M5/M6 rumors edition

https://www.macrumors.com/2025/07/03/future-mac-identifiers/

>Apple
ngmi

>>105798484 (OP)
WHY HASNT TIM ANNOUNCED A NEW OPRA SHOW ON APPLE TV LATELY?

>>105798484 (OP)
Another marginal update to the Apple Silicon when M1 is still all anyone needs.

>>105798687
Those 10-15% performance boosts per generation add up after a few generations.

I'm in the market to buy a M4 (upgrading from M1 which has served me well so far), but I'll be waiting until fall to see if and how they will announce the M5.

>>105798701
>Those 10-15% performance boosts per generation add up after a few generations.
Most of that was just clock speed increases, though.

>>105798715
Benchmarks all show the same performance increases across different workloads and use cases.

M5 will probably be twice as fast as the M1, if not faster.

>>105798715
which was only possible because the new chip could do the same things using less power, so you can bump the frequency without losing battery life or having increased heat output

>>105798807
Reduced process size saves power.
Bump frequency to hit same power envelope.

>>105798786
I guess what I am kinda getting at is that it is like the Lake generations of Intel were you saw marginal real increases per generation.
They had a really good initial release with the M1 (though it was built strongly off their mobile processor experience) and they're just milking it each year release a marginal upgrade in order to refresh most of their product line which doesn't really need it.

>>105798893
Of course they're product refreshes. Just like literally any other company that makes electronics.

You don't need a new laptop every year. But if you upgrade after 4-5 years you have options. Latest or greatest vs cheaper older gen.

>>105798484 (OP)
I just want m5 pro 64gb/1tb for $3000, why apple is so greedy and doing 48/512 base shit models?

>>105798687
>m1
>no armv9
>no nested virtualization
>no hardware av1 decoding
>no raytracing

M1 is e-waste at this point

there is no equivalent to macs

macs have:
>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 years
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replace
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen times
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcam
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flights
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware accelerators
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keys
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs

>keyboards with 63.5% failure rate
unheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"
just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any good
this list goes on forever
there's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter books
they are one of the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones

>there are rumors of a "cheap" macbook that will use an A18 chip from iphones instead of the M chips
Alright, guess how many specs and features will they cut.

>>105800064
Buy an ad

>>105800369
Magsafe is an easy bet

>>105800369
only one type-c port, no headphone jack, no separate desktop on external monitor support (only mirroring)

>>105798484 (OP)
>>105798687
>>105798701
>>105798786
>>105799481
buy a toilet iJeet
your currynigger fruit shit toys still cant beat even an N95 budget turd from intel

will upgrade from comfy m1 to m6/m7. since they have like 5-10-15% gains per generation (depending on benchmark scope) - that 6-7 years wait seems to produce the most benefit and will be 2-2.5x upgrade all together. maybe they'll even get rid of fucking notch by that point.
i doubt in near 10-15 years there will be any significant breakthrough in performance and efficiency seen from migration intel>apple silicon.

>>105800730
how many decades will it take curryniggers at apploo to catch up to celerons from last decade?

>>105801008
>complaining about Apple when Microsoft is 10 times more Indian and India worships Linux
Anon...

>>105801079
do you even know who took the first street shit at One Infinite Loo to christen the opening of Crapple?

all i want is a macbook air with a refresh rate above 60hz

>>105798484 (OP)
New Mac Pro with hardware ray tracing?

>>105801008
Does it really matter if it can run without a fan and have a battery that lasts 15 hours? Why do I want my cpu to be 2 micrseconds faster if it's already faster than most comcercial laptops and I can actually use it without having it plugged 24/7

>>105801540
>fagbook
lol
lmao even

>>105801714
>w-w-w-who cares if all i can do is done better on a chromebook with a better screen, and a better keyboard, and a better battery, and non-soldered components, and a real OS like linux
do the needful street shitter

>>105801714
>Does it really matter if it can run without a fan
POO IN LOO

>>105798484 (OP)
Macsisters, how do we respond without geting mad?

New to mac I don't like that new coming glass look, how can I customize icons and looks? Like mixing older and newer ones

>>105801727
> Chromebook
> Batter battery
If my laptop can't run anything other than 2008 paint ofc the battery will be better, I'm talking about something a working man needs, what chromebook model are you talking about.

>>105801740
Literally only happens if your pc is under full load, what apps are you running that use even more than 10% of your CPU? the only time this would happen is if you're running games on your mac which lol, that's what consoles are for.

>>105801867
>I'm talking about something a working man needs,
your $2000 currynigger shitbook cant even beat a $5 ewaste intel N95
street shit harder iJeet

>>105801814
DELET THIS

>>105801894
Youre pulling this out of your ass anon, the competition is not even close, the only best option is the Microsoft We Read Your Screen Pro 2024 which sure, go ahead.

>friendly apple general
>friendly
>retarded schizo negro who has nothing better to do with his time but completely shit up every thread merely mentioning fruit company™ shits up thread of e
which the point is to FRIENDLY discuss apple products
>not one post talking shit about linux or windows or any other J shenanigans
>the only general that isn't allowed to exist
>/fwt/ and /fglt/ are allowed to exist without problem
i hate this unfunny faggot. the spam isn't even up to date.

>>105798484 (OP)
I've never owned an apple product (minus a lightning to AUX adapter for my friends riding shotgun).
I'm in the market for a new laptop and I'm currently running a T540p with Debian.
There's a few dealbreakers for me:
>Keyboards feel like cardboard compared to my old ThinkPad's keyboard
>No numpad
and that's just about it.
Anyways, I want to dip my toes and see what Macs are like. What should I get if I have no prior experience with MacOS and if I'm not really comitted (=as cheap as possible while getting a good look into it)?

>>105802044
This, I am an certified apple hater, still, friendly generals should always stay FRIENDLY. But holy shit, the apple shilling and spam outside this general is killing the board so I can understand that guys frustration with this.

>>105798484 (OP)
>pro is already highway robbery
>mini and air have upgrades cost both kidneys but the base versions are a really good deal if you need something basic
>… therefore we will release a poorfag air / mini version with iphone cpu so we can jack prices on air/mini with M cpus because we really fucking hated upgrading ram to 16gb and not charging $200 for the privilege
I ought to just sell everything except iphone

>>105802145
Nothing apple sells is cheap, the best you can get is a very old MacBook on ebay to try the OS at first, and then go to an apple store to try their latest model, the old mac keyboard was shit so don't get discourged by that. Keep in mind nothing will ever compare to a thinkpad keyboard, however the new macs are an improvement over their older models you might find secondhand.

>>105802351
This is super extreme itoddler cope but if you keep everything on their cloud (that you have to pay anyway if you have an iphone) you don't really need the models with a lot of storage, apple has good ram management even without swapping so anything above 8gb is good enough. The fact that mbs are valued more than pure gold by mac is insane tho its their most jewish they have ever been.

>>105802145
>What should I get if I have no prior experience with MacOS and if I'm not really comitted
Used/second hand/refurbished/etc M1 machine. Either a Mac Mini for desktop (tho it's not the proper macOS experience without a proper Apple keyboard), or (better) a MacBook Air or Pro.

I got a used MBP (base specs with 8gb ram, 256gb ssd) for around $400 some months ago. Great machine, especially for that price. You might be able to find an Air in that price range (M5 is probably being announced this fall), which should be good for every day tasks and light to medium IT work. And more than good enough to get familiar with the device, OS and ecosystem.

I wouldn't recommend getting any older Intel CPU machines, those suck.

>>105802044
It sucks. The "haha apple bad / overpriced garbage / pajeetware / 99% of computers dont have this" memes are slightly funny at first, but it gets old really fast. Adults can't even behave in a friendly thread baka

>>105803167
>haha apple bad / overpriced garbage / pajeetware / 99% of computers dont have this" memes
its not a meme this is objectively true

>>105802453
>>105803167
So I should just get a used M1 macbook? Is the Pro worth it over the Air? I do a lot of programming both and university stuff.
An Intel macbook was off the table anyways.

>>105803581
First anon, M1 is too shit to pay for, get M2 or later, if you want to test it out first (and you have the money to spare) buy a super cheap intel macbook to feel out the OS, and go to an apple store and dick around with one of their devices on display. If you like it then go for a cheap m2 air. Usually the Pro is overkill for most tasks unless youre planning to run heavy games on it. You can also resell the old intel u bought or use it for parts, if it's still in their return program you might get a 30 usd discount if you hand it over to apple

>>105803581
What kind of programming do you do? Languages, frameworks, IDEs, how many Docker containers or equiv to run it etc?

For my base MBP I'm comfortably running PhpStorm with a handful of Docker containers alongside Chrome (which is reportedly quite a hog compared to Safari), where it only then starts to swap (with 8gb ram), but never impacting the performance in a noticeable way.

I'm also not even sure my MBP even has fans since I literally never heard them yet. Honestly my main gripe with this machine is that it's so efficient at preventing and/or dissipating heat, that it's sometimes too cold to use on my lap while working, especially in colder months.

>>105803619
An M1 is absolutely fine. Each generation is only 10-15% better than the last. It's the switch from Intel x86 to Apple Silicon ARM where the boost was super significant.

Sure get a M2 if you find a cheap listing, but it's not worth disregarding the M1 (even in 2k25 with the M5 almost coming out).

>>105803621
Apple is too aggressive with their swapping, continiously using the 8gb of memory will destroy your (soldered) ssd in a 2 or 3 years, luckily around the time apple introduces a new macbook, so perhaps you don't mind making the change for a few extra bucks

>>105803643
M1 was arguably the beta model for their sillicon chips, M2 was a massive improvement on the problems the M1 had and the rest have been incrementally decreasing improvements, but the jump from M1 to M2 is too big to ignore

>>105803619
>Usually the Pro is overkill
Getting the pro is a must if you need more ports or live in arid or tropical zones where the passive cooling of the air isn't enough (seriously fuck apple for doing this).

>>105803619
I'm a Linux guy so I assume it's going to be easy to adapt to the OS (I'm using gnome right now). I want to experience the real deal so I'm apprehensive about buying an intel model.
I haven't checked the prices for intel models, but ARM Macbooks start at 500€ for b-stock M1 with 16GB of RAM and 256GB SSDs.
>>105803619
>Languages
C, Go, Dart, TeX
>frameworks
Flutter, LaTeX (not strictly a framework)
>IDEs
VSCode with 10 to 15 add-ons
>Docker containers or equiv
LXC Containers with Incus, but if I need to use containers at all I switch over to my Desktop (Ryzen 5000, 128GB RAM, RTX 4070, multi TB space) because that's above the pay-grade of a laptop in my humble opinion.
>Honestly my main gripe with this machine is that it's so efficient at preventing and/or dissipating heat, that it's sometimes too cold to use on my lap while working, especially in colder months.
I don't often use my laptop on my lap, only when I can't find a table. I'm built wide and have problems with placing even a 15" laptop on my lap such that it is stable and doesn't plop down between my feet. I would have to be able to sit like a woman if I were to place a 13" laptop on my lap.
>>105803652
So I should get at least a 16GB model or either backup my shit every few days or not place important data on it at all?
>>105803681
What did the M2 do better than the M3?
>>105803705
I'm in Central Europe, we just had our hottest days in years but that's over for this year. I don't use many ports, sometimes one or two USB slots at most. Is having a fan the only difference between them otherwise?

>>105803705
>more ports
Just get a dongle, you have to buy one anyway regardless of what macbook you get

>passive cooling of the air isn't enough
I don't think thats how it works

The benefits of the pro are minimal compared to the difference in price:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/fanless-vs-active-cooled-m2-how-does-apples-cpu-fare-in-the-new-macbooks#

>>105803746
>Is having a fan the only difference between them otherwise?
The air has a worse screen (LCD vs OLED) and can only have the base Mx chip and 16/24 GB of RAM. Also not having a fan means that the laptop will throttle and slow down the moment you reach a specific temperature, which can happen when you do something demanding or even by simply being in a hot place.

Do you guys think M4 already achieves what 95% of users want? Even in a MBA it barely breaks a sweat when doing a bunch of shit simultaneously. Wonder how they will market the M5 because "10% faster" isn't going to sell anyone but the annual upgraders. M6 + OLED will though.

>>105803619
>>105803581
>>105803167
>>105802453
>>105803816
your JEETPU can't even beat an i3 from a decade ago iJeet
you're not fooling anyone

>>105803746
>ARM Macbooks start at 500€ for b-stock M1 with 16GB of RAM and 256GB SSDs
That's actually a pretty good price for 16GB of RAM. If you can deal with storing most of the stuff you work on in the cloud (eg github) and local media on an external drive or NAS, then 256GB should be sufficient.

>>105803816
Honestly a base M1 Air (and a PS5 for gaming) achieves what 95% of users (talking about general computer users) want. If you want a gaming rig, buy a gaming rig instead. MacBooks are for getting shit done on. If you're a power user using expensive professional industry standard software, a M2 Pro or anything newer will be sufficient, assuming adequate RAM and SSD space for your workflows.

If they release a m5 mac mini this year will the base have tb5? I don't want to pay for m(x) pro just for that if I don't have to

>>105803746
>I assume it's going to be easy to adapt to the OS
Not really, the only real similarity is being unix based, but theres a lot of quirks and workflows that are mac exclusive that if you don't learn and use the experience will be lacking, and don't carry over from using linux (and btw, apple charges you to customize ur os).

> I want to experience the real deal so I'm apprehensive about buying an intel model
your best option is to go to one of their stores and tought their pcs for a while

>LaTeX
You should use this one online instead of local, getting it to work is a pain in the ass and is always bloated as hell

>I switch over to my Desktop
SSH is your best friend

>I would have to be able to sit like a woman if I were to place a 13" laptop on my lap
Ugh, the mighty polish frame is fearsome and and awe inducing to the simple western european twink

>So I should get at least a 16GB model or either backup my shit every few days or not place important data on it at all?
Yes to all, apple (((conveniently))) offers you an already integrated cloud service (iCloud) for that, otherwise use any other cloud storage provider you want, or set up your own with syncthing.

>What did the M2 do better than the M3?
The m3 is slightly faster than the m2, but the m3 also overheats more often, and the benefits are noth worth the price change as much as they are when going from m1 to m2

>or even by simply being in a hot place.
They throttle after 100c degrees, if your computer is not being fried under the sun this should not happen "just by being in a hot place"

>If you want a gaming rig, buy a gaming rig instead
A computer should be able to run games thoughbeit, modern gaming doesn't rely on consoles anymore and paying 500 eur for a toy should be criminal after a certain age. Macbooks sucking extreme ass at running games is undoubtedly a con.

>>105800064
>>105801540
>>105803167
>>105798687
Yeah I still see quite a bit of activity on hackintosh places now. I used to run it from 2015 to 2016, about a whole year, it was neat.
I'm just not thinking of spending like 700 eurobucks on an M4 mac mini where I cannot install windows on the side just in case, so I'd have to rely on a subscription to parallels, plus only 256gb of storage. It seems idiotic to me. I don't particularly care about efficiency on a fucking desktop.
There's some Zen 3 miniPCs out there that can still be hackintoshed, still very popular and affordable too.

>>105801894
>>105798893
>>105802044
>>105803581
>>105803643
Here's my quick setup for doing development
>xcode (has compilers you need)
>homebrew
>oh-my-zsh
>git
>vscode
>magnet
>browser of choice
Then install whatever languages, version managers, etc.

>>105803874
>A computer should be able to run games thoughbeit, modern gaming doesn't rely on consoles anymore and paying 500 eur for a toy should be criminal after a certain age. Macbooks sucking extreme ass at running games is undoubtedly a con.
That's bullshit and you know it. Modern AAA games require a dedicated GPU, and are often not even optimized for Apple hardware in the first place. Stop grasping straws.

That being said, indies and older supported titles on medium quality settings tend to run perfectly fine.

>>105801079
>>105801814
>>105802351
>>105803789
>>105803619
>blah blah blah
if there was an 11" apple silicon laptop I woulda bought it instead

>>105803903
>oh-my-zsh
Honestly, switch to fish shell. Sensible defaults out of the box, and configuring it is way more comfy.

>>105803903
>>105800547
>>105800411
>>105799481
>>105801079
I'm a fan of smaller phones and was sad to see no new mini options, but that said the non-max 15 isn't that bad. I bit the bullet and picked up a 15 pro, and so far it hasn't been terrible.

>>105803907
Why are you shilling so hard? are they paying you?

>>105800547
>>105799562
>>105801008
>>105803167
>>105803262
I'm staying on Catalina and iOS 14 because I refuse (((CSAM scanning)))

Once the Framework 16 is out I'm leaving Apple for good

>>105801561
>>105800411
>>105803619
they're different in that they're phone toy CPUs designed and marketed to brainless niggers as being 100x superior to real CPUs, when in reality the exact opposite is true

>>105800064
>>105803903
How the fuck do I stop my MacBook switching my monitor on randomly at night?
Even better, how do I disable the external monitor without disconnecting it?
Basic things on this computer are like pulling teeth.

>>105803903
>>105801008
>>105800547
Opinions on the iPad Mini 6th Gen? I heard the screen quality is somewhat underwhelming, I'd mainly use it for study, reading and web browsing on the go. How bad is the screen "jitter" people are describing actually?

>>105801993
>>105803869
>>105803958
>>105798893
How good of a DE is Aqua really compared to Windows and stuff like KDE and GNOME?
Would you buy a Mac just for the desktop environment?

>>105803853
I'll consider it then.
This one: https://www.ebay.de/itm/167584509403
Any good?
>>105803874
>Not really, the only real similarity is being unix based, but theres a lot of quirks and workflows that are mac exclusive that if you don't learn and use the experience will be lacking, and don't carry over from using linux
Bummer. As long as it is not overly autistic it'll be fine I guess.
>and btw, apple charges you to customize ur os
what. I don't think I need to pay a buck every time I change my wallpaper, what changes do they charge for?
>your best option is to go to one of their stores and tought their pcs for a while
>tought
Do what now
>You should use this one online instead of local, getting it to work is a pain in the ass and is always bloated as hell
I use it within VSC, it's running pretty alright on there on my 11 year old thinkpad. Is it so much different from using it on Linux?
>SSH is your best friend
That's what I said.
>Ugh, the mighty polish frame is fearsome and and awe inducing to the simple western european twink
Kek. Poland is eastern europe and twinkish, I'm in Germany.
>Yes to all, apple (((conveniently))) offers you an already integrated cloud service (iCloud) for that, otherwise use any other cloud storage provider you want, or set up your own with syncthing.
That's gay. I'm building my own private cloud right now anyways, I'll just attach a network drive and call it a day. Does Apple support iSCSI?
>The m3 is slightly faster than the m2, but the m3 also overheats more often, and the benefits are noth worth the price change as much as they are when going from m1 to m2
So M2 it is?
>They throttle after 100c degrees,
I sometimes use it outside, but nothing too serious.
>A computer should be able to run games thoughbeit
I don't intent on ever gaming on it, my PC can handle all games I'm interested in. Pic rel is the CPU in my laptop, bing bing wahoo on the go is not something I expect to ever do lmao.

>>105803912
>>105803903
>>105802044
>>105800411
>>105802145
The desktop environment is the most painful part of Mac OS for me. Like modern GNOME, it is very dogmatic and insists you do things its way. There are a ton of extensions out there which can make things, but they tend to be buggy and are often paid apps.
At least it's mostly consistent, unlike Windows or Linux which are a mishmash of decades of styles, unfortunately it's just consistently shit.

>>105801740
>>105803869
What basic workflows are you running into problems with? I have plenty but I'm trying to find ways to make it more palatable. For example dragging files or dirs into upload prompts immediately navigates to the directory. It's not a solution but its an improvement.

>>105803262
>>105798786
>>105798484 (OP)
>>105803923
do apple scan my photos in icloud?

>>105803903
>>105803581
>>105803939
i deleted macOS bcs it weny crazy,only macOS was 238 GB so i delete it i wanted to install it again but it is stopping at 2 minutes .

when i open diagnosis there is 1 error code : 4MEM/9/40000000 0x866e9918

someone know how to fix it ?

thx for help

ps i know there is error with ram

mamy Mac :MacBook pro 2011 15’

8gb with ssd

god i fucking hate macshit

So I just bought a 2021 macbook pro. m1 max chip, 32gb of memory and a 1tb ssd. I'm using 300gigs of that storage so far.
I migrated my previous macs storage which was a 2014 16gb memory, and 1tb ssd over to the new one.IT was having lots of issues with speed as well. I loaded up a fresh instance of Reason 10, and began making a new song. As the session gets bigger I'm noticing more lag happening when scrolling around.
From my understanding these macs are supposed to perform exceptionally well, but mine isn't so much.
I'm also experiencing some slow downs recording with pro tools, and logic pro as well. The cpu ran around % 140, threads at 170, and idle wakeups at 2966.
Not sure how to interpret this info
I'm wondering if instead of migrating my old mac over with all the files, if I should start my new mac fresh, and download everything again with a clean slate. Idk if some files could be causing this slow down so maybe that could help, but with 32gb, and the chip I shouldn't be having these issues.

>>105803999
Checked. I'd be more concerned if it scans my pictures on my devices. I've got nothing to hide, but I'm not willing to share my or my gfs privates with anyone either.

>>105798484 (OP)
I have a 2020 MB pro, 13.3 inch display with 10.14.6, with a 2.9 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB MHz DDR3, with a 1TB Solid State Drive. Lately it has been slow and shuts down and takes time to restart. I plan to use it until it dies and have been looking for something else for the future but man man 2000-4000 is a lot of $$$. Why cant macbooks last more than three years?

>>105798535
My brand new Macbook Pro 16”s external display doesn’t work when lid closed. It was working until yesterday. When I closed lid, my monitor says "The current input timing is not supported by the monitor display. Please change your input timing to 1920x1080@60hz or any other monitor listed timing as per the monitor specifications.""

Found a Homebrew solution helped, but after a restart the problem FUCKING REAPPEARS AHGAIN FUCK YOU BLOWJOBS THIS SHIT DOES NOT JUST WORK

Battery replaced in 15" late model 2015 MB Pro, the question mark icon in a file appears upon booting up, what can I do to get the computer to boot up properly? Does the apple gestapo spy on every part you replace on these things?

>>105801981
>>105803975
I'm try Macbook Pro Retina 12 inch 2015 update from Big Sur
I try to do it from the system and it just gives me endless little moving dots
I try to do it from the app store and I get an unending message "finding update"
It doesn't find it. Keeps trying!
Is it not possible to update this OS on this mac????

>>105804033
Not to be snarky, but my 11 year old ThinkPad cost me 200 bux and runs fine minus the battery and the outdated as fugg screen. I wouldn't even ditch it if iJeets wouldn't shit up the internet with useless bloated as fuck javascript that brings it to its knees.

>>105803705
I'm trying to transfer from my old iMac (Catalina OS) to a new MacBookPro & I can't get any further than selecting my old iMac. Migration Assistant on the new computer sees my old iMac, but when I select it the "Transfer information to this Mac" keeps spinning "Checking iMac". I've done all the updates for the old mac, and both are using the same wifi network, but I can't get any farther than the spinning. It's all so tiring.

>>105803975
> I need to pay a buck every time I change my wallpaper, what changes do they charge for?
Most basic stuff is free, but stuff you get used to on linux is not:
> custom launcher besides their default
> custom animated wallpapers
> some useful widgets menu buttons
> custom icons
> theming the entire os like the top bars in apps (you can do this for free but it can break)

>Do what now
Touch, their versino of live booting their os is having a plugged and running laptop at all of thir stores so you can try them

>Is it so much different from using it on Linux?
No not really, I just use it online because I hate how much space it takes on my machine for no reason

> Does Apple support iSCSI?
No, sorry, you might have to pay for this (apple's entire culture is based around their users being too retarded to do anything and just paying their problems away, and developers taking advantage of them, so you will find a lot of things like this behind paywalls, you can also get an open source free solution but it is more prone to breakage)

>So M2 it is?
NotFinancialAdvice, but yes

>I sometimes use it outside, but nothing too serious.
MacBooks natural ecosystem is inside a reasonably chilly cafe or starbucks, that's where they work best.

>>105798715
>>105798701
I am unable to connect my Wacom CTL-472. CTL-672 tablet to Mac book pro 13. I have followed all the instructions given. My security settings still prevent the software loading. Windows PC had no issues, even my linux machine just plug and played.

>>105803958
>>105798687
>>105798535
>>105803874
>>105803920
>macbook pro
It's 100% a heating issue, buy a laptop fan table and thermal pads.

>>105803262
Not on older gear no, but newer M2 supposedly have component serials and soldering new parts would require NAND update.

>>105801840
>>105798807
>>105800730
>>105798484 (OP)
>>105801540
Is it worth switching from Linux to Mac OS?

>>105803869
>>105798807
i left MacOS for Linux because they depreciate libraries indiscriminately. i'd probably still daily-drive a mac if my audio plugins worked or we had proper first-party Vulkan drivers. as is, Linux is somehow the more stable development target (which should be saying something)

I have a MacBook Pro late 2011 running on Sierra (10.12.6) which was working perfectly fine until a few weeks ago, where it started to refuse waking up from sleep mode every now and then. Or perhaps it has problems going into proper sleep mode, since I can still hear the fan running very slowly in such case, even though screen remains black. The only option in such case is to wait until the battery is empty and plug it again, only then does the start button have an effect. Battery seems in good shape, it still runs for hours when computer is awake. I did an SMC and NVRAM reset, ran the startup diagnostics, nothing really helped. I tried to reinstall the current OS (10.12.6) but the process got stuck 16s before the end to be precise, the longest 16s ever... so I aborted. Why the FUCK cant macshit ever just work?

>>105803643
While migrating from Outlook 2019 for Mac to Mac Contacts, I notice the Birthday and Anniversary Fields do not move over to Contacts. Is there a way to force this or do I manually have to go and add the dates? Contacts do have the Birthday and Anniversary Fields so not sure why this won't import properly. Is Tim Cock trolling me?

>>105802044
>>105803903
>>105800547
What's the point of installing OSS or FOSS software on fully proprietary hardware and operating system? I don't get it, you only want Apple to spy on u? Simply use freeware and move on.

>>105804098
>AAAAH appoo post on MY /g/ ?
> jarvis, spam their threads, now!
Rope yourself, neet

>>105804105
>i left MacOS for Linux because they depreciate libraries indiscriminately
My brother in Linus, that's not a reason to switch from MacOS to Linux, "Linux" (GNU / Freedesktop / Redhat) is guilty of doing so as well:
https://blog.hiler.eu/win32-the-only-stable-abi/
>>105804068
Nothing of that is something I value, really.
As long as I can see
>temps
>battery
>ram + cpu + network util
>time + date
at the top of my screen and have an automatic dark by dusk mode, I'm set.
>Touch
I'll take a look, but I shouldn't expect that level of performance from an older one, right?
>No not really, I just use it online because I hate how much space it takes on my machine for no reason
It's ~8GB for the full install and less than 1GB for a bare minimum. I've used up more space for a lot less. Unrelated but the Collatz-Conjecture is true to up to ~8,6e9.
>No, sorry, you might have to pay for this
Fug. What about NFS?
>NotFinancialAdvice, but yes
Noted
>MacBooks natural ecosystem is inside a reasonably chilly cafe or starbucks, that's where they work best.
Kek.

>>105801993
>>105798687
How do I get battery stats like Androids?

Coming over from Android I’m used to being able to see which app has consumed exactly how much battery it’s drained since my last full charge to %100.

There’s two problems with iOS for me:
1. Inability to see battery usage since last full charge
2. Battery stat percentage for apps compare drainage against battery lost, rather than total battery available. So if I charge my phone to 100 and use safari until my battery is drained to 80, stats will show safari has used like 95ish% give or take (excluding background app usage) this percentage comes from comparing usage against battery lost rather than total available battery.

Do ex-Android users know what I’m talking about?

It's not what you're looking for but trying tapping on the battery level and activity graphs. It allows you to immediately auto-filter the data. If no selection is made it will present the entire timespan

>>105803705
That doesn’t fix the problem. Battery percentage ratios compares every app that uses battery up against each other in that time frame and calculates the ratio of which apps uses the most battery WITHIN the ratio of battery spent ONLY and doesn’t account for battery available. What is not clear?

>>105803853
>>105798715
I know that all browsers on iOS are secretly Safari underneath, but what I found out recently is that Apple finally allowed browser extensions on iPhone. Obviously all ad blockers seem to be paywalled. Are there any non faggy blockers that work and can be bought without subscription?

>>105803816
>>105798687
>>105800573
The best operating system is definitely Arch Linux. It's got the best performance, stability, and customization options. Plus, it's got a huge community that's always improving it. It's not for noobs though, you need to know your stuff if you want to use it. But if you do, it's the best thing you'll ever use. Windows and macOS are for kids and people who can't handle the power of Arch.

>>105798687
>>105804051
>>105798807
>>105798701
>>105803621
Use the AdGuard extension with AdGuard DNS profile settings
It's the free version of what the paid app does, anything that doesn't get caught by the extension is caught by the DNS filters
>91429885
GPT post, make sure to ignore

>>105803974
>>105803869
>>105803874
>>105804051
Can you guys work well on a 14” MBP? How well does having two windows open at the same time work for you?
I’ve never had a <15.6” screen, and definitely not at such a large resolution.

>>105804059
>>105800369
>>105802044
ever since getting a macbook porn isn't fun anymore

is it something with the display?
am i gay now?

>>105804216
>but I shouldn't expect that level of performance from an older one,
Correct, but remember, the differences between the m chips isn't that much, only for m1 to m2 (if anything)

>What about NFS?
yes, v3 and v4

>>105803975
>>105801540
>>105803167
>>105798484 (OP)
>can't use apple keychain on edge on macos
>safari has no good adblockers and shitty devtools
annoying as fuck desu. What is the best adblocker for safari? is magnet still the best tool for windows tiling? How to extend crossover trial?

>>105804013
>>105798687
You can subconsciously detect them scanning your screen and sending it to the authorities. It takes the fun out of it

>>105802145
>>105803262
My 2014 rMBP has been running horribly so I ran intel power gadget and it's spiking up to 100C just watching a 1080p YT video. No fucking wonder. Gonna tear it down and do a full clean and repaste holy shit. Worst yet it doesn't even show the temp that high in smcfancontrol only on the intel app

>>105803945
>CSAM scanning
only applies to shit you upload to icloud, same as any other cloud provider like gdrive or one drive, because they're legally responsible for the shit they host for you

>>105799562
Outside of M1, has Apple implemented nested virtualization within the Apple-provided virtualization layer?

>>105798807
>>105803939
>>105803975
>>105803705
>>105801993
I'm not a troll, seethe harder.
4 firefox tabs open, also no firefox runs without emulation on these macs. 6.26gb of ram used, no other app being used. If I start working on this machine it will easily go above 8gb. I;m returning it because i'm sure with the amount of swap ram it will die in 3 years. I'm going to get a 16gb windows laptop

>>105798715
>>105803621
>>105801981
>>105799481
>>105800547
the 11gb used total 3 swap is just opening my daily apps. When i start loading my files into the apps it goes to 11 swap. I'll post picture later, I don't have the files here since I moved them back to my desktop. The reason I posted is because apple is counting on swap to make up for the lack of memory on base models. Buying a used one in a few years could mean a total board replacement in a few months.

>>105805206
yes if you upgrade to sequoia you can run nested VMs on m3 and m4 macs

>>105801008
>>105798687
>>105803766
>>105801981
What’s the best browser for ios that can do the following?

>Save images directly to Files, not Photos
>Open in new tab opens right next to the current one, not at the end
>Can quickly change tabs with one button or gesture
>Can open images full screen
>Adblock

I tried many, Brave, Safari, Chrome, and the only one to do the first 4 was Chrome, but I really hate the lack of adblock.

>>105804091
I think the battery in my 2013 15”MacBook Pro is starting to swell bros. What do?

It’s still a very capable machine for everyday use. 16gb of RAM, 4960hq, 750m, etc.

Anybody get the feeling Apple products made them stupider?

I used to be a windows/android guy but since getting into the Macbook Pro/iPad/iPhone ecosystem I find myself doing less customizations, less torrenting, and getting "under the hood" less.

help me apple bros

i bought the se 2020 last year as my first iphone and IOS gorgeous and consistent
just wish i could emulate games easier and get some of those cooler android features from before
SE 2020 screen size is small and the battery kinda sucks so i want something bigger with better battery

XR was hard to reach shit with one hand and i have big thick hands
pros cons on bigger screens?
considering the 11 or 12 series
that or the pixel because the samsung notch placement looks awkward for watching shit

>>105805206
>>105805273
Unscrew bottom cover if it is bulging, as it might crack the trackpad. Replacing one is pretty easy, just use a bit of heat or/and alcohol and an old credit card to pry it up and cut the adhesive.

>>105803975
>I'll consider it then.
>This one any good?
For 500 eur definitely, unless you _know_ you need a stronger macbook. I think it was you who said you never used mac, but wanted to give it a try (upgrading from your 4th gen intel thinkpad)? If so then yes worth it, assuming the machine still works (mein deutsch ist nicht so gut and cba translating the page).

I paid 400 eur (t. neighboring dutchfag) for mine, which has half the ram, and I would buy it (or rather, your ebay listing) again in a heartbeat if I needed another cheap m1 machine. Especially the 16gb one.

>>105803746
>linux guy
Gnome and macOS are pretty similar, unlike what others said. Menu bar at the top, dock at the bottom. First-class support for multi-finger gestures (tip: once you get your macbook, play around in the settings app. There's some underrated shit in there)

>langs/frameworks/ides/etc
Yep sounds fune. Idk what lxc containers and incus is, but if it's anyhting like docker it should be fine?

>16gb?
As a 8gb user who's doing dev work, it can work, but 16gb is probably better worth it if it's not too expensive.

>central europe, hottest days
My t480 actually overheated and shut down because it was over 35c in my home office room kek. Happened twice over two days, both during a work video call.

>>105806338
>First-class support for multi-finger gestures
Linux doesn't have this, it's either wayland or third party packages

> actually overheated
do you use temp control?

>>105803975
From one linux-user-switching-to-macos to another, here's a few tips in random order from the top of my head:

- You don't need paid apps. They're convenient, but not a requirement. Excluding industry software which you need for your job anyway, eg image editing, audio production, professional IDEs. You can do a lot of shit in the terminal if that's your workflow
- Get the following freeware apps to improve your desktop ux: Rectangle (better window management with keyboard shortcuts), Caffeine (allows preventing sleep with a toggle in the tray), Ice (menu bar manager, collapses trays), iTerm (de facto term emu), OnyX (OS utils like CCleaner/cleanmymac, but free), OrbStacker (lightweight docker desktop replacement, personal fav)
- If you're not married to chrome or firefox, don't disregard safari. It's heavily optimized to run on apple hardware, especially compared to chrome
- Get homebrew asap. Better yet, install the above apps as casks with homebrew
- Personal fav, use fish over bash/zsh
- You don't need an iphone/airpods etc and hook yourself into the apple ecosystem, unlike what others tend to say. I use google for everything (mail, calendar, notes, pixel phone, chrome, pixel buds) and everything works fine in conjunction a macbook.

>>105806388
I use wayland on gnome (ubuntu), but finger gestures (including two finger scrolling) feel so much smoother on a macbook.

>overheat
Idk, using stock ubuntu. It was in clamshell mode connected to my dock tho.

>>105806422
>- Get homebrew asap. Better yet, install the above apps as casks with homebrew
stop shilling this broken garbage

>>105806441
Stop whining. Homebrew works fine. Sounds like a user error and/or a skill issue.

>>105806456
it's broken mess

>>105806475
>source: trust me bro

>>105806231
The OS and all software just works and doesn't get in your way. You don't have to waste time tinkering with config files or broken setups, meaning you can spend your time doing productive things instead. For me, that's what counts. Ymmv

>>105802044
this has been happening for years, we genuinely can not have an apple thread outside of the wwdc sticky

>>105801981
>>105804404
not worried about the NSA, i'm brazilian.
I will use orion and will use those apps you suggested. I had Express VPN as I don't have any crypto, but i'll also look into that. thank you very much, again.

>>105805206

the biggest problem for me is the file system
i've never used ios but i was shocked at how stupid they've made it compared to win, macos, or even android.
having to share files from one app to another app, insane. and they honestly claim it can replace a laptop? lol

>>105804385
Alright, thanks!
>>105806338
>unless you _know_ you need a stronger macbook
I don't know
>I think it was you who said you never used mac, but wanted to give it a try (upgrading from your 4th gen intel thinkpad)?
Correct
>If so then yes worth it, assuming the machine still works
It works, its just full of scratches and dings from what the offer is saying.
>I paid 400 eur (t. neighboring dutchfag) for mine
That's a good price. Also stop hogging the left lanes when you're back in Germany. Stay on the right and ONLY if you want to pass another car and the lane left of you is clear you move to overtake. Absolute speed is irrelevant to this, only your relative speed to others. Sorry, too many dutch plates going 100 on the left lane lately. kek.
>(tip: once you get your macbook, play around in the settings app. There's some underrated shit in there)
I think I'll miss the nipple the most.
>Idk what lxc containers and incus is, but if it's anyhting like docker it should be fine?
Faster, bare-metal containers.
>16gb is probably better worth it if it's not too expensive.
8GBs are more expensive right now.
>My t480 actually overheated and shut down because it was over 35c in my home office room kek. Happened twice over two days, both during a work video call.
Damn. My T540p just yawned at it, my Desktop didn't even notice (water cooling).

>>105806422
>Excluding industry software which you need for your job anyway, eg image editing, audio production, professional IDEs
I don't use any.
>You can do a lot of shit in the terminal if that's your workflow
Nice, that's my speed.
>freeware apps to improve your desktop ux
Noted
>If you're not married to chrome or firefox, don't disregard safari
Unfortunately I'm married at the hip to FireFox+uBlock.
>Get homebrew asap.
I'll have to lookup what that is.
>fish over bash/zsh
Why? I'm too deep into bash :/
>You don't need an iphone/airpods etc and hook yourself into the apple ecosystem
I'm aware. I'd be retarded to trade in my S25U for a iPhone (Apple doesn't even offer the 100€ pittance it used to for non-apple phones). I'm not yet committed, I just want to see what the fuss is all about.
>I use google for everything (mail, calendar, notes, pixel phone, chrome, pixel buds) and everything works fine in conjunction a macbook.
Question is if my Linux and Samsung shit will work on it. I don't think so lmao.

Okay then how about actual macOS 26 users ITT tell me about the new native tiling windows experience since that's one of the things that I didn't like about macOS for the longest time (even if there's third party solutions)
Too lazy to look this up too, what's the keyboard shortcuts to do that? They only said at WWDC that there are keyboard shortcuts but not exactly what they were. I'd assume it's something similar to Windows/Linux Super+Arrow Keys if not then that's dumb

>>105807602
>>105807493
>>105807463
wrong board currynigger
>>>/fa/
>>>/lgbt/

>>105801540
That would be too kino

>>105807463
>stop hogging the left lanes
Don't worry I'm a bicyclefag and don't even own a car. Everything I need and want is in walking and/or cycling distance.

Picrel my iron steed. Quality German manufacturing.

>>105807493
>what is homebrew
De facto cli package manager for macOS: https://brew.sh/

Regular 'formulae' (as they call it) are cli apps and libs. 'Casks' are an extension which is used for GUI software aka apps (like chrome, discord, spotify, steam etc). It depends on the app if updates are managed via homebrew's `brew upgrade`, or if apps do that themselves via auto update.

>too deep in bash
Yeah fair just a suggestion. I like it that's why.

>linux/samsung shit
What kind of shit?

>>105807782
>Picrel my iron steed. Quality German manufacturing
I can't believe he rides a Cube Travel Pro.
Look at that subtle black matte finish. The tasteful thickness of the aluminium frame.
Oh my GOD, it even has hydraulic disc brakes.
The way the brown leatherette saddle and grips perfectly complement the tan-wall tires. It's so harmonious.
The clean lines of the integrated rear rack. That subtle suspension fork…

Impressive.
Very nice.

>De facto cli package manager for macOS
Looks nice.
>I like it that's why.
What can it do that Bash cannot do? If it has benefits, I'll consider.
>What kind of shit?
Everything. Mail, Calendar, Notes (Got a tablet as well), Gallery, Health, etc.
I feel like Samsung has the best ecosystem and UI out of any manufacturer.
OneUI > iOS > Stock Android
In my opinion of course. I tried stock android last year because I needed a cheap phone real fast to gap that year, but it sucked so hard that I went with Samsung again.

>>105807651
>chooses last 3 posts
>blasts random insult at them
I thought botposting was illegal? MODS, DO SOMETHING YOU /FAG/S.

>>105807973
mmmwellakshually it's a cube kathmandu pro grey/black

Really fucking happy with it. Non-electric of course, because I'm not an old boomer who's allergic to healthy workouts.

>bash vs fish
I've used zsh with omz and p10k over the years, but everything I configured omz to do, fish provides out of the box for me. Ymmv. I use a lot of modern alternatives to dated unix cli tools, eg bat->cat, eza->ls, rg, fzf, jq, tldr->man, btop->top etc. https://github.com/ibraheemdev/modern-unix

No requirement by any means, but for me it fits the modern unix workflow aesthetic. YMMV

>samsung shit
Idk you'll have to try. Generally for productivity apps macOS is well supported by vendors.

>>105808025
>Really fucking happy with it. Non-electric of course, because I'm not an old boomer who's allergic to healthy workouts.
It's a nice bike.
>>105808025
>I use a lot of modern alternatives to dated unix cli tools
Looks good. I think I'll give it a try.
>Idk you'll have to try
Yeah, I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

>>105808117
Nice, good luck and enjoy. I used some old intel macbooks in the past, and they were okay. Very expensive re price/performance.

But ever since a few employers ago lent me the first m1 (just came out by then), I was absolutely sold on apple sillicon. Excellent price/performance ratio. Tim should start paying me for my shilling.

Just give it a try. If you don't like it down the road, you can resell it without too much loss, since these things hold great resale value.

>>105803621
Docker? You should give Orbstack a try.

>>105805608
Finally. I thought M2 had nested virtualization support?

>>105808734
redpill me on that, and does it occupy less space?

>>105806691
If you need it for work, you can get the standard Microsoft & Adobe applications.

>>105808734
TA, I do use OrbStack. Mainly because I'm limited by 8GB RAM, and it OS seems significantly lighter than Docker Desktop.

>>105798484 (OP)
I am using hackintosh on my 5600x and 6800 which has native metal 3 support, I like it a lot, hope the 2nm m6 or m7 will have better graphic chips I'll buy mac studio probs.

>>105808813
There are anons here who don't know about Orbstack, so it helps to mention it.

>>105808751
take a look at orbstack.dev, it's self explanatory. Free for non-corporate users.

>>105803874
Apple does not charge you to customize your OS. Some 3rd party utilities charge a nominal amount for certain utilities.

>>105806422
I'm not a fan of Homebrew. MacPorts has worked for 25 years. There's also Determinate's Nix install if you need more than MacPorts or Homebrew.

>>105809163
Are your retarded or bait?

>>105809210
Where does *Apple* charge you to customize macOS? Third party utilities are not from Apple.

>>105809223
who decides which utilies are locked behind a "dev access" paywall? Linux proves those things are possible to allow for end users to clearly at some point someone intentionally disallowed it so others could charge for it.

>>105800730
go refurbished route for an m4 meanwhile
trade in old device for appol credit that never expires

Redpill me on nix and/or macports over homebrew to install software with.

Which M chip should I get? I wanna get an Air (don't care bout throttling, just turn on the AC) But I don't wanna overpay for minimal improvements, what's the best chip per least value?

>>105811176
For what kind of workload?

>>105811222
browsing, writing, coding (docker, cloud, scripts, latex, no web dev tho, some of my scripts) it might be intensive data simulations or processing but usually in short burst stuff, otherwise i can send it to some cloud but if im already paying 800+ for a device id like to minimize cloud costs bc i underpaid on specs

>>105811275
M2/M3/M4 Air with 16/512 memory/ssd would probably be fine.

Check if you can get a used or refurbished one if money is a concern.

>>105811176
don't go M-pro/pro max/ultra variants unless you REALLY need that kind of compute performance. like another anon said - just get 16/512 config. but if u buy used - make sure to check the ssd wear coy it can be pretty bad (and u need to use third-party utilities for that). apple offers 0%-interest installments up to 24 payments, so you could actually take new air on m4 and pay it over year or two.

>>105811176
>>105811449
>apple offers 0%-interest installments up to 24 payments
Depends on country. They don't do that here in EU.

>but if u buy used
Check SSD wear like anon said. Also ask what the battery health is (if it's below 85% don't bother), and make sure the device is unlinked from their Apple account.

>>105811449
>Financial plan for a laptop
kek /biz/ tier financial advice

>>105811395
>>105811520
What's the best used mac websites on the EU? Does it depend by country? I can't imagine shipping is a problem nowadays

>>105811620
well, it's not like your buying a car or something. just go with local market whatever that might be. be sure they have some decent return policies and purchase protection. i'd also pay with paypal simply because they are much better than banks with refunds processing.

>>105811694
With local martket you mean random physical store? Theres no local market where I'm from except facebook Marketplace (which is full of scammers)

>>105809321
Here's what Claude says about your paywall utilities from Apple:

Yes, Xcode and Apple's command line developer tools are available for free to all macOS users. Here's the breakdown:

**Xcode**: Available for free download from the Mac App Store. It's Apple's full integrated development environment (IDE) that includes everything needed to develop apps for Apple platforms - iOS, macOS, watchOS, and tvOS.

**Command Line Tools**: Also free and can be installed in two ways:
- Install Xcode (which includes the command line tools)
- Install just the command line tools separately by running `xcode-select --install` in Terminal

The command line tools include essential development utilities like git, make, clang compiler, and other Unix development tools that many developers and power users need.

You don't need an Apple Developer Program membership (which costs $99/year) unless you want to distribute apps through the App Store or test on physical devices. The free tools are sufficient for learning, development, and even distributing apps outside the App Store.