Thread 105804633

So we all know Windows has been getting worse and worse since the peak of 7. Even normies know it. They keep shitting it up, they keep ruining it. Naturally, many people will look to Linux.

But why haven't anywhere near as many people switched given how almost universal the dissatisfaction with Windows is? Because at the very same time, in parallel, Linux is constantly becoming worse.
>systemd
>wayland
>identitiy politics, tranny shit, woke
>snaps, flatpaks - more bloat, more fragmentation, worsening performance

What if they are deliberately shitting up Linux at the same time as Windows to discourage switching, to stay on the Windows plantation and keep eating shit? Because it seems like you have to eat more and more shit either way, so why go through all the dififculty of switching and learning something new if it too will be shit.

>>105804633 (OP)
Linux has always been shit so much that regular people would install it and deinstall it within 1-2 hours and never touch it again.
Windows in itself was never "easy" to use either, there used to be many "userfriendly courses" in educational institutions where you learned the basics of how to use it.

Google's Chromebooks run GNU/Linux. They once banned Windows from their work computers after a security incident.

https://www.fastcompany.com/1654831/google-hq-bans-microsoft-windows-house-after-hacking-scare

What would Google gain from sabotaging Chrome OS and getting people to stay on Windows?

>>105804651
Are you fucking stupid or just on browns?
> Linux has always been shit ...
why tf do servers then run LInux? Why are the best software being made using Linux you fucking retard.

>>105804728
> best servers linux
you're thinking of bsd

>>105804792
anon ... redpill me on why you think so

>>105804633 (OP)
Linux is just fine. No one knows wtf linux is. the ones who do are either too dumb to use a unix-like or just dont want to.
They dont know shit about systemd, whether it is new or been around since the beginning.
Same with wayland.
All techies are sheep.they just happen to be really good at tech. Thats why they are all woke as fuck
or fucked up mentally. Newbies love that useless flatpack shit. it reminds of winblows.
It doesnt help when linux does gain noobs and they are treated like shit and get no help.

>>105805029
>Newbies love that useless flatpack shit
Relying on your distro maintainers' competency and care for every piece of software you use has always been a major flaw of linux distros
Portable programs on windows are peak, you can take something made for XP, copy it onto a fully updated W11 PC and it'll just fucking work
Not saying that flatpak is perfect either, but it's a step in the right direction from being a package manager cuck.

>>105804728
Running a server is a literal fulltime job you retarded wigger. Or at least it used to be until the term devops popped up.

>>105805153
> ... you can take something made for XP, copy it onto a fully updated W11 PC and it'll just fucking work
tell me you are stupid and not pragmatic without telling me.

>>105804633 (OP)
>Linux Foundation Members
>Hitachi
based gooners

>>105805265
I accept your concession

>>105805153
>... copy it onto a fully updated W11 PC and it'll just fucking work ...
Nigger ... we ain't supposed to argue this. You know that is a lie
>>105805321
Nice try kid. This is a fucking tech board. You tryna tell me you don't understand tek?

>>105805400
beep boop

>>105805416
BOP BEEP

>>105805400
>You know that is a lie
I know that it's true because I'm not a lying, delusional lincuck that makes up pretend problems in her (male) head to justify a hobby OS

>names flatpaks as issue
>flatpak is already dead
seek amateur help

>>105804633 (OP)
Come home, white man.

>>105805495
I will gladly accept every insult other than that of being called a tranny. Don't ever use your precious time to call me a tranny. Lots of work in https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver. make the world a fucking better place.
ILY

>>105805553
trying a little too hard "anon"

>>105804633 (OP)
>Windows is shit but has all the games and engineering software for my job
>Have to 99% of things on Linux, 95% of things on Mac
>emulating games is annoying, emulating engineering programs is downright hellish
>so I'm stuck with Windows
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH I'M SO FUCKING MAD I HOPE EVERYONE AT MICROSOFT GETS FUCKING RAPED TO DEATH BY A PACK OF DOGS

>>105804696
ChromeOS has very few or no parts of GNU at all. The only thing it has in common is the kernel Linux, similar to Android.

>>105805746
>Have to 99% of things on Linux, 95% of things on Mac
What did he mean by this?

>>105805777
I forgot to write "emulate" because I was so heated

>>105804633 (OP)
you can still run linux without systemd and wayland.

>>105805795
If it's that bad install windows on an external ssd and install all your programs there, for engeneering just output/export files to your computer, games are self contained. Unfortunately being 80% of the marketshare means there's no alternative but to conform or abandon.

95% of linux code is from corporations, they took over at the beginning of the 00's. Microsoft is a major contributor in both code and money. Azure is so important now that linus torvaldsonn would accept every of Microsoft demands.

>>105805795
>I was so heated
I recommend slowing down.

>>105804633 (OP)
>buy a dirt cheap $500 mac pro
>add 2-4TB SSD thru an USB4 dock, getting you to ~2.5 GB/s
>have linux that actually works + a bunch of software linux will never have
unless you need stuff like CAD (win only) or are setting up remote servers (linux only) there's just no way fighting with the dogshit linux ecosystem is worth it

why does the underlying OS even matter in an age of VMs, docker n shit
load up a bunch of ram and things Just Work (tm) on any OS

>>105805870
compatibility layers moment

I will not call it block list allow list, primary secondary. I will not use tranny terms, I will not use tranny software.
Not sorry, it's black list white list, master slave, superior inferior

>>105805958
My favorite thing about jeets is that they seem completely fine with being treated as somewhat subhuman by wypipo like me. It's like they internalized that they're worse and don't even go crying to HR about getting their feefees hurt

>>105806009
I manage 2 h1b jeets. They worship me and do what I say. The only people I debate and butt head with are Whites, which i respect.

>>105805856
>buy a dirt cheap $500 mac pro
What cpu?

>>105806091
fugg I meant mac mini, the m4 one. no shot you're getting a mac pro at $500, they have a hefty premium and I don't think buying old ones is worth it
16GB ram seemed fairly anemic but unless you need a ton of containers or kubernetes it's more or less fine for even reasonably demanding work, which I found surprising

>>105806098
I feel like you can get an m series macbook for the same price, and has the benefits of not being tied to a monitor. Probably with the same specs

>>105804633 (OP)
Linux obeys the first law of modern technology.
Technology must always get worse.

>>105806131
not really, you want at least M2 (m1 had a bunch of issues) and you're not getting M2 pro for $500 so you're stuck with air, which is pretty underpowered for Serious Work (tm). the latest macbook air m4 is juuust barely good enough but that's ~$800 and an external SSD on a laptop is way more of a PITA than an external SSD on a mini PC

Don't forget you're mentally ill, that's your main shtick

>>105804633 (OP)
>becoming worse
>schizo conspiracies
lol
LMAO

>>105804633 (OP)
>WAYLAND
>WAYLAND
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Kill yourself faggot.
>>105806098
>dirt cheap bro
>mac mini bro
>download 1 file storage full NVME trashed
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA faggot.

linux has always sucked for everything that isn't a server machine
idk why people insist on using it

>>105805153
>you can take something made for XP, copy it onto a fully updated W11 PC and it'll just fucking work
Yeah nah. That is factually incorrect. It may work, no guarantees.

>>105806209
>It may work, no guarantees
Just like linux :)

what part of it is getting worse? debian+flatpak is literally the best duo there could be. there wasn't "just working" linux before that
or fedora, but it just depends on your taste

>>105804633 (OP)
>Linux is constantly becoming worse.
>constantly
>at the very same time
>Windows
>current major version 11 (steaming pile of garbage)
>last major version: 10 (also a steaming pile of garbage)
>major version prior to 10: 8.1 (steaming pile of garbage, slightly better than 8)
what did OP mean by this?

>>105806226
>what did OP mean by this?
Windows is a steaming pile of garbage that works.
Linux is a steaming pile of garbage that doesn't work (b-but it's open source so you can fix your drivers yourself!!)

>>105806235
>Linux is a steaming pile of garbage that doesn't work

>>105806214
Flatpaks and appimages in general are garbage that take up huge amounts of disk space, because application developers can't agree on standard libraries, which is the whole point of Linux distros.

One example, Lanraragi is for hosting a local doujin website. They need to use the homebrew program, because linux distros can't agree on what version of perl(?) to ship.

Functionality per byte of memory, windows 95 was probably the peak of computing. Everything else is brown people shitting up computers with bloated garbage

>>105806214
I think a bunch of transgenders injecting politics into projects while gnome tranny devs remove the system tray, minimize/maximize buttons, and then pat themselves on the back and say "install extensions" even though they don't work.

>>105806281
>that take up huge amounts of disk space
why the fuck does it matter when 2TB SSD cost like $100?
A single good quality bluray movie takes up more space than all the software I have on my desktop which I use for anything and everything

>>105806291
>why the fuck does it matter when 2TB SSD cost like $100?
>$100 for 2tb
>in 2025
nta. that's retarded. we can do better than this, come on. each time i purchase a new ssd i die a little inside.

>>105806298
>each time i purchase a new ssd i die a little inside
get a job

>>105806306
>get a job
I FUCKING HAVE ONE DON'T MAKE FUN OF ME I'LL

>>105806291
I have a 2x2tb ssds and they are 3/4 full
>480gb image, text, and video AI models
>324gb hydrus network self hosted booru images
>180gb self sorted porn
>135gb memes
>200gb music+videos
>400gb torrents
>600gb steam games
>200gb virtual machine disks (testing purposes only)

>>105804633 (OP)
ms and x86 can't die soon enough and kill off uefi and freetards along with them
complete apple arm supremacy

>>105804633 (OP)
I've never had problems with systemd ever and Sway works fine. Some software I use are AppImages. Arch, btw.

>>105806323
I use Fedora BTW and am 180lb

>>105806323
what does your neet collection have to do with the size of flatpaks being irrelevant in $current_year?
buy a 20TB HDD if you can't let go of your digital trash

>>105806345
>/var/lib/flatpak is 12.6gb
>/var/lib/systemdicks is 2.1gb
Combined that's bigger than a tiny windows install.

>>105806355
yes and you can fit a shitload onto a 2TB SSD
it's like those weird web people trying to optimize their javascript from 47kb to 25kb when 98% of the country has access to 4G that they use to stream HD movies

>>105806281
On my main computer I'm running macOS with Linux VMs (which are Debian+Flatpak) and it's the peak of "just works". But yeah, the disk usage is trash. 8gb just for pure Debian, KDE, and LibreWolf Flatpak
I miss the times when i accidentally installed Ubuntu on 3gb drive and i still had some space left. Now it won't even boot if you don't have some buffer left, or you will have issues, such as sound not working.

Everything is just as if the devs thought everyone in 2025 is running latest 4TB system with 64GB RAM

>>105806323
Your installation is bloated, likely ricing packages, clean-install arch and start again.

>>105804633 (OP)
Actually it's worse for linux because microsoft can at least fire all the trannies like they just did with xbox. How do you get rid of these bloodsuckers from open source?

>>105806368
>increases download size for everyone
>decreases productivity for everyone
>decreases efficiency of the internet, wasting electricity
Maybe we should all go back to pre windows 8 software.
>>105806372
At least there's still slim distros for old hardware.
>>105806373
0 ricing. Stock kernel. All standard packages, or flatpaks when they aren't available.

>>105806376
>How do you get rid of these bloodsuckers from open source?
deport them? no time to kvetch on github when they're being raped in el salvador prison

>>105806383
>>increases download size for everyone
>>decreases productivity for everyone
>>decreases efficiency of the internet, wasting electricity
oh you're one of those "outlaw plastic straws to save the planet" guys, huh?
nvm, hope things get better for you

>>105806394
>brings up irrelevant subject
Paper straws have PFAS and are worse for the environment BTW.

>>105806323
Not only does that have nothing to do with software bloat, but you're also stupid for not just buying 1x SSD and 1x 4-8tb hard drive, because about half of your data sees zero benefit from SSD speeds.

>>105806383
>increases download size for everyone
Are you on a metered connection? Stop living in the third world
>decreases productivity for everyone
No one who cares about a program being a few megabytes larger will ever do anything productive
>decreases efficiency of the internet, wasting electricity
The power and efficiency losses from training AI, twitter, shittok and allowing indians to access the internet absolutely dwarf this completely fake "issue".

>>105806383
>0 ricing.
maybe the problem is your billion megabytes of videogames

>>105804633 (OP)
>>systemd
>>wayland
>>snaps, flatpaks
Most normies do not know what that is and even if they did they wouldn't care. What's keeping normies from using Linux is that 90% of them think that it's an MS-DOS-esque commandline-only OS that's impossible to use without a PhD in computer science.

>>105804633 (OP)
>identitiy politics, tranny shit, woke
>Trans person makes something
>THIS IS BAD BECAUSE TRANNIES STOP FORCING YOUR POLITICS DOWN MY THROAT
Make better software, chud.

>>105804696
Paying less money because they can hire and abuse Indian workers.

>>105804633 (OP)
but fosstards want me to think that shitnux is ran by an independent community of volunteers aaaahhh. To answer your question, they are trying to destroy free poor fag alternatives from within so that most people move back to well established proprietary solutions. Foss is flooded with jeets anyway so it's not that big of a loss.

>>105804633 (OP)
>Linux gets worse
what the fuck are you talking about? Linux only gets better.
You people are literally nocoder retards who have never written any software whatsoever.

kys faggot.

>>105804728
Because Windows Server isn't worth the retarded per-core licensing cost. It's not even that bad of an OS honestly and its biggest problems is it's nonfree so you're at the mercy of some jeet not shipping -1^2 = -1 in your libc.

>>105804633 (OP)
>systemd
Nothing wrong with it
>wayland
It's fine for 99% of people
>flatpaks
Best and most beloved package manager? Literally nothing wrong with it. There's just a few mentally ill boomers who hate it.
>snaps
These don't exist outside of Ubuntu and even there they can be disabled. In any case, you'd use flatpak instead.
>identitiy politics, tranny shit, woke
Nobody cares. You don't have to use Twitter and Discord and interact with retards to use Linux.

>>105805153
>Relying on your distro maintainers' competency and care for every piece of software you use has always been a major flaw of linux distros
Absolutely true.

>>105804728
Unix and Unix-likes are half tolerable server systems, and absolutely abominable desktop systems.

>>105807561
It isn't true though. In winshit land you have to hope people do things the right way while a maintainer can simple reject software that doesn't do things the right way or can easily fix it themselves.

Winshit is how you ended up with winsxs being 10GiB and constantly growing. That's why UCRT and some basic libs like webview2 started being built-in on windows. No more redists etc.

>>105807569
It's more the opposite actually. Linux is a better desktop OS with less bloat and retardation. Windows Server is a better server since basic shit is baked in like a functioning domain integration. Your IT wage cucks can manage them easier too in most cases.
Also, my Windows Server VM boots up 10x faster than my Linux one. Only thing you're sort of right is you need to install OpenSSHd on windows as soon as possible because WinRM is dogshit.

>>105804651
>hello sir windows tech support
Don't worry pajeet, you'll still find a way to scam people even on Linux

>>105804633 (OP)
>win7
>Peak
Hey remember when windows 7 introduced that permissions dogshit that made people have to write scripts just to steal their own computer back from Microsoft? No? You're all younger than that? As expected of nu /g/

>>105807976
Wasn't that on Vista?

>>105807976
and? like literally, do you guys only care about tinkering and no real use case and security?

>>105808184
yeah, it was

>>105804728
>why tf do servers then run Linux?

For exactly the same reason he stated - regular people don't interact with servers the same way regular people interact with their desktop PCs.

It's like asking why we should implement handles, polished knobs and leather coatings in a car interior when the gears within the engine are from sharp metal and 80 degrees hot?!

>>105807619
We've managed to get from
>Windows on desktop, Linux on server
to
>Linux on desktop, Windows on server
Wild.