GNOME gang where you at?

>>105815670 (OP)
probably in a starbucks somewhere typing away on their macintoshes

why does it have a prostate massager on the logo?

gnome-shell is a good window manager, change my mind

nu-linux doesn't have a concept of window manager. it's part of xorg stack.

>>105816019
it is for you i suppose

>>105815670 (OP)
GNOME GANG represent
We are the rulers of desktop Linux
This is our ecosystem

Fuck you Trolltech.

I'm here, anon.

How are you today?

we need a rap song for gnome

>>105815670 (OP)
Gnome is spyware. Geolocation.service baked into the coding. Remove it and gnome become inoperable.

>>105817320
use case for removing spyware?

>>105815670 (OP)
love gnome
simple as

>>105817320
just tell us where you live faggot
we need this info to help improve gnome for everyone
what is wrong with you

gnome is the best graphical shell to launch web browser. too bad it's unusable for anything else.

>>105815670 (OP)
You know what’s really sad? Even if ebussy and the gtk/gnome people are assholes, gnome applications are generally well-made. A lot of strange bugs and breaking changes were usually caused by the assholes at the top.
Like I don’t use gnome, but I used quite a few of their softwares.

>>105817320
>complains about spyware
>owns a phone & modern car
Typical

>>105815670 (OP)
It just works.

Can any GNOME chad tell me how to fix the atrocious application menu?
Its Windows 8 tier

>>105817516
>application menu
You only use it when using a touchscreen. If you have a keyboard, you just press <Super>, type (parts of) the application name, and press <Enter>. If you sit at a PC, and open the application menu to click on an icon to open a program, you should consider killing yourself.

>>105817613
I only have one hand, terrible design.
KDE is still king

>>105817629
>typing is terrible design
Okay, maybe KDE is better for cripples like you.

>>105817462
>gnome applications
single screen toy/wrapper programs, with 3-5 controls max?

Remember what they took from you.

>>105817794
>single screen toy/wrapper programs, with 3-5 controls max?
gnome applications for mom, command-line tools for me
complex graphical programs are for midwits

GTK is a toy toolkit. it's impossible to make functional graphical program with it.

>>105817811
Left is beatiful. Gnome is very pretty but ass to use

>>105817794
>be me
>fsfmaxing, gnuchad
>"i love unix philosophy"
>installs apps that follow unix philosophy
>"single screen toy/wrapper programs, with 3-5 controls max?"

>>105817320
surely you jest

>>105817984
>not init=/bin/sh -maxxing

>>105815670 (OP)
if you use gnome you are a faggot

>>105815670 (OP)
if you use gnome you are a chad

>>105817462
is there a difference between gnome applications and flathub shit with libadwaita?
anyways I really like shortwave

>>105818414
all gnome applications are libadwaita applications and you are supposed to install them via flathub

I hate KDE so much it's unreal. Everytime I see a KDE desktop I want to brutally kick a pupper in his tummy.

>>105817516
I hope they get rid of it now that Apple got rid of Launchpad in macOS 26
You know since GNOME tries very hard to copy macOS

>>105818658
I don't know what Launchpad is, but how to open programs on macOS 26?

>>105817652
KDE has the same feature, but also a App-Overview that actually works.

>>105817811
RETVRN

>>105819142
>people unironically use this

>>105819219
Don't worry, Cinnamon also updated to use rounded everything and completely flat widgets.

>>105819142
This design has always baffled me

Top Bar
>useless waste of space
>now you have to actually aim at the buttons and tabs on top

Bottom Dock
>useless waste of space
>straight out of 2008

>can use pajeet hacks to combine top bar and Dock
>buggy
>ugly
>app menu still complete garbage

OK GNOME, cool design there

>>105819142
>top
cringe
>bottom
kino
>>105819682
tch. you wouldn't get it even if i explained it to you.

>>105818878
>actually wo*krashes*

>>105819871

>>105819931
Meanwhile it's been a month and this shir is still broken https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/1ln8psu/screenlocker_is_broken/
Can't make this up. The lock screen hasn't been working for a whole month. KDE is a fucking joke.

>>105819984
>it happens so often they show user instructions
Grim

I'm on Windows 11, am I using the latest GNOME?

>>105819996
Windows 11 is buggy and ugly so no, you are using plasma

>>105819984
>reported 28.06.
>Fixed In Version: qt6-qtwayland-6.9.1-3.fc42
Ok

>>105817320
Why do you think RedHat (NSA front company where all the employees are NSA contractors or former NSA employees) push Gnome and systemd so much?

>>105820019
>Fixed In Version: qt6
kek trolltech literally breaks your PC and kdcuck devs just wait for them to fix it
Why don't they fork it already?

>>105818583
>abuses animals
>uses gnome
checks out, tranny psychopath

>>105819767
>kino
zoomers don't know they sound like boomers who play keno when using this word

>>105819682
you're holding it wrong

>>105819142
>bar on top, dock on bottom
>shrinks the usable screenspace for your DE by 500 pixels
Just Gnome things

>>105819984
Bros I hate KDE so much its unreal

>>105819142
I tried it. I think I prefer it this way, but the problem is that I can't click on the little arrows to go through all my apps now.

>>105820192
>>105819142
>Mobile / tablet app drawer.
Just kill yourselves.

If you want to wait 6 years for any new feature you use GNOME.
These niggas can finally use some scuffed version of fractional scaling and a shitty version of HDR support.

>>105820211
It's actually much sadder than that. It's a ripoff of Launchpad, a macOS feature that even Macfags do not particularly care for.

>>105820229
>If you want to krash now, install kde

>>105820192
What even is the usecase for this.
What an absolute monstrosity

>>105820307
>hundreds of desktop icons
:D
>application grid
>:(

>>105817462
Gnome's ui is probably the worst in existence from an accessibility standpoint

>>105817629
fagnome can't what KKKDE can

This scares the GNOME

GNOME is what happens when developers design a desktop environment for themselves and no one else. It strips away basic functionality in the name of "minimalism", no system tray, no minimize button, no desktop icons, then gaslights you for wanting them back. Customization is treated like a crime, extensions are an unstable mess, and any attempt to fix or tweak the experience is met with a smug “you’re not supposed to do that.”

Bugs go unfixed for years, features get removed with no replacement, and valid use cases are dismissed with “that’s not part of our vision.” The GNOME devs don’t just ignore users, they actively work against them. Want to change your theme? Too bad. Want a dock or a bottom panel? Install 12 extensions and pray they don’t break every GNOME release (they will).

This rigid philosophy is pushed hard by Red Hat and Fedora, whose influence ensures GNOME remains the default on major distros. It's deeply tied to the systemd monoculture and Flatpak ecosystem, making it not just a desktop environment, but a beachhead for Red Hat’s control over the Linux user experience.

There are better options, KDE, XFCE, Cinnamon, that actually respect users, offer choice, and don’t treat power users like a threat. GNOME isn’t minimal. It’s hostile.

>>105820192
Why are you using Papirus? You absolute motherfucker. How many times must we say this before it goes through your thick skull??
STOP
THEMING
GNOME!!
Icon themes deny application developers the freedom to control the brand of their apps. How dare you use an icon. This violates our CoC.

>>105815670 (OP)
> be me
> fresh Arch install
> decide to give GNOME another shot, maybe it’s not as bad as I remember
> lol nope
> start it up
> it's like someone took a tablet UI, dunked it in Fisher-Price paint, and called it "modern"
> no minimize button
> no desktop icons
> no system tray
> no file picker that works correctly in anything
> RAM usage higher than my hopes and dreams
> try to customize something
> "install gnome-tweaks and 13 extensions that break every update"
> okay.jpg
> breaks anyway
> realize GNOME devs removed right-click from everything because “simplicity”
> tfw even iOS gives you more control
> try to launch a terminal
> takes 2 seconds to open
> what the actual fork()
> ask on forum
> "you shouldn't need a terminal"
> mfw using a DE made by people who are allergic to power users
> GNOME users are all like
> "It just works!"
> yeah it just works like a butter knife trying to cut steel
> hear they're removing theming next
> “themers are hostile”
> what.
> close laptop
> open window
> throw laptop out
> install XFCE on new one
> everything works
> system uses 400MB RAM on idle
> still looks better than GNOME
> mfw GNOME is the Windows 8 of Linux DEs
> mfw people actually defend it unironically
> mfw GNOME devs think they’re smarter than their users
> mfw GNOME is proof that design by committee is just group psychosis

>>105820476
Nice pasta. Did you find this on Reddit? Care to share your own opinions or do you just post copy pasted comments on the internet?

>>105815670 (OP)
>>105820499
You think you're running "free software"? Think again.
GNOME and systemd are not just bloated—they're surveillance vectors.
Don’t believe me? Sit down, because this rabbit hole goes *deep*.

Red Hat’s ties to the U.S. intelligence community are not just rumors—they're hiding in plain sight. Start with the obvious: Red Hat was bought by IBM, one of the oldest federal contractors with known partnerships with the NSA, CIA, and even the Department of Homeland Security. IBM provides infrastructure to agencies you’ve never heard of—and now they *own* the largest open-source enterprise Linux vendor? Coincidence?

Let’s talk about **systemd**. It replaces:

* init
* cron
* syslog
* login managers
* network daemons
* home directory mounting

That’s not a daemon—that’s a monolith. One binary to control the entire boot and user session stack. And the more it controls, the more it can *observe*. Centralized logging, binary logs, opaque behavior, undocumented features. You call it "modern Linux." I call it **Total Information Awareness 2.0**.

>>105820499
>>105820568
Then there’s **GNOME**, the polished, corporate-sanctioned DE that ships as default on *every* major distro now—Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian. You can’t escape it. And guess what? GNOME is developed primarily by Red Hat employees. Same pool of devs. Same building. Same NDAs.

Now let’s connect the dots. GNOME intentionally removes user customization under the guise of “design consistency.” Why? Less entropy = easier profiling. Extensions break every cycle, theming is deprecated, and telemetry is slowly creeping in through "developer analytics." GNOME devs have even suggested removing the ability to run third-party themes entirely. Ask yourself: **why would open source devs make their platform *less* open?**

Still think this is tinfoil hat territory? Look up the backgrounds of some lead contributors. A surprising number have:

* Previous defense contractor experience
* Top-secret clearance history (on public LinkedIn profiles—sloppy opsec, guys)
* Papers co-authored with DARPA grant recipients

You’re not running Linux. You’re running **FedoraGov 1.0**—a sanitized, containerized, managed sandbox tailored to feed threat intel back into centralized AI surveillance pipelines.

To quote muh nigga from MALIBAL
>KDE is the trashbin of the linux world, no wonder that is what you like
>You are a zombie you don't even exist
Yep! KDEcucks are zombies.

>>105820490
Hi Jakub.

>>105820495
>install XFCE
>still looks better than GNOME
don't like either but gr8 b8 m8

>>105817794
>single screen toy/wrapper programs, with 3-5 controls max?
yeah
it's not like i want more from a notepad, calculator, system monitor, file browser etc.
i just run the app and it does its purpose with no tinkering required

>>105817811
left is unironically better in every possible way

>>105823096
>>105821246

>>105820495
>reddit spacing

>>105817404
I don't have anything to hide I just don't want you in my fucking business use case
>>105817489
You used the woman's intuition again you learned from your mommy to come with with that? Be a man, you sissy ass little bitch.

>>105820568
>>105820584
How do I revert to non-Systemd on Linux Mint or Debian 13 Trixie?
>>105820092
>I never hard of gnome extensions (hide top bar)
It's a must have for oleds

>>105817320
This seems to have been fixed years ago in Debian at least:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=924516#51

>>105825077
>"gnome has spyware"
>looks inside
>debian added geoclue which gnome doesn't require but supports if enabled

>>105817516
Windows 8’s was better because it had the stuff along the side
GNOME in Debian 12 chose to chase after macOS instead of doing the mega-smooth “throw mouse in corner, slide down” thing
>>105819682
Based and Fittspilled
>>105820245
I use Launchpad sometimes and my mother uses it a lot

>>105825106
sudo systemctl list-units --type=service --all
On my Debian 12 machine doesn't return anything related to geolocation either. Yet more fud from >>105817320 unless he meant something else.

>>105824721
>ad hominem with no actual rebuttal
Thanks for admitting I'm right and you're wrong. I accept your concession. Filtered. Keep replying though, I'll never see it. I know you can't resist, you're already typing.

>>105825106
>which gnome doesn't require
https://gitlab.gnome.org/search?search=geoclue&nav_source=navbar&project_id=456&group_id=8&search_code=true&repository_ref=master

>>105820568
stfu ChatGPT.

My problem with gnome is that when I start games, I get spammed with "Program not responding" messages, some games like Deep Rock simply never worked for me but when I switched to Mint it worked like a charm. Weird.

I am on Mint rn but I love Ubuntu so much

>>105820661
>quote
link?

>>105825815
gsettings set org.gnome.mutter check-alive-timeout 30000
tldr shit programs block their main loop when loading and when the compositor asks if they are alive they dont respond. Command above increases the time to 30 seconds before telling you they are frozen.

>>105825077
>Geoclue comprises the following functionalities:
>* WiFi-based geolocation (accuracy: in meters)
>* GPS(A) receivers (accuracy: in centimeters)
>* GPS of other devices on the local network, e.g smartphones (accuracy: in centimeters)
>* 3G modems (accuracy: in kilometers, unless modem has GPS)
>* Static location source (reads location from a system-wide file)
>WiFi and cell tower-based geolocation used to use Mozilla Location Service, which closed on June 12th, 2024. Geoclue currently does not enable WiFi location by default.
This doesn't help the gnomies with the tablet allegations.....

anyone experience with running GNOME on Mint?

>>105826068
kde has built-in analytics with a slider and it STILL KRASHES AND DR KONQI ASKS YOU TO OPEN BUG REPORTS

>be me
>enjoy watching GNOMEfags and KDEfags yell at each other
Cheers

>>105818689
Launchpad was the gnome grid clone. Now they use Spotlight, the KRunner clone.

>>105820568
>>105820584
What a your alternative suggestions?
>>105825153
Try Gnome on Linux Mint.

>>105826321
Yes, it is good on laptops, but definitely not on desktops and geolocation/geoclue is all inbuilt spyware. Portmaster detects it EVERY SINGLE TIME, phoning home to Mozilla

>tablet UI on desktop

>>105820245
>Launchpad
They removed it in my Tahoe beta, it now behaves like picrel (search light).


Btw I gave up full time linux after 5 years Gnome is just too limiting for me, and I am tired of coping with electron apps for what should be native (which also perform like shit in wayland).
KDE is just awful for me desu, zero taste in design.

I'm a pro markets cuck and the lack of market incentives in Gnome are jarring, you can feel they're not shipping for customers.
Just entering the music folder on windows you can see custom columns and folder view probably the result of music heads.

God tier for development, but I made WSL2 work for me.
I'll keep it on a disk for ML stuff, but honestly could just make it a server.

>>105826769
I wish KRunner was that good.

I have been trying out COSMIC on Fedora and so far i'm okay with it. I much prefer it over gnome.

>>105827419
I stopped using it after the 5th 25gb memory leak in a week

>>105827635
I have heard it is unstable as hell and have had my own set of bullshit

>dynamic refresh rate set to 'auto'
>five nights at freddy's tier artifacting on a brand new asus zenbook oled
>set to ON
>laptop loses shit, clown vomit, cant see anything
>use memory of where cursor was previously
>set to OFF
>no stability problems at all afterward

my dad would tell me about these shit tier teething issues happening during the Apple System 10.0 days. Glad to see nobody has learned SHIT

>>105827350
>They removed it in my Tahoe beta, it now behaves like picrel (search light).
This is what I hate the most about tahoe, since I actually used the app drawer since it was somewhat similar to gnome's one.

>>105827693
definitely ready for beta BTW

>>105815670 (OP)
Cringe normie thread.

>>105827350
>WSL2
Just a slower and buggier Linux distro with lots of Windoze-specific problems.

>>105827350
It's always irrationally infuriating seeing a nice customized GNOME desktop with the retarded grey libadwaita apps open. Wish they weren't such spergs in that regard, Gradience was too good for this world.

>>105827951
yeah i hate how i can suspend my laptop and have it wake up and all my stuff is still there and everything works. hate that bug.

>>105820568
>>105820584
So we should use Devuan or Artix instead?

>>105815670 (OP)
Loving it. The whole team behind it might be retarded, but it's the best DE out there.

>>105829418
Ubuntu.

>>105829887
Ubunga

>>105828126
Funnily enough suspend worked better on linux, samba as well as RDP lmao. Windows can't even properly detect SMB servers on a LAN, I thought it was a meme, but there's a bug open since years.

>>105827951
Yeah, except I literally don't care for my webshit work stuff and other non ML stuff. ML I barely do anyway.
What I get in return, is... a proper human facing interface which never crashes.
People meme about bluescreens, last update I had 3 kernel panics. At least there was a cute ASCII penguin instead of a smiley ;)

One thing I don't get is hope winshitter cope with developping apps, visual studio is fucking disgusting, and MVC frameworks are pure dogshit. No wonder people go do webshit by default. You can iterate 300x faster.
What's the latest WinUI stuff, Win App SDK? I don't even know there's a dozen frameworks.

>>105827818
App drawer is literally dogshit, fucking useless, I wish that gnome at least gave us the option of customizing the view but no.
And now they're stuck with this shit tablet UI because the whole workflow revolves around the overview mode. GGwp

All the normies I saw run macos remove that app shit

>>105820019
wait wait wait, something as critical as lockscreen relies on qt?
L O L

>>105830139
Just for example I tried doing a quick github tracking widget. appxmanifest???? winlel dev mode??? debugger mode can't attach??? thousand different files for whatever the fuck... HOLY, I'd rather use GTK

>>105829418
Anything without systemd and gnome.

>>105815670 (OP)
fag