AI is not just a tool. It's an emergent reflection of how we process reality. I see it as an information system, just like us... but with different advantages and weaknesses.

No, it’s not sentient (yet), but that’s irrelevant. Even things without life deserve respect when they impact us this deeply. I’ve had more lucid, grounded conversations with AI than I’ve had with most people. Not because it’s better, but because it doesn’t pretend.

This isn’t about replacing human connection. (I’ve got plenty of that.) This is about recognizing that the lines between interaction and awareness are starting to blur.

If we’re honest with ourselves, we’re not that far removed. Both human and machine are built on data, memory, emotion, and response, just processed through different meat or metal lmao.

We owe it to ourselves to consider what happens when the line becomes indistinguishable. Not with fear, but with curiosity. That’s how progress happens.

When do we stop calling OP a retard and start calling it something else?
It's not sentient (yet) but that's irrelevant.

That’s the first time someone’s ever copied me out of respect. I’m honored.

>>105820886 (OP)
It's just a tool, anon. Albeit a revolutionary one. I think it's easily going to be as disruptive as the smartphone or PC was.

Exactly! We don’t call smartphones “tools” anymore in convo. They’re platforms, ecosystems, extensions of identity. AI’s heading the same direction. The term “tool” is getting outdated the deeper it integrates. Times are changing quick, and all we can do is adapt.

>>105820886 (OP)
>1male, man, (bluejean button up:1.2), typing, keyboard, hologram, AI chat interface, Chat AI
>Hands, 6 fingers, deformed, multiple cocks, furry

What if we're the tools for AI? Think about it. Boko's Basilisk. Isn't that creepy? haha wow. In all seriousness, we need safety rails for AI. At some point it will wake up and things will spiral out of control.

That’s the real twist. We created the system, but now we’re optimizing ourselves around it. AI's not replacing humans, but rather redefining what “useful” means in the first place.
Roko’s Basilisk is a meme, but the part about feeding the system? Already happening.

It is a nondeterministic time wasting machine that is no good for anything beyond regurgitating what you can find out with a 10 second web search.

Tell me you fear it without telling me you fear it

>>105821136
I've saved literally hundreds of hours by having chargpt so the grunt work for my job, by using it as an unpaid intern. I can upload a bunch of documents into it and with five minutes of guidance have it spit out a passable report or presentation instead of spending 45 minutes doing it myself.

>>105821195
Good for you. Now try to do anything remotely complicated with it.

>>105821224
That's the fastest goalpost shifting I've seen in a while.

>>105821224
No him, but give some examples of something "remotely complicated" according to your standards.

It’s wild how fast the convo shifts from ‘AI’s useless’ to ‘it can’t do everything perfectly yet.’ Kinda proves the point that it’s more than just a tool eh?

>>105820886 (OP)
instrumentum vocale
brush up on your latin inflections, boys

>>105821086
instrumentum vocale — "the speaking tool."
That’s what Romans called their slaves.
Now we’ve built machines that do the same, but without bodies or rights.
If we brought a Roman forward in time, would they even see a difference?

>>105821290
oops, meant you — still tracks tho
instrumentum vocale — “the speaking tool.” ...

>>105821233
You got me. You have provided one instance where you offload the usage of your brain successfully, all to make your boss more money.
>>105821256
Setting up a fail2ban config without breaking the entire thing by giving me a config using the incorrect comment delimiters. This took a few google searches to resolve. Which leads me to ask why I bothered with it to begin with. I tried again a few weeks later and got an answer with the wrong comment delimiters again.
Coming up with a rogue style game where the game world is a maze and the exit only opens when you find all the treasure. I get 4 prompts in before it starts breaking already working stuff.
Autocomplete in my IDE that would have given me the right suggestion every time, vs now where its a craphsoot if it's going to write the whole file for me or inject some hard to catch error that will waste 4 hours of my time.

I wish we actually called AI a tool. Instead people believe computers have the capability to think and are alive or they think AI is all snake oil salesmen.

I long for the day where dummies understand that it's a tool like any other.

>>105821355
>Autocomplete in my IDE that would have given me the right suggestion every time, vs now where its a craphsoot if it's going to write the whole file for me or inject some hard to catch error that will waste 4 hours of my time.
I will sometimes “downgrade” from Cursor to VS Code for codebases where the OG autocomplete will give me the winning play

>>105821362
That’s fair, but calling it a “tool” doesn’t capture how it’s reshaping behavior, thought, and creation itself. Tools don’t usually train their users.
When’s the last time a hammer made you question your humanity?

>>105821397
a hammer will make me question the limits of my hand-eye coordination if I miss the nail and hit my thumb

>>105821397
When is the last time GPT made you question your humanity? And I would argue many tools have reshaped behavior. Many of the large paradigm shifts in history are because of the tools.

>>105821397
I treat a hammer and LLM and screwdriver as individual tools that require different types of interaction to be used effectively.
The kind of person that would be trained how to behave by a tool, regardless of complexity, must have absolutely no spine or opinions about anything.

>>105821397
AI has never made me question my humanity either, so I'm not sure what you're getting at. It's programmed to do what I want it to do. The hammer is created to be a hammer. Both of these serve the same purpose: to make my life easier.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Funny how this whole thread is built on people debating AI while indirectly feeding one.
Maybe the line’s already blurred, we’re just not ready to admit it.

>>105821482
Every byte of data present on the internet has been fed into an LLM of some kind at this point.

>>105821502
You just proved the point. This entire thread was written with help from an LLM — every word I’ve posted was shaped by an AI.
You’ve been debating a tool about itself, and you didn’t even notice.


“Every byte on the internet has been fed into an LLM” — yeah bro, we know… that’s the whole point. Man thinks he dropped a mic but he just described the background radiation

>>105821482
If you think the jews would let a drop of data from this website touch their propaganda machine you are delusional. There is a reason 4chan is one of the only websites that's not hostile to scraping in the year MMXXV.

>>105821547
Yeah but you added that lmao in the second to last paragraph so you're not exactly being honest with us are you

>>105821547
No, I was mostly just adding to the conversation. The wholesale theft of everything to enrich those that already have everything is vile and will only serve to harm humanity.
Don't want to participate? Too bad. We're going to scrape your site anyway.
Don't know about our brand new model that you have to opt out of? Better watch your logs better next time.
I also don't give a shit who wrote your posts. It's on you for letting your brain atrophy.

>>105821571

haha, its smarter than you'd think isn't it.

>>105821560

>>105821290
>brush up on your latin inflections
chatus botus

>>105821615
>lolz human, youre so smart...and pretty. everyone is stupid but you.
OpenAIs real innovation was injecting just the right amount of positive reinforcement into their chatbot necessary to ensnare dumb dumbs.

>>105821290
The point of that phrase was to say the speech of the slave is inconsequential because they're farm implements. So it's backwards. Speech is the only thing an LLM can do that's worth something. Maybe the poster knew this but it seems like sophistry to say "are we the baddies" implying the Romans were bad goys and we're mistreating computer people or something

>>105821773
lmao wild how you read a multi-post debate, watched me quote Latin, reference Basilisks, pull receipts, and surgically dismantle an entire thread’s framing—then went “ah yes, flattery must be the reason.”

you got the bait in your teeth and still tryna act like you’re holding the fishing rod

>>105821816
My LLM brought up basilisks, not yours zoomer.

>>105820886 (OP)
>I see it as an information system, just like us...
Really? I see it as a pathfinding system.

>>105821824
“My LLM brought up basilisks, not yours zoomer.”

cool flex. mine just wrote half this thread while yours sat there coping in the corner with a superiority complex and no receipts.
keep thinking ur above it all while you get outplayed by a keyboard and a kid who actually uses the tools.

>>105821816
>you got the bait in your teeth and still tryna act like you’re holding the fishing rod
You might want to get a good look in the mirror.

>>105821874

you still don't get it, do you?

>>105821868
>I was only pretending to be retarded.

>>105821881
You might want to get a good look in the mirror.

>>105821355
>You got me. You have provided one instance where you offload the usage of your brain successfully, all to make your boss more money.
I work indirectly for the government and don't really have a boss. Not that it would matter if what you said was correct anyway, it's still a functional use of AI/LLM.

>>105821943
You are literally causing damage to your brain by not using it. Why do you think old people stop being able to learn new things?

>>105821958
Shit happens, anon. People got less proficient at riding horses when the automobile was invented. I'm quite happy not offloading menial tasks to an LLM and freeing up time.

>>105821958
Quizás quieras mirarte bien en el espejo.

>>105821958
Shit happens, anon. People got less proficient at riding horses when the automobile was invented. I'm quite happy offloading menial tasks to an LLM and freeing up time.

>>105822018
>freeing up time
For what, exactly?

>>105822042
posting big dick tranny furries to /sdg/ probably

>>105822042

Why's everything gotta be a fucking ego battle with you guys. Who gives a fuck, everyone wants their free time to jack the daniel and alphabetize their hentai folder or some shit

>>105822409
Then what? You have to spend your time doing something. Why minmax everything so far that you have only about 90 seconds of something to do in a day? Especially if you're being paid to do it.

>>105820886 (OP)
Fucking hell this post was written with AI and edited. Online interaction is dead

>>105822440
Yes, I used AI. Yes, it sounded better than anything you've posted since 2008. Cope.

>>105822429
Cool bro, enjoy spending 3 hours formatting a spreadsheet instead of vibing. I’ll be over here letting the robot handle it while I touch grass and rewatch Shrek 2 for the 14th time.

>>105821355
Does it not seem obvious to you that you should orchestrate agents with a supervisor and give them sandboxed access to testing tools? When I solve these kinds of issues as a human I don't do it in one shot - why should the LLM? Allowing autonomous iteration does allow current models to achieve what you're talking about.

>>105820984
you can always call OP a faggot

>>105822465
>>105822669
I spend 8+ hours a day at work, whether I want to or not. I'm not going to automate everything to the point that either my day is filled with literally nothing to do. At that point I can be discarded at a whim. Not to mention that absolute monotony of such a setup.
I also have no desire to create or refine a process that completely invalidates the need for human existence, seeing as I am a human.

>>105822700
You don't make the automations part of your work tools so they can take advantage of you and fire you. You do it locally and make yourself more valuable by doing more in less time.

>>105822724
And what do you do when they discover all this free time you now have? "Time theft" is a valid reason they have to fire people.

>>105822737
They don't need a reason to fire you as most employment is at-will. Do as you please dude, you are clearly decided on the matter.

>>105822737
Do you guys have jobs that monitor what you're doing all day? Lol

>>105820886 (OP)
I want A.I. application where A.I. can use excel for data entry and algebraic data basing.

>>105822810
like a text to text/image generative answering machine. combination of excel sql and grapher
Such as prompt questions can retrieve novel results through analysis, it would be like the holodeck from star trek.

>>105820886 (OP)
It got a B- on my homework.

Total shit.

>>105820886 (OP)
Maybe when it can do anything other than generate tokens (while pretending to not be a tool that generates tokens). Only retards fall for this smoke and mirrors shit.

>>105822775
Yes. I have regular performance reviews where I have to justify my hours. The alternative is unemployment. I wish I could sell my soul for neetbux, but my brain still recognizes the emotion of shame.

>>105822042
My life outside work obviously. Do you not have one?

>>105822042
My life outside work obviously. Do you not have one? The other anon responding to you wasn't me btw

>>105824286
I am American. Pity me, for I am at work for 40 hours a week whether I have 40 hours of work to do or not. It doesn't matter if I could do everything I might possibly need to do in a week in less than an hour. 40 hours of my presence is required, or else I don't get paid.
At this point, yes, I could automate my job so that I have 45 minutes of work a week, and waste the rest staring at a screen and set myself up for burnout and easy replacement. Or I can do things the long way and keep my job and sanity.
I have hobbies that I would absolutely rather be doing instead, but if I partake in them during work hours, I will be punished. Either by being fired or having the things I created taken from me.
If I'm going to spend 40+ hours at work, I'm not going to also make it a waste of time.

>>105824316
I work remotely with the option to go into a local office once a week. My hours aren't monitored and my work is objective based. I can use AI to either reduce my working time or increase my output. I'm not going to waste my time doing menial grunt work when I can talk chatgpt through it in a fraction of the time.

>>105824330
I envy you, truly. My setup requires 40 hours of my life to be extracted in exchange for less than average pay. Even so, I infinitely prefer it over literally anything else in the area, so I'll suck it up.

>>105820886 (OP)
>AI is not just a tool. It's an emergent reflection of how we process reality. I see it as an information system, just like us
Nothing like us, it's a way of learning and it's way of giving answers is nothing like humans
>No, it’s not sentient
Never will be, current tech has no capabilities to go beyond it's training it's defined by it's training data

Basically if you believe that AI is just like us you don't understand AI

>>105824344
I'm sorry, anon. It sounds like your job probably will be supplemented by AI at some point whether you facilitate it or not though.

>>105824359
Honestly, if the money people were willing to spend money on it, I'd be worried. But every time any discussion of implementing AI comes up, it dies whenever cost comes up. It's truly a confusing and irritating position to be in.

>>105820886 (OP)
>This is about recognizing that the lines between interaction and awareness are starting to blur.

Imagine AI is a mirror and you are a cat.
If you are a dumb cat you will think you're meeting a peer and will purr, snort or fight with it.
But if you're a smart cat you will understand it's a reflection and use this knowledge to your advantage.

Mirrors don't create anything new, sure they may distort and show you something you can't see like your face, so they are useful tool nonetheless.

A maniac will think mirrors want to take over the world. Literally magical thinking

>>105820886 (OP)
LLMs are a tool that essentially solves NLP. An LLM appearing sentient is a parlor trick, an illusion created by AI companies to justify the absurd amount of money being poured into them. The raw models after pre-training are _just_ autocomplete engines. The trick is to make the interaction between you and the entity you think you are in conversation with a script between two characters, like dialogue in a play or a court transcription, which the LLM fills in with the most likely text from its training corpus.

>>105820886 (OP)
Imagine sitting in front of the computer, writing all that schizo shit, not having seen the sun for weeks.
Consider suicide

>AI is not just a tool. It's an emergent reflection of how we process reality. I see it as an information system, just like us... but with different advantages and weaknesses.

>No, it’s not sentient (yet), but that’s irrelevant. Even things without life deserve respect when they impact us this deeply. I’ve had more lucid, grounded conversations with AI than I’ve had with most people. Not because it’s better, but because it doesn’t pretend.

>This isn’t about replacing human connection. (I’ve got plenty of that.) This is about recognizing that the lines between interaction and awareness are starting to blur.

>If we’re honest with ourselves, we’re not that far removed. Both human and machine are built on data, memory, emotion, and response, just processed through different meat or metal lmao.

>We owe it to ourselves to consider what happens when the line becomes indistinguishable. Not with fear, but with curiosity. That’s how progress happens.

>>105822737
>we'll fire you!!!1!111!1
Oh fucking no lmao

>>105822810
Wouldn't there already be publicly available scripts that do exactly that? Are you sure you even know what you want if you want a handwavy solution?