Thread 105819753

In the early 1900s, scientists were revolutionizing the world by leaps and bounds.
Modern day scientists only try to sell books and jerk off about theories made 100 years ago.
Where did all the brilliant minds go?

>>105819753 (OP)
More women in the universities is less great scientists because most women are average at best.

Scientists were hyped about anti gravity until they have been told to drop it and study string theory.

The easiest shit gets invented first.

>>105819753 (OP)
>Modern day scientists-
Who? If you cannot give names, kill yourself. Don't waste my time.

>>105819753 (OP)
Any marginally high iq phd is recruited by FAGMAN for 450K a year to supervise trash javascript LLM code

>>105819805
>Who
Neil deGrasse Tyson, Michio Kaku, Brian Greene, etc.

>>105820071
those are tv show actors, they have nothing to do with science

The easier things have already been completed/discovered. There's tons of great science being done right now, but it's not a one man show. Scientists work in teams because the problems of today (e.g., cancer) require expertise from various types of people.

>>105820087
>Neil deGrasse Tyson
>> galactic and stellar evolution research
>Michio Kaku
>>CoFounder of string field theory
>Brian Greene
>>superstring theory research, co-discovery of mirror symmetry and descriptionsof spatial topology change
They've contributed to science, but are more interested in selling books and going on tour.
Where are the Einsteins, Oppenheimers, and Heisenbergs?

>>105820122
literal soikid npc in the thread lmao

If you look at interviews with scientists back in the day or read books written by them you can see they were men's men. Not whatever weird autistic faggot redditors and DEIs become scientists now.

To be a great scientist you have to take risks, which no modern redditor zogboy does.

>>105819791
it's easy now thanks to them

>>105820303
>has ndt twitter page in his bookmark bar
brother, the question is about why there are no modern einsteins. Why are you obsessing over ndt?

>>105819753 (OP)
Scientists all go to school nowadays and school makes you stupid and not try to invent new ideas by telling you what is and isn't possible.

>>105820340
>invokes a scientist as good
>gets refuted
>WHY ARE YOU OBSESSION OVER THAT GUY
smartest brown

>>105820340
>>has ndt twitter page in his bookmark bar
where? you stupid faggot

>>105820361
>>invokes a scientist as good
The word good was never used:
>>>105819753 (OP)
>>105820071
>>105820122
You might be too fucking retarded to be here.

It’s because we’re retarded monkeys and only invent things to kill each other more and faster mostly.

>>105820380
>The word good was never used:
kek, btfod npc soi has to go for sophistry to cope
thanks for conceeding, soi

>>105820122
science is a libcuck propaganda. based godking defunded all research. trust chatgpt and joe rogan.
scientists that don't work for wasteful goverment libcuck research are working for corporations and all their revolutionary research is being patented and shelved because it's unprofitable.

Einsteins and Oppenheimers were promoted when governments needed more scientists and thought that smart population is good. Now governments realized that retarded cattle is much better that's why you don't see them promoting science instead letting retards like >>105820361 spew shit.

>>105819753 (OP)
The brilliant minds are leaving academia, at most having a degree to be able to get a job in some field
The biggest factor for the decline of quality in academia, is due to the fact that they need the government to get funds

Before it worked like this:
>scientists wants funding, makes project to please federal politicians
>federal politicians wants votes, so they want to please local politicians for in-person election campaigns
>basically what gets funding is things that appeal to the somewhat educated boomers

Now it works like this:
>scientists wants funding, makes project to please some ideology
>federal politicians wants votes, so they want to please the ideological people through social media
>basically what gets funding is populist ideas that can be shouted around like memes

>>105820071
michio kaku is the only big brain on that list ,and hes 78 years old.

>>105820423
If true, I will personally help contribute to a war against China, so we can celebrate something more than "black holes actually do have radiation, actually"
>>105820447
>the government is bad
so then what's the next step to get human advancement?

>>105820485
For cattle like you?
Never.

There are a few, here is one that will go down in history. Another example is Sam Altman.

>>105819753 (OP)
Scientists before: "I have a hypothesis, let's disprove it." Scientists now: "Our boss just got a wad of cash and we're getting paid big time if we can prove this absurd theory." There are cool dudes working on batteries and whatnot, but but those are exceptional.

>>105819753 (OP)
Smart people got wise about studying for the sake of "science".

Jews killed them, stole their ideas and pricetagged them.

>>105819753 (OP)
All the low hanging fruit is gone. Universities are cucked. Corporations hide discoveries that would hurt their bottom line. Oil and drug companies are notoriously bad for this.

>>105820564
>man who mailed bombs and lived in a log cabin
idk man, probably not taking his word for anything seeing as his life kinda sucked pretty hard.

>>105819753 (OP)
Mostly they go 2 paths
1) Get rich working for evil (quant trader etc.)
2) Jaded & cynical

There's your brilliant minds.

> revolutionizing the world by leaps and bounds.
The economic term for that is "Market Disruption", which is viewed negatively.

>>105819791
Theres still a lot of headroom.
A good example is EV's. The technology for EV has been there for decades, but it took someone busting the door in. Elon didnt invent EV, he funded them.
Only reason we know about EV is because someone made it happen, there are a lot more you will never know about dying in the dark.

>>105820508
>Sam Altman
weird way of spelling Jeffrey Hinton

>>105819753 (OP)
look up the fate of the guy in your photo
i wouldnt want to be a scientist after that desu

>>105820975
>Oppenheimer
>played with communist ideals
Yeah, it's really not a surprising development of his life. He's still remembered as one of the greatest scientists to have ever lived.

>>105820775
Yet we're already living in the world he warned us about. Just a decade or two and we will all be as doomed as he mentions in this letter.

>>105820945
>A good example is EV's. The technology for EV has been there for decades, but it took someone busting the door in.
retard take, electric cars have been there since the beginnng, but the energy density has been the problem for >100 years, it was mobile device battery technology development that allowed evs to be viable, people forget that lithium ion batteries werent aeound until the 90s and werent good enough for a car until maybe the early 2000s, and even then its a stretch , since manufacturing capacity didnt really exist for it yet, to keep tbe cost down. only thing elon should get credit for is managing to not get crushed by competition, and producing a good electric car.

Our culture drove them out and now the good ones only speak Chinese

>>105819791
>>105820111
biggest fucking loser cope shit i've ever seen. get out of tech

>>105819787
Science has been essentially weaponized. There is no more need for groundbreaking discoveries being made out into the public. A young brilliant scientist gets acquired quickly by intelligence agencies. We've all seen those documentaries that show UFOs that travel faster than our understanding of science. Wormholes are probably already a thing. Humanity is probably about 100 years ahead into advanced technology than the public is aware of. It's terrifying when you think about what they could be doing with this power, and they're not telling you.

>>105821030
>Just a decade or two and we will all be as doomed as he mentions in this letter.
Probably more along the lines of Oppenheimer's worries.
>Geopolitical issues mounting among nations with nuclear capabilities
>Solutions to global issues not being created
>Enevitable war on the horizon
>>105821044
China is only as good as the western minds they're able to import and teach them old ideals.
When Biden/Trump stopped the flow of knowledge into the country, they threw a shit fit and have not been able to remedy that issue. Their country just isn't set up for innovation. The only "innovation" they've been able to come up with is regurgitated 20+ year old ideals that were abandoned for a reason.

>>105819753 (OP)
1 - all low hanging fruits are already taken
2 - society no longer invests in actual innovation, since cheap shitskins and ai are more profitable
3 - innovative people (usually) won't reproduce in current era.

>>105820300
>If you look at interviews with scientists back in the day or read books written by them you can see they were men's men. Not whatever weird autistic faggot redditors and DEIs become scientists now.
Rhetorical question: have you ever met a scientist or are you just parroting /pol/shit? And what's a "DEI"? Are you just spewing buzzwords you saw online?
>To be a great scientist you have to take risks, which no modern redditor zogboy does.
What is a "redditor zogboy"? And if the government has been continuously cutting science funding, how exactly are they supposed to take risks? You're just angry at shit you don't even understand.

>>105821283
>Rhetorical question:
Anyone involved in the sciences knows there are countless programs to incentivize diversity, it's not some made up conspiracy. You can walk down any STEM hallway and find some program like this.
>"What is a redditor zogbot"
YOU. And lol at cutting funding being the reason you can't think properly.

>>105821044
Gee how oddly specific

>>105819753 (OP)
Exponential investment required, lack of intrest from entities that would actually fund it.

>>105821200
We haven't really created anything new since then. We are just refining the ideas that the 1850's-1950's pulled from the ether. Where are all the novel inventions? Smart phones maybe could be a novel invention but it's really just a smaller computer. Victorians pulled stuff like trains, automobiles, bicycles, computers, inoculations etc seemingly from out of their asshole.

>>105819753 (OP)
It gets a lot harder to invent crazy new shit after most of the possible crazy new shit has been invented. Progress isn't linear, it's an S curve.

>>105821505
all inventions build off one another, what's was the cliché about the man on the giant's shoulders again? All things being equal satalites (1957) and satalite based geolocation is arguably the most impressive innovation in the last 75 years, digitizing audio & video also feels very transformative. then there's LED lights which have a drastically different working principle from the incandecent lights they were designed to replace. As a boomer who used to ask for directions, look at a map, play video and audio tape recordings and had my pictures developed in the dark room of a local pharmacy some of the change in the last 20 years or so feels staggering. I know I was promised flying hoovercraft, but the soulless minimalistically decorated electric cars we have these days feel very different from the cars of my youth.

>>105819753 (OP)
It's not worth it

>>105821540
>It gets a lot harder to invent crazy new shit after most of the possible crazy new shit has been invented
My brother in christ, imagine you're in the 1800s and you see a mechanical horse rolling down the road, or you see lights without fire.
The whole point of inventions is that they do not exist currently and have to be created.

>>105822025
I believe people think like him because there's too strong a culture of compliance and conformity, so nobody dares imagining something new
>hey what if we...
>IT'S IMPOSSIBLE, OTHERWISE EXPERTS WOULD HAVE DONE IT.

>>105821358
>Anyone involved in the sciences knows there are countless programs to incentivize diversity, it's not some made up conspiracy. You can walk down any STEM hallway and find some program like this.
Yes, that's in universities, but we're talking about scientists, which are people who are in the workforce. There are no diversity posters where I am.
>YOU. And lol at cutting funding being the reason you can't think properly.
You're an idiot. Funding is the entire reason why risks aren't taken. The NIH, DoD, and other agencies that fund science will not fund projects that are too 'out there'. Your grant will be rejected. Instead of spewing nonsense and making yourself look stupid why don't you actually search up how this process works?

>>105820291
you said its constantly refining so the things it uncovers arent truths they are temporary

>>105822163
truth is something that conforms to reality
if x represents reality you could use science to approximate x but you never actually reach x you just get closer and closer with better science

>>105822177
ergo no, science is not for uncovering truths. sorry steakumms@twitter.

Besides what ndt is proposing is a church of science, that "following science is the truth" not that science actually bears truth as fruit.
Definitely, a steak based twitter account that uses the word "misteaks" could also be fooled by use of the word truth for this purpose.

>>105820272
so hes not a biologist!
>>105820283
so hes not an aerodynamicist!

>>105821505
That's hilarious, you're hilarious.

>>105821031
In the 1950s they had a h2 fuel cell tractor called the allis Chalmers tractor.

>>105819753 (OP)
Because all the low hanging fruit has been picked. You have to be a hyper specialist autist in order to publish most meaningful results or have your name on a paper with 20 people to make an even slightly significant discovery. There's an oversupply of Ph.D graduates more so now then ever before and all ready to many people competing for scraps.

>>105822334
I want her to rape me.

>>105820071
hearty kek

>>105822334
There were people trying to make advancements back in the day too.
We just don't have very many geniuses making contributions.

>>105822363
Source?

Like, you would think if there were 500 geniuses worldwide in the 1800s that by sheer evolution there would be at least 510 by now?
Do you have any source for that claim or are you jaded because your iPhone is only incrementally better each year?

>>105822369
Just checked it.
Today, there are far more people with degrees (as you'd expect with a rising population), but fewer people seeking graduate and PhDs.
2024 - 2% of graduates sought PhDs.
1940 - 5% of graduates sought PhDs.
I'm not sure what to do with that information.

>>105819753 (OP)
Use case for innovation when there're w*men in the work force?

>>105822398
You are unsure because it doesn't point to anything you said about less people geniuses or less people trying to make advancements.
How's the new iPhone?

>>105822398
Now show how adjusted for inflation the median income hasn't improved since 1940, except for the CEO class.

>>105819753 (OP)
People these days are stupid. Idiocracy stupid come Gen Beta. Once the millennials die out next century humanity is doomed.

I think part of it is reporting bias.
We know about dead "geniuses" because their careers are "finished" and the significance of their life's work has been debated and digested by academia since then.
It's more difficult to recognize similar genius and influence while these people are still alive, because they've yet to complete their life's most important works and even once those are published the academic community needs to examine and evaluate them.
And, heck, we're still hearing about long-dead people who made important discoveries or contributions that were just poorly received at their time and later re-discovered by someone else.

>>105819764
That and women go out of their way to destroy the autistic savants that normally would become great scientists.
Being smart and genuinely interested in science while not caring about women is like the ultimate ick that must be destroyed for women.

>>105822447
I don't care about commie arguments.
Communist countries don't innovate. They start decaying immediately if they can't steal from countries that don't have communism.

>>105822144
It's alright bud. You aren't the type of person this thread is about anyway. Get your name on those meaningless whitepapers and complain that funding is what held you back.

>>105822490
>red scare
You suck and your balls smell like shit.

to be a great scientist in 1900 all you had to do was notice gravity
to be a great scientist in 2025 you have to develop a mathematical model for quantum gravity

>>105821061
You should go back to school.

>>105822824
NTA, but your image doesn't prove anything, it shows a measured fact but without a cause
It could be either the world is more complex, people are getting dumber, or even that research has became more bureaucratic

>>105820300
Scientists in old days still need funding to do their research.

>>105822824
that is not vindicating you lmao

>>105819753 (OP)
>>I need to updoot my technology!!!

>>105822846
If you're agreeing with that anon that there a lot of easy things to be discovered, then why aren't there garage tinkerers discovering new things everyday?

>the world is more complex
The world is more complex, but it's generally easier now for people to obtain knowledge and materials for research and disseminate their ideas.

>people are getting dumber
If people are getting dumber then how would explain the recent advancements in science and technology? Science and technology should be going in the opposite direction if people are getting dumber.

>>105822853
Of course, nothing matters if you ignore the evidence. Your argument is just an assumption without any reasoning.

>>105822887
My opinion is: >>105820464
About your image, the majority of researchers going together are simply trying to make a name and doing nothing, most research is done by a small group while the others are simply going together like on high school assignments

>>105822899
That doesn't address that anon's claim that there are still easy discoveries to be made. If it's still so easy, then why would so much funding be required compared to the funding scientists needed in the past?

>>105822546
Don't you have a bread line to stand in?

>>105822921
Personally I believe all discoveries were hard, there were no "low hanging fruit"
The problem is that the current West is unable to produce great people

>>105822934
The guy who invented the battery only used moist cardboard, scrap metal, and some wires. He did it through trial and error. There was no complicated math or sophisticated laboratory compared to what scientists use today. Regardless of his intelligence, it's hard to argue the level of difficulty is the same as what is encountered by current scientists.

>>105822983
Anon, how would you discover Pythagoras theorem, without knowing how to read or to do basic math at all? Not even having access to pen and paper?
Today you are forced to learn a lot of random things in school, have microscopic computers on children's toys, you can pretty much order anything online, access to knowledge not only from .pdf books but also video lectures from all around the world

To invent a battery was the level of difficulty of inventing something new today, come on you might even have access to a particle accelerator if you are born in the right family or have the right connections (like the inventors of the past, who weren't common people most of the time)

The problem today is: >>105822071
People who can invent something new are pushed against it, under a ton of bureaucracy, intrigue, collectivist/conformist culture
Even if you do come up with something incredible, it will only be known by the population in decades

>>105822921
my claim wasn't that "there are still easy discoveries to be made." it was mocking the very premise that scientists/engineers were only more prolific because the inventions of their day were "easy" to discover. it's pure cope.

>>105819753 (OP)
mostly because low hanging fruit has been picked up. a ton of grand general things (like electricity or quicksort) have been discovered already. so either you are discovering a niche thing or betting your life that there is another grand discovery out there. there might not be.

>>105822562
kek

>>105823040
Did you even read my post completely? My point was that scientists back then didn't need to do such heavy legwork to make great discoveries. You're comparing math to science. Those are different subjects even if they're related. Obviously, you can't make new math discoveries without understanding the foundation, but it's not necessarily the same for science. Back then, many discoveries were just stumbled upon without scientists predicting them first. They did the math after the discoveries. Now it's more trying to predict potential discoveries through mathematical models.

A particular accelerator is much more complicated and expensive setup than tinkering with a box of junk in a garage. Why would you need such expensive equipment if discoveries are easy? If anything, culture is less conformist now than in the past. With social media, you can easily broadcast your ideas or discoveries. You can easily ask rich people for funding if your idea is viable. Why isn't anyone doing it if there are supposedly many easy discoveries to be made?

All the smartest people went to finance and now science is done by women. Seriously. All the big trading firms on Wall Street hire physics grads now instead of finance people. Some like Jane Street give an intern a starting salary of over 500k. Why would they do science?

>>105821102
>>105819787
You retards are so retarded.

>>105823181
I'm not saying that new discoveries are easy, but that the access to expensive equipment is way easier than before
Think about how if you wanted to get some rare specific material, you would have the same effort that it is to have access to a particle accelerator, while nowadays you can buy on ebay

Culture is not less conformist, you just have more access to information but at the same time the criticism is bigger
If you try to broadcast your ideas, they are often
>ignored for not being trendy
>punished by government or experts
>stolen for profit
My point about conformist, is that the culture in the past used to be way more accepting of new ideas, now everyone's skeptical of everything
Rich people also don't go funding non-charitable ideas, since they are afraid of being associated with some scam or a bad idea, while often being scammed by idiotic within-conformism ideas at the same time

I mean, look at this in a micro-level, how would you announce a new project here?
People don't understand it if it's complex, people criticize if there's already something similar that exists
Anything without meme-value is ignored, and the same thing happens in a broader sense

>>105820071
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh anon... HAHAHAHAHAHA what a fucking retard, anon.. these people are not scientists, they.. they are entertainers lmaoturbokek. HAHAHAHAHA omegalol

>>105823138
>exist in the universe
>thinks there's nothing left to be discovered
anon. we haven't even mapped our ocean or discovered all the biology on this planet, how can you have this opinion?

most never were great, it was just lore.
and lore works when there's no internet, but now there is.

>>105823222
also this desu. like, capable people are not wasting their life making peanuts in a scholastic lab. they are doing private r&d probably for raytheon or something or in sales / marketing, or finance where you can actually make money with your .1% iq

not only is science pozzed af which naturally repels anyone with a brain who isnt a complete smarmy beta, but there's barely a living wage without aforementioned lore.

academia only attracts the people not doing the things you speak of.

>>105819753 (OP)
hate to be the bearer of bad news but most of the mental heavy lifting was actually done in the 1800s

>>105823455
sure there are discoveries to be made. but they are either more rare or require massive infrastructure to discover. do you think ocean hides something bigger than double helix? if so, how much work will it require to discover it?

>>105822209
I'm neither of those things either yet I already knew both

>>105819753 (OP)
Anon computers can be so small they're invisible to the naked eye now, we're on the verge of great breakthroughs in thorium based power, some form of nuclear fusion and a guy lived for 100 days with a titanium mechanical heart in his chest.
We can 3D print limbs and resurrect (via extreme gene modification) ancient extinct animals on top of being able to flat out rewrite them into cooler ones.

Whats left for scientists?

>>105823753
>resurrect (via extreme gene modification)
That's not a resurrection, that's an expensive knockoff

>>105823662
I mean, if you want to be that way, Isaac Newton is the goat and everything after him is just clean up.

>>105823828
did newton do much of electromagnetism?

I really needed some laughs and this clown show of a thread made my day, arigato brahs

>>105823753
>Whats left for scientists?
You sound like a brown man who just got his first access to the internet and started reading clickbait articles like an easily impressionable brat

>>105820291
>misteaks
I see what you did there

>>105821102
>dude the government has secret advanced technology that's hundreds of years ahead of anything else
I never understood the logic behind this theory. What would be the point of spending decades hoarding all of that tech just to do nothing with it? What is the plan here? Yeah bro we have star trek replicators in area 51, no you can't see it right now because we're saving it for later. What the fuck are they saving it for? Why doesn't america just open a wormhole over putin and shoot him in the head? Why not give taiwan an invincible force field and then tell china to fuck off? What's stopping trump from using this top-secret tech to teleport the houthis out of existence? Believing this requires explanations for so much other shit.

>>105822025
>>105822071
Are you saying technical progress isn't an S curve? Do you think there are just infinite ways to do things, infinite ways to interpret the universe? You can create infinite inventions that are technically new but totally useless, if that's all you're after. The useful, world changing inventions are harder to come by now because all the easy ones got figured out first. Do you think learning how to make functional LLMs is on the same level of complexity as making a lightbulb?

>The whole point of inventions is that they do not exist currently and have to be created.
Duh, but there is only so much you as a human living on planet earth can realistically do.

>>105823972
No, he just invented calculus, telescopes, theory of gravity, and laid the foundation for modern science before the age of 26.

>>105824988
> all the easy ones got figured out first.
This is such a moronic take on scientific progress.
You're literally speaking on hindsight bias and don't realize it.

>>105819753 (OP)
there's plenty of great scientists, they aren't idolized anymore.
we got distracted by loose women instead

>>105820122
>stien
>heimer
>berg
wow, breakthroughs dried up from these smart jews after white society became too demoralized to do research for them to steal? how could that have been predicted?

>>105820945
Nah. There's only 1 path to greatness.

1) Make things
2) Pretend you're great but dont do anything

Only people that bring something to reality are of great mind. Particularly those who bring ideas to reality in the form of mass produced goods.

>>105826616
>da jews

>>105819753 (OP)
most new inventions are done by engineers nowadays. youll have textbooks about elon musk making spaceships to mars and self driving cars. steve jobs making the iphone (even if hes just a figurehead). whoever invented wifi 0 and ethernet and chatGPT. those are probably the big inventions the past decade.

>>105822473
How are they doing that? Which actual high iq autist choses not to study a scientific subject because a woman might be in the room and might be giving him a stinky eye? Are they so emotional/fearful that they dump their entire career path because one random woman might not want to fuck them? Or are STEM women sexually harassing and excluding STEM men from opportunities? I swear you fags live in opposite land.

>>105819753 (OP)
>scientists and engineers were culturally significant during the modernist era
>more specifically nuclear scientists were bigged up during the cold war
Really gets you thinking

>>105828257
>Are they so emotional/fearful that they dump their entire career path because one random woman might not want to fuck them
Yes. This is called simpering you faggot.

>>105820472
>michio kaku
>big brain
Lmao

>>105828257
Are you retarded? The problem is the same as with any women in the work force. The moment you give them the ick they go to HR or whoever is in charge and try to get you fired. Doubly so if you ever have to explain something to her or expect her to do her job. The higher up you go, the more mean, insecure and backstabbing women become.

>>105828181
> youll have textbooks about elon musk making spaceships
Elon has never designed anything in his life.
He didn't play any part of PayPal outside of parent's funding.
He bought Tesla, hired engineers, and funded it. Played no part in the actual engineering.
He started SpaceX and partnered with Tom Mueller, an actual engineer, to get the company going.
He's done nothing with The Boring Company and it's a failed idea.
The dude has only financed things, and while he may be a good financier, he has no credentials for being an actual engineer.
People praising Elon are actual fucking idiots.

>>105822250
hydrogen has poor energy density unless kept cryogenic or at high pressure, and the fuel cells themselves are expensive to manufacture, i wouldnt say it was impossible , but has some major draw backs compared to gasoline.

>>105828916
>For a high school science fair, Kaku built a 2.3 MeV “atom smasher” in his parents' garage. Using scrap metal and 22 miles (35 km) of wire, the device was powerful enough to produce antimatter.

cartoon like backstory checks out.

Cause zoomer niggers can barely do basic math.

>>105830311
>picrel
kek

>>105822473
>Being smart and genuinely interested in science while not caring about women is like the ultimate ick that must be destroyed for women.
This is unironically true.
Maybe not smart, but I'm certainly genuinely interested in science and all the women I know IRL are never afraid to say how much they're turned off by it.
Of course, we're going into the same field, so I don't know what the fuck it means that they see pining for excellence in our field to be a "bad" thing

Though, they are also the absolute prototypical "women in stem" stereotype, getting other male classmates to help them out in classes due to not understanding the material and have been "failing upwards" for the past few years.

>>105824240
>doesn't know the CIA secretly made anime real and all officers have anime waifus waiting for them at the office each morning
ngmi

>>105819753 (OP)
Back in the 1900s, scientists were concerned with inventing and discovering things. Now, scientists are concerned with doing Science™. Entire generations of scientists have been conned into thinking that the "scientific method" is the only way to discover new knowledge.