Thread 105807881

why would you NOT use this? you jump to a new version every two years, while getting a perfectly stable and unchanging experience in between that time.
>b-but muh snaps
grow up, get a job

because KDE is better. therefore, I use Kubuntu

>>105807881 (OP)
Why would I bother kissing Debian's sisters when I could just go for Debian?

>>105807881 (OP)
Gnome, snaps, old software

>>105807881 (OP)
why would you NOT just shut the fuck up?

>>105807908
This

>>105807881 (OP)
Currently on Debian. Considering going to Ubuntu.
I like the polish Ubuntu has, which Debian does not. It's just the small things like having Plymouth configured ootb, having a nice ssh login screen, better default fonts and theming etc etc
Also, everything assumes/supports Ubuntu, which makes life easier. I spend all day at work fucking around with Kubernetes and server infra, so I want to turn my brain off and be an Ubuntu normie at home

>>105807881 (OP)
its bloated as fuck and unstable. I had more issues getting stuff to work and maintaining it on ubuntu than arch

>>105807881 (OP)
CAD

>>105807881 (OP)
Has everything I need and natively compatible

>>105808605
>Arch
>Furfag
Pottery

>>105808605
this but unironically

>>105809045
kek

Fedora hasn’t broken for me since I hopped on back when Beefy Miracle came out, so I’ve had no reason to hop.

>>105807881 (OP)
>grow up, get a job
fun fact, onboarding for my job has a bunch of lines that say
>Do NOT install _ as a snap because it causes issues

>>105807881 (OP)
I just use Debian. No reason to use one of its retarded cousins. If I wanted to run spyware I would just use windows and all the advantages that has. No reason to run Ubuntu in the year 2K25

>>105810229
I used ubuntu for like the first 10 years of using linux.. after a while, even if you're a retard and aren't even trying, you get wise enough to know what you want, and don't want, like and don't like..

I like Debian, I don't like Ubuntu

>>105810252
also it's the age of AI, so "sane presets" isn't a compelling argument when you can just ask AI to generate or a script or one-liner to fix whatever issue you have, in 30 seconds, like plugging in your phone and not having it auto-mount and show up in the file manager or whatever

>>105807881 (OP)
>why would you NOT use this? you jump to a new version every two years, while getting a perfectly stable and unchanging experience in between that time.
no snaps either :)

>>105810271
Thaat sounds like a bad idea, relying on ai is a surefireway to 1. configure something badly 2 get made fun of when you ask for help due to fucking up your system. Besides, the point of the presets is that I don't have to run them myself, or fix them when they break.

>>105810277
> Controlled by Redhat
Stop shilling jeet

>>105810352
>you might fuck up
uh, yeah. this applies to any distro
>they might make fun of me!
dude you're gay as hell

>>105807881 (OP)
is ugly

>>105810395
>uh, yeah. this applies to any distro
Doesn't happen on windows or macos
>dude you're gay as hell
you're missing the point, is not about getting made fun of, is about the fact that any serious user can see how ridiculuous it is to rely on an ai code to set up your system config

>>105810419
>rely on an ai code to set up your system config
strawman.

why are you evangelizing ubuntu? what do you even care that someone doesn't like your favorite distro? there are a million reasonable and valid reasons to prefer something else to ubuntu, lol.

>>105810455
NTA retard, I'm just telling you why relying on ai for something like arch or debian to "set up yourself' is stupid

>>105810487
i think anyone with a brain knows to use caution and audit code before running ai generated commands/scripts, but yes, that's a potential problem. claiming you're "reliant on it" is where you went full retard.

Because 2 years is too short.

>>105807881 (OP)
ubuntu is so gay

>>105807881 (OP)
I'm already on debian stable

linuxfags spend more time doing absoloutely nothing with their computers. You're like skyrim modders who spend 999 hours making a build then dropping it after 30 minutes of use.

>>105807881 (OP)
I use Windows 7. All the software that I need to run work just fine on it (they still mog all modern linux alternatives). It plays well with my old laptop and (the most important part) I can easily recreate my workflow completely offline. Mediocre software/hardware support, RTFM culture , the constant need to connect to the cloud and toxic community full of narcistic, mindbroken commiepedotroons are the main reasons why linux is still not a popular choice among desktop operating systems. Yes I know, linux recently got more popular than 7, but only because its community, which is particularly good at lying, started spreading bs about people getting magic internet aids after connection old windows version to the internet. And well, because moraltroons/companies won't pirate software.

>>105811041
bro everyone has a right to do whatever they want to do with their computer retard

>>105811050
>the constant need to connect to the cloud
you're schizoposting anon
>magic internet aids
what about the anon that got an bootloader virus

>>105811124
>you're schizoposting anon
No, I am not. If your setup at any point requires internet connection to work at its core, then you are doing something wrong, unless you actually want to be dependent on someone else's computer (a.k.a. cloud, or repositories in this specific case). I have a usb stick full of drivers and basic software that I need, so in case of internet outage, or any similar emergency, I will be able to recreate my setup completely offline with, well, offline instalators, meanwhile 90% of troonix/modern windows users need internet connection to do a clean OS reinstall and get all the software that they need. I refuse to get cucked by operating systems that are user-hostile, simple as.
>what about the anon that got an bootloader virus
No idea what you mean, but overall, your computer, regardless of its OS, most likely connects to the internet with the help of another device and is not directly exposed to the internet (they way that all those fear-mongering youtube videos titled like "whooo I connected old windows to the internet and got hacked in 10 femtoseconds, don't do that guys" when they literally expose it directly to the world or download malware on their own). As long as you don't do what those charlatans do, you will be fine. Security updates don't matter if you are not clinically retarded.

>>105807881 (OP)
>Ubuntu on desktops
>stable
kys

>>105807881 (OP)
I am comfy with 22.

on 24, I don't like the new Right click, Open with..., Select, Open

on 22, this is only 2 clicks

>>105811241
>If your setup at any point requires internet connection to work at its core, then you are doing something wrong
Uhm, yes, sounds like *you* are doing something wrong, because nothing we're talking about requires cloud at its core.

>>105807881 (OP)
based take

>>105811419
>because nothing we're talking about requires cloud at its core.
Linux literally requires internet connection to get something remotely serious done. You need X program to do Y?You need to download it from online repositories. You already download a .deb file? Well, fuck you, because it requires some dependencies that need to be downloaded from the repos. You have appimages? Tough luck, since you will need fuse, which is broken on Ubuntu and not present by default on many distros.
>b-b-b-but download whole repo
Yes, I know, its doable, but you would have to sacrifice a lot of storage, just to be able to use a couple of programs. Meanwhile on Windows 7 almost all programs have all their dependencies includes, and the major ones that need separate installation have offline installers as well. Offline linux setup is technically possible, but its not nearly as convenient and easy to do as on Windows, especially on older versions. Why would I use an operating system that wants me to be dependent on Mr. Schlomo Adelman's data center?

>>105811585
>>b-b-b-but download whole repo
Anon must be a dropout

>>105811585
Internet is used because it's the most convenient way of delivering software to users. You can get DVDs shipped out to you if that's easier for you.
>Offline linux setup is technically possible, but its not nearly as convenient and easy to do as on Windows
Convenient and easy was never the point of Linux.

>>105807881 (OP)
If you want to do serious work only Windows does the job. Other OSes are worthless, unless Microsoft somehow fucks up so catastrophically that companies have no choice but to port their programs to Linux or Mac.

>>105811624
Nope, I am currently a blue collar, and I do have an engineering degree.
>>105811632
>it's the most convenient way of delivering software to users.
And at the same time, its conveniently allows developers to control the user. No, thanks.
>Convenient and easy was never the point of Linux.
Aaaand that's why everyone sees linux as a hobby operating system.

>>105811649
there's nothing wrong with not using technology that you don't need or want. just don't act like everything's in the cloud nowadays and there's no way to avoid that. you're painfully ignorant on the topic.
>everyone sees linux as a hobby operating system.
again, it's not *for* everyone. so it really doesn't matter what "everyone" thinks of it.

>>105811746
>t's not *for* everyone.
Who is it for?

>>105811746
>just don't act like everything's in the cloud nowadays
Well, it kinda is. A lot of mainstream software is already directly in the cloud and even if its not, it requires you to be online in order to connect to activation servers, which technically still forces you to connect to someone else's computer. From my experience, 11 LTSC, which is supposed to be local-first windows version, is still as unstable as windows 10 was on release (remember that Windows 11 is 4 years old at this point), so the attention that developers this days sacrifice to develop local software is very small, which is bad, both from the perspective of people like me, who want to have some sort of digital independence, as well as serious industries who need to run some of their infrastructure offline.
>and there's no way to avoid that.
well, there is, however with every new release of modern operating systems, it gets progressively harder, which is a bad sign, since tech companies want to turn our computers into glorified smartphones.
>you're painfully ignorant on the topic
I am not. Its just that linux users act like narcistic, all-knowing ledditors who think they know better (you don't).
>so it really doesn't matter what "everyone" thinks of it.
mhmm, yeah, I totally trust you, Its not like you are just coping or whatever.

>>105811851
>A lot of mainstream software is already directly in the cloud and even if its not, it requires you to be online in order to connect to activation servers
if you can't live without software like that, that's a you problem.

there's people who realise dark patterns of tech and do something about it. find ways to get around it, use different software, host their own services, whatever. you, on the other hand, seem to be stuck at the "everything is gay and i hate it all" phase. you claim to want "digital independence", but are not willing (or able) to put in the work to earn it.
>linux users act like narcistic, all-knowing ledditors who think they know better
oh i know better than *you*, for sure. not that that's a high bar to clear.

best numbat is https://numbat.dev
>>105808019
this

>>105811806
People who are willing to put in the work to learn a system.

>>105811975
>if you can't live without software like that, that's a you problem.
Least delusional linux argument. Its not my problem per se, since I pirate all the things, but some people simply can't pirate, or don't know how to do that, and are forced to deal with being dependend on the cloud. Most linux alternatives to mainstream programs are not nearly as mature as they should be to become a real competition. A 2012 version of photoshop still mogs gimp and krita, microsoft office from 2009 still mogs latest libreoffice. This happens because software maintained by a bunch of underpaid repo jannies who can never agree on anything still can't compete with outdated productivity tools developed by somewhat serious companies with developers who used to get rewarded properly for their work.
>but are not willing (or able) to put in the work to earn it.
No dude, I am not switching to linux and I am not developing inferior programs with you.
>oh i know better than *you*, for sure
You are not a tech God just because you use niche operating system. Most of you still believe that you can get hacked by using outdated software in your own network, or that linux is somehow magically more secure than Windows or Mac.

>>105812063
>but some people simply can't
fuck em
>dude, I am not switching to linux and I am not developing
i'm not asking you to do anything

gimp is pure aids, i'll give you that. i miss paint.net

>>105811124
Is that picrel a typical ubunut user?

>>105812088
>fuck em
5% moment.
>i'm not asking you to do anything
You implied that I don't do enough for my independence, so it kinda sounded like you wanted me to do something.
>gimp is pure aids, i'll give you that. i miss paint.net
See? Even diehard linux users miss software that actually works.

>>105807881 (OP)
apt is bad. if u install something and later remove it it also removed other shit which might potentially break your shit.

>>105813579
Maybe read which packages it will be deleting before pressing OK?
Also, it will only delete a package if no other package is dependent on it. You know, like a proper dependency resolver does.

>>105815555
Do I really need to know if bbgsf or futil or some other shit is a core package or not? I feel like that's not information I should have ot handle if I'm not a developper

>>105807881 (OP)
>jump to a new version every two years
What's this about "jumping" to a new version every two years? Do Ubuntufags have to reinstall the entire OS whenever there's an update (every two years)? Can't you just get updates as they come through a GUI package manager, like Windows Update or any other Linux?

>>105815583
There is literally a GUI that will make a pop up and ask you if you want to upgrade, abd if you say yes, you press OK and it will upgrade to new release.
This goes for regular updates as well

install /g/entoo

I prefer Arch, it allows me to build a development machine to my exact specifications. I need as much free resources as possible to run experimental AI models at max capacity for hours on end. Do anything reasonably complex takes ages and ages. Don't need all the bloat.

>>105807881 (OP)
Because I would rather use Debian or Linux Mint Debian Edition instead

>>105815615
>Start with the Greeks

because they made it so snaps automatically kill your processes for automatic updates and I still haven't forgiven them for that. I don't care that they added a command to stop them later on, for me you get one chance at playing that game and then you are out

>>105807881 (OP)
damn, thats a very based logo

>>105807881 (OP)
Because I got it all covered w/o Ubuntu: I go for Tumbleweed if I need a rolling release, Fedora if I need bleeding edge with a bit more stability, Leap when I need a low-maintenance desktop or server, and RHEL clones when I need something "do not touch for ~5 years" levels of stable.

>>105815684
>openSUSE
ew

>>105816065
What's wrong with opensue. Say it without sounding like a sperg

>>105816089
Why didn't he respond?

Let me guess, you need more?

>>105808092
Minimal install doesn't add snaps

>>105808605
same
snaps are terrible as well