Thread 105834065

I thought EU were the good guys

Jus primae noctis 2.0

>>105834065 (OP)
why the fuck would you think that?
Just look at the satanic woman who runs the whole show

>>105834065 (OP)
Good luck with that lol.

>>105834342
they already took away your guns
and your copyright infringement
and your privacy

>>105834065 (OP)
You thought that because you're retarded.

>>105834368
> nope
> nope
> neither

>>105834065 (OP)
EU nations use the EU as a scapegoat. All EU members nations want this to happen. Look at the UK they are even worse of in the surveillance slippery slope. Shit laws like that would happen even if a nation exits the EU. It's game over no matter what. China, US, NK, Russia, etc will love all the backdoors in every piece of tech.

The EU is not a singular entitiy. It consists of may people across the full political spectrum. So of course you'll also have your right-wingers who want the people to be fully transparent and be able to break into every device. While they themselves and law enforcement will of course be exempt, fully intransparent and unaccountable.
However there are also opposing forces who care about citizen's and human rights. Who will acively work against those groups. And for more consumer protection.

>>105835062
they have done nothing but harm to them yet the people keep voting right wing parties into power

>>105834065 (OP)
Our leaders are literal commie-tier retards, overpaid to underperform, only good at coming up with useless liberty-killing laws to justify their stupidly high cost of living.
But they usually backtrack on these kinds of laws because it would allow everyone to know what they download

>>105834065 (OP)
>I thought a jewish organization that seeks to eliminate all sovereignity and establish a singular slave-nation were the good guys

>>105834065 (OP)
>buy goggle pyxel
>install grafene
>???
>prophet

>>105834065 (OP)
>I thought EU were the good guys
have you been living under a rock for the last 2 decades?

>>105835062
>>105835207
>muh right wingers are doing this
Back to preddit with you.

>>105835223
Look into pretty much any of the European Union politicians. Many of them got a record of being very very incompetent politicians in their country of origin. And then after the public catches on they're promoted away to the European Union. Away from the public scrutiny. Von der Leyen is a classic example. She ticks all of the boxes of being a corrupt incompetent and opportunistic politician. Yet she somehow became the fucking president of the European Union??? Nothing based about a bunch of undemocratic corrupt leaders governing us.

>>105834065 (OP)
>/g/
>think
Ha

>>105834065 (OP)
LMAO OP
they, the EU have been fighting individual freedom, individual rights and privacy forever since. Orwellian levels of totalitarianism.
This is more than 10 years ago:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/INDECT
Note how it probably was never cancelled but made confidential.
This reveals those peoples character and mindset and it is no surprise that many more such efforts are known to the public.
It's the same as the demands for backdoors into everything etc.
Long story short: Log off. Check out. Also if you have to: Encrypt your own stuff using audited FOSS solutions (which they are tryjng to ban - surprise!)

>>105835812
I don't know about the other countries, but here in France it is indeed the right wing parties who are pushing this kind of policy the most

>>105836252
If you dont support it you're definately one of them terrorists and what the fuck is your problem with children man?

Western leaders look at China and think that they could implement totalitarian surveillance state much better.

This path eventually lead to them start installing brain chips on newborns, so that they can directly read every citizen's mind and memory. It's really no different than installing backdoor into every computer in order to read every message and file. Arguments in the future will be same.

I'm so glad I'm gonna be long gone by that time.

frenly reminder, if it wasn't for the EU, we'd all be drowning in mountains of incompitable phone chargers by now. Take my data based Evroverlords, you deserve it for your services to humanity.

>>105836252
I live in Australia, and it's both parties pushing it.

>>105834065 (OP)
Chiara Castro is Ching Chong Pin's whore. It's all documented.

>>105834065 (OP)
the first lesson is that there are no good guys

Europe is just soviet union 2.0
they bled russia dry and moved their headquarters to brussels. this time they didn't even need to brutally murder any royal families because they improved their brainwashing methods

Fake news https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/ST-15941-2024-REV-2/en/pdf

>>105834065 (OP)
>>105836350
why are chinks so bad at propaganda? somehow their even worse than russia

>>105834065 (OP)
Hate to be the one to break your fantasy but no political leadership will ever be on the side of the little man. Leaders will always be a small organized group ruling the large masses and never the other way around. We learned nothing from socialism and its promises so now in the same way we believe in democracy that does not really exist.
It doesn't matter who you put on top. That person will always see you as cattle and maximise their control over you. If the path to do that in the 21st century is mass surveillance, every leadership will do that, eu, china, usa, regardless of their 'values'.

>>105834065 (OP)
Communism is scared of people.

>>105835062
Uhm, the politicians pushing for this are hardcore lefties

>>105834065 (OP)
They make good choices to counteract the bad choices

>>105836503
Workers own the means of production in the EU?

>>105836593
Government controls all aspects of the society and workers are no more than drones that cannot have free and independent thoughts

>>105834065 (OP)
If you didn't do anything wrong, you'd have nothing to hide.

>>105835062
Auth people want less privacy and lib people more privacy, it isn't about left-right
As a matter of fact most pedophiles are on the lib side, so they really don't want this to happen

>>105834065 (OP)
>I thought EU were the good guys
You fell for the propaganda.

>>105834065 (OP)
In a democracy, there always will be forces that try to undermine freedom.
If a democracy is not maintained and fought for, you get America.

>>105834065 (OP)
I hate how mutts act like every proposal will make it into a law. 99% of these proposals will never go anywhere because it just needs one country voting against it. We aren't an autocratic shithole like you where your dictator Trump can literally do anything.

>>105834065 (OP)
Aren't they?

>>105836975
Trump does what his donators want him to

>>105834065 (OP)
its a proposal from the eu cops working groups in the commission, not the proper commission
but its good that this shit is talked on, if there are no noise only the lies they tell to the rest of the bureaucrats and politicians will be heard

>>105836987
Israel?

>>105835268
This. EU has always been about the (((globalists))) wanting a superstate and then keep gobbling up more.

This is why the EU is forcing mass immigration on all their member states and those who want to join, because without any ethnic and cultural heritage binding people in a nation, there is no nation.

>>105834065 (OP)
They are not and this is stupid and will rejected again. Every couple of years they come up with this garbage and every single time security professionals have to tell this is a retarded idea that will make hackers and enemies very happy.

>>105834065 (OP)
we are one election for le Pen or Weidel away from the whole thing doing a rapid unscheduled disassembly
of course they are worried

>>105836252
> France
> Right wing parties
You don't have those

>>105837359
>>>/pol/

>>105837377
They only have to pass it once, it's much harder to repeal something. See the EU constitution.

>>105837391
Right wing parties start with the yellow
(these colors are not parties but parties groups)

>>105837391
France literally invented right-wing parties.
Look up the origin of the term.

>>105834065 (OP)
I wonder if they ever learn that those rules are unenforcable unless you completely rebuild our entire digital infrastructure from scratch (which is impossible).

>>105836252
>>105839037
Compared to the rest of the world, those "right-wing" parties are far-left

>>105834342
They won't decrypt your data, but like in the UK they will arrest you and instruct the judge that those 50 gb's of encrypted data are a mixture of Iran nuclear diagrams and CP unless you can prove otherwise and now you are in a french supermax while your cellmate of about to make you toss his salad.

>>105834065 (OP)
EU is american slaves, they have no brain power

>>105834065 (OP)
let me guess, the same people that told you that are also the people that claim Europe has railways everywhere while the US has 1 or 2.

>>105839198
It's their problem, not mine

>>105834065 (OP)
the EU hates and cracks down on Big Tech because they won't give the EU access to their user data. Notice how everything they do is about transferring that intech to the EU bureaucrats.

>>105834065 (OP)

They were never the good guys you terminally online goober. Hopefully next years 250th birthday for America with a ufc fight on the White House lawn reminds you that

>>105839198
You're only thinking in 1 dimension (or the "American way" of thinking where only 2 political parties exist). There's a difference between right wing (economic) and right wing (social).
Most Europeans are economically left wing, sure. But a lot of EU is socially right wing nowadays because the EU was fucked by immigration over the past 10 years. So people are mainly looking for political parties which promote nationalism, traditionalism and isolationism which would all be considered "right wing".

>>105834065 (OP)
Meh, I find it silly that phones are mandated to be tappable, yet commercial internet chat/voice services are not. Same with phone (and devices in general) unlocking, I see no reason why companies shouldn't be mandated to have a way to unlock.

All of this matters very little to the security of their systems. Compared to the on by default backdoor of system updates it's hardly relevant. They have the ability to compromise 99% of their devices with a standard mechanism they use almost every day. Some mechanisms which they only access on court order can be far more secure than that.

For individual paranoid users some security assumptions will be compromised, for the system as used by the vast majority, security is almost unaffected as long as the manufacturers themselves hold the keys.

If you want real security DIY. Commercial consumer shit should be tappable.

there are fears of radical movements they didnt forget 90' bombings

>>105834065 (OP)
If it comes from the comission it actually came from big corpos. The comission fought to the bitter end to prevent the european parliament from having any power within the union but now the parliament can at least reject the comission's legislation proposals.

>>105835713
So the solution to the current problems in tech is giving more money to Google?

>>105841309
nope it comes from the memeber states cops working groups
and they dont have more support than that, but they are trying to make their own discourse the only one, which is absurdly biased

>>105836350
Interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

>>105841460
They are very upset we didn't get the "vaccine"

>>105834065 (OP)
I always wondered how EU members ended up with such governments trying to be Big Brother 2.0. But then I remembered there's an ongoíng initiative called "Stop Killing Games", and now I know why: EU citizens are the problem. They want their big nanny state shoved into everything not matter what.

>>105835062
>You have your right wingers that want to decrypt your data because muh drug dealers and your left wingers that want to decrypt your data because muh think of the children
Who exactly am I supposed to support here?

>>105834065 (OP)
And I want a million dollars.

>>105834065 (OP)
EU is kiked beyond recognition. There is no way back

>>105841837
its a proposal from the cops, not any political group

>>105834065 (OP)
Good thing I don't live in any country that is trapped in the so-called european "union".
Nor is my country in the jurisdiction of said locations. Ha!

>>105841889
cops are just middleware, tools, call them like you want.
Security is what modern tech corps use as smokescreen nowadays in order to gain more control through data. Data is the gold of the IXX century.
If cops were just used as what they were first intended, the level of any real criminal activity would be a lot lower than what we have right now.

>>105834065 (OP)
>I thought EU were the good guys
lmao
nobody but depressed scandinavians and dirt-poor eastern euros/americans actually think that

>>105840827
how does it feel to be a massive faggot

>>105840629
opposite actually
europe is socially progressive but economically conservative

>>105842770
nah in this context cops are on their own, i know for sure that the ones in my country propose shit that nor the goverment nor the tech corporations are in favour
and this looks like one of those shit

>>105836350
>>105836380
>Fake news
>look inside
>true news
First, they want methods to break access encrypted material.
Second, the want data retention, this is targeting VPN providers and means IP logging.
Third, they want lawful interception which means that they want to access peoples communication on E2E messaging apps.

>>105846824
so the council of cops approves the document of the working group of cops, eh? of course if the council of "home affairs experts" gets a document that only states the advantages of such control by also the cops it will get an initial support to it
these initiatives are always the same, all the documentation and discussion is really one sided until it gets into an stage in which can be discussed by more actors, in which their bullshit is called off

>DID YOU JUST ACCESS A WEBSITE VIA HTTP... S !?!?!?!
>OFF TO JAIL WITH YOU!

>>105834065 (OP)
Only in comparison to most other governments on the planet.
Power always corrupts and corrupt people always manage to gain power.
This exact shit has been stopped before within the EU, but they keep trying.

>>105835812
>Back to preddit with you.
If you have zero political understanding, maybe shut the fuck up when politics come up.
It is and always has been a hallmark of right-wing parties to try to govern right into the deepest depths of every person’s private life.

>>105848630
Is that why funding to the NSA increased under Obama? Fuck off tranny.

>>105848630
Is that why people in the UK get arrested for saying naughty things on social media? Those evil right wing parties? Better go dilate now.

>>105834065 (OP)
They were always the good goys.