Onion-bros, I don't feel well...
https://cyberinsider.com/tor/

if their own agents are using it then this is evidence in favour of it actually working you fucking idiot

>>105802385
corellation

>>105802369 (OP)
How did you make the screenshot both so big and so low quality? Anyway, the quote shows that it's working well.

>>105802385
This.
The dimwits who think TOR is compromised can never actually explain how it's compromised, just "The government made it so it's bad" before they go back to using their CELL PHONES and COMPUTERS to post on the INTERNET. Which are all government-free enterprises with none of their intervention in its creation whatsoever.

>>105802450
the average tor site lasts like 6 months

>>105802394
?????

>>105802462
The average dnm lasts longer

>>105802369 (OP)
Tor hasn't been secure for 7+ years now. You should force every user to be a middle node and these nodes should constantly send random traffic, among other basic improvements. The entire concept is grounded in the past.

>>105802394
They made it for that exact purpose, fuck do you mean "correlation"?

>>105802385
>this is evidence in favour of it actually working
>you fucking idiot
You are the fucking idiot actually. Read it again. The US runs it. So you are anonymous to everyone EXCEPT the government.

>>105802450
>The dimwits who think TOR is compromised can never actually explain how it's compromised

How about reading the article I posted?

>>105802450
This has been explained many MANY times. You are retarded. You think you're anonymous because you haven't been arrested but the CIA doesn't give a fuck about whatever silly bullshit you use it for. Now organize a hostile militia on TOR and see how fast they throw your ass in ADX Florence.

>>105802503
Exactly.
>>105802369 (OP)
This has been solved. It's called i2p.

>>105802369 (OP)
read the article in OP. Very important read!

>>105802568
That's what bridges are for

>>105802568
skill issue

>>105802369 (OP)
Can somebody please share this article in r/privacy? I want to see their reaction.

Does the CIA use Tor?

Have any of you worked for a company? As with every company, they have a lot of retards working there. So, yes, you can find employees doing almost everything. It's not evidence for anything in particular.

>>105802568
he was the only student in the school network using tor at the time and he buckled under pressure. If he just kept denying it, he might have gotten away.

>>105802818
Are you implying that federal operatives using Tor as part of their job do so because... they're retarded?

>>105802369 (OP)
tor is to connect to american websites that do not respect my privacy as an european.
that's about the only use case for this honeypot.
only a fucking moron would use it for illegal activities

>>105802568
>oh sure, let me just connect to this public network and comment some retarded shit
>what is a VPN?

>>105802369 (OP)
>>105802385
>>105802450
>>105802462
What if TOR was all along a honeypot to lure DNMs, let them grow (until they glow), then when the fruit it's in its finest state, they harvest it in the name of justice? That why drugs are still illegal, because if they were legal, it will be called theft.

What if all the fascinating stories about DNM's merchants getting caught were all along lies to hide the backdoors in TOR?

What if the successful DNMs that escaped with their heads attached were all along state-sponsored?

You think the state from its merciness provided us paths of resistance? Or it will lead us to their jaw.

Don't be naive.

>>105803043
>they harvest it in the name of justice?
In the court documents they'd still need to have some proof of guilt. They can't go to the judge and say 'We can't disclose our methods' especially since it's not a matter of national security. Even if they could do that, they never do. So DNM vendors or admins still need to screw up one way.
I hope I could educate some by responding to this obvious bait

>>105803088
Not a bait.
>In the court documents they'd still need to have some proof of guilt.
Yes, that is the job of the backdoor. When they know enough information about you (e.g. IP) they can easily find evidence.
>They can't go to the judge and say 'We can't disclose our methods'
Indeed, but they actually did:
>https://cyberinsider.com/tor#h-2017-court-case-proves-fbi-can-de-anonymize-tor-users

>I hope I could educate some by responding to this obvious bait
I hope I did the same by responding to this obvious "I didn't read, but I have an opinion".

>>105803158
>When they know enough information about you (e.g. IP) they can easily find evidence.
And for that they still require methods. The only real benefit you could have from a honeypot would be to know who you should target but Tor is used so widely for trivial and encrypted content that this would barely be any benefit.
>Indeed, but they actually did:
I heard pretty much all cases of this already so I won't even bother with your almost 10 year old link. If it's an exploit, I don't care. If it's a side channel attack, I don't care. If it has been solved by developments in Tor, I don't care. If it at best could only deanonymize you but can't break encryption, I don't care. If it isn't one of those cases, it would be something completely new that apparently everyone ignored so far and got no attention, neither by foreign countries wanting to break Tor nor by privacy activists. I highly doubt that.
Tor isn't perfect but you need better statements. If you were sincere and weren't just here to demoralize you'd also offer alternatives like I2P.

>>105802533
This.

>>105803244
>And for that they still require methods. The only real benefit you could have from a honeypot would be to know who you should target but Tor is used so widely for trivial and encrypted content that this would barely be any benefit.
That's called De-Anonymization.

>>Indeed, but they actually did:
>I heard pretty much all cases of this already so I won't even bother with your almost 10 year old link. [...]
>January 29, 2025
??
>Tor isn't perfect but you need better statements. If you were sincere and weren't just here to demoralize you'd also offer alternatives like I2P.
You need a clear lens to correct your mistakes, and by stating that pointing at TOR's problems is demoralizing and not wrong, and by stating that you don't care about the problems, you state that you refuse the truth so you can live in your imagined utopia.
>I2P
I didn't search about it enough, but it's surely better than TOR.

In the end we agree that TOR isn't what its promoted to be, be it a honeypot or bad design, anyway, it will lead to the same outcome.

>>105803394
>That's called De-Anonymization.
No, it's just a reduction of the anonymity set. Deanonymization is the complete reduction of the anonymity set to just one person (or such a small group that the rest of the members of the group are immediately outruled through simple information)
>??
You think I clicked the link? The URL says 2017.
>by stating that pointing at TOR's problems is demoralizing
You didn't. You called it a honeypot and nothing more. Then you said it's backdoored.
>you state that you refuse the truth
No, I said before that Tor is flawed but to claim it's a backdoored honeypot is simply demoralization.
>so you can live in your imagined utopia.
In which I openly advocate for better alternatives that sadly have less users?
>I didn't search about it enough, but it's surely better than TOR.
You want to lecture me on privacy networks but don't even know I2P?
>In the end we agree that TOR isn't what its promoted to be,
It's not perfect but the project never claimed it is. Tor is mainly focused on improving people's network OpSec, not perfecting it. If we extend this to the tbb I'd say it's even worse since for example JS is enabled by default and despite the quick settings still needs to be disabled in about:config. Right now, it's the best thing for normies since it's basically just done with a few clicks.
>be it a honeypot or bad design
Massive shift of goal posts, especially for a FOSS project. Most of the times the feds claim to have cracked Tor (even though they still didn't take down massive onion sites that are a net negative for them) it's something that often is solved by slightly improving the way connections are handled or by us creating nodes. The worst part of Tor is that it isn't P2P however that was a sensible trade-off and still is since their planned use case is very different.
>it will lead to the same outcome.
Not really. You can fix bad design but you can't remove the honey from a honeypot without getting your hand stuck.

>>105802450
if the feds run their own entry node, all of your traffic runs through it, encryption is only as good as its weakest link, if the site is compromised and they control the entry node you connect to, your anonymity disappears.

>cyberinsider.com

>>105802774
Or better in Dread

>>105803558
>if the site is compromised and they control the entry node
They'd just need to run the exit node (if you're connecting to the clear net) or the entry node of the onion site you're visiting. The problem most people have is that exit nodes are fairly dangerous to run, entry nodes not so much. That's why a P2P approach is way better.

>>105803508
>No, it's just a reduction of the anonymity set. Deanonymization is the complete reduction of the anonymity set to just one person (or such a small group that the rest of the members of the group are immediately outruled through simple information)
Then why use TOR if you'd glow like a firefly in a moonless night?
>You think I clicked the link? The URL says 2017.
You're retarded aren't you? So you didn't just refuse to read the post (the subject of all this thread) but you **assumed** (like you always do) that `2017' in ``h-2017-court-case-proves-fbi-can-de-anonymize-tor-users'' is about the post, not the clearly stated ``2017 court case''.

I'm not wasting more time with a dyslexic lazy retard, keep using your honeypot, maybe the CIA will send you a thanks letter.

>>105803674
>Then why use TOR if you'd glow like a firefly in a moonless night?
You won't. The site you're connecting to will know you're using Tor but that's nothing suspicious in itself. Your ISP might know you're using Tor but that's only if you don't use a bridge.
>You're retarded aren't you?
No, most journos put the year of the publishing in the URL.
>So you didn't just refuse to read the post
I pretty much responding to every line you posted. I read the vague screenshot that once again doesn't show anything concrete. That's a common tactic by the feds like that time they claimed they could deanonymize an XMR transaction but just failed to mention that it was through external data.
>like you always do
You don't know me fren
>is about the post
I assumed it's an article. Don't tell me you just sent me some random blog post.
>keep using your honeypot
That's still not what that word means
>maybe the CIA will send you a thanks letter.
That would be a 'thank you' letter. Do you mind me asking why your english is so bad if you're posting during burgerland hours? Why did you previously ask for me to concede my position but now have gone back to claim it's a honeypot when it clearly isn't and wouldn't even help them?
Why didn't they just catch pompompurin out of the blue?
Why do DNM admins only get caught after major fuck ups?
Why can sites like dread that do more harm than good for the feds still function?
Why did they need to break the law to catch Sam Bent and still require a confession from his cousin?
Why do they let projects like I2P exist if it mogs their honeypot?
Why are you so hellbent on saying 'Tor bad' without saying what's bad about it, how to improve it or tell us about good alternatives?
Why can't you even differentiate between bad design and deliberate malice when creating Tor?
Why won't you be able to answer any of these questions?
And most importantly:
When will you have fulfilled your post quota? I don't want to read your demoralization propaganda.

>>105802369 (OP)
Your site glows. I will not open it.

>>105803593
This image is actually very erotic I know people screen cap it and post it to be funny but it's actually sexy.

>>105802450
US Government had to drop two CP cases because they didn't want to disclose that they could de-anonymize people on tor.
It's more important for them to go after bigger fish than some 20 year old skid looking at illegal porn.

Okay... so what else is there other than Tor?

>>105803900
Oh you find cropped porn sexy? That's really fucking fascinating.

>>105804167
All passport photos are now banned.
Could be depicting cropped pr0n.
Everything has to be full body pictures now.

t. conservative.

>>105802568
They could applied the exact same correlation tactic had he connected from the university network to a VPN, commercial or otherwise. Is the author retarded or just a shill?

>>105803921
in that case i'll be sure to exclusively view cp via tor

>>105803921
>It's more important for them to go after bigger fish than some 20 year old skid looking at illegal porn.
This would be the majority of tor users so I don't see the issue

>>105804100
Buying a new laptop and driving to a different mcdonalds each time you want to have a goon session

>>105803921
> US Government had to drop two CP cases because they didn't want to disclose that they could de-anonymize people on tor.

RETARDED AF ALL BECAUSE OF TRUST ME BRO MENTALITY. Ed Snowy got more balls than your jeet ass. FOOL.

>>105805137
What are you seething about? These two cases happened, they aren't some conspiracy, they are part of the public record.

>>105805181
> ... they aren't some conspiracy, they are part of the public record.
proceeds to not make any proof whatsoever about claim.

>>105802385
fpbp
Silk Road is a great testament for Tor. It took them months to actually crack it. There's no other network in the world that would make a state level actor spend months trying to crack.
If anything a feel like the fedjacketing of Tor is the real psyop.

>>105805317
its just bouncing ips and they own half the nodes bros. its a fact they know everyone who uses it they just dont know for what supposedly.

>>105802503
US doesn't run it, it's decentralized.

>>105802533
That hasn't happened to anyone yet.

>>105802568
I believe a lot of what makes you trackable on Tor is timing

If you connect to the tor network, do something illegal and then disconnect they can correlate that to you.

>>105804100
I2P is the biggest alternative, I'd say.

>>105805317
>It took them months to actually crack it.
That was more on them. DPR was extremely stupid with his site.

>>105805831
>I believe a lot of what makes you trackable on Tor is timing
Yeah mostly. This would easily be countered by us running more nodes but considering that's simply up to the goodness of your heart I see why many don't do it.

public wifi + macchanger and change your hostname and timezone to maintain anonymity while using tor. Maybe look into renting a vps in Russia china etc with monero to use as a jump server into tor if youre scared of showing up on a security camera while trying to use public wifi, interpol requests take like a year and businesses usually delete sec cam footage after a month or so. Captcha - W88GR

>>105806187
>timezone
Man, that is some OLD advice

>>105806211
thats really all the fingerprinting you need to cover up if youre using a fresh os. Am I missing anything else besides browser agent?

>>105806253
Timezone hasn't been a concern for a while
>fingerprinting
Why not first disable js?