Thread 105835047

What are the chances of landing an entry level software engineering job with just a CS degree and some projects but having no internships?

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>>105835054
Is this a shitpost or are you serious?

are you indian OP?

>>105835047 (OP)
Unironically change your degree to Electrical Engineering. I saw the shit hitting the fan and no one believed me 2 years ago. It's fucked for you.

>>105835047 (OP)
Basically a gamble. You have to get really specific to get a shot

>>105835073
EE's have higher unemployment rate. The only solution is nepotism. For us, it's to rise up

>>105835073
Any hope that the job market for CS graduates is going to get better?
>>105835092
College is already hard enough for me, so it's likely I won't be able to build projects while studying which would help me get internships, I was thinking of just creating projects on my own after graduating? Is this a good idea or should I still apply to internships even if I hsve zero coding experience and no projects to showcase?

>>105835047 (OP)
>>105835054
If you make it to an interview there are a lot of companies that hire based on if you "fit in the team". So if you're good looking and can do a good normies impression you have a chance.
Hard part is getting the interview though. You need some buzzwords in your résumé.
T. friend of someone who does hiring at their tech firm

>>105835060
not him but I am serious

>>105835314
>You need some buzzwords in your résumé.
nigger every job has "500+ applicants" after being online for 3 hours

there is a 100x oversupply of junior devs

>>105835047 (OP)
You're just like me for real, except I have a degree in Industrial Engineering and I only ever had sales internships.

>>105835047 (OP)
idk

>>105835047 (OP)
I had an internship and i been unemployed since i graduated with a CS degree in 2022, you want a job, work at walmart

It really depends on your GPA and your university's name. Also how good your university's job network is.

If it's not a school known for good tech workers, the you're kind of screwed. I had only gotten jobs in my career so far through my university's job site.

>>105835047 (OP)
What can you do really well?

>>105835131
How are you studying CS in College, and yet you have 0 coding experience?

>>105835047 (OP)
You need to get your foot in the door these days with a first job on your resume. The CS degree helps a bit, but there are shit tons of you guys. You need to apply to every job you can, and accept the best you can get, even if it's a shitty helljob. As long as the title is something like "software developer," and you can stay employeed there for at least a year, you're in and you may start your CS career. Otherwise go apply to McDonalds, because this career path isn't for you.

>>105840192
ChatGPT or copying code off some other students public GitHub. Some students in my college got their degrees and never coded because we had tons of group projects and they were good test takers. This was long before AI though, there’s always a way to fudge through college

>>105840303
>there’s always a way to fudge through college
If you fudge through college, in a CS degree, without ever writing a line of code yourself, why are you trying to enter the industry?

>>105835047 (OP)
Is this in the US and are you a citizen of the country? I am going to take a crack at the math.

>>105835131
>Is this a good idea or should I still apply to internships even if I hsve zero coding experience and no projects to showcase?
lmao

>>105835047 (OP)
The CS job market is fubar right now

>>105835047 (OP)
What kind of projects are we talking about? An MVC todo list isn't going to cut it anymore, it'll need to be something fairly complex and novel.
Get good at using AI dev tools. Understand when they work well, when they fail, and how to use them intelligently.

>>105835047 (OP)
Forget getting a job, learn n8n and start selling cheap automations to boomers.

>>105835047 (OP)
You’re going to have to apply to hundreds of places bare minimum and you’re not starting for anything more than 50-60k

>>105835092
>EE's have higher unemployment rate
wrong btw

>>105835047 (OP)
I'm in the same position and I can't get a job.

>>105835073
not op but i'm thinking about going this route and the maths kinda scare me a little, is the math really as hard as people say?

>>105840544
Yes, but I'm currently studying pure mathematics and it's been difficult for me. I'm not good at mathematical proofs.
My current cs equivalent degree is useless.

>>105835047 (OP)
Pic rel was my resume upon graduation, still took me about 6 months of applying to land a job, with 400~ applications sent out. Graduated mid October, hired end of March, although I was still sending out applications here and there during my last semester, didn’t realize at the time how bad it had gotten.

I’ve got a friend who has no internships or experience, he managed to get a temporary contract gig after like a year.

It's not as awful as jeets make it, but definitely not straight up cheating like it once was. CS should be doing what everyone else had to; DMing university connections on LinkedIn that are hiring managers/ask for connections to hiring managers.

3 sentences, I'm blah blah anon, I just graduated from retard state go tigers great season last year huh, interested in CS entry position doing xyz (bonus if you can link them an actual job posting here), any chance we could connect for 10 mins about it?

There, you just beat 490 of the 500 applicants, now you only have to be less autistic than 9 other people, it's not that hard in CS. You should be able to find an offer this way within 20 meetings i would estimate, maybe even multiple offers. You shouldn't be picky about the company either, just get employment, it's exponentially easier from there, even if you just config widgets 2 hours a day for 50k/yr.

>>105840544
>>105840698
People who struggle in math courses usually lack:
1. Algebra skills. People tend to look down on the term "algebra". But weaker students who struggle in proof-based calculus, analysis, and other courses literally can't do the necessary "algebraic manipulation". AOPS' prealgebra and intro to algebra books should be enough.
2. Problem-solving skills. This is something you train slowly by solving (attempting) many problems. Techniques (heuristics) as taught by books from Polya, Larson, Zeitz are only part of the equation. There is no shortcut.
3. Proof-writing skills. Again, people tend to look down on this. Many even say you should not read books that teach proof writing. Those people may not need this, but if you're struggling with real math courses, chances are you also lack proof writing knowledge and experience. Grind Hammack's Book of Proof. It's free and good.

Feel free to ignore the advice above. In most cases, if you keep doing problems, you will improve in those 3 aspects anyways. IF you don't give up and then stop giving a fuck. I was just suggesting a more systematic, and less painful approach.

>>105835047 (OP)
why didn't you get any internships?

>>105840330
This is literally what half of the Indians did that I worked with in college

>>105840303
But why? If you spent all your time at college weaseling out of doing any programming you will quickly be filtered by any software engineer job.

>>105844849
>Grind Hammack's Book of Proof
I do remember starting it a couple of months ago but I got pretty discouraged by the way all the knowledge related industries (AI and automation) have been behaving lately.
btw thank you very much for your advice, at least it sounds sincere compared to my classmates or teachers kek.

>>105845261
Huh? Just repeat the same thing in the job. Steal credits and code from other people. Are you a kid?

>>105845372
A good mindset to have: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/33656/whats-better-strategy-to-handle-tons-of-formulas-definitions/33987#33987

>>105845372
A smarter classmate told me you need to keep a notebook of your mistakes and review them regularly.
1. Buy a blank notebook.
2. Try solving a problem, say from homework.
3. Compare your solution to the standard solution given by the TA/prof/solution manual.
4. Identify your mistake/misunderstanding/gap of knowledge.
5. Write them down into the aforementioned notebook.
6. Use this note when you get stuck in future problems.
7. Review the notes regularly.
8. Rinse and repeat.

>>105835973
If you have nothing special going on you should have atleast networked instead.

Not OP but if I build some robots, would that be a good project?

I want to build a turret. Maybe experiment with some machine vision stuff. Not sure if that is corporate approved though.

>>105846237
Just do it. I can see how a nerf gun turret would be popular on youtube and reddit 10 years ago.

>>105846279
Uhh, yeah. Nerf gun.

>>105846237
how will building a robot help you get a job as a database engineer or something?
>>105846207
I've handed in my dissertation already, it's beyond over. Just waiting for the final public execution and it's all janitorial or fast food roles from there on out.

>>105835047 (OP)
Why would you hire someone with a CS degree when you can hire anyone at minimum wage to ask AI to do the coding. Stacey from accounts can just type in some shit to copilot and get the same results.