Thread 105793534

The eternal debate . . .

Easy. HDMI. No question.

It's not much of a debate. Modern GPUs only produce DP signals. HDMI has to be converted.

DisplayPort

I'm still using DVI...

>DisplayPort
+ Higher bandwidth (DP 1.4, 2.0)
+ Can daisy-chain monitors
+ Locking mechanism so it doesn’t unplug easily
+ Better for high refresh rate gaming (144Hz+)
- Not common on TVs or consoles
- Cable length limits for full bandwidth

>HDMI
+ Works on basically every TV, console, projector
+ Carries audio and video easily
+ HDMI 2.1 allows 4K 120Hz, 8K
+ ARC/eARC for audio return in home theater
- No daisy-chaining
- Older HDMI versions have low bandwidth
- No locking, can unplug if you sneeze on it

>tl;dr
Use DisplayPort for PC master race monitors, HDMI for normie TVs and consoles.

They're both proprietary standards run by "forums" with draconian policies. DP is easily the lesser evil though.

>>105793582
>DP is easily the lesser evil though.
Is it? Unless you need exotic bandwidths HDMI's licensing is significantly cheaper if not free, and it only supports one form of DRM while DP supports three.

>>105793534 (OP)
DisplayPort, by a long mile.
DP for modern system and VGA for good old analog days. You don't need anything else

>>105793573
>+ Locking mechanism so it doesn’t unplug easily
>- No locking, can unplug if you sneeze on it
This has never ever been an issue for me.
Also, computers often think a displayport monitor has been disconnected when you turn it off, which is dumb.

DisplayPorn

DP Is better but everyone and their mom uses HDMI

for the longest time i assumed display port was the older, more outdated of the two since we only ever had hdmi cables in my house growing up. but yeah display port wins.

>>105793604
DP is technically superior and its terms of use are less anal-retentive. AMD on Linux famously doesn't support HDMI 2.1 solely because the HDMI Forum forbids it.

>>105793534 (OP)
DisplayPort is the AV1 of video connectors.

>>105793692
what does that even mean

>>105793534 (OP)
I freaking hate Display Port, my fat fingers always have trouble pushing the button

>>105793689
>the HDMI Forum forbids it.
That can't be the reason because Nvidia and Intel both support HDMI 2.1 on Linux. AMD is just throwing a fit about clauses in random legal papers that they're the only ones who interpret it like that the same way Fedora pretends they're not allowed to ship media codecs even though everyone else does ship them.

>>105793734
it doesn't mean anything

>>105793778
Nvidia's driver is proprietary and Intel GPUs cheat by converting DP to HDMI, which means you aren't getting "real" HDMI 2.1 even on Windows.
Not that it really matters since there's literally no reason not to use DP in this case.

>>105793534 (OP)
Ignoring all the tech specs and whatnot, DisplayPort just *physically* felt like a better and more solid connection.
All my HDMI ports have that slight "wiggle" to them like shitty USB C ports and I fucking hate it.

>>105793534 (OP)
DisplayPort technically is better, but all the TVs only have HDMI and they're generally much cheaper/better than "gaming" monitors.

>>105793534 (OP)
for monitors, DP
for TVs, hdmi

>>105793921
>>105793980
if i have a good gpu and want the best option should i get a monitor or a tv? if i get a tv, what am i missing out on using hdmi vs dp?

>>105794011
HDMI and DisplayPort do the same thing
DisplayPort is free though

The current best price/performance or LG OLED TVs

>>105794088
* are

>>105793534 (OP)
DisplayPort is better but afaik it *still* has problems with hotplugging and sleep/wake.
Mainly its a nvidia issue at this point, but I still occasionally have issues on my 5700XT when waking from sleep.

>>105794201
>5700XT
unfortunately that card is riddled with hardware bugs, so I can't say I'm surprised

>>105794201
> display port
Lol, people never even realized, with improved differential line drivers, that your father’s CATV cables, like RG59, were already more than sufficient, bandwidth-wise.

> check out this dope quality picture quality with my new DRM enabled cables on HDMI pro max 3.11. I ditched the old 3.10a cables immediately. Can you feel the new deeper bass, and see the HDR?
> where’s that signal coming from?
> muh cable TV box, man, like always
> what cable does that use?
> uhh.. let me check….
> … !!!!
Holy videophool army!

>>105794294
I’m old enough to remember when congress mandated firewire.
Maybe they forgot to cancel that and we can get a class-action going.

>>105794294
SDI is pretty neat but its filled with the same DRM riddled shit as HDMI and DisplayPort while being nowhere near as braindead as HDMI/DisplayPort. Yes, fulling seating the cable and twisting the threads on is actually too much for the average person to understand.
t. works with SDI on the daily

>>105794349
> HDMI/DP … iffy at 35 feet, the outside maximum.
> SDI, fine at 980 feet.
LOL

>>105794011
>if i get a tv, what am i missing out on using hdmi vs dp?
TVs have globohomo tuners and SoC with AI spyware pre installed within the OS which not only collects your data but spams you with kike ads. Get a monitor if you're a purist.

>>105794397
cant you turn off the ads/tracking? even ACR (automatic content recognition)? or just never connect to the internet in the first place ?

>>105794381
>ignoring the SDI is also DRM riddled
>but muh 1000ft runs
It has its place in the industry but has little to no benefit over HDMI or DisplayPort in a consumer setting.

>>105794409
> little to no benefit over HDMI or DisplayPort
You can keep your noisy, 6-fan rig in a closet somewhere. Preferably, at your neighbor’s house and just string a…. Wait…
I think that’s why normalfags can’t have SDI.

>>105794349
>SDI is pretty neat but its filled with the same DRM riddled shit as HDMI and DisplayPort
it really isn't y'know

>>105794797
>AI answer
SDI supports whatever DRM you want to throw at it.
The standard doesn't necessarily call for a always on DRM but it supports it just fine and you're a retard if you think they wouldn't throw it in consumer devices if it became the standard.
Try to copy the HDSDI signal going from a media server to a projector and watch security flip its shit and cut video.

>>105793534 (OP)
Why not both?

>>105794926
i only have one monitor

>>105794948
I can still use both on a single display. So should you. ;3

>>105794912
>AI answer
- just saves a bit of typing
you are/were stating Wrongness, namely that SDi is encumbered and embuggered with all manner of nefarious and not-further-explained DRM. When in fact none of that has jackshit to with SDI. At all. You are also just getting disingenuous trying to back away from that statement now. i mean technically HDCP isn't a part of HDMI spec either, picrel, AI-etc. But the two are so often found together its pretty much semantics to argue that. SDI tho, its otherwise always just been a pro vid transport protocol, to me at any rate. Just found it odd someone was claiming 'its riddled with more DRM crap than HDMIetc'.

>>105793534 (OP)
It is not a debate you idiot. It already has been sorted.

Displayport = Computer video peripherals

HDMI = A/V

*demolishes your shitty interference filled bullshit multiplexed cable*

>>105794981
I've always interacted with SDI with FIPS140-x security autism that freaks if you even look at it wrong.
*Technically* yes, SDI is DRM free in the same way other video standards are DRM free, but any digital video signal is subject to DRM.
>i mean technically HDCP isn't a part of HDMI spec either, picrel, AI-etc. But the two are so often found together its pretty much semantics to argue that
In the same rate SDI is also in a similar boat depending on where you're coming from. I have no idea what industry your in, but at least in mine SDI is DRM riddled.

>>105793548
but my 8k hdmi cable wont do 1440 q65 but display port will on my old msi g27qf

>>105795012
faux nostalgia zoomers are the worst

go get eye cancer with your dumpster dived CRT

>>105795012
i do miss scart but the picture wasnt amazing. best picture quality ove ever had was the old brown aerial into the telly from video with male and female ends.

>>105795924
you dont need more than 1080p unless youre a tranny

>>10579354
FPBP, EZPZ.
Cheaper cables.

>>105795974
>unless you’re a tranny
you know, people who aren’t trannies and dont think about trannies all day want nicer things too on occasion. your mind is obsessed with trannies, get a grip.

>>105793573
>+ Can daisy-chain monitors
I wish more displays used this feature. There exist MST hubs but you risk getting chinked.

>>105793534 (OP)
>Displayport is more powerful
>No HDMI forum autism over open source
>DP is an actual locking connector
The only thing HDMI has going for it is meme TV ecosystem shit.

>>105793534 (OP)
The value proposition of DP was that it was a clean slate and royalty free standard (HDMI has legacy going back to VGA, and includes 'blanking periods' in the signal which were used to steer back the electron beam to the start of the row in CRTs).
In practice, DisplayPort as a standalone connector was never popular, and was usually a high-end feature, and it seems to be going away.

However embedded displayport has become the standard for connecting stuff like laptop displays, and DP alt-mode is also very popular for pushing DP thru USB-C connectors.

>>105794407
that last one is the only one to prevent it
and maybe some local blocking, with limited success

>>105793752
...what button?

>>105793534 (OP)
DisplayPort is trash because it is trash and anyone saying it isn't is a trash person made of trash that consumes trash and worships trash and shills trash.
HDMI is also trash.

We do not have a single good digital connector interface now that DVI has been slaughtered.
We need DVI to return, or China to save us with their proposed new GPMI interface that hopefully will be able to do passive conversions to HDMI and DP ports.

Currently DP can be converted to HDMI, but HDMI can't convert to DP. It's bullshit.
Also fuck all of these retards refusing to grow up and stop being a nigger.
Make the port wider, and give us some actual bandwidth, nobody wants to use DSC and our connectors have been cucking us for well over a fucking decade now. We should be able to have 8K@120Hz 4:4:4 RGB with NO compression by now, but we don't. Neither current nor future standard supports that obviously needed bandwidth without compression so they're fucking garbage. They're always garbage.
They have learned NOTHING and can't be bothered to create a port that isn't fucking worthless.
GPMI, on the other hand, should let you do 8K@120 30bpc uncompressed on its 192Gbps variant.
I don't care if the port is as wide as a kitchen fork, just make it happen, fuck HDMI. Fuck DisplayPort. Both of these are eternal torture always just behind what we fucking NEED for our monitors to not be gimped.

>>105793573
Best post. I don't feel strongly either way. Usually it's either VGA or Display Port on PC but if you're trying to make an HTPC you can save a lot of headache by just using HDMI.

>>105795924
Usecase?

>>105795020
> FIPS140
At least it’s not hdcp owned by IsraelInside(tm)
This is the biggest problem with HDMI.
I’m also happy using it for multiplexed ethernet

>>105793534 (OP)
where are the USB-C devices like displays anyway? there are some super-expensive Thunderbolt ones available, but I thought half the point of usb 4 was that you can get audio, video, data and power in just one universal (hah) cable, ideally one you can daisy-chain further to other devices if needed
I can buy cheap chinkshit $20 supports-everything usb-c 4.0 cables now but outside of apple nothing really seems to support it

>>105793548
why do you want to be a cuck?

>>105793573
you forgot shit HDMI cables limit you to 1080p

>>105793534 (OP)
I've been using the same HDMI cable that originally came with my PS3 for like 15 years. I have no need to switch over, or buy a new cable anyway

>>105793534 (OP)
DisplayPort is the superior one of the two, but the part of the spec where the monitor is considered disconnected when it's been shut off is retarded. I don't want to fuck around with my layout every time I shut on/off my monitors. Fucking whyyyy

>>105795946
You typically scavenge your tech from dumpsters do you?

>>105796415
>can't get into electrical engineering
GPMI is just China's homebrewed take that stems from Cold War 2 paranoia.
>Make the port wider, and give us some actual bandwidth, nobody wants to use DSC and our connectors have been cucking us for well over a fucking decade now. We should be able to have 8K@120Hz 4:4:4 RGB with NO compression by now, but we don't. Neither current nor future standard supports that obviously needed bandwidth without compression so they're fucking garbage. They're always garbage
It is a PITA to do clean, ultra-high bandwidth over conductive metal. DSC is already being used you retard.

>>105794201
>DisplayPort is better but afaik it *still* has problems with hotplugging and sleep/wake.
No, it is working as it is suppose to. Blame aging from software ecosystems not updating.

>>105797484
>limit you to 1080p
is that not enough for you, you liberal pansy? what next, saving audio in anything more than 64 kbps mp3?

>>105797950
only pajets think 1080p is enough.

Dvi- D dual link. Cables without screws are zoomer gore.

i like 180hz, so dp

DisplayPort is the new VGA, I have probably 100 OEM dell DP cables, I'm still holding on to every one I find, but to what end?
Also, in my experience, I've never had a shitty DP cable, they all do 1440p60, no matter what, with HDMI, it's a lot more common to find some shitty gamer or OEM cable that is just the /worst/

>>105796501
Unrelated to video standards, but there's a line of dell switches (Power connect 55xx) that use HDMI cables for 10Gb local stacking. It's pretty neat in an autistic way.

DisplayPort design is stupid and asymmetrical, genuinely what the fuck
USB A and C, FireWire, eSATAp, HDMI, VGA (if you don't look closely at pins), Ethernet (RJ45) and so on, literally everything commonly found in all good laptops is symmetrical and it looks great, how did ((they)) fuck up that much?

>>105793921
>better
for Gaming yes for text clarity? eh trade offs. I use a LG 42 C2 simply because the cost could not be beaten. All the monitors at the time were HDR400 at most. Absolutely pathetic.

>>105798137
you can feel which way is correct unlike say USBA where it's a fucking guessing game.

>>105797971
You can get almost any cable with a screw connection built in, USB-C and mDP ones were very common for thunderbolt.
>Inb4 "B-but it's not part of the standard"
The screws aren't required for DVI/VGA either, works just fine without them.
DP's hooks are arguably better, less chance of finding a monitor/PC that has had some tard wrench them down with the force of a thousand spergs, and in doing so has ruined the screwdriver portion of the handle.

>>105798183
you can also feel it with VGA, HDMI, RJ45 and most other stuff, USB-C doesn't even care about "which way" at all
what's your point? yes, USB-A is retarted, but DP is much worse aesthetically

Other than patent/licensing costs (which only really matters to the manufacturer), does this have any difference for the end consumer? (me and You?)

>>105793734
>>105793692
DisplayPort = JPEG XL
HDMI = WEBP
DVI = PNG
VGA = JPEG
you understand now??

>>105793604
>HDMI's licensing is significantly cheaper if not free
DP is an open standard. It's license and royalty free.

>>105793608
>computers often think a displayport monitor has been disconnected when you turn it off
This is part of DP's protocol. It's useful when you have a multi-monitor setup.

>>105798712
>It's license and royalty free.
Stop lying.

>>105793534 (OP)
DP is just better in every way. Why you would ever go HDMI, without needing to transmit audio, is simply down to your brainsize.

>>105793752
You know you can buy a cable without a button right?

>>105796401
Some cables include hooks on the connector to prevent it from disconnecting on accident. The button releases the cable.

>>105793534 (OP)
is it a debate? or is it just a bunch of HDMI retards who can't let go of their outdated wire?

>>105795944
USB-C uses displayport under the hood, that's how it carries video, the actual port might be different but everything else is the same

>>105797559
I fucking hate that, I fucking hate that so much, I should be able to shut off my monitors without my computer having a god damn meltdown
I've had software crash because it fucked with my graphics card somehow

>>105797559
>>105799354
freetard issue

>>105796007
>your mind isbobsessed with trannies
ong the passoids can dock my cock fr

>>105793534 (OP)
I think HDMI is going to win because normies complain about graphics cards having only 1 HDMI port in reviews now. Tragic.

>>105793778
intel loads a binary blob to support certain HDMI features

>>105793573
hdmi 2.1 allows more than 120Hz at 4K though

>>105793534 (OP)
They both do the same thing...

>>105799662
Any specific numbers?

TVs are the best monitors these days and TVs never come with Displayport, unfortunately. My hope is that when USB4 becomes commonplace, stuff will actually start leveraging the Displayport and Ethernet alt modes. There's really no reason for anything that draws less than 240W to use anything other than USB-C.

>>105800001
I prefer USB4 2.0.

>>105799999
>>105800000

>>105793534 (OP)
I love DP, and so does OP's mom

there's no debate, DP is for PC, HDMI is for everything else, that's it

>>105793534 (OP)
Enough force, the plug type doesn't matter.

>>105800947
based

>>105793534 (OP)
what's the difference?

>>105799173
Reminds me of the original locking iPhone connector.
They got rid of the locking part real fast.
Ever seen one of picrel?
Thought not. It’s part of the USB-C standard.

>>105798202
> USB-C doesn't even care about "which
We can’t have that. Death to usb-c

>>105803188
DisplayPort has better features, but poorer implementations.
HDMI just works.

>>105799646
Wrong, HDMI is an A/V connector. It replaced the S-Video, RCA and compotent outputs that used to be on video cards back 20+ years ago.
Displayport is the standard for all computer video peripherals. The next step we will either go wireless or optical.

>>105797484
>>105797950
>>105797957
1366x768 is enoughf ror everybody

>>105803210
>Ever seen one of picrel?
yes I do, I see them everyday at my job, for usb a, b and c.
I also see some out-of-spec usb-a shitness where manufacturer put two tiny pieces of metal in the two plastic squares in the connector to keep them in place, it's horrible and break all the time, we even managed to break a usb slot with this shit, advantech does that a lot, fuck them.

>>105803188
Displayport = computer video peripherals

HDMI = A/V ecosystem

Its pretty straightforward now.

>>105803247
DisplayPort replaced DVI on graphics cards, but it came well after HDMI had replaced DVI for most monitors so we have this situation were people moved from DVI to HDMI but while HDMI is still ubiquitous there's a push to move to DisplayPort.
Ok, but I'm not going to replace perfectly fine monitors just because DisplayPort exists.

>>105793573
you forgot
>HDMI
- DRM in the cable

>>105803293
Displayport is already commonplace for monitors made in the past decade or so. DVI and VGA are both dead. HDMI is increasingly becoming a rare option on computer monitors. It is being opt out for USB 3/4.
HDMI only existed on computer monitors as a cost cutting measure to repurpose small HDTV units (they simply don't put in TV tuner).

>>105803322
For the gazilionth time, DP is also required to support HDCP, and DPCP on top of that.

HDMI
>just works
DisplyPort
>applefaggot NIH connector cable. nothing actually has a port for this

>>105793534 (OP)
the real question is HDMI over USB-C or DP over USB-C and I think DP won that and so will win in the end

>>105797648
>>can't get into electrical engineering
>GPMI is just China's homebrewed take that stems from Cold War 2 paranoia.
Uhh, no.
China is actually rather based and forward thinking. They own so much of the world's production and produces the most TVs ever in the entire world.
They see the issues with HDMI/DP. They are inadequate.
If either HDMI/DP would aim for giving enough bandwidth there wouldn't be a need for a new connector but China has recognized that HDMI and DP are forever worthless because they refuse to give people what they need.
Backwards compatbility means fucking nothing when TVs and monitors are sold with "HDMI 2.1" ports that aren't even giving you full HDMI 2.0 bandwidth.
The whole thing is a fucking SCAM.

>It is a PITA to do clean, ultra-high bandwidth over conductive metal. DSC is already being used you retard.
No, it's easy to do clean ultra-high bandwidth over metal. We can do more bandwidth over ethernet than we can over our video cables. Do you know how fucking retarded you are? Sure, aggregation is used, but that's the point.
SHUT
THE
FUCK
UP
NIGGER
MAKE
THE
PORTS
AND
THE
CONNECTORS
BIGGER
AND
THE
CABLES
THICKER
and these problems all instantly goes away immediately with almost no effort at all. More pins, more twisted pairs, some shielding, and we're there. It's seriously that fucking easy.

Also no, DSC isn't always used.
It is lossy compression that you can choose to not enable when you have enough bandwidth. 1440p240hz is doable on latest HDMI/DP without compression and so is 2160p120, the problem is we can't even manage 8K 120 yet because of these retarded incremental shit cables that gimp everything because they refuse to go with a bigger connector for backwards compatibility bullshit reasons. The actual reason is they want you stuck buying new cables every few fucking years because they never give you one that does what you need it to. It's an endless cycle of incremental gains while refusing to fix the obvious problems.

>>105804550
based but redpilled

DVI + VGA OR DEATH

>>105804649
DVI was great for its era but it is thoroughly obsolete now unless it gets a new revision.
It has potential to make a great comeback but I don't think it will.

Imagine a DVI-HB update with higher bandwidth. Could be amazing but instead, we're stuck with DVI-D that can't even do 8bpc 2160p at even 48Hz. DVI-D quite literally can't even properly send The Hobbit to a display. Some might say this is a win, but from a technological standpoint it is a clear case of it being inadequate. Imagine if it were a good movie? Then it might matter. For most user use cases though, well, try enjoying your mouse cursor moving across your screen at below 40FPS. That's DVI-D today.
1440p is a gamerfag resolution but DVI-D can't even do that at 120Hz which is the required refresh rate for judder free playback for most stuff.

DVI is dead and won't be missed unless it can redeem itself with an update. 60Hz is not good enough. Never was, never will be.

>>105804550
>brainlet doubles down
Stay mad bro and seethe hard

>>105804777
>brainlet
You are the brainlet. Fuck you.
>seethe hard
I will. I am mad, fuck you and everyone like you defending this HORSE SHIT.
You are a fucking VESA/HDMI shill. You're not fooling anybody.

There are high refresh rate "hybrid" monitors that offer different refresh rates all because the cables and ports are insufficient to deliver the max refresh the monitors are capable of internally. These garbage ports are still holding us back all these years after they were incapable of even 4K60 torturing people with 4:2:0 subsampling or forcing 30Hz on early adopters.

>360Hz 1080p or 180Hz 4K
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/alienware-27-4k-dual-resolution-gaming-monitor-aw2725qf/apd/210-bnjj/monitors-monitor-accessories

>144hz 5K or 288Hz 1440p (coming soon)
https://www.pcguide.com/news/acer-unveils-powerhouse-5k-monitor-that-can-double-its-refresh-rate-for-super-smooth-1440p-gaming/

If HDMI and DP weren't trash we wouldn't have gimped display refresh rates.
PLEASE DO THE NEEDFUL SIR AND SHIT IN YOUR PANTS

>>105793534 (OP)
Neither.
https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/china-launches-hdmi-and-displayport-alternative-gpmi-boasts-up-to-192-gbps-bandwidth-480w-power-delivery#xenforo-comments-3877248

>>105799918
mines 4k144Hz

>>105804883
>Seething this hard because they don't understand the difficulties of clean, ultra-high data transmission over conductive metal. It thinks all runs on magic.

>>105804939
>Bandwidth
That's quite fessible
>400W
ROFL, nope. It will make shitty 12VHPWR look sane by comparison.

>>105804939
looks nice. takes up less space and doesn't have a latch.
wished we could have a symmetrical latchless port like USB-C for it. much easier to insert when you reacharound

USB C you boomers.

>>105804972
I know, right? Adding more lanes is simply impossible.
PCI Express isn't real and there are no benefits to an x16 slot over an x1. Electrical engineering and all that shit yo, it's unfeasible bruh, trust. It simply can't be done. No way, no how. Don't believe China when they say their new cable with more pins an do it, that's impossible. Buy our new HDMI/DP cable with no upgrades and lack of bandwidth and just use DSC or run 4:2:0 chroma or a lower refresh rate. Let me guess, you need more? Am I right?

I want you to shit in your pants then wear them for a week without ever taking them off. Let everyone around you know how much of a stinky retarded shitter you are. Please do it.

>>105805346
What if USB-C but BIG

Think about it

>>105805381
Oh yeah...

>>105805381
Genius!

>>105805346
yeah, because phone cables breaking isn't enough, we also need monitor cables to randomly die.

>>105805381
that is >>105804939
>>105804989
>ROFL, nope. It will make shitty 12VHPWR look sane by comparison.
the retarded part was still using 12v for so many power, most probably this standard uses higher voltages for big power loads.

>>105806156
GPMI will step up to 48V for 240W.
The 192Gbps/480W cables will surely do the same and require thicker cables.
Yes.
NVIDIA and power supplies in general not adapting to supply higher voltage to GPUs is retarded. Clean 12V from a good PSU is nice and all but if cards are going to require so much power it is time they either add more connectors or do something because that tiny shit they released has only created fires and disappointment.
What's actually insane is how hungry cards and dual-GPU setups in the past were fine. The old GTX 590 used a lot, and people were running two of them almost 15 years ago. If NVIDIA is committed to single card future all they need to do is just add more connectors. Not shrink and combine them.

>>105793534 (OP)
Display port supports daisy chain, hdmi does not. That's all the discussion needed.

>>105797559
That is annoying. Luckily some systems are staring to ignore that and just assume the display is still there.

>>105806331
Use case for daisy chaining? Just use a dock like a normal human being

>>105795944
based

>>105806534
Not everyone wants a giant mess of cables from some shitty dock. Daisy chain is significantly cleaner.

>>105805378
>"HERP DERP"
I'll take that as your concession, good day.

>>105806893
>my desk is so clean
>I need a clean desk
>that's so clean man

>>105806233
Nope, 5090 can drink more power than most dual-card SLI/CF of the old days. The only item that comes close was 295X2.
Both companies are gulity of just throwing power at the problem to keep-up the illusion in order to satisfy "min-max" types. Efficiency and thermals be damned.

I keep hearing about daisy chaining but how does it exactly work? Do I need a special cable? Monitor support? How can the GPU even tell them apart?

>>105806909
Enjoy your mess.

>>105793872
The primary reason why you would want to use HDMI on a linux desktop is because like, 99% of high end monitors with exotic resolution+refresh rate combos accomplish those rates using HDMI 2.X and only have DisplayPort 1.4 for compatibility. DP 1.4 cucks you out of the higher refresh rates.

This will not be an issue when more monitors ship with DP 2.0+, but so far the majority of monitor manufacturers don't support it while they DO support the latest HDMI standards.

>>105806957
This is true and I hate when that happens

>>105793534 (OP)
VGA

>>105793534 (OP)
DisplayPort > HDMI

There are no 27" 4k ips monitors with DP 2.1, so choice is easy 4 me

>>105793534 (OP)
Display Port > HDMI
Only major flaw is its lack of support in anything that isn't a video card, modern motherboard, or monitor as well as not being good with hotplugging.

>>105793734
NTA but the HDMI forum that oversees HDMI is known to be occasionally scummy. They occasionally do shit like this: https://www.phoronix.com/news/HDMI-2.1-OSS-Rejected . On top of that, going back to the comparison with video codecs, HDMI like anything MPEG-based like H.265 and VVC is heavily patented and comes with a cost/royalties for implementing it whereas Display Port like AV1 is royalty free. No cost for manufacturers is the main reason why nowadays most video cards have 3 Display Ports to 1 HMDI port.

HDMI 2.1 is all you need

>>105793534 (OP)
They both suck but Displayport at least has the lock-on plug. HDMI is the most garbage physical connector ever, and I include SCART in that.
BNC, VGA, DVI were the best ones, RCA is good for its simplicity, and SCART is good as long as you get a cable with proper individual shielding on every signal pin. Also, for digital audio, Coax > Optical.

If I could have two wishes for A/V inputs, I'd wish they be able to use the Component + Composite inputs for RGB+S input, and I'd wish they kept developing the S/PDIF input for higher bandwidth so you could put 7.1 lossless digital audio in there, instead of either only stereo or DD/DTS 5.1.

>>105806233
i am more of the position that we should stop using retarded oc from factories
>>105806917
>Both companies are gulity of just throwing power at the problem to keep-up the illusion in order to satisfy "min-max" types. Efficiency and thermals be damned.
this, evdery time the generration leap was not enough for the amrketing the power usage has going higher

>>105793534 (OP)
There is no debate, HDMI is proprietary garbage with DRM for cuckolds.

I wanted to get a decent monitor without spending a fortune, so I got an MSI 271 QPX. It's a QD-OLED monitor.
You see, a good number of these ~$600 monitors support HDMI 2.1, but only DP 1.4. With DSC enabled both are sufficient for the max refresh rate and resolution on 10bit, but without it DP is limited to 120hz, and HDMI to 240hz. This is not a problem generally. But what if I switch to linux? Well, I'm glad I have an nvidia GPU, and I'm not glad. Nvidia sucks shit on linux, but it's the only way I'm getting VRR to work through HDMI. Otherwise, I'm forced to use DP 1.4. This something that's keeping me away from buying an AMD GPU. I hate this shit

>>105794201
>DisplayPort is better but afaik it *still* has problems with hotplugging and sleep/wake.
god fucking damnit i hate this so much having switched recently from hdmi to dp

>>105809855
>>105803333

Everyone is talking about 1080p. Where is 1488p?

>>105808211
>Only major flaw is its lack of support in anything that isn't a video card, modern motherboard, or monitor as well as not being good with hotplugging.
Wrong, DP has no problem with hot-plugging with any graphics adapter made in last 15 or so years. DVI and HDMI had more hot-plugging and negotiation issues in their early days then DP ever had. Most of DP negotiation issues were actually from Nvidia's G-Sync classic with non-G-Sync monitors.

>>105813010
You get 1488p with a 2560x1600 display and not hiding your taskbars.
Truly, it is the ideal resolution but not a nominal one so it never gets referenced. 1488p is called 1600p and that is to ensure you actually still have room for 1488 rows with taskbars enabled as god intended.

>>105813427
Or shit monitors hard powering off when no signal is detected, when HDMI usually just sleeps.
You're on copium sir. DP has plenty of issues and all of them aren't technically DP's fault, but DP has issues on more products across the globe than ones made for HDMI. Problem stems from HDMI being the standard and DP being the "it's free to add another for free, so let's do that, and do it poorly" port.
Sometimes they will poorly add a shit DP port on just to claim higher refresh rates but not actually deliver a port without other issues and this can lead to a monitor delivering higher refresh rates over the DP but the DP port taking more seconds to power back on when connected via DP vs when it is connected to an HDMI source. Even if it's from the same GPU, because it's a problem with the input port side.

You just haven't been around the block enough times to see the issues. People have real complaints because there are real fucking problems. These are also not the sort of things reviewers discuss in their reviews so it's a hit or miss and people don't know what to expect when buying shit other than DP might have these weird issues when HDMI usually does not.

>>105813642
>zoomer detected
HDMI is an A/V interface. It had tons of issues on the computer ecosystem but when it was introduced. It was designed to replaced S-Video, RCA and component that used be found on graphics back 20 or so years ago. It was never meant to replace DVI, VGA (DB15) or SCRAT. Displayport was the intended successor to DVI, VGA and SCRAT ecosystem.

>>105793554
yep, any other connector introduces unnecessary latency
that theyre going to start cucking users by making everything optional so that you dont know if a given port supports 4k without reading the manual is icing on the shit cake

>>105806156
12V literally isn't even an option for USB-C. It's 5, 9, 15, 20, 28, 36, and 48 volts at 0.9, 1.5, 2.4, or 5 amps.

GPMI-B is just two USB-Cs taped together so it will be up to 48v at 10 amps.

>>105813845
Oops, 0.9, 1.5, and 2.4 amps are all for USB-A. USB-C is just 3 or 5.

>>105793534 (OP)
the connector? hdmi.
the spec? dp.
the locking thing causes a lot of issues for me; especially with cheap/used cables. the amout of force required to accidentally remove a hdmi cable is ver much acceptable, maybe even too much when new. same goes for vga, i nearly have a stroke every time i see someone's rig with screwed in vga. like what are tou trying to do, haul a car? if you need a lock on your cable to keep it from unplugging like that, you're more likely going to break your pc/monitor instead of just needing to walk over and plug it back in.

usb-c the goat rn

>>105813744
>It was never meant to replace DVI
Then why is HDMI backwards compatible with DVI with a passive adapter while DP is not at all? It was mainly pushed on TVs and BD players but they were obviously planning on it being an everything connector, after all otherwise it would be silly to let it also carry power and audio.

>>105813919
DP is compatible with DVI-D single link with a passive adapter.

>>105813919
i have 2 passive dp to dvi adapters in use rn
i also have several passive vga adapters

for hdmi ive yet to encounter a passive dvi adapter.

>>105813918
>like what are tou trying to do, haul a car?
Locking connectors aren't for idiots, they're for men and machines doing honest work. This includes being near vibrators and being taken for bumpy rides. It's not about how much you can tug but how long you can last in terms of endurance. Like running a marathon.

Imagine connecting a display in a vehicle and it vibrates itself loose over time forcing you to pop off panels just to connect the fucking thing again. No thank you. Just make it lock into place. This also affects displays on ergonomic mounts that are frequently repositioned.
If you're just using a computer at home on a static stand that never moves you don't even need a tight connector. Your shit will never come loose. Latching/screwed connectors are for people who want a connection that won't wiggle itself loose. It has nothing to do with strength or tow capacity. Nobody above a baker's dozen IQ will be yanking on fucking cables.

>>105793534 (OP)
usbC to dock to DP on main monitor and hdmi on two aux monitors

is everyone in this thread a bot or did the world get more retarded over time?
>>105804550
you're too smart to be this angry, this has to be a dead internet thread

>>105799173
like, real human beings don't write posts like this

who are you that you think that person isn't joking, let alone the concept that they don't know other cables exist?

>>105813956
>for hdmi ive yet to encounter a passive dvi adapter.
What? HDMI to DVI was being done before DisplayPort was even a thing.

>>105813919
HDMI is compatible with DVI with a passive adapter.
DP is compatible with DVI with a passive adapter.
DP to HDMI is compatible with a passive adapter.
HDMI to DP needs an active adapter.

>>105793778
>HDMI Forum
what is that boomer hell

>>105793534 (OP)
It's not even a debate. Use DisplayPort if you want a seamless experience.
So many times I've had friends complaining that they don't get the advertised monitor refresh rate, and I've had to explain to them about HDMI revisions and so on.
Meanwhile DisplayPort just works.

>>105813919
It is because HDMI was an adaptation of DVI by some A/V vendors (who would form HDMI group) and they threw in audio and power. Make the form factor smaller. It was meant to be the next generation connector for A/V stuff unifying the myriad of previous standards under a single digital connector.

>>105793573
>Locking mechanism so it doesn’t unplug easily
yeah, it does this instead

>>105793778
Because Intel and Nvidia are paying the licensing fees to HDMI group. AMD doesn't want to and nor they want to deal with a legal battle by doing it under the table.

why dont any monitors use dp 2.1b yet

>>105793534 (OP)
for me, it's eDP (embedded DisplayPort).

>>105793534 (OP)
HDMI will display the very same image... So use whatever you have

I'm a DP enjoyer, personally.

thunderbolt makes literally everything else irrelevant

>>105800001
never going to buy a (((smart tv)))

>>105815274
The current state of the cable standards and monitors is just so horrific and bad it pisses people off who want anything that isn't slop.

>>105817406
DP 1.4 is so ass

>>105819322
dolphin pussy is lit no cap

>>105819968
Just don't give it your wifi password.

>>105793534 (OP)
DP I guess, graphics cards come with like 3 DP ports and 1 HDMI. Pretty sure USB-C uses DP as well.

>>105795962
>i do miss scart but the picture wasnt amazing
SCART supports the same signals as VGA other than using composite sync (VGA uses separate Hsync and Vsync lines).

>>105793534 (OP)
just looked up specs; marginal difference in bitrate.
Other than that its physical durability & ease of use.

Why do we need both when they are basically the same? Neither one is better, but having both is worse.

>>105822240
well...one needs to be licensed yeah...we need DRM....

>>105822240
HDMI is worse because it's still partially analog.

>>105793778
It is the reason. Intel uses a custom ASIC to turn DP to HDMI on their GPUs. novideo is nonfree trash through and through so there are no details to expose.

>>105797559
Upgrade to windows 11 then, wincuck, or use GNOME.

>>105793534 (OP)
Display Port has locking, which instantly makes it superior.

>>105823385
w-what

>>105823511
Why would anybody need a locking mechanism on stationary computer hardware?

>b-but industry grade equipment
Your home is not an industry

>>105793534 (OP)
DP has a locking connector so it wins by default

>>105794334
They sadly canceled that years ago. They also dropped the requirement to allow customers to use their own cable boxes. Spectrum phased out new cable cards last year and grandfathered old ones in

>>105823534
I wondered that for about a decade until I got a TV that would randomly unplug itself. In the end it's a better safe than sorry situation. You haven't experienced it, maybe never will, but damn is it infuriating when you do.

My G-SYNC monitor only had DisplayPort when I bought it, so obviously DisplayPort.

HDMI for second non-gaming monitor

>>105796142
I love daisy-chaining, but the DDC doesn't work well, so I had to back to separate cables.

>>105793548
Do you take your boots with salt or plain?

>>105793778
just found this out last week when I bought an AMD for the first time
had to get a ridiculous DP -> HDMI adapter

>>105817255
>filename
I'm glad you know what you are

>>105826286
HDMI 2.0 still works retard

>>105826391
limited to 4k@60hz retard
the adapter enables 4k@144hz

>>105826406
The human eye can't see more than 24Hz retard

GDMI

>>105826524
I have 2 eyes retard so I can see at 576hz

>>105826542
NGMI

HDMI 2.1 is proprietary and doesn't work on Linux except with nvidia maybe?
DisplayPort is open and just werkz
it's that simple.

God i wish TVs had even one DP

HDMI because eARC

>>105793534 (OP)
Ever since I learned about the pin 20 issue I got too afraid to use DP. I'm too poor to replace my GPU in case I get a bad cable.

>>105828223
just test the cable

>>105828223
QRD?

>>105828376
pin 20 is the power pin for Display Port
it's for powering adapter dongles and shouldn't be connected when doing a straight patch cable
however chink mfgs don't think and just wire the connectors 1:1 this causes power to be sent from the monitor and through the computer frying components
GPUs made after 2017 redesigned their circuitry to prevent this from happening and I assume chink mfgs have gotten a little smarter about it and stopped wiring the pin (after all saving money on 1 wire is plus)

>>105828422
that's fucking stupid

>>105793573
I'm shocked and impressed that such a well-grounded post exists on /g/. The ultimate /thread

>>105828460
It's really cool, when I plug a HDMI to displayport cable in the wrong way to my 250x to have the fans spin up and even the CPU fan go speeeen speeeeeen like the cozy 2080 Ti girl on an old HP system. It's undeniably cool.

You might say, why would he plug the cable in the wrong way? I say. Why would I label cables....I'm not made of time!

>>105828504
back to redd*t

>>105826555
Why not? Give me some reason to hope

>>105793567
Based