Will nobody hire me if I refuse to code with AI?

>>105828095 (OP)
>Will nobody hire me
Yes.
/tread

electrician here

will nobody hire me if i refuse to work with copper?

A smart, non-jeeted company will hire you.
So yes, no one will hire you.

>>105828569
Israel lost.

>>105828569
This, lol.

I don't get it, why would you hire a human to code with AI?

Why can't the managers just type what they want into chatGPT let it do its thing? Isn't that the whole point, not needing to hire coders because AI can do their job?

>>105828095 (OP)
I'm not even allowed to use AI in my software development.

>>105828900
Because it's not that good, at least yet. Ai makes quite a lot of mistakes that a human still have to fix because the Ai agent cannot and it gave up after 12 iteration on the problem. It's a useful tool that save you time on braindead shit like unit tests, migrations, cookie cutter shit like db repositories, etc. Intentionally staying away from Ai is like intentionally staying away from IDEs. Nobody will hire you and they will be right to do so. Nobody needs a self cucking self righteousness retard.

>>105829993
>unit tests, migrations, cookie cutter shit like db repositories, etc
I'm not indian so I my work doesn't involve any of these. How can AI help me?

How do you code with AI though?

>>105830008
You don't even do unit tests? Nothing can help you.

>>105830043
As I said, I'm not indian, and neither are any of my coworkers, so we usually don't have to worry about someone committing an isEqualTo7() function that returns false if you pass it the number 7.

>>105830087
>Indian Indian indian
holy fucking rent free
if you don't see value in unit tests, then there is no saving you

>>105830122
>angry brown noises
What's that? Sorry, I don't speak hindi, you should try using ChatGPT to translate your posts to english next time.

>>105830184
And again with the sane shit. You have the imagination of an average jeet, dude. Did I hurt your feefees? Don't cry, the scary testing is not going to get you.
>admit to writing untested jeetcore
>call others indians
zamn

>>105828095 (OP)
>I refuse to code with AI
Why? It's great. Saves a ton of time and effort.

>>105830265
If you need tests for everything because ever 2 line change you make has a huge chance of making the entire house of cards fall apart without them, yes, you are probably indian.

>>105828095 (OP)
>use ai as interface for your manuals
problem solved

>>105830369
>he went from no unit tests at all to 100% coverage
I don't practice either of those, but I'd rather have full coverage than zero coverage.

>>105830369
yeah but what about when youre coding your 12-14th fucking hour of the day
i say that experience and work ethics make rust redundant
i code almost exclusively in c since 6 years now
i have 500k locs under my belt

but i test everything
because sometimes youre coding your 12 or 14th hour of the day
and nobody is beyond making mistakes

I am Indian (2nd gen Indian American) and I'm the CTO of an early startup. What I look for are two things:
>1. Do not be an angsty white kid with midwit tier SAT score who thinks they are owed a job
>2. Do not think you are too intelligent to use code generation (either through some IDE or straight up the LLM chatbot interface i.e. AIStudio).

I hope the white school shooters of /g/ can take this advice.

>>105830447
>because sometimes youre coding your 12 or 14th hour of the day
I don't do this either because I'm not indian.

>>105830458
>Do not think you are too intelligent to use code generation
its kinda good advice but as a person who *cannot use llms for code bc its just an unsuitable tool this can only make me wince
(ask if you want detail, im not writing a book just to be ignored)

>>105830465
you dont have personal projects that you count on to become economically independent, either, then (aka not wageslaving anymore, ever)
(yes that takes work and dedication. who would have fukken thought, right?)

>>105830458
>am brahmin saar
>you must kindly do the needful and use the AI saar or I will not hire you to my openai wrapper startup bloody benchod

>>105830482
Not sure if I understand your post, but is the gist of what you're saying that most LLMs suck at programming languages (and the associated architectural patterns to use said languages) for things that aren't basic webshit?

I.e. LLMs are terrible at terraform

I mean I agree with that, but if you're a webshitter and you're not using LLMs youre just retarded
>>105830516
Timmy, please put the AR-15 down and do NOT enter the elementary school.

>>105830524
>angry poo noises

>>105830524
>I mean I agree with that, but if you're a webshitter and you're not using LLMs youre just retarded
and thats what i agreed with
if i might have sounded offensive its because the constant ai-shilling makes me angry to be honest
this board is filled with cargo-cult tier retard fukken ai evangelists
well, not filled
but theyre vocal
and to our misery tech fantasy is indeed tech related...

>>105830533
>cargo cultists
>>105830524
see, this is exactly what i meant
you just cannot talk about ai without one of these vir/g/in fukken dweebs feeling obligated to shove their 2 fukken cents into your face

>>105830533
GET LAID ALREADY FUCKEN HELL

>>105830574
>rakesh so angry he quotes the same post twice
this is literally you rn btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukznXQ3MgN0

>>105830554
Yeah then we're 100% agreeing - for the limited scope of being a webshitter who isn't touching critical infra (i.e. building monolithic CRUDshit apps in javascript or python), using LLMs is not only fine, but a massive value-add.

But that value-add dramatically drops off once you get to more complex systems and more mission-critical infra.

This is what a lot of AI-for-coding enthusiasts seem to be less vocal on because none of them are actually applying these LLMs for generating/refactoring code in mission-critical infra or anything that isn't CRUDshit

>>105830588
nonono
you quoted the wrong post you fucken retard
poo noises apply when he said hes from india
but no
you intervened only when we started to berate your fukken religion

fuck off back to /lit/ already
you fucking fantasist

>>105830596
>This is what a lot of AI-for-coding enthusiasts seem to be less vocal on because none of them are actually applying these LLMs for generating/refactoring code in mission-critical infra or anything that isn't CRUDshit
we are indeed 100% on the same wavelength

a word of advice: if you dont want to deal with childish shit
maybe try to keep your nationality to yourself
plenty of people are seething because usa use indian workforce
some justifiably so
they feel betrayed, so their reactions are overblown, and theyre sensitive about the subject

but also shitposting is part of our culture
and i wouldnt mind a jeetbro making all the front end tranies seethe
it adds variety, see

>>105830645
If I told you the truth about how much smarter and harder working Indian/Asian-American (i.e. children born and raised in America to Indian/East Asian parents) diaspora are than their White American counterparts, you not only wouldn't believe me, but you'd start hurling slurs as a cope.

I'll just leave this one anecdote:

My high school (in San Jose, CA, the Silicon Valley) was 90% Asian-American (even split of Indian and East Asians). The 10% remaining were White kids. The White students in our high school were so incapable of being able to keep up with the curricula and rigor that they were dropped down to retard-friendly classes in what is known as the "Voyager Program" in our high school for basically slower kids.

White American kids are so much stupider than Asian/Indian American kids that if you put them in the same classroom, they simply look retarded in comparison and have to drop out.

Again, no one will want to believe me because this is 4chud and we all hate jeets now but it's 100% true. This is why I just scoff to myself when I see (presumably) White posters on /g/ act liked they are OWED a job.

>>105830707
>you'd start hurling slurs as a cope.
jeet means victory, no?
the problem with american is that theyve been overfed
and so they became lazy

i see that with the arabs that came to my country (belgium)
the people from their country are mostly honorable and mostly honest working
theyre not hard worker and dont have the best morals by nature
but theyre not bad

but the people who been here for a couple generations are the worst possible trash you could ever imagine
and im nod idolizing people who arent here
i have both people straight from morocco and people who have been here since generations and i can see the immediate difference

its not a matter of origin
its a matter of overfeeding and human nature
dont overfeed your children anon
hunger is what motivates us (but obviously dont traumatize em either, eh? dont overdo it)

>i have both people straight from morocco and people who have been here since generations and i can see the immediate difference
100% honest
the hardest racists i know are arabs
and theyre racist against fellow arabs

>>105830707
That's a lot of cope for being poopskinned.

>>105830815
yeah but theres a reason he got hired
and you werent
why is it fukken bloc against a whole fukken origin
i surmise youre american
do i need to remind you of your predatory practices against fellow whites?

>>105830853
When I made this post >>105830184 it was obviously a joke, but this time I mean it, I have no idea what your angry brownoid ramblings are supposed to mean.

>>105830815
we can make this thread into a joint poo/weimerican hate thread
i got material on both (ev&oe my heart is with india. ive been there and i think ima go back. idk how things are nowadays, but based on my experience from 20 years ago i wanna go back someday)

>>105830873
its the using jeet as a slur
even to insult someone

im not a jeet
and i know theres scams
but rly? to such a fucking extent that tranime posting pedos call me a jeet when i ruin a lisp thread?

>>105830853
>yeah but theres a reason he got hired
no no no no no. I am not hired. I am a co-founder and I'm funded. I work for myself.

We're not hiring or well funded enough to hire but I would prefer to hire American. don't care about skin color

I love White Americans and everything they've done to build this country but holy fucking shit the contrast between the White American's perceived levels of competence and the actual competence is grotesque.

Again, this isn't a WHYPEEPO BAD post but it just makes me fucking laugh, as someone who grew up seeing White Americans have to drop out of classes because they couldn't compete with Indians/Asians.

the same thing happens with early-mid stage B2B SaaS startups btw.

>>105830892
>I am a co-founder and I'm funded
>We're not hiring or well funded enough to hire
What kind of openai api wrapper service is your startup built around?

>>105830892
>Again, this isn't a WHYPEEPO BAD
its ok jeetbro
were a "racist" site
you dont need to preface with disclaimers. janies WILL protect americans, but getting b& for being racist against them only means youre using the site the correct way. its 3 days anyways, it makes for a good measure to balance work and pleasure. just get banned, and dont evade. you'll get bored, and you will focus on constructive stuff
>because they couldn't compete with Indians/Asians.
i posit its a motivation thing
fukken
they are born with a silver spoon in their mouth as we say
they have eveerything
rich people have everything
take rich people from india
remove their money
what are they worth then?

generationally rich people, who were raised with a spoon in their mouth
tend to end bad when money runs out

>>105830906
Honest question: do you think it's an insult if you call a company an LLM wrapper? stupid. Imagine going back to 2012 and telling everyone, “hey, you’re just an AWS wrapper!” meanwhile most startups tend to converge towards PaaS now instead of AWS and bare infrastructure

being an LLM wrapper actually means using the technology to your advantage

>>105828095 (OP)
If you apply to work on a construction site but refuse to use power tools do you think you'll get hired?

>>105828561
Retarded jeet

>>105830949
>being an LLM wrapper actually means using the technology to your advantage
last compliment im doing bc youre new
well said
but dont expect people giving you +1 when you say something good
to the contrary
when you say something good
everyone shuts the fuck up and start thinking
if someone thinks they found something better
then you get a challenge

in other words
no challenge == king of the hill
id like you to post here thats why i explain that shit to you

>>105830958
Subhuman pajeet retard

>>105828900
there's different levels to software engineer, in general you can think of it like this
>Junior
fixes small bugs, does small PRs while they learn the codebase. Totally replaceable by AI
>Mid-level
owns a single feature, might investigate more complex issues. They are also mostly replaceable now
>Senior
Owns a feature area. Delegates tasks to mid-levels and juniors. This is where an AI agent becomes potent. The senior can delegate tasks to an AI instead, all they need to do is review the code
>Principal
owns a product area and had broad knowledge of the product in general. Probably still needs seniors to assist with task delegation in feature areas which is why senior is still relevant

>Why can't the managers just type what they want into chatGPT
Engineering Manager doesn't get involved with the tech stuff as much they are just there to organize the team, make sure they have the tools they need and to prioritize the work. Sometimes they are useless

>>105830949
>doesnt even deny it
lmao I knew it. you jeets and your "AI startups" are all the same. I literally steal API keys from people like you.

>>105831063
Are you on here bragging that you're an unemployed white guy who steals API keys from employed Indian-American engineers who are subsidizing your lifestyle? Why are you proud of this?

>>105831076
For your information, I'm employed and not american, but yes, I'm bragging about owning you brownoids like the animals you are.

>>105831090
(nta)
oof
you dont wanna go there, germoney

>>105831090
or is it france?
to be honest
waffles are the last standing west europeon country

maybe denmark and switzerra
switzerra isnt in the eu so the shit all over "modern" problems

>>105830458
>too intelligent to use code generation
but no code generation tool is currently capable of building complex software that actually works
>but muh crud app
nobdoy gives a fuck that shit got automated through importing jeets 30 years ago

>>105830305
It's soulless.

>>105830949
>being an LLM wrapper actually means using the technology to your advantage
being an LLM wrapper means your company will die long before it gets acquired or IPO'd because you're riding a hype wave without any moat to back it up

>>105831184
what dont you like about fast money
or is it that you dont like money at all?

>>105831184
You sound like you just googled the term "moat" and tried to shoehorn it into a sentence to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. When people do this it's incredibly apparent. You sound like a dumb woman. Please stop posting.

>>105831160
Retard, you shouldn't be using LLMs to build complex software projects. Are you actually Indian?

>>105831226
im not sure about the indian part
theres plenty of retards in america alone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpO_NrujsB4

>>105831226
>you shouldn't be using LLMs to build complex software projects.
that's exactly what I said, retard. did your jeet apologia bot misfire here?

(didnt watch it btw)
(they always deliver, theirs is one of the rare brands i have blind faith in)

>>105831203
>fast money
a failed startup is anything but that. just get a job it's way better ROI
>>105831210
your LLM wrapper will fail like 98% of others. a couple will get acquired because some dumb jeet at facebook thinks it will look god on his metrics

>>105831250
im the bot then
why dont you at me to try and make me derail
or are you targetting the newfag,permayhapsbeit

>>105831261
>just get a job it's way better ROI
no
worst acse scenario- fake papers
otherwise- shrug-emoji-dot-jaypeg
tf you care
you wipe with due diligence

i wouldnt invest in that
fukken vc is a black ho le money-wise
but if you insist...

>you're indian
>no you're indian
this is /g/ now

>>105831290
thats whwy we shouldnt care and the cutoff should be iq
like i did

>>105828095 (OP)
You VILL train ze ai for free

>>105830369
this was posted by a dynamic language retard, just picture that for a moment