Thread 105828780

>Windows 11 UI is written in React Native (non native)
>GNOME shell is written in GJS (non native)
>macOS UI is written in Swift (native)

>>105828780 (OP)
Thats why im staying on 10.

That's what I'm saying. Compared to everything else Mac is the only sane option.

>>105828780 (OP)
>React Native (non native)
Are you sure?

>GJS
Maybe gtk?

What about KDE? (Qt)
What do you even mean with native? I never used react

>>105829319
Windows 11 UI is written in react native/javascript, it probably compiles to native, but this overhead of javascript -> native is what make it slow, windows 11 is laggy compared to windows 10.

GJS is GNOME's "react native", it is less shitty than react native, you can tell by using gnome, it's not as slow and laggy as windows 11.

KDE is Qt (C++), but KDE shell developers are retarded, it's buggy.

React is Facebook's UI framework for web (it works by changing browser's DOM), it got ported to desktop (hence react ""native""), but it's not true native if it's written in javascript.

>>105829460
Alright now i know why Facebook has been slow as shit in recent years to load interfaces like the notifications or messages.

>>105828780 (OP)
>>105829319
>>105829460
win11 isn't slow, but i'm still sticking to mac for work and windows is relegated to vidya

>>105828780 (OP)
Works on my machine.

>>105828780 (OP)
>Swift (native)
lol
lmao even

>>105828780 (OP)
React Native and GJS are native as well.

Who cares when all the apps have JavaScript frontends too
It's over

>>105828780 (OP)
i take the L
t. gnome
rare macos win

>>105829158
XFCE 4
Literally any other window manager but GNOME, which is liquid diarrhea.

>>105829460
explorer.exe is a react app but you can close explorer.exe and never use it. all you need is the dwm.exe. if you need a start menu there's plenty of alternatives or just use the fucking terminal/powershell.

>>105828780 (OP)
>Windows 11 UI is written in React Native (non native)
Proof??

>>105830644
he's talking about explorer.exe. something microsoft is killing in the future (hello rog xbox)

>>105830354
feels good to be a js/ts developer

>>105830657
No it isn't.

>>105828780 (OP)
actually cocoa is mostly objective-c

>>105828780 (OP)
lxde (gtk2) chads say winning

>>105830376
Yet gnome is the primarily supported Linux desktop environment. Using anything else will have you tinkering all day.

>>105829460
>, windows 11 is laggy compared to windows 10.
not true anon, why are you making shit up? this only affects ram usage at best.

>>105832133
>this only affects ram usage at best.
not true anon, why are you making shit up?

>>105830734
you can already kill explorer.exe in task manager.
the benefit is better gaming fps and lower power draw.

>>105832224
the new start menu is made in react

>>105832133
brother, I have dual boot of Windows 10 and 11 side by side, the speed difference between 10 and 11 is brutal.

Windows 11 literally flickers with lag.

>>105832320
yeah maybe on a 2 gb ram machine

>>105828780 (OP)
GJS uses native bindings to C code. It's not web shit.

>>105828780 (OP)
Looks very native to me

even Qt these days uses javascript with QML, but at least you can have most of the important stuff on the c++ and just invoke it

>>105828780 (OP)
It's very suspicious considering Mac being the worst in terms of input lag and animation fluidity.
Shit like the expose and desktop switch is unbearable even with a high refresh monitor

>>105828780 (OP)
And the xerox alto used smalltalk for its ui. Is OP the moron here?

>>105829460
>KDE is Qt (C++), but KDE shell developers are retarded, it's buggy.
KDE is mostly QT Quick (QML) - glorified react native

>>105830376
>liquid diarrhea.
One massive puddle of lolnix liquid diarrhea that's it.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Linux_Distribution_Timeline.svg

>>105830813
>Xfce 4.12 (GTK2) chads say winning
FTFY

>>105833737
JS sucks in any context, but Qt uses it in a much less insane way than GNOME or Windows.

i only use win32 and xcb for my programs

>>105832054
KDE is perfect out of the box.
Gnome is for toddlers

>>105832133
>>105832320
>SAAR YOU NEED TO UPGRADE TO 64 GBS OF RAM
>THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR PROGRAM SAAR
>COMPUTER JUST TOO SLOW

>>105836175
It's hilarious watching poors/browns project this.
Like any streetshitter can afford 64GB RAM.

>>105836226
>NO SAAR YOU'RE PROJECTING YOU'RE THE BROWN ONE
>IT'S NOT THE PROGRAM THAT'S BADLY WRITTEN SAAR
>YOU NEED 64GB OF RAM FOR THIS PROGRAM SAAR

20 years later:
>SAAR YOU NEED AT LEAST 1024GBs OF RAM FOR THIS PROGRAM
>NO SAAR IT'S NOT THE PROGRAM THAT'S UNSTABLE
>YOUR COMPUTER JUST BAD

iJeet sarrsss...

>>105828780 (OP)
Use case for native?

>>105832224
and? I said it isn't made using react. Your post has nothing to do with what I said.
>>105832255
No it isnt

>>105837149
What's it written in then?

>>105833684
it's suspicious considering you clearly never used a mac in your life. even people who didn't like it can't help but admit the animations are superb.
the desktop switch animation is unrivaled and the windows one is embarrassing in comparison. it's not hard at all to find side by side comparisons

>>105837037
Use case for JS?

Windows 98 was written using ActiveX. People had to install 98lite to get a "native" shell.

>>105828780 (OP)

KDE

everything else is for retards

>bigmac

yeah enjoy your proprietary userspace

>>105837813
No it wasn't, the only webshit was the sidebar which you could disable with a few clicks.

>>105837813
>>105838333
Oh, you're talking about the active desktop shit which nobody ever used and was disabled by default. I'm pretty sure there was even a box you could uncheck during installation to not have it installed.

>>105837813
You can set a webpage as your desktop in Windows 98 which was pretty crazy.

>>105828780 (OP)
Pretty sure it's a mix of C#/.NET/WinUI/UWP and only the "search" has some CSS stuff

>>105829158
Yeah but you have to buy Apple hardware to really use it, so it's out of the running by default.

>>105828780 (OP)
>>GNOME shell is written in GJS (non native)
>Brainlet doesn't know how bindings to C work

>>105828780 (OP)
>>105829460
Wait, I thought GTK was pure C? What is all this web trash doing in my desktop GUI?
These lazy nigger ass modern devs need to go back to their roots and starting writing programs in pure X11 and Win32.

>>105829319
Plasma uses QML which is also JavaScript

>>105828780 (OP)
If Mac is so good, then why do only homosexuals use it?

>>105836285
holly shit, LISP is such a piece-of-shit language.

>>105829460
>hate GNOME because it feels extremely outdated despite being fast
>hate KDE for being Qt bloat despite being very modern
You can never win. Pick your poison, I guess.

>>105838596
At least on Linux you have a choice. On Windows 11 you have to use whatever M$ shoves down your throat.

>>105829158
untie it from apple hardware and i'll use it

>>105828780 (OP)
proud to be a native user :-)

>>105833737
>KDE is mostly QT Quick (QML)
Where? In tray calendar? Everything is made with widgets.

>>105828780 (OP)
Why cant i just remove graphics card retardation and directly acess pixels like memory locations?

>>105838526
it is C. But mutter does not use GTK, it would be foolish to mix your average gui toolkit and kind of widgets you use to draw system UI. Mutter has a built in toolkit called clutter, which is also C. OP is a nocoder that can't understand separation of concerns.
>Mutter (C) runs main rendering loop where bulk of stuff is handled
>gnome-shell (GJS) thread tells mutter to where to put what, defining mutter's internal state and handing off the bulk of the work to it
but that's boring internal workings of complex computing libraries, that would not get much attention around here would it?

>>105837473
usecase for usecase?

>>105837242
Why are you asking me? I'm not the one making a retarded claim.

>>105832320
What version? I recently installed win 11 iot enterprise and extra debloated it using talon and I have never experienced windows being so snappy before (my only experience with Linux was a couple years ago with Linux Mint and that felt "unresponsive" in comparison")

>>105841857
both are iot enterprise, it runs like shit, just see for yourself, install 10 iot enterprise ltsc and compare to 11

Technically there are a couple of parts of macOS that are actually webviews for React, but these are mostly just a couple of settings views inside native windows.

>>105841927
KEK
so every major OS's UI is pozzed

Rat status?

>>105841927
it's over, we lost

>>105829942
>>105832133
>>105841857

OP here, I told on >>105829460 that Windows 11 is laggy compared to 10 and people said it was not.

Guess what, I booted to my Windows 11, updated it and noticed that file explorer wasn't lagging anymore, but something was fishy about it, I opened the task manager and realized that Microshit fixed the explorer lag by MAKING IT OPEN IN MEMORY ALL THE TIME, even if you are not using it.

You cannot make this shit up, the JEETfication is on its final form.

Still somehow better than linux.

Cry about it.

>>105843667
holly dunning kruger. I've been using linüx for last 9 years and I can say that it's funny how confidently wrong you are

>>105841707
It's not a retarded claim, didn't you know Microsoft rewrote windows explorer in react native?

what went wrong

and then you wonder why an ancient cpu could handle win2k smoothly

>>105829158
Except mac only has paid software and is hardware limited.

FUCKING JEETS

>>105841857
Bullshit.

Maybe pumping out retarded web developers was a bad idea. I'm building everything in C++ these but it feels like swimming against a flood.

>nooo guys you need to use pointers and do memory allocation n sheeit u cant just do it the easy way its not good practice!!
Seethe, I am making bank writing all my apps in electron. Soon hardware technology will improve to the point that languages like C/C+ will become invalidated and programming will be based on ease of access.

>>105829942
>win11 isn't slow
If I can notice the UI being SIGNIFICANTLY slower on my 5800X3D compared to 10 then yes it is slow

>>105828780 (OP)
JS won the UI war, and you lost

>>105845837
in a perfect world wed still be using windows xp

>>105838446
AHHHH NO DONT MAKE ME USE BIG THICC CORES WITH FAST SOLDERED MEMORY

>>105847017
let me know when your currynigger shitbook can beat an intlel N95 from 5 centuries ago

>>105829105
Me too. At least for now, Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC x64 works buttery smooth. I install only the few things I want using PowerShell (HEVC codecs etc.), including stuff like Dolby Atmos, just needed to allow unsigned drivers for a single session. Everything worked like a charm.
When using PowerShell commands I remembered my romance with Linux. Or using Command Prompt on Windows 98 SE. Never installed Windows ME, because apparently it was a rushed piece of shit and Windows XP came shortly afterwards, so no loss there I guess.

>>105847017
You sound like Dobson, who couldn't let go of his shit, old Apple PC and cried constantly that he gets 5 FPS in Skyrim.

>>105838539
When did using JavaScript become commonplace in making DE? Let me guess, when they allowed jeet codemonkeys to make changes in how UI works. I mean, JavaScript? Fucking SERIOUSLY?

>>105843894
lmao jeet detected

>>105846545
I love Windows 7 and XP with all my heart.
Unfortunately, the design problems first surfaced with Windows 8, which quickly had to be overhauled resulting in Windows 8.1, which I personally used and remember fondly. It wasn't bad at all with a few tweaks. The first versions of Windows 10 were similarily a clusterfuck. Only later on people got the ability to use it in its far better form, with much longer support and not being bombarded with jeet "updates".

>>105847671
>ad hominem
I accept your concession

>>105838428
We need to go back.

>>105832133
You must be blind if you don't see the lag.
Someone made a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo0hSj5yFvg

>>105846331
Kill yourself, nigger street shitter subhumanoid ape.

>>105847956
Did you know I am a demon that feeds off the anger of others? Your precious seethe has just increased my lifespan by at least 4 months. Thank you for your contribution.

>>105832133
RETARDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>105847883
the cancer is terminal

>>105847883
That's what you get for running a Chinese, government approved version full of bacdoors and telemetry sending much more information. Running on a ricefield infrastructure too.

>>105847883
This isnt even a fucking second who cares? When I need a program i press install and it's there on linux i gotta reconfigure my whole os to run a game i dont care about a 0.2 second lag if my computer actually works without some random shit fuckass buggery happening whenever i run anything

>>105848948
>half a second lag before every interaction does not matter, in linux <lie>
nice argument nigger

>>105841927
i find it very funny how the subscription button is made pretty and appealing to make you forget it's the home for all the shit they make you pay that is free on every other OS except theirs

>>105848985
the jeets are working hard in delhi to patch this

>>105828780 (OP)
i3wm, I rest my based case. If you would like to discuss further matters please attend the /g/ negronference on the date of August 22nd, located at 1234 Saint Nigguhz Street.

>>105832054
>OpenBox
>XFCE4 Panel
>feh
eh? I got my mods in ~/.config and move them over to machines when needed. Mozilla is always pain at default so I copy a custom profile folder for that too.

>>105832320
Windows 11 does feel like cake frosting over hot shit. Where the fuck are the troubleshooters? Certain menu choices force certain directions but real tools will pop up if you click the right points (like advanced or whatever). Windows 11 keeps eating my printer and locking up on it. Scanning is a hot mess too.

>>105848948
bruh moment

Reminder they're somehow proud of it too.
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/react-native/rnw-settings-win11/
How do these people even still have their jobs? They're making the worst decisions possible and they're proud of it.

>>105828780 (OP)
Here's a tip to make win11 (and win10) instantly better:
Disable the windows search indexing service (Windows Search)

It'll not only stop hogging system resources in the background,
but ironically it'll make the search functionality faster and more reliable.
The start menu will only search through installed programs and system utils, like how it used to work and is way faster.

Search in file explorer still works just as well too (i.e. it's slow as shit and basically unusable)

>>105851317
You can install powertoys and both powertoys run and cmdpal (which the indians at microsoft invented to replae the White Made PowertoysRun out of envy) can do a better search than their startmenu can. You can also add everything extension to make it so you can search through all your files, but that ap takes about 300mb of ram just bg indexing.

>>105852396
>powertoys and both powertoys run and cmdpal
Raycast is better and going to eat their lunch

>>105846545
Remove your darn rose tinted glasses, XP was umusable crap.

>>105847539
Uhhhh that OS is for embedded devices, it's hardly a consumer OS.

>>105848088
Why does it happen in regular English Windows 11 Enterprise too then?

>>105845837
>virtual machine on the 9950

>>105855198
cope

>>105828780 (OP)
nope, gnome-shell is written in C
JS is more of a config, the execution is done by compiled C code binary
gnome-shell-48.1$ github-linguist .
44.04% 2802632 JavaScript
43.58% 2773598 C
8.55% 544415 CSS
1.82% 115639 SCSS
0.77% 49315 Meson
0.62% 39424 Python
0.57% 36067 Shell
0.04% 2647 GLSL
gnome-shell-48.1$

you are mentally ill
GNOME is written in GTK and Windows is written whatever FOTM .NET desktop framework

>>105839778
I mean, you can.

>>105830354
Negroni status?

>>105843667
You do realize that explorer process is running the taskbar as well right?