What made him think doing everything from scratch won't take that much of his time, money and effort as it did?

>>105836239 (OP)
Can't blame him but Odin in the meantime has been out for years getting refined. Not sure if Jai will be worth it by the time it's out compared to Odin.

>>105836239 (OP)
JAI SHRI RAM
that’s why

not really the problem
letting sokoban bloat to 1000+ levels that all need high-effort art passes is the real bottleneck and time sink.

Doesn't his language heavily rely on LLVM?
He's not doing everything from scratch.

Lazy bitch should start by designing his own processor.

>>105836388
>Doesn't his language heavily rely on LLVM?
He got rid of LLVM years ago at this point.

>>105836239 (OP)
>>105836383
Civilization will literally collapse if he doesn’t make a sokoban game from scratch in his custom programming language. He did an entire talk about this. Jon is almost as delusional as Terry Davis but more cringe. Terry actually semi-finished God’s operating system which is way more based imo.

>>105836474
>Civilization will literally collapse if he doesn’t make a sokoban game from scratch in his custom programming languag
stop making me accidentally defend jblow with your retarded strawmans.
The idea is about not losing important knowledge and skills.

>>105836485
What skills? Making time travel Mario and unity looking walking simulator?

>>105836502
how to write basic and core software yourself and not relying on layers of black boxes

>>105836502
Vmm the vvitness is kivo, and dare I say, vtterly favstian.

>>105836505
Most of the AAA industry still does this. Also the black box argument is stupid as the operating system (Windows) is literally closed source, GPU drivers also.

>>105836522
>Most of the AAA industry still does this.
most of the AAA are all converging on Unreal, and more and more in-house engines are being abandoned.
>operating system
he wants to make one, but is still in denial about enjoying game dev (he doesn't)

>>105836502
>>105836522
You're fucking stupid

>>105836505
how does that ensure not "losing important knowledge or skills"

i've listened to a jon blow talk and i came to the conclusion that he's a terminal midwit who is oblivious that he's not as smart as he thinks he is, and not everyone is actually dumber than him. he constantly overcomplicates processes by trying to insert his own input into it due to some form of OCD and narcissism, but fails to understand that his own input isn't actually all that important.

like his braid talk had him explain that he tried several retarded but "optimized" solutions how to do the time travel mechanic until he finally settled on the "dumb" way to do it, which actually worked (but he still didn't like it). at that point he should have had some sort of epiphany that actually doing things the easiest and fastest way is usually the best way, because the main limiting factor in any kind of software dev is time, and obsessing over minutia just makes you annoying to work with. and the reason people don't reinvent the wheel is not because they can't fathom how a wheel might work, but rather because we already have the wheel.

i feel like any decent programmer learns these lessons in their first couple of years. but lo and behold he did not learn that lesson and here we are, still watching him make some shitty indie game and probably trying to make some UI component script run better instead of leaving a comment like "this is bad code lol" like everyone else does. i think jon blow is like the embodiment of the "second year programmer syndrome" in many ways, always thinking he knows best because he simply doesn't know enough, except he's like 50 years old

>>105836239 (OP)
He's obviously mentally ill. Have some empathy.

>>105836527
Unreal engine is heavily modified to fit AAA usecase. no they are not using blueprints for everything like indie first video game. The oblivion remaster is a great example of this as they basically merged two engines together to remain faithful to the original.
>>105836529
Two more weeks until Sokoban and Jai, then I will eat my words.

>>105836556
you're ironically overcomplicating this.
All he's saying is programmers should know how to do core things, so they should write more core things themselves, and he's leading by example, that's it.
>he's a terminal midwi
this is correct

>>105836601
nta. Focusing on user experience and gameplay should be considered the “core thing” if you are making games. Everyone pretending otherwise is a pretentious larping fag like OP picrel. I regret being like this once and after overcoming this mindset I have finished two games (in Raylib).

why does /g/ have a hateboner on jon blow? is it jealousy? do you feel called out by him when he mentions the modern programming culture?

>>105836383
>letting sokoban bloat to 1000+ levels
This is what I don't get. Either those levels are very short 1 minute levels, which puts the game at about 9 hours, or if they are longer nobody will bother finishing them all. If each level is 5 minutes, 1000 levels are over 40 hours, I don't think most people are going to play a sokoban for 40 hours.

>>105836644
They got memed by editing into thinking a Black Man was laughing at him.

>>105836644
>why does /g/ have a hateboner on jon blow?
idk try reading the thread

>>105836672
There will be at least 10 floating cloud “puzzles” where you need to wait 3h IRL to get a star, like in Braid. And yes I know it fit the theme back then because “haha no time travel here” but he will pull this shit again in sokoblow.

>>105836442
thats not true. have been using jai for a while now and its still llvm based

>>105836714
i've read many and it just all seems to boil down to a salty jealousy with a mix of ignorance and dunning-kruger.

>>105836644
Johnathan fucking blowjob, the mastermind idolized by the retards from /dpt/. Him and Casey are two ridiculous clowns.

>>105836765
>dunning-kruger
A joke ""study"" that illiterate people like to misquote

>>105836765
maybe you arent very good at reading then

>"we only let people with a lot of low level experience who intend to use it for deep, meaningful programs into the Jai beta"
>lets this complete spaz hack trainwreck in because he fellated Fleury who then got him into contact with Blow to blow him as well

I bet Jon has a really tight butthole.

>Jon Blowrenicus

>>105836866
Randy is hilarious and should've stuck to making fun youtube videos instead of banging teenagers for $15/day in Thailand

>>105836866
meanwhile randy picrel
>btw buy my course for 99$. i have no idea what I am doing or have any credibility, but we will figure it out together like gamedev bros. isn't that cool?
>pls don't treat me like a lolcow in the comments. you are just jealous haters.
>i created this template thing that definitely NOT a game engine, GAME ENGINES ARE BAD remember
>i copy paste all my gui from across my codebase in 5000 loc files because this is the most maintainable way, trust me.
>i paid gabe newell 100 dollars to put a game (which is mostly made by others) on steam. this makes me a real game developer and you should listen to my advice.

>Weekly shitskin troon seethe thread
For those unaware, they seethe at JB for the same reason as RMS:
They are some of the few well-known software figures that refused to bend to globohomo.

Wait.. Jai is LLVM?

DROPPED

>>105836958
i was wondering why a russian fella would go and defend jonathan blow but i googled it and he does indeed defend russia's right to invade its neighbors in a very typical amerocentric tankie way. to think i couldnt imagine him getting more "midwit contrarian" than he already was

jai guru /dev/null

>>105836672
he's talked about on stream it being anywhere from 40 to hundreds of hours based on playtests, so i imagine the large majority will be optional

>>105836239 (OP)
but bro, how else will he have total control of every frame rendered in his goofy puzzle game?

>>105836556
you're doing exactly what you're accusing Jon Blow of doing

>>105837176
no you are

With hundreds of LLVM memelangs out there, why should I wait for Jai?

>>105836505
if this was to be lost, people would figure it out again.

>>105837217
No you don't understand, if the world doesn't respect my programming skills civilization will collapse

>>105836866
Yeah he's a meme. Meanwhile I've just switched to Odin for gamedev, I use rust for everything else.
>>105837209
Pretty good macros.

>>105836239 (OP)
Jonathan Blowjob
Jai Sri Ram

>>105836239 (OP)
Oh look a shit post with zero context making us find out who this fag is. Thanks.

>>105837069
kya aap isaka angrejee mein anuvaad kar sakate hain?
>>105837230
>my programming skills
You are a nocoder shitter.
No one will ever notice you or care what you think.

>>105836239 (OP)
So I looked at this Odin programming language. It's pointless. It doesn't fix any problem. Why would you want "Zig" when that already exists? Zig itself is just simple C. It doesn't let you write code fast, where in the end you know it's correct and fast, which is what you probably want in gaming. This rewrite from scratch is just a mental exercise for no practical reason.

>>105836388
>>105836442
>>105836751
>>105837039

nta but if iirc, Jai, at least for now, is indeed using LLVM just to get things up and running so he can actually work with it to test, use or debug it. Don't know what his beef with LLVM is but he decided a while ago to start co-developing the programming language with his own compiler backend. Right now its very limited but he hopes in the long run that it will continue to grow and improve so that one day it can replace his needs for LLVM.

>>105836239 (OP)
He seems to be this super opinionated, autistic control freak. Rather than use established tools and libraries, he would rather do everything from scratch. The Witness could have taken the standard development time for indie games but instead he decided to make his own game engine. Then he wanted to make a 3D sokoban game but decided to make his own data-oriented C++ replacement, his own graphics API and another game engine using his new language, and recently his own compiler backend.

Having tried Jai, it's good.

I just hope it sees the light of day and this sokoban shit doesn't put jon out of business.

>>105837409
lurk more, newfag

>>105836383
I honestly can't wait to play it, luv pushing blocks

>>105836557
Autism is not a mental illness.
Which is a bad thing as they don't give you benefits for it.

>>105836556
i've listened to you talk and i came to the conclusion that you're a terminal midwit who is oblivious that you're not as smart as you think you are, and not everyone is actually dumber than you. You constantly overcomplicates processes by trying to insert your own input into it due to some form of OCD and narcissism, but fail to understand that your own input isn't actually all that important.

>>105837961
Shut up faggot. The rules have been clear from the start and these ultra faggots keep breaking them by making guess with these shit posts. You are a faggot, new or not.

>>105836502
post your game

>>105836239 (OP)
None of you have accomplished what he has, yet here you are every thread proving that you are so much better because you know how to make fun of him.

I strongly believe the world would be a better place if all of you were dead.

>>105840194
If all of us were dead then this guy would be still be a nobody with pointless accomplishments. How would that fix anything?

>>105836556
>midwit
irrelevant (i'm old)

>>105836556
Do you think he blows?

>>105840166
No, this is an anonymous image board. I am anon >>105836636 with 2 small games which is probably more than the sum of everyone in /gedg/.

>>105840321
You attack his credibility when you have no counterargument to his ideas. He's objectively correct about the current state of software. Everything sucks now and you deserve the consequences for attacking anyone trying to change things.

>>105840664
>Everything sucks now
not any more than it always has

>>105840667
Loser mindset. It absolutely has gotten worse

>>105840679
How has it gotten worse?

>>105840194
>None of you have accomplished what he has, yet here you are every thread proving that you are so much better because you know how to make fun of him.

>I strongly believe the world would be a better place if all of you were dead.

>>105840664
Okay and what are his stupid ideas? Because it looks to me like he's doing it wrong.

>>105836672
>I hate it when video games have lots of content. Who needs all that? Just finish it and ship it.
Holy fuck I hate you people

>>105841539
I bet you play a lot of Ubisoft games.

>>105842047
Ubisoft games endlessly recycle low-quality content to inflate playtime. I can't believe you're conflating these things.

>>105836239 (OP)
He's a nepobaby so he can waste as much time as he wants. His father was some Military contractor or something.

>>105842277
I'm sure all 40 hours with 1000+ minigames of his will all be unique and high quality.

Fucking retard.

So what's wrong with LLVM?

>>105843034
Nothing.

>>105842446
If you doubt it, go try The Witness.

>>105842277
That’s my point, you retard.

>>105844151
Witness does not have 1000 puzzles. This is uncharted territory for Jon.