monthly subscription than give them my data.

>>105768406
That's the dumbest crap I've read today. You trust the guys who can arrest you and will do it just to get a higher number of arrests. Good idea.

>>105768490
That's the one thing where we currently age restrictions enforced. The jewish companies pushing porn onto everybody but especially kids are not European, so we got no reason to tolerate them

>>105768500
Did so in the past, nothing happened. No try posting about Winnie the Pooh, chang.

>>105768508
I'd agree with that, at least a blockchain can't be backdoored by 3 letter agencies telling companies to snitch on all their users.
Which makes you wonder, why didn't they implement it like this in the first place?

>>105768481
That's the excuse for karens and simps to approve. Too bad for everyone else it's not a good enough excuse.

>>105768048
>you'd need every verification to be unique, down to the user
Well yeah. The code the verification provider provides would include browser session information and the IP address the request was sent from, identifying the computer to a degree that all websites do, but not the user.

I wish the responsibility of age verification fell on your ISP more than big tech acting as third parties anyway since they know who pays the bills and if it's cellular they can know well enough whose phone is the kid's from the modem's information.
Yes, children would be able to log in with dad's credentials. I mean I wish this whole system was unnecessary but most people don't know what a DNS does or why you'd want one in your home or how to stop a cell phone from connecting to porn sites, and not even I know how to stop a determined kid from finding porn on facebook. But at least we should be giving parents some credit and expect them to keep a freaking password safe or use 2fa, and blame them and not the website when they don't.

I mean. This isn't going to just be for porn, any website that's required to be adults only or wants to be adults only will use it, like gun parts vendors.

>>105768481
Parents should do that, not the government you dumb fucking retard

>>105768529
>at least a blockchain can't be backdoored by 3 letter agencies telling companies to snitch on all their users.
That depends on the mechanism. Technically you could have a 51% attack. It would be easier to compromise the programs interacting with the blockchain or the non-trustless infrastructure.
>Which makes you wonder, why didn't they implement it like this in the first place?
Hard

>>105766728
All they need to add is another more annoying option to identify, mailing your drivers license for verification or some shit.
Then normies will line up to defend the digital identification because the alternative is way worse. Never questioning why any of it exists in the first place.

>>105768323
> I'm a karen and a simp
Ok karen simp. What's in it for me?

>>105768555
So why are some US states currently pushing for the same? Why did porn companies cry it out if they apparently did not notice any drawbacks?

>>105768560
Parents should do that but governments need to establish safety nets. You should test on your own whether your food is poisoned but there's no reason to be against food safety laws.

>CAPTCHA: XAG0Y
Even my captcha is laughing at you

>abortions legal in all of gayrope
>anti-family policies to make sure humans stop breeding
>
>government suddenly cares about kids watching porn and tries to create digital IDs to le protect them

You are all retarded niggers. This has nothing to do with porn, your government just fucking hates you and wants to inconvenience you in every way possible.

>>105768593
>This has nothing to do with porn, your government just fucking hates you and wants to inconvenience you in every way possible.
Oh no, I can't use the AI-infested internet! How will I consooooooom my hedonistic slop?

>>105768586
> So why are some US states currently pushing for the same?
Because they're either optimistic idiots or have second intentions. Maybe both.

> Why did porn companies cry it out if they apparently did not notice any drawbacks?
I don't even get what you're on about with this question. What do you expect me to answer here? It's loaded and poorly written.

>>105768618

>>105768620
>Because they're either optimistic idiots or have second intentions.
But I thought our govt overlords wanted to control us just for fun?
>What do you expect me to answer here?
To tell me why porn companies are seemingly negatively affected by not being allowed to show porn to minors

>>105768733
So your whole logic is that the government is legitimately concerned about kids watching porn? I can only tell because the way you formulate questions is loaded.

It's bad for those companies but kids quickly find out how to setup a VPN or find other sites that give no fucks to that law. But let's assume it does work. Now you opened the possibility to use that information for other purposes, for a supposed gain that can be easily worked around. Good job.

>>105768593
>your government just fucking hates you and wants to inconvenience you in every way possible.
Ok I bite
why would they do that?
>less family means less children
>less children = bad economy
>which they try to compansate with Immigrants but this shit has a limit on how much you can do that.

>>105768733
And btw, same person you answered, what do I win with that? Why would I cooperate with such a system? I don't give a fuck if kids watch porn. What do I win by giving them that information? Nothing, right? I only lose. Congratulations, you stopped porn for no reason, although I can easily find workarounds, and now they can use that information for other purposes.

honestly years ago I would have been against this kind of program but after seeing how much leftist propaganda has been injected into the classroom I'm for it, in fact I think they should just ban kids under 16 from the internet entirely because there is almost no upside.

>>105768767
>So your whole logic is that the government is legitimately concerned about kids watching porn?
The less elite parts of the government, yes.
>It's bad for those companies but kids quickly find out how to setup a VPN
Why is it suddenly so easy to set up a VPN but so hard to use basic OpSec tools for us adults?
>Now you opened the possibility to use that information for other purposes, for a supposed gain that can be easily worked around
Correct and I'm not too happy about that. The best option would be to remove all porn online.

>>105768801
>I don't give a fuck if kids watch porn.
There's the problem

>>105768782
>why would they do that?
To import more shitskin slaves

>>105766670 (OP)
>yet another thread about muh id verification
Sometimes I really don't know if all those fear-mongering posts on /g/ are made by mindbroken tourists or people on 4chan's technology board are so utterly tech-illiterate that they won't be able to get around basic KYC attempts.

>>105768782
Because they're idiots. They stubbornly want men to be the problem when it's obvious they gave a very unbalanced power to women. They can do whatever the hell they want with no consequences, so many men simply gave up. It's not worth the risk. Men win nothing by making a family.

Immigrants don't give a fuck, they're not in a position to think what's going to happen. Meanwhile bringing immigrants always backfires. You have more young people in short term but you created a giant instability that can't be fixed. Import the third world, become the third world, is a real thing.

How will they prevent kids from just using a free VPN?
Also, good luck preventing kids from sharing pornography over discord and popular chatting services.

>>105768855
> There's the problem
I'm not surprised you're a Karen. You forget that if there's a will there's a way. Kids find a way whether you like or not. If it's not porn it's drugs and alcohol. Which do you prefer? You cannot stop everyone from doing bad things by making it forbidden. You're only really redirecting the problem to something else, without fixing the root problem. Stop being a fucking Karen.

>>105768899
not him but your argument is retarded.
>kids are doing a bad thing
>better not try to stop kids from doing that bad thing and just let it keep happening
the broken windows theory grows truer every day.

>>105768992
So you prefer drugs and alcohol. Okay. Good luck with that. Oh wait USA already tried that and it was a disaster! What was it called? Prohibition era. And I'm the retard right? Yeah.

>>105769021
majority of zoomers are anti-alcohol already, and they are prescribed amphetamines for ADHD or other made up bullshit. Porn is still worse than d rugs and alcohol because its causing a societal collapse.

>>105766670 (OP)
I am very tired of something that could be solved with responsibility and DNS blocking.
But let's be honest the EU just wants to have access to all account data immediately.
It's also obviously done in the least privacy conscious way.
I had an idea for this that could be done via a physical real world one time check that can In no way be tracked back to you that can be done by every bored store Clerc.
You show them your ID.
The clerc presses "yes" on a backend with none of your information and you get a one time code.

>>105768899
>Just let bad things happen bro
>There's nothing you can do against man-made tragedies
>If it's not porn it's drugs and alcohol.
Wrong, kids do not have an inherent need for malice.
>You cannot stop everyone from doing bad things by making it forbidden.
It's about reduction of malice and tragedies.
>You're only really redirecting the problem to something else,
Good, then I can restrict them to somethign else until nothing is left.
>without fixing the root problem.
The problem is the tolerance of malice you show here. Porn should be eradicated, recreational drug use should not exist and so on.

>>105769113
> Porn is still worse than d rugs and alcohol because its causing a societal collapse.
LOL ok anon. I guarantee you banning pron won't fix anything. You expect people to spend time better but no, they're just going to alternative addictions. Worse addictions.

> majority of zoomers are anti-alcohol already
And what made them anti-alcohol? Was forbidding alcohol or years of information and alternative entertainment? You don't need to answer. You know the answer.

I refuse to believe actual Germans are in this thread. Actual Germans are still at work. You're replying to Turks.

>>105769183
Did you know that you can access 4chan at work?

>>105769164
> Wrong, kids do not have an inherent need for malice.
Ultra naive Karen detected! Fucking hell anon, you lived in a bubble or something? Some kids are horrible and don't think of consequences.

> It's about reduction of malice and tragedies.
It won't reduce shit. You will only really see workarounds and alternative addictions. See prohibition era.

> Good, then I can restrict them to somethign else until nothing is left.
They'll resort to suicide. No I'm not joking. That happened during covid.

> The problem is the tolerance of malice you show here. Porn should be eradicated, recreational drug use should not exist and so on.
You are naive and dangerous. Prohibition doesn't solve crap and usually backfires. You only really solve this with information and education. Your ideas are really bad, have been attempted before, and don't work. If you want to regulate you have to be reasonable. You should only really make things illegal if the general population agrees or doesn't care. Otherwise you're just going to get worse results.

>>105769164
And also, if you want kids to stop watching porn, another solution is giving alternatives that are just as interesting for kids. Prohibition doesn't solve crap. You're omega naive. I know i it and if you still don't know, your incredibly naive comment of "kids do not have inherent need for malice" should give you a hint.

>>105769233
>Some kids are horrible and don't think of consequences.
Please show where in them the need for malice is located. Did they just invent the concept of porn on their own?
>It won't reduce shit.
You are contradicting yourself. You said it will lead them to other bad stuff.
>See prohibition era.
And then you restrict the access to the other addictions and strike down the possibility of workarounds.
>They'll resort to suicide.
Only after they are already addicted. You're making a perfect case against porn sites here.
>Prohibition doesn't solve crap and usually backfires.
Yeah we should just give up. Nobody ever doesn't do something because of a possible backlash. Which is why it's impossible for you to prevent us from doing what you consider bad (not letting children watch porn).
>You only really solve this with information and education.
Why is porn then so prevalent in first world countries which generally lack less in education?
>have been attempted before
Source
>If you want to regulate you have to be reasonable.
We were reasonable and porn sites did nothing against the kids using their platforms. Justitia holds a sword for a reason.
>You should only really make things illegal if the general population agrees or doesn't care.
In general, people don't want kids to be sexualized.

>>105769279
>another solution is giving alternatives that are just as interesting for kids.
According to you that's only drugs or alcohol. No thanks!
>Prohibition doesn't solve crap.
According to you it reduced the amount of alcohol in the biggest historic example. Do you think pornhub wouldn't offer even more cp if it was legal? Is there no market interest in this?
>your incredibly naive comment of "kids do not have inherent need for malice" should give you a hint.
Show me how kids come up with an uninspired need for porn.

>>105769345
The fact you wrote a fucking blog, making demands, and repeating yourself, tells me you're frustrated, you don't know what the fuck you're talking anymore, and can't reasonably make any sort of conversation. There is zero for me to add. Leave the keyboard, do more research and find your own conclusions. I know and I'm confident your solution will never work and will only backfire. If you're not confident in your solution, that's your problem.

>>105769386
>There is zero for me to add.
Why are you suddenly scared of contradicting yourself.
>If you're not confident in your solution, that's your problem.
I am, that's why I will continue to push for the death of porn companies and hedonism in general.

>>105769408
No you aren't. It's obvious. But go ahead and fuck around, we'll find out anyway.

>>105769422
Why are you suddenly scared of contradicting yourself.

>>105768481
>not being allowed to buy train tickets because I don't agree with my country's new fiscal policy
Do you have a source on that krautcel?

>>105769466
Speak to those surrounding you, chang

>>105768593
>your government just fucking hates you and wants to inconvenience you in every way possible.
true
>This has nothing to do with porn
not true, tons of people absolutely hate porn and your freedom to watch or produce it with a passion, otherwise prostitution would be legalized all over but it ain't, even with all the feminist movements about freeing the pussy.
Even 4chan is filled with very perversely confused moralists that hate pornography
As sort of libertarian I really don't understand why people can't simply mind their own business

>>105770837
Why are you then telling us about a country's law and their people's 'very perversely confused' morals if you want people to 'mind their own business'?

>>105768528
>pushing porn onto everybody

1 Some people create a problem
2 Then, they tell you that they have THE solution to the problem
3 No other solution gets any attention

Nope, everything is OK, there is nothing to see here...

>>105766670 (OP)
Somehow I fell children will still have have access to things like pride parade's public sexual display, "drag queen story hour" and non-heterosexual "spicy" literature in schools despite the EU efforts to "protect" them.

>>105771185
I feel*

>>105771118
How many times do I need to repeat that we need to eradicate porn? Of course we could also suggest that parents control their kids better but according to >>105769279 that's impossible :/

>>105771185
It's a step in the right direction. Pride parades will hopefully soon be stopped, however, it seems that right now the devil is just attempting to rile us all more up into a murderous frenzy. So even if the conservatives can successfully shift the public discourse away from the absurd inclusion of all perversions it will likely only lead to even more civil unrest. Which is part of the reason we need to prevent kids from being sexualized through this measure.

This is your final reminder to start building your own net outside of this gay shit. HTTP(S) is dead and burried.

>>105768029
Faggot, get your ass back in that soup.

>>105766670 (OP)
>frustrated companies
huh?
why would they give a fuck?
I feel like companies are going to lose a shit ton of traffic/views/money from banning children/teens/adults who don't want to jump through hoops with this?

>>105773184
If that was true every other anti consumer decision lost them a lot of users but it doesn't matter bc those that do put up with their shit make them way more money.

>>105766670 (OP)
Really? Sparkass(e)?

>>105767929
Would be a great set up for a dystopic scifi novel