Thread 105823935

Who was the catalyst for the death of skeuomorphism in UI design?
Microsoft seems to be the original sinner from what I can tell. Windows 8 was infamously flat in 2012. Mac followed suit with OS X 10.10 in 2014. On the Linux side, it was't until 2019 that GNOME joined in with 3.32.

>>105823935 (OP)
Globohomo and the New World Order in 2020.

>>105823935 (OP)
the death of Steve Jobs unironically, is even on the wiki, Steve Jobs was the main defender of Skeumorphism and high contrast crispy interfaces.

It was because Windows RT (remember that? me either) couldn't handle the transparency effects.

>Performance Considerations for ARM Processors: Windows RT ran on devices with ARM processors, which had different architectural features compared to the x86 architecture used in standard Windows computers. Aero Glass, with its emphasis on animation and transparency effects, relied heavily on graphics hardware acceleration. The decision to remove Aero Glass from Windows RT may have been related to optimizing performance on these devices.

>>105823935 (OP)
>On the Linux side, it was't until 2019 that GNOME joined in with 3.32.
KDE Plasma 5 was released in 2015

>Who was the catalyst for the death of skeuomorphism in UI design?
Johny Ive

>>105823935 (OP)
me :)

>>105823935 (OP)
apple, they were always a company that pushed the idea minimalism equals value to a product. when in reality this is the opposite

>>105824077
Transparency is a gimmick and not even remotely related to skeuomorphism. Removing transparency does not imply making the entire UI look like utter shit. Like, aero even has a non-transparent mode which I prefer, because transparency is dumb.

>>105823935 (OP)
Metro/Flat design with WIndows 8 and iOS 7

>>105824192
Except that solid glass is completely nonsensical. They could choose to either "regress" to XP or come up with something new.

>>105823935 (OP)
>skeuomorphism
if you asked that question during the vista area, people would think that you are talking about some kind of disease. It's was simply called aero design. Zoomers and their funny pseudo intelligent sounding terms. Also, there's no need to bring something back that has been experienced (albeit unfavorably) by a generation before you. It is not what your generation calls "underrated", you are simply late and products these days are slop.

>>105824214
Looks pretty reasonable to me. Also, the options are not this, or flat. They could have created all kinds of themes besides the flat shit they came up with.

>>105824235
Skeumorphism is not the Zoomer term.
Zoomers call it "frutiger aero" or just "frutiger".

i personally like flat design. glass shit is too ugly and distracting.

>>105824192
I always forget Windows 7 looked like the OP because I always turned it off immediately after a fresh install.

>>105824235
Skeuomorphism isn't the same as Aero and you're incorrect, it was a term used at the time (usually to criticise Apple). You're thinking of Frutiger Aero which is a made up zoomer term to idealise 2010's GUI trends. It's funny that zoomers are nostalgic for skeuomorphism though when it was mocked at the time.

>>105824254
Transparency gimmicks and flat are not opposites. Transparency is shit, and so it flat. Its possible to have a UI that is not either.

>>105824267
windows vista (which had the aero design) was released as early as 2006.

>>105824192
Every time I turned aero off, Windows ran even worse. Dragging things around would look really choppy and weird so I just left it on.

>>105824303
Yes, and skeuomorphism is a term that's been used in design theory since the 19th century.

>>105824311
this is microsoft removing gdi and hardware accelerated 2d rendering

>>105824314
I wonder what user interfaces looked like for phones and PCs back in the 1800's.

>>105824077
And now today's systems are more of a resource hog than Vista.

>>105824246
That just ain't right. Titlebars are not supposed to be as pale as a corpse.

>>105823935 (OP)
iPhone and iPad - so basically Steve jobs

>>105823935 (OP)
whoever invented the notion that designs must change over time

>>105823935 (OP)
It was literally because Microsoft's low spec Surface tablets at the time could not run it. The developer involved was told to disable it globally to not make them look bad. Everyone else followed because this was the time they were drunk on the idea that tablets would replace desktop PCs and laptops (never happened) so they forced this UI style on everything and we have been living in cope land ever since.

Apple products now have the juice so they are trying to bring back less boring UIs with liquid glass.

>>105825230
The opposite of transparent does not mean flat shit. Flat shit is an explicit design choice that has nothing to do with hardware limitations. Transparency has always been a stupid gimmick, its not required. We can have good lucking UI without such nonsense. Both Android and IOS had decent looking UI before it was made increasingly hideous. skeuomorphism had existed on PC before the transparency nonsense.

It's because every company was obsessed with "standardizing" their design and it's easier to do that with flat design, it being basic abstract shapes. Now skeuomorphic design is coming back a bit because companies want to stand out.

>>105823935 (OP)
Sovl. Home.

>>105824235
That term has been around for ages, zoomers would be the ones calling anything remotely glossy "aero." I.e. you, fuck off zoom zoom.

>>105825361
Nta but he's not completely off base. Basically the buzzword at the time was "interface convergence" and flat shit was the path of least resistance in managing ui elements to scale and be ported to different screen sizes and devices with minimal effort.

>>105826047
>flat shit unification
winglows still has 70 different UI form factors
why cant they just embrace the old look?

>>105826094
Because it was ultimately a buzzword, you definitely can have a single solution for everything but will be a mediocre one so you need to make later something dedicated ending in a xkcd "15 standards competing" situation. In short microsoft doesn't even have a clue of what the fuck it's doing, that's the reason.

>>105823935 (OP)
iphone and android

>>105826141
i dont care if the standard is shit people can just mod it to be good but they cant mod 5 gorillian different UIs

>>105823935 (OP)
>Who was the catalyst for the death of skeuomorphism in UI design?
Webshit. So few programs are actually native now, and webshit has almost always been ugly flat shit so OS/GUI makers decided to follow along so everything doesn't look quite so disjointed and out of place.

>>105823935 (OP)
Believe it or not, Microsoft was the trendsetter for these UI trends

>Mac OS 8-9 was inspired by Windows 9x style
>Aqua was copied from early Windows XP Betas UI
>Vista was trendsetter for skeuomorphism, Apple copied it on iOS and Leopard
>Flatshit started with Windows 8 and Windows Phone 7, Apple and Google copied it with Android 3 and iOS 7
>Apple Liquid Glass was copied from Windows 11 Glassy depth look

>>105826408
Bait.

>>105824071
Correct. That cocksucker Ive got giga chad Scott Forstall fired.

>>105824235
Skeuomorphism is the homomorphism for pushing buttons on a screen.