Thread 105812491

Is there a reason to use anything else? Even Mint defaults to it despite not using GNOME.
>But I need my special features and drawable pixels!
It's a fucking terminal. It exists solely to emulate a TTY Linux session within a desktop.

just use whatever comes by default with your DE
and if gnomeware comes by default, just get a better DE.

Who gives a shit?

>>105812507
>Use inferior software because it's the default.

>>105812532
>Inferior
https://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/

>>105812491 (OP)
bloat

>>105812540
>Posted on September 1, 2007

>>105812491 (OP)
Once you try alacritty w/ tmux you never go back

>>105812581
What is the advantage of using tmux over just splitting windows which pretty much every terminal emulator now supports

>>105812491 (OP)
For my 20y of linux use I never needed something more than the xfce terminal or gnome terminal

>>105812580
>Was already good 18 years ago
Kneel.

>>105812608
1) doesn't tie you to anything
2) you can manage your work into different sessions, which have different windows (i.e: "tabs") which have a pane, which can be split into multiple panes and rearranged.
3) detaching is as easy as Ctrl+b => d
4) can attach to sessions from other terminals

For example, I usually have 3 projects at any given time: work and two apps I'm working on as possible SaaS products, so I have 3 sessions running.

Often different tabs, one for neovim, another for general term work, another for running in a single tab, multipane all the containers with logs, etc.

Also, very nice to theme up and has a nice plugin ecosystem.

>>105812608
Sounds like you're tied to tmux? And cant you just use terminal tabs for sessions?

Konsole is better.
Fuck GTK software. Never install GTK software.

>>105812491 (OP)
i don't have a DE thus there is no default thus i went with a term that just works for my usage.

used to use termite and switched to alacritty when it got deprecated.

honestly i don't give a shit, it's a terminal emulator, it does the job.

the latency is really bad
after getting used to xterm i can't really use that long term

>>105812842
usecase for *krashes*?

>>105813326
Not being pozzed GTK software

>>105812842
*Trolltech has deposited $5 into your account*

>>105812820
NTA, but I prefer terminal tabs for SSH sessions.
Which run tmux.

>>105812820
The session still runs when you detach. Say you ssh into athena run sudo pacman - Syu, detach then ssh into zeus and run sudo apt update, then detach and do something else. All those updates will continue. the only draw to it really.

INSTALL KITTY SAAR REDEEM GPU

>>105812491 (OP)
the reason to use something else is gnome/gtk/gnu is a fucking cancer and it should be avoided at all cost.

>>105812623
I can't stand the key-jacking. I started with xterm and stick with it because it stays out of the way. There are some legacy apps I use so I also use putty on wine to get full screen 80x24.

>>105813418
I never made the jump to tmux, screen works fine in my workflows.

>>105812608
The tmux session keeps running even if you get disconnected from the server while sshing into it. You can simply reconnect to the server, start up tmux and your programs haven't been interrupted. You also don't need more ssh connections. It's very good but the default shortcuts are very bad as with most freetard programs.

>>105813817
Those fucktards are always changing default settings and options in the interest of some fabled UX or chasing other systems. Fucking clicking on a scroll bar should be a page down/up not a click-to; changing the default output of ls just because is bullshit.

I like Terminator https://gnome-terminator.org
>inb4 tmux
managing splits "in terminal" is obnoxious

>>105812842
based konsole is great

>>105813855
>i like my software to stay the same forever and ever and ever and ever and ever
windows 7

>>105812491 (OP)
Clem is fucking holding linux back from going mainstream.
>Everyone recommends mint to windows converts
>They install it
>Mint hasn't been updated in years
>10 year old buggy software
>Even the calculator has bugs that got fixed 10 years ago upstream because Clem doesn't know how to code
>No fractional scaling, HDR, VRR or anything modern computers use
>They use gnome-terminal
>Haven't updated VTE to the 46 performance boost
https://bxt.rs/blog/just-how-much-faster-are-the-gnome-46-terminals/

>>105812540
they cheat speed by lowering the update rate (its scrolling shit but not drawing it)

>>105812491 (OP)
I use Kitty by Covid Goyim

>>105812842
Ugh I hate the stupid name though for real. I would use kde if it didn’t have gay names for everything.

>>105812491 (OP)
Roughly the same user experience

>>105812491 (OP)
>GNOME Terminal
What are you, a caveman or something? We switched to kgx aka Console a long time ago, grandpa. Console is the one TRUE terminal emulator. There is ZERO (null) reason to use anything else. It's the GNOME way or the highway.
>>105812507
Shut the fuck up you retard. GNOME is the defacto standard of desktop Linux. There is no other DE. GNOME fucking won. Let me guess, you use a "protest" distro that doesn't ship systemd either, don't you? I hate pretentious faggots like you more than anything else in this world. I would have bashed your silly little head against the wall if you were in front of me right now.
>>105812842
You KDE jeets are so obnoxious. You fucking lost. GNOME and GTK won the war a long time ago. No serious distributions ship KDE and Qt garbage as their flagship. It is a second class citizen everywhere. Plus your ugly software keeps *krash*ing all the time. I bet the AI fags could code a better DE than KrashDE. Even Firefox uses GTK on Linux because Qt is such a gigantic piece of smelly horseshit, you absolute fucking moron.
>>105813796
Shut the fuck up pajeet. No one likes you or your dumbass kitty.

>>105814569
GTK is dying. Qt is only growing.

>>105812581
>alacritty
The one that literally can't even display a red heart emoji?

>>105814569
(You) are trying way the fuck too hard.

>>105814572
Your brain cells are dying and a cancer is growing, you dipshit. Kill yourself. GTK and GNOME rule over desktop Linux. Flathub is the defacto standard of installing applications on Linux now. Freedesktop is ours, we ban whoever the fuck we want. Core wayland protocols? We dictate them. Wayland is ours. What the fuck are you gonna do, huh little bitch? You gonna protest? You gonna get uppity? Gonna cry? Throw a little fit? Huh bitch? Gonna use Xlibre? Gonna be a fascist maggot? Go on, be retarded all you want. GNOME will stay winning.
>>105814593
Shut the fuck up. (You) have nothing useful to say, you have no opinions. So you fallback to your funny little 4chanisms like a fucking bot. You're pathetic.

>>105814612
You lost bussy.

>>105814569
>>105814612
hey jordan petridis
big fan here
when is your next blog post coming out

>>105814569
>>105814612
ya cooked 'em gnomesister
trans power
trans pride

>>105814569
this. also, trans rights.

>>105814569
>libadwaita
Downgrade.

>>105814295
>Ugh I hate the stupid name though for real. I would use kde if it didn’t have gay names for everything.
Names everything with a K, how fucking retarded is that.
The the gui is way too busy, too many toggles and switches.
Cinnamon is the DE to have...clean, calm and based.

>>105814661
Cry more. We are already in the process of forcing applications like Firefox, LibreOffice, Inkscape, Lutris, GIMP and more to libadwaita. We and our GNOMEies are in the issue trackers of these projects and we have convinced all their developers that Libadwaita is superior. Libadwaita domination, you dumbass. This is not a game or hobby for us. We are not playing around here. This is a war and we want complete domination over desktop Linux. GNOME is the already the standard right now but we won't rest until it is the only viable option left. We will force you KDE fags to fuck off somewhere else. This is OUR ecosystem. You are not allowed here. Not.

>>105814725
ngl that picture looks great and i would unironically love to use this version of inkscape. am i gnomefag now?

GNOME terminal with default ohmyzsh installation just werks
i don't want to have to spend days tinker trannying a terminal

It seems people don't understand this so let explain.

Defaults serve two purposes.

>To be used as is
>Categorical suggestions for you to find and use alternatives

What that means is that, if you prefer, you can use the default app... OR, get this... you can install an alternative.

Hope that helps.

>>105814725
wow you are unironically not even kidding
just checked and all those projects have an actual "port to libadwaita" discussion ongoing

>inkscape
https://gitlab.com/inkscape/ux/-/issues/236
>libreoffice
https://ask.libreoffice.org/t/development-exchange-libreoffice-main-frame-with-a-gtk4-one/71248/41
>lutris
https://github.com/lutris/lutris/issues/3886
>firefox
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1701123
firefox devs are not opposed to libadwaita. meanwhile libadwaita haters like cinnamon's clement is getting downvoted on the tracker and anyone suggesting a qt6 port is getting laughed out of the room, kekaroo
>xournal++
i use this app so i checked and yep, libadwaita port discussion is there
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp/discussions/5301

why are kde fans not pushing developers like this to port software to qt6? say what you want about gnome but their fanboys are least trying. looks like the future is libadwaita domination indeed.

>>105814812
What guides choice is a combination of preference and features.

>>105814837
Kek, KDEjeets keep crying about Firefox using GTK but no one from their side steps up to maintain a Qt port for Firefox. Lmao!

>>105814837
it's because libadwaita and gnome are actually liked by people, despite the wails and moans emanating from /g/

>>105814837
>Probably better to hardcode the colors and such from adwaita / libadwaita
>Thanks man, this may actually help with keeping my sanity for a little while longer. :) A few hours ago my plan was to keep using gtkstylecontext even though I know it is deprecated but it just didn't work out. I like your plan much better!! Firefox ships a few default themes and then we just hardcode Adwaita (or similar) light/dark themes. It's a start, something to build on.
lmao
rip firefox theming

>>105812491 (OP)
>>105812842
why do you need a ui toolkit in your terminal?
just use st, xterm or urxvt like a normal person.

>>105814837
>why are kde fans not pushing developers like this to port software to qt6
have you considered the fact that all software you linked is already using GTK? switching to a completely different toolkit (and possibly language) is unrealistic unless there are good reasons

>>105814725
> libadwaita
Never heard of it.
I have a windows box for when I want to use photoshop, illustrator, indesign, word, powerpoint, etc.

>>105815154
Usually, I don’t want a toolkit at all.
It’s like using a “framework”
Concentrate on making the app fucking do it’s thing instead of gradient shading and 3d effects, animations, hdr, reflection and raytracing thipe fucking buttons.
Get rid of the toolkit probably doubles the performance and halves the size.
Kill wayland for xorg, there’s another 2 x speed up and free up usable space.

>>105815154
Usually, I don’t want a toolkit at all.
It’s like using a “framework”
Concentrate on making the app fucking do it’s thing instead of gradient shading and 3d effects, animations, hdr, reflection and raytracing on the fucking buttons.
Get rid of the toolkit probably doubles the performance and halves the size.
Kill wayland for xorg, there’s another 2 x speed up and free up usable space.

>>105814837
This is proof that no one wants to use Qt and KDE. Developers don't want to support KDE. KDE is like that one kid in the class who sits in the back and has no friends. Meanwhile GNOME is the smartest kid in the class that everyone wants to be friends with.

>>105812842
Konsole is amazing

>>105815532
you /g/uys write such nonsense
kill wayland
kill gtk
muh dwm minimalism
guess what moron
none of this will ever happen
stop being a contrarian already and grow up

>>105815546
>be gnome troon
>run to third party projects and ask them to implement toy UIs
>they tell you to fuck off or ghost you
...
>SEE, THEY ALL HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MOVING TO TOY-UI

>>105815396
shut up. its because qt is horseshit.

>>105814837
>lutris discussion
>"You should switch to adweita for good looks!" 2021
<bro, libadweita isnt even released yet
...years pass
>Lutris now switched to Qt

LMAO

>>105815559
>>they tell you to fuck off or ghost you
So what more lies are you gonna pull outta your ass next? Firefox is already being ported to GTK4. Libreoffice already has a GTK4 port. No one is talking about your precious Qt anymore.
>>105815579
>>Lutris now switched to Qt
Ah, so that's next lie you pulled outta your ass. Too bad retard. Lutris is still using GTK and the Lutris devs have already confirmed a GTK4 port on discord :)

>>105815559
>>105815579
>LOOK ALL SOFTWARE IS SWITCHING TO QT
>FUCCCK GTK
lmao wtf is wrong with you kdejeets
kdejeets cannot even read anymore hahahaha

>>105815589
>is already being ... to this thing that isnt libadweita

The only gtk application i have left is Firefox.
And they dont even use gtk for ui elements, but hook their own shit on top of it.
I would also be very glad to finally remove firefox.

And the funny thing is, i didnt even do this delibetately. Its just that all good applications happen to... not use gtk

Usecase for bait threads?

>>105814837
>>105815616
Firefox 140 has taken the first steps towards porting to GTK4 and hardcoding libadwaita stuff.
>https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1963446#c7
>Simplifies eventually porting to GTK 4, which doesn't support native widget drawing anyways.
>The "non-native" Firefox UI buttons and so on look more "native" in a GTK environment than the current GTK3 buttons with themes like Adwaita. (Breeze regresses a bit, which is a bit unfortunate but...)
Plus there is a guy named Jens Perrson who has made a lot of progress on the GTK4 port already. Here https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1701123
And like >>105815127 mentioned, they are planning to hardcode libadwaita colors and theming stuff into the browser. It would probably still be possible to change everything using userChrome CSS hacks but expect a huge meltdown and many "Fuck, Firefox broke again" threads on /g/ in the near future. It is sad that nobody seems to give a flying fuck about KDE anymore.

>>105815602
>>Lutris now switched to Qt

It's literally a terminal emulator. You type black monospace text into it and it gives output. How can you possibly turn this into a gay console wars debate? What level of mental illness does it require to get worked up about which terminal emulator to use?

>>105812581
Once you go wezterm and zellij you never go back

>>105815669
gay console wars? how fucking dare you
what would a anime posting lolicon like you know about any of this
this is a war between gtk and qt
and gtk is winning

>>105815683
GTK has been in constant decline since GTK3.
Inertia and Red Hat money is the only thing keeping it alive.

>>105815691
yeah that might be the case on planet retard
here on planet earth gtk is the standard gui toolkit for loonix and gnome is the standard loonix de

I. WANT. TO. LEARN. SYNTAX.

>>105812491 (OP)
Cinnamon is a Gnome 3 fork, ackshually.

>>105815648
>>Breeze regresses a bit, which is a bit unfortunate but...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA KFAGS IN THE MUD AGAIN

I liek xfce4-terminal

>>105815896
if i may borrow the words of muh nigga bruce3434 (huge shoutout)
>GNOME gets you bitches, KDE makes you one
lmao!

>>105815648
damn
i recently switched to linux from windows
i was thinking of starting with kde because of that mental outlaw video but this thread convinced me that i should go for gnome instead
thanks bro

>>105816777
Yes, good. Word of advice, never EVER fall for KDE shilling. KDE fags are even worse than Brave scammers when it comes to shilling on /g/. A company called "Trolltech" (Yes, that is what it is literally called. I'm not joking) pays them $10 per post everytime they shill Qt and KDE.

Just stick with GTK and GNOME as long as you are using Linux. They are the good guys in all of this.

>>105816788
>A company called "Trolltech"
is that why i keep seeing ebussy threads on /g/?

>>105816795
Yes. It is just Trolltech bots on a pay roll.

>>105812491 (OP)
I like Konsole (default for KDE)

>>105815154
Integration with the rest of the UI and not needing a multiplexer

>>105816788
How do I sign up to shill for them?

>>105812491 (OP)
Use Console or Ptyxis. Console is better if you want to stay true to the GNOME philosophy.

>>105812842
That's mistake, QT is probably more bloated than GTK at this point and is not even close to the speed of GTK2/3 (despite what inept Linux devs tell you).

>>105817428
GTK can't even get a real filepicker, and it forces a tablet UI on you
GTK is the tranny toolkit of GUIs, Qt is when you actually want a usable UI.

>>105817487
You dont need to be gnomefag to use GTK fren. Also about trannies, pic very much related.

>>105817487
>GTK can't even get a real filepicker, and it forces a tablet UI on you
>GTK is the tranny toolkit of GUIs, Qt is when you actually want a usab--
*krashes*

>>105817543
lol
https://blogs.gnome.org/steven/2025/06/01/pride-at-gnome/

>>105812491 (OP)
is there a reason you shouldn't be enslaved and be kept away from humans, re**it ty*er?

>>105817762
>>105816777
>>105815915
>>105815683
>>105815648
slit
your
throat
retarded
newfag

>>105817801
You lost

>>105817543
>>105817762
lgbtq community rules over desktop linux
if you are not lgbtq then you are not a part of linux community, simple as
normies can fuck off
you normies are not welcome in gnome or kde communities

Why would you install anything other than xterm?

>>105814725
>GIMP and more to libadwaita
Two more weeks, just like it only took two weeks for the GTK3 version, right?

>>105817487
GTK's native filepicker has thumbnails. Qt does not.

>>105818057
Native 32x32 thumbnails that don't scale with PPI
>Qt does not.
Another tranny lie

Uh-oh
Trolltech sent their bots here again

>>105812674
>>105813509
>>105813847
>what is dtach(1)
You can even choose to use abduco instead. Freeing yourself from the shitty terminal-emulator-in-your-terminal-emulator known as tmux doesn't even have to be hard.

>>105818069
>Another tranny lie
Cope. You're either using Dolphin or some desktop portal implementation (which GTK supports too in case the so-called 32x32 thumbnails aren't good enough for you).

>>105814725
>Forcing applications to use libadwaita
>When they can't even consistently port their own core apps like Totem and Yelp years after the first initiative
lol
lmao, even

>>105818426
They don't need to port Totem though. They got Showtime now.
>https://flathub.org/apps/org.gnome.Showtime
That's the great thing about libadwaita. One old GNOME dev dies or gets uppity, another one rises up. Everyone is expendable. There are college kids begging to learn how to make GTK4 libadwaita apps for the GNOME community, for free. Every week someone shits out a new GTK4 libadwaita app.

>>105818484
>flathub
>for free
Not for long.

Man, what the hell. I wanted Ishii for the G1. Why did they stop including Ishii in the G1?

>>105815127
>rip firefox theming
Vivaldi keeps winning

>>105813509
>interactive ssh session + detach for updates
>instead of one non-interactive update command through ssh
lmao retard

>>105818345
Keep coping faggot

>>105818739
>You're either using Dolphin
Called it.
This is the actual native Qt filepicker, you fucking retard.

>>105818819
>tranny needs to customize xir distro instead of using a DE that works faster and better
sir, you need to get a job, Trump cut back on your gibs Friday

>>105818842
>Deflecting this hard
Kope harder, Qtranny.
This is the native GTK file picker at 200% DPI. It scales just fine, you projecting liar.

>>105818941
>headerbar
EWWWWWWWWWW

>>105818965
That's just a Wayland thing. You can still use traditional titlebars on X11, which one probably is if they aren't using desktop portals.

>>105818982
sure, if you're not on gn*me and have gtk3-nocsd installed
thankfully most gtk apps I use support desktop portals so I get KDialog instead.

>>105818184
I have no idea what those words mean

>>105819074
If you can't figure them out, stay away from computers.

>>105818941
Now drag and drop an image from the file manager into the file picker
lol

>>105819147
I'll just keep using tmux

>>105819152
It takes you directly to the file in question. That's actually really handy.

>>105819213
>look at me I'm an illiterate retard

>>105818739
Could you share the first two(2) pics please?

>>105812842
konsole isn't gpu hardware accelerated. its why i use alacritty over it on my kde

>>105821459
Usecase for GPU accelerating text?

>>105821872
>gpu offload text rendering from the cpu, ensuring smooth scrolling and display updates, especially when handling large outputs
you want smooth rendering of your journalctl -b -p35, right anon?
>gpu handle the rendering of complex glyphs, colors, and image fragments efficiently, enabling terminals to display graphical content without stuttering.
you're not weird by not using emojis, right anon? you're a normal, sane, rational human being who uses emojis, right anon?
>gpu accelerate rendering of syntax highlighted text and scrolling through large codebases, reducing latency for smooth editing experiences.
you want crisp, smooth, rendering of a 10,000 line code file in nano, right anon?
>gpu accelerate frame-by-frame rendering of text-based animations or complex ASCII art, ensuring smooth gameplay or interaction.
You do want high quality big titty, ASCII rendering, right anon?
>gpu ensure fluid rendering of multiple panes with dynamic content, preventing visual tearing or delays during rapid updates.
you do not want screen tearing in your terminal window, right anon?

>>105821459
OpenGL spikes my RAM. Meanwhile, foot eats up just 4MB or so.
As an owner of a 4GB Lenovo toaster, that matters a lot.

>>105822809
not my fault you are poor

>>105823012
I am not poor.

>>105815677
It's superior in every way, there's no competition

>people are finally waking up and realizing GTK being C and not corporate poisoned makes it infinitely easier to use everywhere vs Qt
About time. Hopefully people realize gnome just works too.

>>105823322
Why would I want to use wezterm?

>>105822145
>journalctl
systemd faggot detected, opinion rejected

>>105812491 (OP)
urxvt or bust

>>105823369
>Hopefully people realize gnome just works too.
sure, if you're fine with the slop you're given like a stray dog
>inb4 extensions
which are deliberately broken by gnome updates.

>>105813326
usecase for *grashes*

>>105812491 (OP)
ptyxis is pretty good

>>105812491 (OP)
Kitty just werks and is crossplatform so I can also use it on my Macbook. I don't have time to tinker or terminalhop.

>>105823387
you are sexually attracted to mentally ill peoples fantasies

>>105823012
>Can't afford a CPU that can handle a mere terminal
>Calls others poor
lmao

Is there any terminal that supports blocks like Warp? I don't want AI bloat in my terminal but that one feature looks very tempting to me.