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READ THE WIKI! & help by contributing:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/wiki/Home_server

/hsg/ is about learning and expanding your horizons. Know all about NAS? Learn virtualization. Spun up some VMs? Learn about networking by standing up a OPNsense/PFsense box and configuring some VLANs. There's always more to learn and chances to grow. Think you’re god-tier already? Setup OpenStack and report back.

>What software should I run?
Install Gentoo. Or whatever flavor of *nix is best for the job or most comfy for you. Jellyfin/Emby/Plex to replace Netflix, Nextcloud to replace Googlel, Ampache/Navidrome to replace Spotify, the list goes on. Look at the awesome self-hosted list and ask.

>Why should I have a home server?
De-botnet your life. Learn something new. Serving applications to yourself, your family, and your frens feels good. Put your tech skills to good use for yourself and those close to you. Store their data with proper availability redundancy and backups and serve it back to them with a /comfy/ easy to use interface.

>Links & resources
Cool stuff to host: https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted
https://reddit.com/r/datahoarder
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/wiki/index
https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/Features
ARM-based SBCs: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PGaVu0sPBEy5GgLM8N-CvHB2FESdlfBOdQKqLziJLhQ
Low-power x86 systems: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LHvT2fRp7I6Hf18LcSzsNnjp10VI-odvwZpQZKv_NCI
SFF cases https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AddRvGWJ_f4B6UC7_IftDiVudVc8CJ8sxLUqlxVsCz4/
Cheap disks: https://shucks.top/ https://diskprices.com/
PCIE info: https://files.catbox.moe/id6o0n.pdf
>i226-V NICs are bad for servers
>For more SATA ports, use PCIe SAS HBAs in IT mode
WiFi fixing: pastebin.com/raw/vXJ2PZxn
Cockpit is nice for remote administration

Remember:
RAID protects you from DOWNTIME
BACKUPS protect you from DATA LOSS

i've been enlightened by the refurbed sff pcs as servers but are these suitable as a NAS?

Should I buy a SAS HBA and refurbished SAS drives or new SATA drives?

>>105818296
I would not pay these 2025 prices for new drives

>>105818454
Yeah thats what I'm thinking.
Need to promptly replace a failing drive in my main server and expand my backup drive pool but it's difficult to justify the prices right now.
6tb for £35 with a 12 month warranty is hard to turn down when a WD Red of the same capacity is 4 times as much.
Any recommendation on SAS HBAs?

Cheers

Alternatives to mpv-shim for jellyfin? For some reason it crashes my host device

I know everyone feel their way of using a server is best.
But is there some downside to just using containers instead of VMs?
Or just using VMs inside containers if need to?
I'm using SFF as my home server.
I tried proxmox and even with conservative allocation I found I quickly use up the resources.
I moved to debian and run most of the things in containers, and VMs inside containers for the stuff I need.
But after a while I moved to arch just for the latest packages.
So is there some downsides for what am I doing?

I'm a babby and I'm thinking about buying a NAS
I'm not gud enough to set it up so I'm buying one of the branded ones.

Do I go for 2 bay, or spend the extra $150 and get a 4 bay? Right now I've used around 2TB on a cheap NAS i got. But I could probably delete a fair few things and drop it down to 1TB.
I didn't want to spend too much on a NAS but wonder if it's worth it for future proofing

>>105818008 (OP)
me on the right

How do I migrate containers/images to new machine?
Including the mounted volumes.
I goofed around and deleted the DOCKERFILE and docker-compose files

>>105818828
get a used 4bay qnap

ChatGPT burned me. I had a 8 disk RAIDZ array where I wanted to replace with one SMR disk with CMR and I trusted ChatGPT too much and it ended up destroying the pool. At least it was only EMP torrents and redundant backups so nothing of value was lost, which is why I got lazy and just asked ChatGPT to take care of it. Lowkey I'm glad since now I'll have to download everything from EMP again and that will gain me more DL which should unlock a medal.

It also did replace the boot drive cause I just blindly accepted that HDD1 is scsi0 and that of course is the system drive. Thankfully I could restore it. ChatGPT has helped me achieve so much that I could not achieve but sometimes it burns me hard when I don't keep up my guard. Still, even though it fucked me over this time, it's a good lesson for when it's time to do shit with data that actually matters.

>>105818883
why q-nap? which model would you recommend?

>>105819135
he recommended qnap because it's the cheaper of the brands

>>105819027
how...
even if you'd hotswap the drive without taking the pool down, it should have resilvered without a hitch. or were you running linux instead of freebsd?

>>105819171

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS. I don't know what happened, I've resilvered before many times. It just refused to acknowledge the disk even though it reports fine in Proxmox. New situation to me so I decided to play russian roulette and I won. Sometimes ChatGPT is really good with this, sometimes not. My mistake was using 4o not o4 or o3. 4o makes these sort of ignorant mistakes the reasoning models never make, but I'm impatient and it takes a while for o4 to respond while 4o is almost instant.

It's a consumer grade PC so no hot swap available.

>>105819135
just the biggest cheapest you can find used. some people are selling them and they give the drives away for free (not huge drives but useful for your use case)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/177243080356

>>105819317
But are they performant or gonna be kinda shit? I'll probably do media playback at least, dk about transcoding

>>105819362
get a two bay asustor then

https://www.ebay.com/itm/146642529011

>>105800805

>>105819760
unironically nothing wrong with being a helpdesk monkey if its your first ever job or a way to get into it.
staying helpdesk for more than a year or two however...

>>105818008 (OP)
Fuck corpo distros
I'm going back to arch linux

>>105820900
>I'm going back to arch linux

>>105819760
>>105820956
>unironically posting ai slop
Grim

>>105820993

>>105818155
yea why not

>2x Epyc 7401 server
>OC R7 1700 w/ 1080TI
looking to combine them with a Epyc 9474F and 5070TI. thoughts? it's the most economically dollar wise. proxmox GPU/USB/SSD passthrough for light gaymen and work. sever doing server stuff.

>>105818008 (OP)
Post interesting shit you've found on ebay and the internet in general. I'm in the mood for browsing things and seeing new to me and interesting stuff I can get for cheap.
Thanks.

>>105818733
>But is there some downside to just using containers instead of VMs?
Honestly, unless you need autistic levels of seperation / encapsulation, a container will be just fine, use less resources and be easier to administrate.
>So is there some downsides for what am I doing?
Not from what I can see. The VMs inside the containers might be a bit overkill, but if you need windows programs it'll be what it is.
>>105818828
Get the 4 port and DO NOT get a synology. They've put DRM on their fucking hard drives. They need to feel the pain.
Some user recommended Qnap and honestly, I'm doing the same. Get Qnap if you're not willing to build it yourself from the ground up.
>>105821931
I'm not quite getting what you're planning to do? I assume your > are the two systems you're running right now and you want to add a third 9474F to that rack?

>>105810715
no, its dead jim, unmaintaned and fan hardware has moved on, it cant detect anything modern where modern is (from the last 5 years or so)
unless it happens to use the same drivers. it cant detect a single fan on my p620 or 520. but fan control not only can detect them, it can take total control. since my MB despite having DWM doesnt use it (simply powers them on by fractions) using it is mandatory to keep the bloweymatrons in the front of my case from making my ears bleed.

>>105822120
running a normal desktop and a server. both are dated and looking to consolidate into one box to replace both instead of individually.

>>105818733
>But is there some downside to just using containers instead of VMs?
containers share kernel space with the hypervisor so it's objectively dangerous in some contexts to use them. otherwise they're lightweight as fuck and save a ton of resources.

>>105818155
if you need hard drives, build in a normal PC case instead, there's no point taking a tiny machine and making it big, or doing usb drive spaghetti

>>105818568
LSI/broadcom 9300, 9400, 9500

Trying to setup a decent home Plex server, also run some other minor things off of it.

Here are some specs, I have 4 8TB Seagate HDDs laying around - let me know if this seems reasonable.

CPU: Intel Core i3-12100F 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor

CPU Cooler: Thermalright Assassin X 120 Refined SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler

Motherboard: ASRock B760M PG Riptide Wifi Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard

Memory: G.Skill Flare X5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL36 Memory

Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

Case: DARKROCK Classico Storage Master ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply: Thermaltake Smart 600 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply

Total: $488.45

Any recommendations or beginner tips would be greatly appreciated.

>>105823052
Dont get the i3 F version. Get a used i5 12400

>>105818008 (OP)
Unrelated but did he use plastic plate to screw the motherboard. Is it safe

>OpenWRT on VPS

>>105823052
Don't get the f version. No igpu for debuging/setup and no quicksync.

How paranoid should I be about letting family on Jellyfin? I set things up with Cloudflare orange cloud and wildcards pointing to my home router, ports 80 and 443 only forwarded to my server, and then Caddy pointing to Jellyfin. Is there anything else I'm supposed to do?

I've inherited a shitty laptop from a relative, not sure why, and I'm not sure what to do with it. I was reminded some people use old computers as "servers", but how? It seems like if you really want to run one you want a decent CPU. This thing has the same power as a 6th gen Intel i3.

>>105824833
>I was reminded some people use old computers as "servers", but how?
put debian headless plus nginx on it or if you are a complete fucking loser use windows shit:
https://rejetto.com/hfs/

>This thing has the same power as a 6th gen Intel i3.
You think it takes power or RAM to saturate a 1 Gbit/s connection with an outdated protocol? I even run TLS1.3 on top of it on shitty SoCs

once you have either running I tell you how to issue a TLS cert with letsencrypt

>>105822495
>it's objectively dangerous in some contexts to use them
In what way?

>>105824865
>rejetto
>Geo-firewall
Nice

What's the difference between LXC and Docker?

>>105824865
You don't have to walk me through anything, you can just tell what you've been doing with similar devices. I appreciate it, but it's late for me so I'm not going to do much with it tonight.
>use windows
I should mention this thing has a 64gb emmc. It has W10 on it with barely anything on it and it's about 3/4ths full. I will definitely not be using Windows on it.

>>105823658
Looks like a metal plate from some atx case

>>105824959
The branding.

>>105824987
So it's all the same?
I thought it was different things because docker would cause issue when I tried it in proxmox

>>105824965
then read the rest of my post and the other OS and software I suggested you retard
why are ESL shitters always selective readers?
for the nix stuff I suggested you just RTFM, where M is NOT manual but man page

>>105825021
>calls me an ESL
>can't even use proper punctuation
Okay, nigger. I'll disregard everything you say even if it was helpful because you're a salty ass nigger for no reason. Enjoy being a nigger.

>>105824833
It's trash. Just throw it away.

>>105822120
>Post interesting shit you've found on ebay

ebay.com/itm/146260602653

>buy minpc
>average temps are 59~70C
>remove case
>remove shitty cpu fan
>place basic 120mm fan on top of pcb
>average temps are 39-45C now
hmm

>>105825277
Yea but how do you stack them now

>>105825302
i only have one at the moment. I could 3D print a custom case for that I guess. Don't get me wrong I love my mini-pc, but the thermals due to being in a tiny case makes me sad. I had to go with this solution because the shitty fan died in it and im waiting on a replacement.

I need hardware recommendations. I need a small appliance to host a firewall, VPN server, DNS, smb (at least 4tb), Kerberos and windows active directory servers. In the future I also plan to host some small web services, most likely on docker. I need it to be powerful enough to run all these services comfortably, easy to repair, small and unobtrusive since I will host an identical one at my parent's house and they wouldn't want a big noisy pc tower in their living room. If possible I would also like it to have at least two 10g network interfaces or more.

I have been using a proliant micro server gen 10 (the bigger one, top spec, 16gb ram), but found it too underpowered for my use.

My budget is about 500€ (I can go over if the option is really good, but preferably lower), and it must be available in Europe.

Let me know if this sounds completely unrealistic. I appreciate suggestions if you think there is something I overlooked.

>>105825092
it's called not making an effort if a headless distro and nginx are not enough of a starting point from me
why would I tell you more than what you can self-teach yourself in 30 mins reading man pages?
i expect your server to be up and running by the evening

>>105825534
Do you want to build it yourself or are you looking for something off the shelf?

>>105825967
I don't mind building it myself, but it would be easier if I can buy it off the shelf, because I will need to ship one to my parents and it would be easier if I can get it delivered pre-assembled to their house. The other upside of buying something off-the-shelf is that I could potentially get something small like a micro-pc, which will be easier for them to accept than a giant tower in the living room. Of course SFF builds are also an option, but from my experience they are harder to assemble/maintain and components are way more expensive. If you have some recommendations that would address that, I am still willing to make some compromises though.

I have been looking at various mini PCs as an option but there are so many SKUs and I am not familiar enough with the hardware to know what level of performance to expect. Hence why I am looking for advice.

I'm new to homeserver so I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask.
Sometimes when I doomscroll I find a video that I want to save, but this mean I need to use something like yt-dlp to do so.
Is there a way to automate this process?
Like an always on container that listen to a URL and execute a script or a command?

>>105826266
You could set up crontab or scheduled tasks to execute one of these scripts https://github.com/TheFrenchGhosty/TheFrenchGhostys-Ultimate-YouTube-DL-Scripts-Collection or make your own script with your own criteria for yt-dlp

>>105826470
how much of a faggot does one have to be to self insert your nick so hard into the URI twice?
just fork his shit out of spite and rename it.
then put it under WTFPL

>>105826482
>French
>Not a faggot

I use my own yt-dlp script as I'm not a shitter but anon is new to this so would probably benefit from those scripts.

100 days and my gaymer crap hasn't crashed yet.

>>105826493
which is based, since it is not that hard to pass a few "best" parameters and control the format to some free, libre that plays well in browsers such as webm.
sadly I often have to convert to m4a or mp4 when sharing stuff with iToddlers over signal

>>105826119
If you want to build it yourself you could buy something like a Jonsbo case and spec it yourself? A cheap motherboard, low end ryzen and some ram. I don't think you'll be able to get two servers set up for €500 or less without serious compromises but it will be upgradeable.

May be worth looking at a Gen 8 Microserver as you can upgrade the CPU to something not shit. The only issue is depending on your drive redundancy the on-board RAID controller is absolute dogshit so you would either have disk performance or 10gbe networking. You can't really upgrade anything though. These can go for €150~ without disks, and without a raid or network card.

I would be tempted to buy something like a Supermicro 1U CSE-512-350 but again this meets your minimum specs and is not upgradeable really. I can find these for about €115 without disk and without 10gbe networking. This won't be that quiet though.

>>105826470
>all that shit for 6K long yt-dlp command
And it doesn't even do what I wanted.

Any recommendation on a cheap 2.5G (or more) switch with at least 8 ports? I need only 2 2.5G ports desu, but the more the better I guess

>>105826563
I was thinking 500€ per server, so that should mean better budget. I already mentioned that the micro server gen 10 was not powerful enough for me, so is there really any CPU on the gen 8 socket that would provide a significant upgrade in performance over the gen 10? I don't really know enough about CPUs to tell what would be good. As for rack mount chassis, that is not really an option for me, since one of them will be in a living room so noise is a deal breaker.

Why is used Unifi equipment so expensive suddenly? I just want a low power draw POE switch.

>>105819437
thank you
what software would this come with?

>>105822120
I've been considering UGreen instead of QNap. I'm still not sure on 2 port or 4 port. I doubt I'll use up all the space on a 2bay, I mean, you can have up to 64tb

What other benefits are there for a 4 bay over a 2 bay? How long can a NAS sort of last? If I get the Ugreen with the N100, could it say, be good and I mean good for the next 10/15 years or is it likely to become a bit obsolete and slow and need replacing anyway?
Because if it'll need replacing I might as well get the 2 bay and upgrade some time in the future to a 4 bay.

Cost is just prohibitive, the only thing is I've got some 40% off on Amazon up to $100, feels like I should make the most of it cause that shit ain't coming around often kek

>>105826919
It isn't?

The prices have remained consistent.

>>105824959
> large hands
> brow ridge
> jaw line
> thick, T-damaged hair
That's not a woman.

>>105827343
you're brainwashed into seeing things that are not there.
That's 100% XX female, she's just ugly.

I've got a My Cloud Home I've been using for a few years.

Can I just shuck the drive from it and put it into a new NAS? I'd guess I'd have to format it or something first so would need to back it up
Also when it comes to NAS, what types of drives do I buy? Do you have to get specific NAS drives or will any do? Used or only New?

>>105825277
Man, my thermals are so good that I think I'm going to keep it like this and not even using my replacement fan. I think i'll make cover with cardboard and cutout the holes for the ports.

How the fuck do you use cuntainers with selinux it won't let it read anything

>>105824959
this is what they took from you

>>105828819
podman has specific mount parameters.
not sure why you would be using anything other than podman with selinux.

>>105827029
>what software would this come with?
"asustore adm"

>>105822632
is there a prebuilt or something you recommend?

>>105822313
Looks good if you have the moneys, dunno about your opsec though. But your desktop will run 24/7 (or how long your server ran). If your desktop sits in your bedroom like in my case you'll want to KYS.
What are you doing that you'll need a 9474F anyways?
>>105825270
That's interesting
>>105827029
>What other benefits are there for a 4 bay over a 2 bay?
Running RAID10, Running RAID 5, Running RAID6, having space for a hot spare, etc.
>How long can a NAS sort of last?
Depends on how you treat it.
>If I get the Ugreen with the N100, could it say, be good and I mean good for the next 10/15 years or is it likely to become a bit obsolete and slow and need replacing anyway?
The problem is that the Ugreen NAS are first gen products of what essentially used to be a dropshitter chink company, which to be fair is the best case of what can become of dropshitting. But it is still untested without long-term reviews.
They might turn out to have great longevity and run 20 years without any incidents, or you might wake up in 6 months to a dead NAS with no data and a horde of angry s-o-y-tubers claiming they had known all along that Ugreen NAS will fail after having uploaded ambiguous reviews a year prior.
The N100 is a single RAM-channel ANEMIC CPU and the NAS they put it into has 2.5G Ethernet. I would at least aim for 10G for the next 10 years and SFP for past that. Even if your current desktop won't have ever faster copper, SFP on desktops is not Sci-Fi anymore and WiFi is going to do some crazy stuff.
But planning a home use NAS so far in advance is like planning your lunch for the next 20 years. It's something only large organizations like the army would do to save on resources, not your average Joe Schmoe.
>Because if it'll need replacing I might as well get the 2 bay and upgrade some time in the future to a 4 bay.
Honestly, that's the best course, buy something you might replace within 5 years.

cont.

>>105829759
Personally want some SBC that has
>2x10G Ethernet / 2xSFP / 1x10G Ethernet + 1xSFP
>8x4.0 PCIe lanes / 2x PCIE4.0 M.2 slots
>At least 8GB of ECC RAM
that I can plop down next to my Computer.

>be me
>use a fortigate 60f as a home router
>was looking into policy deep ssl inspection
>see option "Decrypted Traffic Mirror"
>click on it
>giant legal disclaimer pops up
>dafuq.jpg
>so apparently deeps ssl inspection decrypts traffic to look at headers and stuff for anything malicious but this decrypted traffic is discarded or not decrypted when you perform a diagnostic packet capture on the firewall
>but you have the option of forwarding all decrypted traffic to anything, like say your computer running wireshark
>now have access to https headers, auth tokens, cookies, payload etc all in plaintext
ok thats kind of nuts and could be very useful for say, figuring out how to automate the use of a phone app with python.

Why do people overcomplicate backups with raid and syncing software?

I have 1 hot drive on a NAS a i use. I'll occasionally backup my pc's as they run out of space onto my nas through a wired connection via drag and drop and then do the same shit on a cold drive i take out the drawer and plug in through a USB hub.

I don't trust syncing software and use Windows explorer to compare copied files to make sure everything is good.

>>105826919
i wish that book existed

>>105829814
didnt read the thread but minisforum ms-a2 might come close to what you are looking for

anyone running unifi in a docker container?
i have trouble with aps not updating clients being disconnected.
any wifi client i have will stay as being connected even if it is not connected anymore.

>>105818860
mount the containers/volumes and copy the files that way. No idea if images themselves are transferable.

>>105824959
the difference lies within the way you interact with them, both are essentially chroots but docker is designed around having an standardized form of running/deploying certain software, hence it's called "application container", and also being immutable while lxc is designed around you being able to run an entire operating system without the overhead of a virtual machine, it isn't scoped to a single application, and it is mutable

there are also other differences like the way they handle images and stuff but don't want to get into that

>>105826266
I have an irc bot that does exactly this, it listen on camwhores' rooms though, can be modified to listen on other URL's

why is the most portable and reliable method of data mirroring copy pasting drive A onto drive B once a month? Every single automated solution either fucks you over once a drive dies or only works on that exact configuration

>>105831209
rsync cron job

QRD on windows "Storage Spaces"?

>>105831373
Virtual Jbod

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006582613023.html?spm=

GUN to your head you have to buy this chinesium and do some /hsg/ shit with it, what do you set up on it?

>>105830858
can you share it?
It's precisely what am I looking for.

>>105831400
I would read this first
>https://e5450.com/socket-2011-3/qiyida-x99-e5-d4/

>>105828091
NAS is such a wide term, you can just have a few SSD's/NVME drives on a machine and call it a nas, it really depends on what you want to achieve with it.

I'm pretty casual, my "NAS" is just a 1TB NVME attached to a raspberry pi 5 with an addon board but its worked flawlessly for about half a year now with the only downtime being power outages or when I decide to run updates. It draws very little power and doesn't make much noise at all yet delivers 4k video across my home perfectly (via Jellyfin hosted on a mini-PC on the same network).

A lot of its about budget and your comfort/experience honestly, just try setting something up with old drives if you have any or buy a few cheap 1tb drives and see how you like it. Install ubuntu server with casaOS or openmediavault on an old laptop and see what you feel you're missing once its set up, you'd be shocked how far a pi 5 or an N100 mini PC can really go.

>>105831306
how about on windows?

>>105829814
doesn't exist

>>105831745
https://www.itefix.net/cwrsync

>>105829860
>anon discovers break and inspect with SPAN and his mind is blown
wait till you see the performance hit

>*** System restart required ***

>>105831794
after some research, I think I'm just going to write a script to run robocopy between the 2 drives and call it whenever I'm organizing stuff

>>105832096
What is some software that can do that? I want to test it on a few vm

>>105831416
I will at some point in the future, I have to update it and I don't have too much free time

>>105832623
you need to set up your own PKI and certs and load them on the VM and then load them into the firewall in order to decrypt SSL/TLS inline sessions. look up literature on break-and-inspect or deep packet inspection (DPI) or layer 7 inspection.

if you dont want to set up your own PKI and certificate environment then you can do stuff like encrypted traffic analytics which can do DPI but it does correlation based inspection of the encrypted payloads and inspects headers/metadata only. typically people use stealthwatch and cisco eta flows for that (like ipfix but sexier).

if you dont have a background in security the research alone is going to take a few weeks.

>>105832902
Not involved in this discussion but what's the point of this? TLS man in the middle would be very obvious so why wouldn't you just take the packets at the end, what's the point of trying to man in the middle it?

>>105831209
raid 10 has worked numerous times for me when a drive failed. all i have to do is buy another one and the data is automatically synced.

>>105832265
system restarts are such a pain in the ass for servers. an update could prevent it from starting, or some configuration you made a month ago that doesnt take effect until you restart finally gets applied and borks your system

>>105833101
and when your raid controller fails?

>>105833167
nobody uses hardware raid anymore, anon

>>105833167
never used a raid controller, so the only way it fails is if both drives die at the same time, or somehow the mirror drive gets completely corrupted without my knowledge

>>105831520
>>105828091
Thank for the help.
I'm kinda just wondering what kind of drives I need to buy for the NAS though. I don't really have older drives to use so need to get some.

I don't know if I can just use regular hard drives, get some used drives or if Surveillance hard drives will be OK, or if really I just need to get NAS speicifc hard drives or else I'm gonna have problems.
I even tried asking chat-gpt and it told me to get the NAS specific drives

>>105831400
>>105831508
Is there any decent and cheap chink X99 mobo that makes this worthwhile? I want to build a dedicated LLM box, but I'm in macaco land (Brazil) and the used market fucking sucks.

>>105829441
Is it good?
>>105829759
>or you might wake up in 6 months to a dead NAS with no data and a horde of angry s-o-y-tubers claiming they had known all along that Ugreen NAS will fail after having uploaded ambiguous reviews a year prior.
The thing with this is that from what I'm aware, you can easily install TrueNAS and OpenNAS on the Ugreen. Even though I've no experience with them, if UGreen do decide it's time to be kill, then at least I'm not left with a complete pile of junk, right?
>I would at least aim for 10G for the next 10 years and SFP for past that
Thanks for the tip as well. To be honest I can't think of much I'm going to need that kind of speed for. I think about 10 years ago I got around 50mbps, 10 years later I get 250. Not a huge jump but it seems to do what I ask it.

I was kinda hoping I could get the 4 bay UGreen and then just forget about NAS's for the future as it'd just run along fine for like a decade.
But idk if that's realistic. Thing is with the 2 bay I'd have to buy 2 matching capacity drives if I'm ever to expand the storage. Right now I'd be at 4tb, because I have a spare 4tb drive, but should the time come it'll probably be a pain in the arse to increase storage space. Not only buying 2 new drives but then doing the whole transfer, idk how it'd even work.

>>105833375
You wont find that combo cheaper than aliexpress.
From what i've seen you could try mercadolivre at least you can get one in 12 payment, still 2x expensive in the end though.

But idk about the shipping and overall market there.

my current setup is: mini pc, proxmox installed on the 256gb nvme, 2tb sata ssd currently sitting there, unformatted
i want to use the ssd as NAS but i'm very new to home server-ing and i'm unsure of how to proceed or what services to use. what do?

>>105833853
why did you install proxmox if you just want a nas? just install a linux distro and run samba to get yourself started.

>>105834075
because i don't just want a NAS, i'm running other services on it too

>>105834124
Sounds like something you could do with a Linux distro and Samba or NFS

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3

>>105834209
or he can run proxmox and do all that with easy backups. Its just debian with a webui.

>>105834254
>with easy backups
Sounds like something you could do with any Linux distro

>>105834215
>>105834225
Now this is podracing!

>>105834258
yeah, like proxmox, a linux distro!

>>105834271
>installing a special distro to save yourself 10-20m of setup
anon

>>105834280
I mean he can do it all on any distro he wanted, but he would probably end up on debian or ubuntu anyways, so why not.

>>105834271
so far we've established that you want to run a NAS and "some other services"
but you don't know where to get started on the NAS stuff, so you were told to install linux. you can do that in a proxmox guest if you're so fixated on that. you never explained why proxmox. you never explained what other services you're so desperate to run on proxmox, and I'm assuming we would tell you to run them in docker or podman instead anyway.

>>105834304
>but he would probably end up on debian or ubuntu anyways, so why not.
With that attitude just run Windows and pay for Azure

>>105834306
im not even the guy. He came up with proxmox and proxmox can do everything you can do on any other linux distro because it's jsut debian with some extra UI and help program stuff related to managing VMs and LXC containers. Anything you install on debian (which is anything you would want to use linux for) can be done on proxmox. not hearing any reason not to use proxmox if that's what caught his fancy.

>>105834326
Does proxmox fit on a 2GB sd card?

>>105834402
probably not. So if that's your constraint it's certainly a valid one.

>>105834306
i'm the guy in question. i was also confused by your response because i thought you were sarcastically suggesting i stop using proxmox and just install linux + samba on bare metal, but i think i understand now you meant as a vm (?)

If I already have a server up running jellyfin/nextcloud/whatever is there a benefit to the "use an old laptop as a server" thing? Is there something more I can do with 2 computers?

>>105834402
Even if you could, you shouldnt

https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/pve-8-1-excessive-writes-to-boot-ssd.144201/

>>105834196
What's this

Anyone know if pic related is worth money?

I'd like to do something with them, but i realized i'm not enough of a nerd to find a purpose for them.

>5x8TB
>4x4TB
Assuming I keep a spare in a drawer for each, would it be a bad idea to run the following in TrueNAS?

VDEV1 2x8TB Mirror
VDEV2 2x8TB Mirror
VDEV3 3x4TB RAIDZ1
All pooled into 24TB

I could just run 4x8TB in Z1 but I don't know how much faster 3 VDEVs would be.

>>105818008 (OP)
Is that HDD enclosure DIY or sold somewhere? I got an old 3570 cpu and mobo, may be i could make a pfSense/nas out of it?

>>105818860

Unfortunately it isn't easy to re-create the container, but you can inspect the running container to pull out all the relevant bits. Its a pain but does work.

docker inspect <id or name of container>

A tool called docker-autocompose exists but i've never tried it.

>>105832980
you're going to have to be clearer.

>>105826667
Cheap switch from Aliexpress, choices are endless but most units are the same internally. I like the Gigaplus GP-S25-0802

If you want non-ali bargins then amazon, pay the premium for your house not burning down.

Your webserver choice for a reverse proxy?
Native or containerized?

>>105826667
C3850-24XU

>>105835113
Having a single device avoids complexity, having another device means you can run more things sure. But if your server is running everything just fine keep it running that way.

If you want to tinker perhaps use the laptop to test stuff on, even if it is 'server stuff'.

>>105836584
Depends on the use case for container. But nginx all day every day, i like the simple config vs. apache.

>>105836020
Not loads, couple hundred bucks, more if they work.

My wife insists on buying a laptop with less storage than the games she wants to play can hold. I’ve decided that I want to setup a network storage for steam games then. It seems I will need to setup an ISCSI drive to get the speeds that would be comfortable, however the problem I am running into is it seems I will need a cluster filesystem if I want to also access this and have any VM’s access the drive too, to share the game downloads. Is there any way you would recommend that is easy to setup this, an ISCSI drive with a cluster filesystem between windows and Linux? Is there really no option for like a “merging” solution, where multiple pcs can access the drive and then any changes get merged so I don’t need a clustered filesystem?

>>105836750
They work. Seems like prices vary wildly here in Yurup.
Kinda feel bad for flipping them, i just can't summon up the time and enthusiasm required.

>>105837595
Lol. Lmao. Kek even.
What the fuck?
Is your wife a cuck? Why does he want to do this?
Why not just do the obvious, and upgrade the storage? Maybe she wants the laptop for a keyboard or style, but she shouldn't complain about upgrading the NVMe from a 1TB to an 4TB or even just adding a secondary NVMe if it has the slot.

Loading games over a network is going to be miserable.
You'd be better off having her game on a USB SSD. That's a very cheap 5-10Gbps connection vs what is probably going to be worse which is commonly 1Gbps ethernet or Wi-Fi...

>>105837978
WiFi 7 is supposed to be able to handle up to 48Gbps anon, I already have a 10Gbps Ethernet setup too. It seems completely feasible to load over network, I’m just stumped by the cluster filesystem setup.

>>105838030
>WiFi 7 is supposed to be able to handle up to 48Gbps anon
Yes, when you have the antenna directly inserted into your anus your colon can get 48Gbps if you're really pushing down on it, but that's about it. The real benefit to 7 is that it handles things more efficiently and can handle more clients.. not actually deliver one of them an actual 48Gbps.

>I already have a 10Gbps Ethernet setup too.
That's cool, but so what? Is the laptop going to have it too? What happens when she wants to do the obvious and bring a laptop away from home? What then? Oh, VPN in to the home network and oh wait suddenly that nice LAN is limited by WAN speeds and sucks ass...
USB drive for games is a better option.
If this were a desktop situation she could just get internal drives instead but more importantly she could also just easily install a 10G network card to it, and wouldn't have to worry about moving the desktop out of network but laptops are laptops and people like to take them places.

>>105836573
What's the point of decrypting TLS packets in the middle? If you wanted to see what's inside them just decrypt at the end of the connection not the middle. There's no scenario where you would be able to implement this where the end user isn't painfully aware of the man in the middle. And if that end user is you then why bother doing it in the middle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upmmreb6y-U

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>Brown hands
IT Indians are using AI TTS now lmao

>>105838072
Ok fair point. So for the laptop removable storage should be preferred as a last resort over network storage. What about for my existing desktops and VM setups, how do I setup network storage with a cluster filesystem?

>>105836020
Yea those "vintage" cases go for a decent amount of cash on ebay sometimes

>>105833375
Chink x99 boards are terrible, most of the time they don't even use a real x99 Chipset

>>105833853
Format the drive with whatever you want
Install an LXC that has your desired level of SMB/NFS hand holding
Bind mount the LXC to your disk
EZ
>>105834280
>proxmox just saves you like, 10-20 mins of setup
Yeah, anon, noone uses Proxmox in the real world, they all just run plain Debian as their hypervisors
>>105836144
Use L2ARC :^)
>>105838030
Ignoring this guy >>105838072, he's right but it's not really just to do with signal quality
You won't see 48Gbs to a single client, at most you'll get a client with a 2x2 radio you'll get like, 1-3Gb/s in ideal conditions

Any podman users?
Can I have a bunch of service containers, a db container and a reverse proxy share a pod, have them all connect to each other over localhost on different ports, then map 443 on the host to the reverse proxy? Would that work?

What is the recommended file system to run on an array of nvme SSDs? Is it still zfs?

why are faggots itt so obsessed with running games off network shared folders

>>105838864
There's more than 1? There was one anon asking about it.
If I had a whole bunch of devices that needed the same steam library I'd do it, not really much point for me though.
>>105838811
Yeah ZFS seems to be the best at the moment, haven't seen anyone mention anything else other than BTRFS which apparently is terrible with arrays.

Anyone know what drives the 28TB Seagate Expansion external uses?

>>105833469
>The thing with this is that from what I'm aware, you can easily install TrueNAS and OpenNAS on the Ugreen. Even though I've no experience with them, if UGreen do decide it's time to be kill, then at least I'm not left with a complete pile of junk, right?
Software wise. I was not going on about the hardware.
>I was kinda hoping I could get the 4 bay UGreen and then just forget about NAS's for the future as it'd just run along fine for like a decade.
Only one way to find that out. Buy the one with 10G Ethernet though.
>Thing is with the 2 bay I'd have to buy 2 matching capacity drives if I'm ever to expand the storage. Right now I'd be at 4tb, because I have a spare 4tb drive, but should the time come it'll probably be a pain in the arse to increase storage space. Not only buying 2 new drives but then doing the whole transfer, idk how it'd even work.
Uhm. You might want to read up on backups and raid.
>>105830292
>minisforum ms-a2
Looks good, but no ECC is kind of a dealbreaker for me.
>>105831765
Pain. Guess I'll have to build it myself then.

>>105838864
Because it is neat.

>>105838489
goddamn literally nobody uses this crap, nothing works right with it unless you make it pretend it's docker in which case you'd just use docker

Reverse proxy babby here.

Set up nginx to get local certs on my Truenas server / apps.

Everything is working great, with the exception of Tailscale.

Tailscale is installed and working on both my phone / laptop and the server (docker app). Tailscale web ui sees both.

However, when I try to access my server it gives me the nginx proxy manager splash page telling me the host isn't set up yet.

Is this a nginx issue or a firewall NAT (opnsense) issue? I tried tinkering in both, but figured this is a common thing to have to set up. Do I need to have a tailscale proxy host entry in nginx? Everything I read says no.

Appreciate the help.

>building up old server for a simple game server box
>decide to go nvme
>supermicro x9 platform doesn't support nvme boot that's ok
>feeling extremely lazy
>use chatgpt to explain roughly how to use clover efi to boot a volume stored on the nvme in a raid-Z
>it suggests instead to just mod the bios to support nvme booting
>what
>dig deeper
>it name drops a few tools and the dxe driver
>ask to give some instructions
>gives completely incorrect info
>figure it out anyway because there is very few options with the tool
>insert nvme driver into bios update image from supermicro and flash it over ipmi
>fucking works

neat

>>105840864
Very popular mod, surprised there are people who hadn't heard of it

>>105840891
Well I didn't know :)
I've had these two servers a while and no desire to use them for basic sas drives, this changes a bit since one can full speed 8 drives in theory

I'm going to build a little Pi NAS with the Radxa Penta board and dio my toes in my first NAS/home server. Which SSDs would you recommend? Should I splurge on 4 WD Reds or some cheaper SSDs will be fine for home usage. I only plan on buying 1 TB drives, I will try to set up Jellyfin but I don't have that much media anyway, I just don't know if better SSDs like samsungs or WD Reds are overkill for this or not.

Man is there a single web music player out there that doesn't do the stupid splitting an album by the individual track's artists?
I have a ton of soundtracks and each one gets split into 5000 different albums because surprise multiple people worked on it.

>>105840690
you should check the nginx logs. my guess would be routes from the wire guard subnet or NAT reflection / hairpin

>>105818008 (OP)
>Mac Mini is 555€ on Amazon right now
I've got an itch that I might scratch. I might buy one to see what that thing can do and if I like what I'm seeing I might turn my PC into a Server for all my shit.

Good Idea? Bad Idea?
Also two questions:
Does anyone know if MacOS can do iSCSI and SSH -X? Or should I ask in >>>/g/fag/ ?

>>105841404
why kneecap yourself with that silicon when stuff like this exists

https://www.amazon.com/MINISFORUM-i9-12900HK-Threads-PCIe4-0-Computer/dp/B0CZ3998TT

>>105841472
I want to see what it is like.

>>105839300
>Uhm. You might want to read up on backups and raid.
I have a little, it's a lot to take in
>Buy the one with 10G Ethernet though.
I can't afford to stretch that far anon. Even this is a bit much.
>hardware
Oh right. There's no reason a UGreen should be any more prone to failing though, right?

>>105841518
>I want to see what it is like.

>>105841292
So what I am looking for? So far no errors logged at all. I think its because my router is sending anything coming in on 443:8080 (tailnet) to the nginx proxy by default.

How do I stop this but not break all the other dependent certs?

Force nginx to be on a different ip address?

>>105840864
>nvme boot
via pcie adapter?

>>105842342
Correct, the cheapest 10 dollar one on amazon.

>create efi partition on all four drives
>create raid-z1 pool with the rest
>install OS to pool
>setting up grub
>error Unknown Filesystem
>zfs module present
>

>>105841596
the nginx logs should say who is connecting and why it's giving the failure

>>105842772
>>105841596
Sorry, change the log level and be sure to check both access and error logs of nginx.

damn ubuntu+mdadm is cool

seems to be more flexable than ZFS in that I can use seperate partitions instead for my arrays

>>105842790
you can use partitions in zfs. it's not recommended, but it's possible. if you want to split a disk up just use zvols

I want to host a chan website on a homeserver, but I don't want the users to know my ip address.

What's the best way to achieve this?

>>105838108
are you dumb? all you need to do is drop a cert on someones computer. you can do this during enrollment of devices in an MDM solution or any other different number of ways. break and inspect allows you to do DPI based blocking, DLP, and a number of other things. stay the fuck away from networking.

>>105843365
get a vps and setup a reverse proxy to your homeserver, or might as well just host it on your vps

>>105843713
anon this is home server general. if you want to snoop on your kids fine, that's what I was asking--whats the point.

>>105843884
it's not just for snooping idiot. you have some kind of fixation on it being exclusively for looking at packet payloads manually. you can do proper IPS with it, you can do automated DLP to prevent people in your network from exfiltrating shit or saying keywords like your home address or personal details. MDM solutions aren't just for enterprise either if that's what you're implying by trying to move the goal posts to "uhh I MEANT WHY DO THSI AT HOME!". parents who are IT professionals enroll their kids shit in MDM solutions all the time.

>>105843884
nta but this could allow you to detect illegal activity from devices inside your network, particularly useful if you provide internet access to multiple tenants.
>t. landlord anon

>>105843832
thank you very much for your advice. I would rather not host it there, I had a very bad experience with AWS the last time I tried hosting there.

I will do the vps reverse proxy thingy. Do I also need to buy cloudflare in addition to the VPS?

>>105843921
>>105843923
Thanks for explaining the point anons. That's all I wanted.

>>105843923
So you install certs on their devices to allow them to use the wifi? I'd probably just get my own ISP in that case?

>>105844012
you're going to need a domain, a private ip for your homeserver (or dyndns) and SSL certs. The last can be obtained for free if you already have a domain

>>105844032
landlord anon here
>So you install certs on their devices to allow them to use the wifi?
I don't do this. I was just giving one possible usecase, but if I wanted to then yeah, or, use a transparent proxy to snoop albeit not all sites will work correctly
>I'd probably just get my own ISP in that case?
For sure

>>105844070
I already have the domain, last time I tried the https certs were not hard to get, there was some free service providing them.
What's dynds?
What VPS provider would you recommend for my use case?

>>105844081
>I already have the domain, last time I tried the https certs were not hard to get, there was some free service providing them.
Look into cloudflare SSL certs
>What's dynds?
A service that constantly maps a domain to your dynamic IP in case you can't have a static IP
>What VPS provider would you recommend for my use case?
I like contabo, it's cheap

>>105844093
>A service that constantly maps a domain to your dynamic IP in case you can't have a static IP
That's convenient. Who provides this? I imagine the same guys from whom I'll purchase the VPS, no?

>>105844121
>I imagine the same guys from whom I'll purchase the VPS, no?
No, there are quite a few, Cloudflare one of them, NoIP is also known. Just as an advice, don't stick with free tiers, they suck

>>105844128
Thanks for your help. I will investigate more on cloudlflare.

My server randomly stops responding and then starts timing out on every connection, same shit on rebooting. What the fuck is going on man

>>105844157
check cables and check if there is another device with the same IP as your server

>>105844180
I rebooted my router and it went back to bein accessible, I think because I blocked some botnet shit from the ISP router through pihole it gets angry after a few days and starts chimping out

Gigabyte motherboards don't like noctua PWM fans.
That's all.
Learn from my mistakes. Have pleasant dreams /hsg/.

>>105844545
My niggabyte has a fanstop feature, that doesn't work once it wakes up from sleep.
Wake on LAN is also straight broken.
Niggabyte just has trash firmware.

>>105844943
>>105844545
i literally can't get my niggibyte motherboard to stop powering usb ports when turned off, i tried everything already. any peripheral is lit 24/7 as long as the psu gets power.

Is it a bad idea to get an enterprise hard drive for my NAS? How loud are they in comparison?
Just seen a decent price on one is all

>>105818008 (OP)
I want to improve my setup and would love to buy a new router. Is there any specific cheap model that can handle OpenWRT in 2025? I can work with Mikrotik too.

>>105846127
https://www.ebay.com/itm/396806458701

>>105833375
look for used E5v3/v4 workstations instead, much more reliable and cheaper all parts considered.
I have one such system with 256GB of RAM that i'm running Deepseek-R1 at IQ2_R4 on.

>>105846348
Thanks anon. Might save for a MT6000, it seems to be a popular pick now, I haven't checked hardware in a while.

>>105846061
yea go for it

>>105846854
thanks
it was from amazon but they hid in the description they were refurbs the cheeky cunts
i thought usually when amazon do refurbs they sell it on their Warehouse side, this was listed as any other new item

i bought a raspberry pi 2b for $199
it was on sale, what can i do with this? i want to attach a SSD

>>105847440
if you have to ask then nothing

>>105836507
Damn.
What's the point of container if you can't reproduce it?

>>105818008 (OP)
PoE Injectors are so fucking cursed.
An ancient god should strike me down for this.

>>105847871
it isn't easy FOR HIM because he lost compose and docker files

>>105847440
>raspberry pi 2b
> $199
lol
Where do you live, south pole?

>>105847924
Yes, I fucked it up.
How can I unfuck this?

>>105848029
docker pull ghcr.io/red5d/docker-autocompose:latest


docker run --rm -v /var/run/docker.sock:/var/run/docker.sock ghcr.io/red5d/docker-autocompose $(docker ps -aq)


That will print compose structures for all running containers

>>105847871
for poorfags with no cores to use and cope and seethe that its so much better than using dedicated VMs

>>105848166
VMs and containers have different usecases you dumb retarded faggot

>>105848176
if you have no cores, yes

the seething has clearly begun lmao

>>105848203
jesus i don't remember /hsg/ being this retarded

i run my containers in a separate vm

i run my vms on separate computers

>>105845423
>>105844943
It's pretty frustrating how finicky a fucking server-grade part is. I expected better than this. Next build will definitely be asrock rack or something else.

how long will 18tb wd elements external hdd last as a torrent storage?
am I better off buying 2tb on if I want longetivity

I dont care about backups

>>105848166
>its so much better than using dedicated VMs
Are you larping?

Thoughts about Terramaster's f4-424 max?
I've been looking to upgrade from my current old-laptop-with-external-HDD-on-WiFi setup and I came across this thing which has a pretty decent discount.
It fits my needs and wants pretty much perfectly and leaves plenty of room for slapping even more services on it without having to "budget" my CPU/RAM.
The only two criticisms I've heard about it are
>Their in-house OS is unwashed ass
Doesn't bother me, The plan's to throw Debian on it and do everything through Docker.
>No support for ECC
A bit of a shame, but I'm not planning on keeping anything irreplaceable there.
Most of what I'd keep there are pirated media (which would be tiresome to replace, but simple) or stuff that are backed up in other places, so I can give that up.

I could probably build something for cheaper of similar performance if I scavenge second hand deals but almost certainly not at this size, and I've been wanting my home server to be as small as possible.

If anyone has any experience with it I'd love to hear it, the reviews I managed to find are pretty surface-level or thinly-veiled proxmox setup tutorials for some reason.

I'm new to containers and such.
And was thinking of using this concept to run a web browser inside a container for a disposable session.
Is there a difference between using distrobox and installing a browser
Or using a browser image from docker hub
https://hub.docker.com/r/linuxserver/chromium?
I'm not really understanding what's the difference here.

>>105849552
looks perfect, just make sure it allows you to change OS

>>105849552
You can grab one of those chink 4-bay cases that fits an ITX board instead, this way you won't be stuck with whatever cpu/mobo these prebuilts come with.
They're about $45 plus shipping.

>>105844545
What's the issue?
I'm using Noctua fans, granted only as a CPU fan but I've been using GB and Noctua on my desktop for a long time and thought nothing of it.

>>105849641
Apparently some pwm models (like my NF-A12x25s) require a specific voltage to start that some gigabyte motherboards (like my MC13-LE3) just don't properly spit out. This results in the fans dying shortly after post, with the only applicable solution being to unplug and reconnect another, different fan (think 3 pin case fan) from the motherboard. This causes the BCM to freak out and dump voltage into the fan headers, reactivating and rediscovering the specific noctua pwm fans.
The problem is this requires physical access to the machine following every power off/reboot.

>>105849561
Turkish women look like that??

>>105849697
Jokes aside, >>105849561
>And was thinking of using this concept to run a web browser inside a container for a disposable session.
That's literally cubes OS:
https://www.qubes-os.org/

>>105849677
I'm autistic and have always connected my CPU fan to a dedicated molex connector. Saving the 0.2w with dynamic fan speed control from the MB just isn't worth the squeeze to me. I have 4 gentle typhoon 120mm fans running full speed silent in my case (2 intake, 1 exhaust, one CPU) for years on one of the pic related. total power draw with the adapter is around 3.2w. I measured it too. Your problem is the easiest problem to solve in the history of /hsg/ Spend the $8 and move on bro.

>>105848944
The drive should be alright, they're CMR drives accoring to nascompares (autistic seagull hating YouTuber)
https://nascompares.com/answer/list-of-wd-cmr-and-smr-hard-drives-hdd/ -> WDBWLG0180HBK(-EESN)
Can't tell you about all the other shit that's wrapped around the drive though, I wouldn't trust external WDs with my data.

>>105849739
I love you with all my heart and soul anon. Thank you for your candor.

>>105849710
Please keep your shicho OS away from this thread.
Next thing we will be talking about running Hypervisor OS that run QubeOS that run a VM of knoppix that run a container

I know distrobox is just a fancy wrapper for containers.
Would it offer any difference compared to just pulling an image and building something?
I'm thinking of doing something like >>105849561 as well
And instead of installing something on my system, I'd just use alpine and install the things I want without bloating my system.
Anyone tried it?

>>105849575
I know it has an open-wide BIOS, that everyone and their mother install Proxmox on it and that their special-sauce OS is just Ubuntu underneath, so I can't imagine Debian of all things being a problem.
>>105849598
I've been doing some calculations for how much it would cost me to build a server with some shit I have on hand and doing it second-hand where I can, The tl;dr is that I'm not beating that price, ESPECIALLY not if I insist on using my existing CPU which doesn't have integrated grafix and even more if I want to also involve a 10Gbit port on this DIY option.
Plus the CPU it does have (an i5-1235U) seems brilliant, the integrated GPU can at least decode anything I might get my hands on, it's fairly frugal in terms of power use and in terms of performance it's going to be overkill for my usecase for many years to come.

I think I'm having it

>>105850141
Go tell him, I just showed him that what he seeks already exists and can be had for $0

>>105850613
which is?
and please don't mention networkchuck

>>105849758
one thing I noticed after 1 year of use that it starts way too slow for qbittorrent. so most of the files are ERROR till I manually restart them.

>>>/v/714994904
>>>/v/714994904
>>>/v/714994904

new thread

i'm considering a server off facebook marketplace
it's an R730XD with 2xE5-2697v3 128 gigs of ram and some two intel ssds both 1.6tb
they're asking 700usd for it(it's not bad considering the abysmal second hand market here)

should i?
it will start off a storage server
then will also be used to self host shit like jellyfin and maybe occasional game servers
but later i want to put a GPU and do local AI models
what do you think?

>>105850918
Add a delay to the torrent daemon starting?

>>105850642
Cubes OS

>>105843365
use cloudflare as the dns, it can proxy traffic

>>105852269
free btw

>>105852314
if it's free then you are the product

>>105851043
do you have a rack? no? then just build something in a desktop form factor instead

>>105818008 (OP)
Is it possible to jerry rig phones without the plastic and metal covers duct taped to noctua fans to act as servers with flash drive storage?
>On phone chekcs if other phones are at capacity and diverts your request to the next phone
To avoid bottlenecking

>>105852426
i don't care about the form factor
current set up i have is in a normal tower(i7 2600K with 16gb of ram) but its ass and a complete bodge with 3d printed drive caddy's screwed to the top of the case and a fan zip tied to it

>>105852463
not worth the effort, ecosystem too locked to run server shit

>>105852463
Gentoo prefix.
Good luck.

is there something similar to overseerr/jellyseerr for music? I'm looking for a prettier front end for music than lidarr.

>>105851043
>haswell
no

>>105853547
why not?

>>105853551
it's inefficient and easily outclassed in price/performance

i wanted to buy a couple 12 TB HGSTs off ebay like last year, but i wasn't sure if i really wanted to build out a server at the time.
now i want to build out a server and the same drives are basically double the price now. what the fuck?

i guess i'll just get the 10tbs as they're """only""" 110$ now. this shit is wack.

Is there even a point to having RAID when you have an NAS unit with just 2 drive bays?

Just tried installing openmediavault on my old pc, but now I'm greeted by a secure boot violation, "The system found unauthorized changes on the firmsmware, operating system or UEFI drivers"
What gives?

>>105854082
if you have to ask then you don't get the point of raid. if you want the data to be there even if a drive fails then you want raid. if you don't care that it goes down and you lose >that< copy of your data and uptime then you don't need raid.

>>105854082
I'm not as knowledgable as most here but someone posted something smart a thread or two back. Raid is to prevent downtime, not to backup. I don't know if that answers your question but I think it's a good rule of thumb.

Should I use ext4 or btrfs?

>>105838489
yeah but you should use a docker compose file to do it (will still work on podman)

>>105854082
Yea
Raid1

>>105854593
This. I don't run RAIDZ2 to have some kind of data security or because I like burning money on HDDs I just need the uptime.

>>105854557
>on my old pc
Disable uefi
Turn on legacy boot

What 2.5'' SSD drives would you recommend for a home NAS?

I got shafted by newegg several months ago and got a Z890 eagle wifi 7 lga 1851 because of combo faggotry. I was thinking of selling it but I remember intel chips being pretty good for a server. Are the arrow lake cpus good enough for this and if so which one has the lowest power draw, I hate the naming scheme of these chips.

>>105851332
great idea
I guess I can do it this way?
im on windows

What's the best way to run a browser in a container?

>>105818008 (OP)
Broadcom 9500 SAS HBAs.
Worth the extra coin for PCIe 4.0?

>>105818008 (OP)
Does anyone have experience with Seagate Barracuda drives?
I found brand new 24TB drives being done for 289 eurobucks.
That's cheap as hell for yurop.
Would it be stupid to get two of these to use for cold storage?

>>105818008 (OP)
Does anyone have experience with Seagate Barracuda drives?
I found brand new 24TB drives being sold for 289 eurobucks.
That amount of storage is cheap as hell for yurop.
Would it be stupid to get two of these to use for cold storage?

>>105859514
24TB consumer shit sounds like it's gonna be SMR. SMR drives are funky and also tends to die early.

>>105859330
if you have enough SSDs or you're going to be using tri-mode, maybe

>>105858257
whatever's cheapest per TB

>>105859330
Apparently the tri-mode kinda sucks, it's more like a try-mode
But if you're limited to an x4 slot instead of x8 AND running SAS/SATA SSDs it's worth getting the extra bandwidth per lane
If you get NVMe working, definitely yes, the 9400s seem to be even worse than the 9500s

Can I actually reduce idle power consumption on my i5-6600K by undervolting or is that only good for power under load?
I'm sitting at 60W idle with 3 HDDs and 4 SATA SSDs, 3x 120mm fans, the CPU cooler and an HBA. Is that just as low as it's gonna go?

>>105859970
I'm aware of SMR and won't be running them in RAID, just as separate single drive volumes
I just wanted to check if Barracudas are known for higher failure than other SMR drives
I found out pretty quickly about SMR after replacing 2 6TB Red drives that WD scammed me back then and changed from CMR to SMR
I bought 2 Seagate Ironwolfs to replace them because fuck WD for that shit
I ended up repurposing those Red SMR drives as singles for cold storage and they've been fine as long as you don't run them as RAID
Useless for NAS but okay as single drives
I still haven't forgiven WD though

>>105859970
the Seagate BarraCuda 24TB is apparently a CMR drive. it still only comes with 2 years of warranty though.
>>105861213
just get a Toshiba MG10 instead. the 20TB Toshiba drive costs less than the 24TB BarraCuda shit in germany.

>>10586133
Neat to know! Thanks anon!
I'm in waffle land but the cheapest 20TB MG10's I find from the sites I know here and in the Netherlands are 320 eurobux
Alternate, Reichelt and Amazon Germany seem to have a similar price
Any links you can share?

>>105860967
Only way lower is to spindown hdds and ditch the hba. Use powertop too.
Otherwise swap the cpu with a Xeon that should shave some idle watts.

Why no one told me about this?
https://hub.docker.com/r/dockurr/casa

I want to run OMV in a VM on my Proxmox host. What's the smartest way to let the VM access my dedicated NAS HDDs? Do I create and manage the ZFS mirror on the host and pass a virtual drive? do i create the SMB share on the host? should i just pass the raw disks to the VM and manage the ZFS pool there?

>>105861587
cause containers in containers in containers is bad.
having hypervisor like proxmox or esxi running a vm that runs linux that runs docker is already pushing it.

>>105862042
>cause containers in containers in containers is bad.
No it's not.

>>105862005
NFS or viofs mount in the guest

>want to turn an old PC into a home server
>install Ubuntu Server, can't run anything, can't even get it to detect the drives
>Install GNOME to see if it helps
>Still can't detect drives, can't xrdp, can't use Teamviewer or Anydesk, can't run Plex Server
>spend all day running commands and installing shit to get it to work, no dice
>give up and install Windows Server
>Can rdp normally, run Plex Server, detects drives instantly
>Right click on a folder and it gets shared to current PC
>Just werks
I really tried anons, I'm weak... Is this what it's like being an applenigger?

>>105862173
do I NFS mount the drive in OMV and then set up an SMB share there or should i just set up the SMB share on proxmox and manage it with OMV?

>>105862205
you should've installed a noob friendly home server/NAS OS like TrueNAS or Unraid that let's you do everything in a Web-GUI.

>>105862042

modern virtualization extensions on processors has removed almost all the overhead of a virtual machine.

>>105862042
Isn't docker specifically /not/ virtualization?
It's a Host running a VM, the containers aren't virtual machines

Trying to setup omv, so far I only did the very basics (installed the os, added omv-extra, installed mergerfs and made a pool of my hdds)
I'm now trying to setup smb access to that drive, but for some reason it keeps on failing. I created a test network share with read/write set to everyone, enabled smb, created the samba share but whenever I try to access it from Windows, it fails saying Impossible to access nas-name
Any idea what's going on?

>>105863917
probably windows has higher security requirements than what you intend and set up samba to use

>>105863960
I don't think so?
https://wiki.omv-extras.org/doku.php?id=omv7:new_user_guide
I've been following this if it helps

>>105863857
Docker is not even a vm. It is essentially a chroot into a virtual volume so that all the binaries and dependencies are sourced from the image rather than your OS. There is practically no overhead at runtime

Damn, I'll really about to lose my uptime because the power went out for real

>>105864291
If your neighborhood loses power don't the junction boxes for your internet stop working too?

>>105864414
mine dont

>>105864414
Depends on the network, GPON should stay up.
I personally haven't had any issue setting up a battery backup on the ONT and the internet still work even when the entire county goes tits up from a hurricane.

Power just came back on, fucking better be quick for how much they are charging nowadays.

>installing Immich with the proxmox script
>"$ do you want to install OpenVINO for Intel HW-accelerated ML?"
>"sure, why not"
>"$ Installing Node.js"
mfw

>>105863199
I read up on TrueNAS, but doesn't that require its own file system, which would require me to format my current 8TB HDDs full of data?

>>105864702
i mean, if you have your drives formatted as NTFS, you have bigger problems than having to reformat your HDDs.
but yes, you will need to reformat your HDDs to any linux file system (they are literally all superior in every fucking way)
but linux has ZFS and ZFS is black magic that prevents your files from rotting over time. ZFS alone is a reason to never use a windows server.

>>105864745
It sounds great if I was starting from scratch or had a bunch of spares lying around, which is sadly not the case (not being facetious or sarcastic). I'll keep it in mind when I do some dumpster diving and actually manage to grab some extra disks for that though

>>105864623
and npm causes the installation to fail...
the day javascript escaped the browser, the future of the human race was forsaken.

>>105864623
>Immich with the proxmox script
which script?

>>105865021
>which script?
https://community-scripts.github.io/ProxmoxVE/scripts?id=immich
since the retarded devs only provide installation instructions for docker.

>>105853674
>SATA
go SAS, you silly goose
>build out
cringe fuckin yank

>>105865043
>since the retarded devs only provide installation instructions for docker.
i remember spending an hour undockerizing it and it actually worked but desu i wasn't that impressed with it, it's your typical Zenphoto-ish CRUD gallery. havent tried ML stuff yet tho

Hoping I'm wrong, but I've been looking into what server/embedded platform has the highest number of CPU/HSIO-lanes per watt and is the answer really still the Intel Atom C3000 range from 2017?

This is mainly due to my living in an area with expensive electricity prices, but it feels insane to me that you can't build at least a relatively power-efficient NAS with ECC and out of band management using parts from this decade because of AMD & Intel's market-segmentation bullshit (also because ARM fucking sucks).

>>105859514
I have 4x4TB Barracudas SMR in btrfs JBOD, been running for a long time now, absolutely no issues

Still more questions from someone who doesn't really know what he's doing
Managed to finally setup docker on omv along with jellyfin, however I have no idea how to setup hardware acceleration for it. Do I need to install the gpu drivers? If yes, how do I do that? All I know is that the guide I'm following uses an Intel integrated gpu with
devices:
- /dev/dri:/dev/dri
But I have no idea how to change this to my use case

>>105862205
that is what it's like being retarded

>>105865576
what exactly do you want to do first
you just don't "set up hardware acceleration for OMV running Docker"

>>105865600
I'm just migrating my home server from my raspi to an actual pc
Right now I'm having issues with heavier medias, and I was hoping that having hardware acceleration could solve this. My cpu doesn't have an integrated gpu, so I figured might as well use my old 1070 for that

>>105865576
you need the driver on the host, yes. you should check to see what it is, /dev/dri /dev/dri2 etc

>>105865626
https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/post-install/transcoding/hardware-acceleration/nvidia/

>>105865630
Do I need to install it on jellyfin's container? Or can I just do it on omv through ssh? It's my first time actually using docker and I'm still figuring things out

>>105865652
see the docker section in the link >>105865639

>>105865661
>>105865639
Thanks anon!

>>105865639
>>105865661
I'm not too sure the drivers installation worked, for whatever reason running nvidia-smi returns command not found

new thread
>>105865404