Thread 105860493

KDE devs have been going wild on https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277 and gist.github.com/probonopd/301319568a554abe7426c02eb5e19b5a telling users that KDE officially only supports Wayland and systemd

https://community.kde.org/Distributions/Packaging_Recommendations#Packages_to_avoid_installing
>Packages to avoid installing
>alternative X11 servers, like X11Libre. We only support Xorg's xserver, both for Xwayland and for the X11 session.

>>105860493 (OP)
why are trannies angry about xlibre again?

>>105860493 (OP)
>appimage doesnt work on ubuntu because they depend on the deprecated fuse 2
>kde dev makes fun of the appimage dev
appimage sisters, our response?

>Loonekud
hehe

>>105860511
it obsoletes gayland

>>105860537
but actually

like why are the literal trannies and fags angry about it
why is it a political issue at all
is this more code of conduct drama?

>>105860542
They want X to die because they have their claws in Wayland
A guy decided to singlehandedly keep maintaining X after X devs declared it EoL

its fascinating to watch the troon takeover of free software

>>105860493 (OP)
fucking christ, i knew something was up with those devs when they still can't even fix their main way of downloading icons, themes, etc.
any other DE's that are decent with gayman?

>>105860493 (OP)
kde devs btfoing xlibchuds

>>105860493 (OP)
Who cares? KDE is going to be dropping support for X.org and its alternatives in the long run anyway. Even the actual x.org is on life support.

>>105860582
is xhe right

is wayland actually any better?

>>105860626
>is wayland actually any better?
No. It's absolute dogshit

why do u neckbearded retards always fight against better software, X is garbage and always was there just wasnt anything better until wayland
systemd made linux actually usable for sysadmins and wayland made it usable for dev work, if you dont like this fuck off to bsd or something dont try to shit up my experience

>>105860582
>kde
>professionals
my fucking sides

>>105860493 (OP)
KDE devs can start talking shit about others when their shit stops Krashing

>>105860674
all the valve money made them think they are THE linux desktop making us look amateur

>>105860693
money unfortunately doesn't fix incompetence. KDE is trash, has always been trash, and always will be trash. at least it's better than GNOME but that's not setting the bar very high kek

>>105860708
gnome doesnt krash at least

>>105860736
well true. there also are much better DEs that also don't. xfce is great and while one of its devs has openly criticized Enrico on the freedesktop git before he was banned, at least they're not going to xlibre's repo to tell them "fuck off, we don't support you"
I've also heard good things about Cinnamon and MATE but I never tried those myself

now that wayland has won, how do we fix wayland?

It's funny, trannies literally destroy everything they're a part of

>>105860789
it's already complete

saving this

>>105860493 (OP)
very disappointing
i'll have to use xfce from now on

>>105860841
it's wrong
the 'compositor' on the x11 side can also be expanded into 4 different things that all connect to different apis that apps target. X11 is just as messy.

>>105860533
>empty github
>nothing on google except that gist
looks like just a troll

why are freetard devs all lolcows

Tired of arguing about compositors like it’s 2005? While you're still debating Wayland frame timing bugs or Xlibre’s hypothetical purity, Windows 11 just rendered your entire desktop stack in HDR, with per-window GPU scheduling, zero config, and full driver support out of the box.

No tearing, no flickering, no patching Weston to not suck. Just a display server that works—for gamers, developers, and 4K Excel enjoyers alike.

Meanwhile, back in /etc/xdg hell, you're writing shell scripts to fix fractional scaling.

Stop configuring. Start computing.

>>105860855
welcome home, White man

>>105860868
xhe said xhe deleted xhis account

>>105860890
i might experiment with others like mate, i3wm, fvwm, icewm, etc
>>105860905
xe keeps using "we" despite being a volunteer
i hope a higher-up at kde does some tard wrangling because this is just embarrassing behavior
perhaps valve ought to know what kind of project they're supporting?

>>105860905
xhe also made a typo in xhe's account. xhe probably wanted to name xheself Troonekud
>>105860922
>i might experiment with others like mate, i3wm, fvwm, icewm, etc
I don't have much experience with WMs desu. I've tried Hypr (the X version that vaxry stopped developing when he made Hyprland) and it was fine, but I tend to prefer full blown DEs

>>105860531
> migrated things
hopefully all future migrations are handled by llm's and faggots can go back to being unemployed

>>105860905
I mean it's probably a troll anyway. even if you google xir's name you'll only find an issue on the xlibre repo

New KDE in a nutshell.

>>105860922
Valve doesn't give a fuck about how much HRT the devs are on, they just want the software to work in their specific use case.

>>105860965
I wasn't far off with my Troonekud post kek

>>105860582
isn't the whole point of open sauce saarware that it's made by hackers instead of pros
if I wanted "professional" software I wouldn't be using fucking KDE lol

>>105860974
>use case
?

>>105860493 (OP)
what's up with no-coders being angry that paid devs don't want to deal with deprecated software?
redhat troons said they didn't care about xorg anymore, most adults agreed and moved on but it's armageddon-level of threat for no-coder chuds?????
can someone explain this to me?
just use xwayland and move on with your lives

>>105860997
The Steam Deck.

>>105860993
>isn't the whole point of open sauce saarware that it's made by hackers instead of pros
no it's that the sauce is open

Don't care. Still gonna goon to Konqi's fat dragon ass with my Xlibre setup.

>>105861010
calm down lil bro

>>105861010
there are no good DEs that support wayland yet. of course people are going to want to stay on X11 until that is taken care of

>>105861020
>The Steam Deck.
use case?

>>105861010
xhis
the death of xlibre will be its unmaintained graphics stack

>>105860493 (OP)
that's not a dev, that's a troll.

>>105861081
It won't matter because we will never have Wayland without xwayland.

>>105860493 (OP)
KDE with Wayland is actual garbage. I'm probably gonna switch off KDE soon because it's a buggy mess with Wayland.

>create a free and open source operating system
>trannies fuck it up because of some politics bullshit that shouldn't have a place in tech to begin with
Why are humans this stupid?

>>105860493 (OP)
>>105860581
>>105860582
>>105860608
Good. No one wants to support a Nazi bar like Xlibre. You guys want a DE? Make your own. No, XFCE and Cinnamon will not support you either.
>>105860531
Probono is such a fucking clown. Imagine giving him any kind of attention in 2025.
>>105860674
>>105860708
Cool. Make yourself a non-krashing DE for your precious Xlibre then. Leave us the fuck alone. We KDE devs want absolutely nothing to do with Xlibre.
>>105860855
Xfce and Cinnamon doesn't like you people either. They are migrating to Wayland soon. They will use labwc.
>>105860877
Go use proprietary spyware then. No one invited you to use "freetard" software. We would be extremely please if people like you fucked off from our community.
>>105860965
Yeah, I made that just to rile you up. I know that you fascist maggots are obsessed with trans people. Getting you to show your transphobia is exactly what I want. Let the world see the true colors of Xlibre supporters, the people who claim to welcome "everyone, including unicorns".

>>105861098
xwayland is basically just X11 with the wayland graphics stack
wayback builds on this a little further

>>105861147
b8

>>105861042
they can just contribute to their favorite wayland implementation instead

>>105860493 (OP)
Unironically lost respect for that Xaver guy. It's totally fine if they want to focus on wayland. That's their right. But instead of saying that or some kind of technical justification, he just slandered Enrico and basically called him crazy. It's very sad to see this devolve into some pointless culture war but I suppose Xlibre itself is at some fault for inviting because of the README wording.

>>105861147
>Make yourself a non-krashing DE for your precious Xlibre then
I don't need to, the perfect DE for it already exists. a fucking rat
>We KDE devs
hello Troonekud, and welcome to 4chan. here's your complementary rope and chair
>>105861168
oh, so having different gayland implementations is fine but having different x11 implementations is problematic? I see, I see...

>>105860493 (OP)
So where is the part where they block it?

>>105861181
>oh, so having different gayland implementations is fine but having different x11 implementations is problematic? I see, I see...
new implementation of deprecated specs is dumdum, wayland is growing fast even in embedded so...

>>105861181
XFCE dev here. We don't like Nazis either. Please leave us alone. We don't want to be associated with Xlibre. We will support X11 and Wayback.

>>105860493 (OP)
>krashes
>killed xerself
Kde was always tranny software

>>105861147
What do you mean? Transphobia is perfectly normal. Trump won thanks to people like you, please dont stop.

>>105861160
Shut up.

>>105861215
Heil Xue

>>105861215
>XFCE dev here. We don't like Nazis either

>>105861147
I agree with you. Wayland is shit. And shit is all linux users deserves.

This tranny janny does not represent the entire dev space and he can't stop me from installing it

>>105861217
>Trump won
No one cares about your political brainrot. KDE is not tied to American politics in any way. KDE doesn't tolerate transphobia and nazis. Stay on topic or shut the fuck up.

>>105860493 (OP)
>>105861147
>>105861215
at this point i'm convinced this is an elaborate samefag troll thread
what other reason would this "Loonekud" faggot have to come here? (see >>105861147 )
furthermore, this is probably all just to get a lunduke feature lmao

>>105861253
The person who added Xlibre to the avoid installing list is a well-known KDE dev. It was not Loonekud who made that change.

>>105861268
I don't care that tranny is serf and he can't make me not install it. He's a serf I don't give a fuck about his opinion

>>105861254
I'm using KDE on xlibre right now

>>105860493 (OP)
Loonekud
Loon ekud
Loon duke
Lunduke
it's lunduke doing this

>>105861284
unfathomably based

>>105861287
NOOOOOOOOOOOO... Who is lunduke though?

>>105861284
based. I'd do the same if the DE wasn't so shit (I'm running xlibre on xfce instead)

>>105861256
Guess the ol' lunkike is starved for content, huh?

>>105861230
>>105861239
>>105861256
https://matrix.to/#/#xapp_project:matrix.org
Here is the link to XApp project Matrix channel. It is made for Cinnamon, XFCE and MATE applications and developers of all those projects are a part of that group.

Anyone of you here can join this channel right now. It is open to everyone. Drop a message and ask them if Cinnamon, XFCE or MATE would he open to supporting Xlibre. Go do it if you babbling idiots *actually* care about any of this instead of just enjoying shitposting random nonsense.

>>105860582
>>105860965

The ones who are supposed to hate corporations the most are the ones who most fiercely defend them because they pay their bills and are their only "friends".
Always a pleasure to see.

>>105861316
I believe you missed the part where I don't give a flying fuck about the dev's approval for what software I can use on my machine or not

>>105861316
not your personal army

>>105861284
actually i just enjoy shitposting about xlibre drama
i don't really care if xfce supports it or not

>>105861316
no thanks, not interested in astroturfing like you
i'm sure they've already heard about it and will get around to addressing it eventually
why don't you tell them yourself how hecking fascist it is and not to support it?

>>105860649
>X is garbage and always was there just wasnt anything better until wayland
there's still nothing better, wayland is slower and sucks at games, well it's a new project, maybe after 20 more years they will make it work

why do these devs have so much free time to be crying about politics online and being mega autistic about whos using what software. get a job nigger

>>105861353
You, I don't even want to bother talking to anymore. You post little anime girls. You are a pedophile.
>>105861361
>>105861365
>astroturfing
What are you even about? It is a open channel and dropping a single message asking a question is not "astroturfing". I'm simply telling you that XFCE and Cinnamon will not support Xlibre either. Jesus, you Xlibre fucks are retarded.

>>105860708
KDE3 was good for power users despite having visual warts (no designers), but then they got Gnome envy and everything after sucks

>>105861394
lun duke demands you kiss him sorry faggot, its time to pucker up for your master

>>105861394
>You are a pedophile.
why the compliment all of a sudden? I thought you were supposed to be against me

>>105861394
You seem overly aggressive man, please seek professional help.

>>105860493 (OP)
>made by professionals
yikes. so you're not wanted unless you have a redhat email address. is this really what the free software and open source software movements intended? to just end up back in corporate control?
>>105860649
systems ran fine before systemd. i like systemd, but it's hardly a requirement for a sysadmin.,
>>105861156
if you combine wayback and xwayland, why not just use xlibre? at that point wayland is just an extra layer that isn't needed.
i'd never have guessed wayland(and friends) devs would be so easily baited into embarrassing themselves publicly. this is shameful. what a shitshow.

>>105861421
>but it's hardly a requirement for a sysadmin.,
kek

>>105860493 (OP)
>Personally waiting for the inevitable death of x11 and non-systemd
>gay faggot rainbow pfp
why is it every single fucking time with these troons, them, the pajeets, and the retarded wall street jews are what is killing the tech industry,

>>105861421
>why not just use xlibre
like i said, graphics stack
red hat and all the big corpos are not working on the x11 graphics stack anymore and basically everything is on wayland

>>105861388
because it's not a dev, it's a troll stirring the pot so that lunduke can cover it, it's likely lunduke himself
>>105861394
you're manufacturing a non-existent drama based on one dev's single line of text saying xlibre is unsupported, aka astroturfing
someone posting about xlibre in that channel just for you to swoop in and start arguing would feed into that

>>105860542
>why is it a political issue at all
Because they control X11 and wayland, so this guy forking X and them losing the control over it meant that guy has become officially a pariah and enemy number one, so everyone went fully kahoots against him for daring combat their decisions.
As always, it's not about anything other than them wanting to have control over everything and everyone.
And for God's fucking sake, that a literal fucking pedophile that raped his 12yo sister for over a thousand times, has the galls to call someone a fucking nazi is from a level of mental illness never seen to humankind, but hey, at least canonical has his back, because being a child rapist is not a henious enough crime to not be hired, meanwhile if he said the voldemort word he would have been reported to the police, fbi, interpol, nsa and whoever else they needed to.

>>105861386
they won't. it's fundamentally shit. literally, it's so shit, that any person with more than one functional brain cell can know it's made by a retard or as intentional boycott

>>105861433
I personally pretty much prefer daemontools based init-systems

>>105861441
the wiki page is real and was added by the kwin dev. They really dont support xlibre.

>>105861441
Wtf I love lunduke even more now

>>105861156
>wayback builds on this a little further
what can it do that you couldn't do with Xfree? what have they accomplished in 20 years?

>>105861394
Kill yourself, nocoder potstirring faggot.

>>105861440
so they haven't touched the x source code in years. what graphics stack features does wayland have that x doesn't? it seems like x has been going fine without work, but maybe there are things i don't know?

>>105861175
>he just slandered Enrico and basically called him crazy.
you know a project is good when the only way to make it succeed is making sure nobody keeps maintaining the project they are trying to replace

>>105861460
yes, that one line of text is real
everything else including this thread and everything posted by "Loonekud" is not

>>105861465
>what graphics stack features does wayland have that x doesn't?
HDR, that's pretty much it. everything else that gayland does, X also does but better

I feel like the amount of bait posting on /g/ has grown to a point where everyones baiting eachother and nobody really believes anything they're saying. or you're all just bots

>>105861462
>>105861465
the bigger concern is that as new features accumulate X will be left behind
of course feel free to use on your hardware if it works

>>105861441
>you're manufacturing a non-existent drama based on one dev's single line of text saying xlibre is unsupported
Except you're literally fucking wrong. A prominent KDE dev made a change to the official KDE community wiki informing everyone that KDE does not support Xlibre. A change in an official wiki by a KDE dev = a statement from KDE itself. That is how it works. Did you expect every KDE developer and contributor ever to come forth and inform you on his/her personal opinions on Xlibre? That's not gonna happen. And I'm supposed to be the troll? Get real.

>>105861460
>They really dont support xlibre.
"don't support" here literally just means "install it if you want, it'll probably work, but if you run into issues you're on your own"

>>105861421
>systems ran fine before systemd. i like systemd, but it's hardly a requirement for a sysadmin.,
Void Linux works great, i didn't migrate just cause i wasn't 100% happy with the package manager and the rolling updates

>>105861481
fair point. i don't have a need for hdr so i forgot it. any clue on what it would take to add hdr to x? i think wayland only got it because redhat funded the hdr dev

>>105861492
He is not just prominent, he is basically one of the two people who have been maintaining kwin the past decade

>>105861440
>big corpos are not working on the x11 graphics stack anymore and basically everything is on wayland
so is it true that they have to write different code to support kde and gnome now?

>>105861495
no, that's the packaging instructions. Not supported = make plasma not work with it. That page is aimed at package maintainers.

>>105861495
By that logic you can also install Xlibre on every distribution. Go build Xlibre from source and install it on Alpine to score a "gotcha" on Ariadne.

>>105861492
you are not a dev
you will never be a dev
trolling outside of /b/ is against the rules
>>>/global/rules/3

>>105861526
the 4chan rules police have arrived! everyone scatter!

>>105861501
neither do I, one of my monitors can do HDR but I've never used it even on Windows
also probably wouldn't take much. from what I've seen on the xlibre discussions/issues when I was still browsing them, it wouldn't even break compatibility with anything, and they're planning on implementing it
>>105861520
well yes, you can kek. still, I'm not gonna stop using Artix just to "own" some random troon I've never heard about before. xhe doesn't live rent-free in my head, if xhe wants to act like a retarded child, it's xhe's choice

>>105861489
>the bigger concern is that as new features accumulate X will be left behind
it's been 20 years and it hasn't been left behind so far, maybe it will happen in the next 20 years

>>105861555
2 more weeks

>>105860493 (OP)
I don't really have a horse in the race and have had shit loads of issues getting Xorg to work on various linux and unix systems but I know for a fact that there's software people complain about and software people don't use.
>https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/#
>Wayland does not currently allow controlling window position. This means that when you open KiCad, it can not remember where you last placed your windows.
Seems like a pretty big deal to me

>>105861526
I am a KDE dev. I don't care if you don't believe me and if that makes you mad. The mere mention of Xlibre on KDE's Matrix channels gets people reacting with the laughing emoji. Read the room. Xlibre is a joke in our community and you are trying to seriously argue that KDE will be compatible with Xlibre somehow.

>>105861386
>wayland is slower and sucks at games
how, to who, what the fuck are you using that this is the case? ive been running nvidia + wayland for the past 3 months and have zero issues playing games even modern AAA

>>105861421
>>105861458
then you dont do any serious sysadmin work, systemd is the greatest thing to ever happen to linux but fags who spend all day writing toy programs in C wont stop grumbling about it even though it doesnt affect them

>>105860531
>tranny colors
>KDE dev
every time

>>105861578
mate still exists. i can see the possibility of a kde fork.

>>105861567
>>https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/#
>>Wayland does not currently allow controlling window position. This means that when you open KiCad, it can not remember where you last placed your windows.
>Seems like a pretty big deal to me
well, it's a young project, give them a couple more decades and this should be solved

>>105861595
I was a sysadmin for over a decade prior to systemd. It was no big deal.

>>105861147
xlibre is doomed to fail but it highlights the problem of redhat controlling linux. long term people should start working on something established like arcan.
>muh nazi bar
redditors and get the rope, i am tired of hearing this analogy. i will gladly work with "white supremacists" to deal with demonic chabad "people".
>>105861217
>muh based chabad pedophile
kys
>>105861215
>We don't want to be associated with Xlibre.
understandable, but what about arcan? iirc it's an actual mature project and not a spur of the moment political fork.
>>105861175
agreed, if he stayed more professional about xibre (and maybe tried to coordinate with other desktop environment devs) he would have had more success.

>>105860493 (OP)
>Loonekud
>completely new random account
Yeah, i am sure this is an official representative of KDE and totally not a false flagging idiot.

>>105861582
>how, to who, what the fuck are you using that this is the case? ive been running nvidia + wayland for the past 3 months and have zero issues playing games even modern AAA
i didn't say games don't work, just that they are going to run 10-20% slower compared with xorg, but if you have a decent computer it should be fine

>>105861509
>>105861555
fwiw the only reason that X even works on modern hardware is because of the kms driver, and the mesa people are not really keeping X compat in mind anymore

>>105861578
>a KDE dev.
Fuck the nocoders ITT.
Now that wayland officially supports background effects
https://lore.freedesktop.org/wayland-devel/plU5smxin5VXbiedTGtL7CNHe0t2mHtgQlQ3-xwREmSSNYaClAcZpEBV8L7JvMT8JHwdD_a_uSFkDUaP45CAWyL545iZh5gInAdToX6hgt4=@emersion.fr/T/#u
Will KDE drop their old KWin hack for background blur and support it all across the board? Are you guys aware of this update?

>>105861629
>kms driver
good driver name

>>105861612
and a decade ago people were still using jquery regularly things change systems get more complex and have more requirements
the days of launching nginx and going back to sipping your coffee are over

>>105861578
>>105861630
nocoding samefag troll
doesn't matter how much you pretend you're a "volunteer", or a kde spokesman
you will never be a dev

>>105861655
Like I said, systemd has minimal effect on people around me doing system admin work. Containers were a much more significant development.

>>105861624
>run 10-20% slower
i did not experience this whatsoever, maybe this is the case with older hardware but im not poor

>>105861670
what do you think runs inside a container? systemd, thats how your services are all getting orchestrated inside the container and it would be a complete pain in the ass if that wasnt the case, even with containers

>>105861578
You are not welcome here. Take you and your *Krashes* to your little Matrix echo chamber.

>>105861548
he gave you a link to a channel where you can talk to actual devs and you cried about that too. i was with you at first but nah you are the troll.

>>105860511

the guy who made it says DEI fucking sucks and he's made a lot of broken merges like my boss does and people don't want him to merge shit

I asked chatgpt to summarize this but I started arguing with it about trannies and jews, then later I convinced it that sentient AI is possible

I think KDE should hurry up and simply remove the X11 backend.
Actually more importantly they should rewrite the entire KDE stack, preferably with Rust because it's so buggy.

>>105861691
>what do you think runs inside a container? systemd
the most used distro by professionals inside docker is Alpine Linux and uses OpenRC, not Systemd

> i only want to talk on 4chan!!
> hey kde dev here, whatcha wanna tal--
> nooooooo you are not the real dev, youre just not
> uhhh k you can talk to me and other devs here on this link--
> NOOOOOOOOOO FUCK YOU IM NOT GONNA ASTROTURF I WANNA TALK TO DEV ON 4CHAN

>>105861705
I just said I didn't give a fuck what devs thought about me using their software with xlibre or not. if that's trolling to you, you're not very bright I'm afraid

>>105861726
Lmao

>>105861713
>preferably with Rust
this 100%
please keep shooting yourselves in the foot, kde
all kde users need to come home to picrel

>>105860493 (OP)
>Loonekud
you are aware that KDE devlopers are public and that it is super obvious when you make a fake account to LARP as one?

>>105861726
For real. Now he's saying he doesn't care what the developers think, he will just install Xlibre on KDE anyway even though we don't support it. Either he is a very dedicated troll or he is a 12 year old.

>>105861726
1 RHEL crédit has been transferred to your account sir

>>105861741
Are there any xfeces users that are not third worlders or poorfags? Anyways, I hope xfeces moves to wayland quicker, as slow and dead they are.

>muh xfeces will save me
i would not trust that
xfeces is at the mercy of gnome
it is just another downstream gtk slave
unless gtk3 gets forked by non-retarded people i would not put faith in xfeces
just warning y'all

>>105860859
Seem seems to me the problem is actually these “desktop” systems/projects.

I hardly use the desktops on osx, windows, or ubuntu. And neither do you.

>>105861726
>>105861747
>>105861753
>>105861767
keep astroturfing
keep not coding
not like kde is getting any krashier... oh wait... LOL

>>105861779
>astroturfing
I come here only to make cniles and xtrannies seethe.

>>105861156
Wayland was built the other way around, with Weston running as an X window. It’s funny that they’re trying to tell us the other way around now.

>>105860493 (OP)
Send this to lunduke

>>105861790
>cniles

Serious question, no console warring faggots allowed. What is Xlibre going to do when applications start becoming Wayland only? Are they going to fork every application too?
inb4
>t-that just won't happen!!
Most of the common application are already Wayland native by default including apps like Firefox and LibreOffice. May not happen anytime soon, maybe not even in the next 10 years but eventually applications will stop supporting X11 entirely.

>>105861726
kek, this

>>105861828
>maybe not even in the next 10 years but eventually applications will stop supporting X11 entirely.
two more weeks!

>>105861828
fuck if i know
i just wanna shitpost about xlibre because its fun
i dont even use it
i use hyprland

>>105861828
>>105861838
Waydroid is the only way to play Android games on GNU/Linux, and it only supports Wayland.
It's already happened.

>>105861795
well it's more about where the majority of devs are
doesn't matter what you think ought to be if there's not as many people writing code for it
>>105861828
i'm sure we will get a wayland-on-x compat layer, i think there was a project that does this already

>>105861821
Seems like its working too

>>105861828
Like I just said, FF and LO can run in the Weston or WaylandX add-on.

>>105861838
>>105861842
>say no console warring faggots allowed
>two console warring faggots immediately show up
For fuck's sake...Nevermind then. Xlibre is literally joke then on /g/.
>>105861849
True.
>>105861858
>wayland-on-x compat layer
>there was a project that does this already
Really? Got a link? Guess I will just search on the Xlibre repo though.

>>105861828
>What is Xlibre going to do when applications start becoming Wayland only?
look up "12to11". it's like xwayland but the other way around
>>105861849
you can run waydroid on x11. see above or run it with weston inside x11. also
>playing Android games on GNU/Linux
just use your phone kek

>>105860841
Is it possible to remove XWayland by reeimplementing XLib on top of libwayland?
Like instead of the X client talking to XWayland trough standard xlib, we dynamically link it to xlib-wl.so, and the library translates X11 calls to wayland protocol. Would this work?
It wouldnt work for statically linked applications where the source isnt avaiable like some proprietary games but who cares

What's with all the samefagging in this thread man

>>105861858
> wayland-on-x compat
You know, they're going to try and make that impossible, right? Make nesting impossible, basically.
This will be a hell of a trick because it’s going to need to be against basic software design principles.
I’m thinking, from ubuntu (secure) boot, through systemd, to wayland, clients will have to be signed or something once they get enough leverage.

All this useless drama is always going on the background. What do I do, then, you may ask? Well I just fucking use their software, free of charge, not following any drama.

>>105861928
well then by that point there's no difference from macos or windows so the point is moot anyways

>>105861937
The drama is good, the only reason to use Linux is all the drama since at least 41% of the devs are mentally ill troons and the rest are just old fashion mentally ill.

>>105861898
> reeimplementing XLib on top of libwayland
That’s just X again, using a weird and slow “compositor” so you can have gradient shaded buttons and transparent windows.
The *point* of Xwayland is they are going to kill it eventually.

>>105861618
I don't think it's "doomed to fail". Maintaining backwards compatibility is trivial. Most of the newer features that could be added to xlibre (HDR, etc.) don't really need any DE. Just any random application could choose to use the new extension or whatever they add. But I agree he should have been more professional in the README.

>>105861955
I really don't care about drama, but it's not my problem if you do, anon. I kinda wish I did, I'd be entertained then.

>>105861940
Exactly. Canonical/redhat (IBM) is going down that path, as predicted, thus completing the circle.
This is due to pressure from IP holders so Linux can play DRM content by paying for it.

>>105862016
And kde apparently

>>105860493 (OP)
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all me btw

>>105860531
no response
appimage is a joke now and probono is a retarded boomer
oh its true
its damn true

>>105862089
>can't fromat
Doubt you know how to post

>>105862105
quoting more than 5 posts spam filters you

Kde devs are more annoying than gnome ones

that valve money really went to their heads

Kek several years ago it freetard programs could barely lift off due to logos deciding now freetard programs crash and burn due to literal tranny infighting and mental illness

>>105862183
it's a gnomie false flag

>>105862325
>Kwin dev edits wiki to tell you to off yourself if you use xlibre
>"Guys it's gnomies"

>x trannies literally getting slaughtered just like the systemd haters did
You love to see it. Keep seething like a bunch of retarded cucks.

>>105862630
xlibre can still be adopted by the BSDs and Illumos...

>>105861595
dunno about that. I use daemontools because I prefer it. No hard feelings for systemd, it's better than sysv at least

>>105862714
>A total of 10 people will use it

>>105861726
fucking lmao

>>105862714
Why would they? The retard who runs it can't code and is clearly mentally unwell, moreso than some of the most extreme trannies.

>>105860493 (OP)
yet another reason to not use kde

>>105861670
Bait or literally an incompetent shitter with a dumpster fire server.
No one can tell me systemd didn't make server admin a 1000x better. You're literally lying if you claim so.

>>105862809
So?

>>105862714
BSDs only purpose is to live on a server farm anyone using this shit for daily driving is mentally unwell

weird how fans of systemd and wayland always seem so sadistic

>>105860922
icewm is excellent

>>105863006
I actually have no problem with systemd fans. It's just the wayland advocates that are usually the deranged ones.

>>105860493 (OP)
>not supported
but they do support it, QT is Display server agnostic see: https://doc.qt.io/qt-6/qpa.html

>>105863069
because if it wasnt for X fags that have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the future we would be living in a utopian post scarcity society right now with all our user interfaces being composited by wayland

>>105861618
People want X because they expect certain features out of it, Arcan has the same feature parity as Wayand meaning it lacks the same features as Wayland not a replacement for Xorg

I don't have much of a technical dog in this fight, I don't program and I just use muh linux desktop. I know very little about desktop internals.

But I will say this xlibre fork has kicked up one of the biggest hornets nests I've ever seen in 15 years of using Linux. Its insane how angry so fucking many people are over the fact that someone forked fucking Xorg.

It looks like there is a big time split coming in Linux, or at least desktop linux. On one side you basically have this maggot filled troon infestation, who all use gnome, systemd, and wayland. What a coincidence that those technologies are now simply becoming more and more inseparable.

On the other side you increasingly have people and distros that have taken more and more of a hardline "no fucking troons" stance, wether its pretty milquetoast shit like "we dont discuss politics here" or "yeah we're nazis, heil hitler nigga".

The troonware side has the advantage of corporate backing. Red Hat, Canonical, etc employ these people and won't fire them even for pedophilia.

The chud side has the advantage of people that aren't wacked out on estrogenic drug cocktails and sissy hypno.

Time will tell what wins, personally I am betting on Artix being a top distro in 5 years, simply because this troon-trend is dying fast and people are REALLY FUCKING SICK OF THIS SHIT and absolutely will ditch software that enables them. Most of the troons in FOSS though are too dense, narcissistic, and checked out to have gotten the memo that they're being flushed.

I just hope the enablers are marked and have to carry that the rest of their lives, they shouldnt be given a free pass when things change.

>>105863167
buddy take your meds, you dont know what the fuck youre talking about, people are upset because X is dogshit and shouldve been taken out back forever ago
the problem with doing things like this, intentionally deciding to split the community, is that it makes EVERYTHING fucking worse for everybody as people start duplicating effort instead of collaborating on the one thing that most people are using consider good or good enough
also nazis are incompetent fucking retards, nothing they do ever works in the end so good luck with your 5 user heil hitler nigga distro that you have to fix every 3 days because someone broke the bespoke compositor and init system with a retarded commit that they refuse to revert, all that for what?

>>105861147
>Jeremy is not having it

>>105863238
hi emmanuele

>>105863238
wayland has split the community stop gaslighting

also why are you people so agry? its just a shizo make a fork get over it

>>105860493 (OP)
And trolltech-sponsored lunduke is silent as always when krashde devs are being unhinged

>>105861442
This, plus they're faggots

>>105861442
FYI it was his 9yo sister

>>105863070
Kde doesn't develop qt
Trolltech does
Kde can make their libraries stop working on x11

>>105863262
gnome can fuck itself
>>105863264
wayland didnt split the community it migrated it, and people were and still are using xorg just fine this whole time, if it split the community they wouldnt even bother with xwayland
the stupid move is after investing all this time in wayland, after deciding to deprecate xorg, to then create a fork of it.. why exactly? to split the community. only a retard would see what was happening in the compositor space over the years and decide yea actually no we should just dump all this work we did into making something that was better than the dogturd we were forced to use just so we can revive the dogturd and polish it up a bit and give a goofy ass reason for developers to start having to support two compositors again

>>105863294
why would they do that if not for a political stand?
qt apps work fine on Arcan being this another Display Server that competes with Wayland and Xorg

>>105863167
>Time will tell what wins
Yeah I wonder who would win between
>side that does all the work and is full of experienced developers
>side that didn't know ^ was bitwise

>>105863314
you suffer from the sunken lost fallacy, get over it Wayland is shit and all their workarounds will never make your toy window manager be able to compete against windows and apple

>>105863317
This whole thread is about KDE officially declaring xlibre as not recommended to their package maintainers retard https://community.kde.org/Distributions/Packaging_Recommendations#Packages_to_avoid_installing
KDE is a political project exactly like gnome but people hate gnome more and never talk about the deranged kde devs

>>105863331
the sunk cost fallacy is REVIVING X YOU DUMB NIGGER

>>105863331
just werks

>>105863342
relax you seem stressed by the fact that someone is doing some forkerinos.

We want Xorg to continue like vim users want their old vim and not neovim, os wahts your problem? let us have our software as it is and not declare things "dead" or "splitting the community" or "we will sabotage you". I dont care about Redhat headquarters want.

>>105863339
Yeah, because it eats more memory

>>105863294
I'm not sure how many of KDE libraries use X11 instead of just via QT. Probably not many. It's hypothetically possible I guess. But probably not likely anytime soon until they remove the X11 session from KDE completely.

people actually shilling xlibre are niggers

>>105863314
They both suck. Wayland is older than X11 was when Wayland was first created, and they both still suck ass. There is no telling if fixing X11 is worse than trying to fix Wayland because the core problem is the development culture that was X11 and is now Wayland.

>>105860511
troons are supporting xlibre because they don't have anything better to do

>>105863391
why does wayland suck? werks for me. maybe you're a troon.

>>105863167
Developers are justifiably upset toward entitled vitriolic retards demanding free work on their personal forks of software.

>>105863402
It's slow, a massive VRAM hog, and doesn't support basic features.
Thankfully, I don't have to use either.

>>105863391
newsflash all compositors suck ass, wayland sucks the least ass
nobody will ever make a compositor that you or anyone on here or anywhere on the internet will think is good
>>105863402
this but unironically, i never hear any good reasons wayland sucks, and using old hardware is not a valid reason in my eyes

>>105863379
>It's hypothetically possible
Anon, it takes 1 call to detect what display server is running and 1 call to exit

>>105863413
>It's slow, a massive VRAM hog, and doesn't support basic features.
these are fucking retarded assertions, there's actually no point in refuting them because you've provided no evidence
hitchen's law.

>>105863415
MacOS and Windows handle composition just fine

>>105861147
>you people
And you wonder why no one likes troons

>>105863402
> why does wayland suck? werks for me.
Spoken like a true nocoder

>>105860493 (OP)
This is the guy that BTFOed xlibre, say something nice https://invent.kde.org/zamundaaa

>>105863435
wayland does just werk though. i don't code for it so in that sense i'm a nocoder, however i can write code (and do so professionally for my work).

>>105863238
>buddy take your meds
He's an expert on meds, especially the hormone alteration kind

>>105863342
It’s not “reviving” X it’s just continuing it’s dominance. Nothing has changed.

>>105860511
>why are trannies angry

>>105863446
the fact that ive never had to look at a config file relating to my compositor while using wayland is enough justification to completely kill any talk of xorg anywhere
it truly just werks

>>105863370
>b-b-b-but
>NAZIS!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>105863446
> just werks
> i don't code for it so in that sense i'm a nocoder
Opinion discarded. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.

>>105863472
nocoders should be banned from using Linux.

So, this whole thread was because someone decided to clarify something that's been known for years?

>>105863489
ive been coding in rhel for 5 years professionally, i dont need to code against the compositor to tell you that xorg was a piece of shit to use, programs have end users you should be mindful of them

>>105863472
this
>>105863489
>>105863476
why are you malding, troon

>>105863492
It's not about xserver but xlibre. Kde devs said xorg is okay but xlibre is not

>>105863522
> ive been coding in rhel
IBM shill detected
> i dont need to code against the compositor
You do! Then you will see the load of total garbage Wayland really is.
The interface is so bad it has to be sabotage.

>>105863552
They said that the only X implementation they officially support is X.org.
This isn't a new thing.

>>105863288
>>105861442
Proof for that? Doubt anyone would get hired with that kind of reputation

>>105860531
hes sensible https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/issues/1120

>>105863560
>You do!
no i dont, you functional moron, ive never had to code against the winapi but i can still tell you its a piece of shit because of how much ive had to use windows in the past and ive seen what desktop apps do with it
i have had countless problems with applications that ran on x before wayland existed, that just doesnt happen anymore on stuff that supports wayland natively

what does this tell me? wayland is better than x, proof is in the output. i genuinely dont give a fuck if you think the interface is bad because it seems like people are managing just fine and making stuff that isnt horribly broken because your setup isnt just quite right

>>105863580
Bro, there has been posted in this thread his sexual predator page in the florida police site.

>>105863580
His official conviction is sexual battery of a child under 12
https://wng.org/articles/the-high-cost-of-negligence-1617309216
https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/flyer.jsf?personId=85068

>>105863602
> proof is in the output
Indeed. And the output is that Wayland can only be used properly with Gtk or Qt.
It makes it extremely hard to develop against if you don't use IBM approved technology.
It's the most obvious a power grab.

>>105863417
Hypothetical as in them actually doing it. I wasn't talking about the feasibility of it. Obviously it would be fairly simple code

>>105860511
Because they want to exert control even if it means doing it for free

>>105860493 (OP)
These are the people that are going make normies choose windows 11 over an alternative

>>105860531
Appimage is genuinely a joke. They still rely on native library yet they don't ship with one.
At least flatpak just works despite the bloat.

>>105863639
>Gtk or Qt
wow the two most common and ubiquitous GUI frameworks on earth? what a horror story that they would focus their efforts on interoperability with 99% of desktop linux apps
get a job man

>>105863674
Nobody is choosing to be assraped by Microsoft just because some developers openly disagree on something sometimes.

>>105863576
Which is a retarded take since the entire point of X is that it's a standardized protocol and should be implementation agnostic.

>>105863725
To be fair, if xlibre adds some new feature relevant to the window manager, then kwin-x11 presumably wouldn't accept patches for it. So the statement still has meaning in that sense.

>>105863674
normies chose windows because it works, they don't care about the mentally ill dev drama

>>105863694
They are causing immense problems already.
Not only are both totally shit libraries. They are part of the reason the Linux desktop never became mainstream.
Because of permanent incompatible version upgrades and pointless churn many hobbyist projects can't keep up.
The result is the dominance of IBM (and Microsoft) controlled software.

>>105861741
im currently distro hopping, is this an actual good de or nah? i use nvidia btw

>>105863725
It might work or it might not, but don't come to them asking for a fix if it doesn't.

Also
>Please note that KDE does not support OpenBSD as a target operating system.

>>105863135

https://arcan-fe.com/2018/10/17/arcan-versus-xorg-approaching-feature-parity/

https://arcan-fe.com/2020/12/03/arcan-versus-xorg-feature-parity-and-beyond/

took literally 4 seconds to find.

>>105863792
sure sure feel free to tell me how a client can position them self on a window or basic shit like this.

we just need 1 schizo gigachad to accidentally run them over with a truck after their developer conference. it's in the eurocuck continent so you'll probably get 2 years max, probably even less if you're brown

>>105863860
That sounds like a huge security risk.

>>105863860
i only let clients position themselves on my windows if theyre covered oil and wearing lingerie

>>105860581
FVWM3.

>>105863707
I think some people legitimately do feel overwhelmed by the choices but their inability to just install Ubuntu means they deserve to suffer Windows.

Oh nonononono
I thought KDE was supposed to support the good guys unlike GNOME?!!
Xlibre BROS what the heck is this??!!

>>105864176
>Xlibre BROS what the heck is this??!!
we do not care, most of us are on xfce

>>105864176
> I thought KDE was supposed to support the good guys unlike GNOME?!!
KDE took part in the cancelling of Richard Stallman.
Also it has telemetry built in.
This should tell you everything.

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/wiki/Are-We-XLibre-Yet%3F#support-for-x11

>279 posts
...

>>105863860

Literally a demo of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39ob0IO2Za0&t=130s

quick grep:

https://github.com/letoram/arcan/blob/master/src/shmif/arcan_shmif_event.h#L1611

struct arcan_event repos = {
.kind = ARCAN_EVENT(VIEWPORT),
.parent = window1.segment_token,
.x = 100,
.y = 100
};

arcan_shmif_enqueue(&window2, &repos);

>>105864200
>telemetry
source????

linux belongs on servers, if you're using it as your desktop computing platform you deserve having to deal with these transsexual schizophrenics
wouldn't want to be you, just saying

>>105863618
>>105863626
That's crazy. So as long as you do the million essays they want you to do, you can get employed by Canonical. Duly noted.

>>105864257
https://community.kde.org/Policies/Telemetry_Policy

>>105860493 (OP)
Linux is a pedo bar.
>>105860511
>>105860568
Honestly the chuds and autists who support Xlibre are way too soft and good faith. Trannies take over things because they're freaks that will say anything to win. Xlibre will need to resort to Guerrilla warfare tactics if it's going to survive.
Anyone who watches Lunduke gets an honorary "Fell for it Again" award. If only Lunduke and Metux kept quiet and where more ambitious they could have made a new FDO and become their own Redhat.
>>105861741
Recently I reformatted my system to devuan and decided to give XFCE a try. Great choice, I just don't like GTK3.
>>105860531
Appimage W

>>105864595
>Honestly the chuds and autists who support Xlibre are way too soft and good faith. Trannies take over things because they're freaks that will say anything to win. Xlibre will need to resort to Guerrilla warfare tactics if it's going to survive.
Yes. This is true for other branches of politics as well. Normal people are too soft. Evil monsters WILL take over shit because they're militant.

>>105862118
Skill issue.

>>105864225
i have arcan installed i can compile the code if you put it in full, i hope you not posting LLM hallucinations :)

>>105864506
>As privacy is of utmost importance to us, the general rule of thumb is to err on the side of caution here. Privacy always trumps any need for telemetry data, no matter how legitimate.
>telemetry is always opt-in
thats a very good stance

>>105864944
wow, OP is busy lying for 8 hours now, trying to claim that KDE is "just as bad" as the subhuman child rapists from Gnomr.... and whatever he does, just makes KDE look good whenever you look into it.

has anyone done a gaming performance comparison on wayland kwin/mutter/hyprland, vs an xorg window manager? Composited vs non-composited?

>>105863763
give it a go
>>105864595
>Great choice, I just don't like GTK3.
if you haven't already, try this
https://github.com/lah7/gtk3-classic
it makes gtk3 more tolerable

>>105862118
The stop spamming, you braindead cretin.

>>105865040
X wins by default because Wayland can't be non-composited.
>>105865050
I've found that using the Breeze theme for GTK3 and Qt apps for everything else makes the GTK3 elements feel like a panel UI. It's mainly adwaita that I hate, the first time I saw a GTK3 app I thought my system was broken it's that bad.
https://github.com/stefan11111/gtk3-to-gtk2/tree/new-new
I'm also looking forward to this being mature enough to use.

>>105865104
Ok so forgive me, a compositor will *almost* always be a bit slower than a non-composited window manager? In terms of say FPS?

If thats the case, do we know what the fastest or most direct X window managers are?

>>105864766

It was just sampled from src/tests/popup.

>>105865104
>Wayland can't be non-composited.
But it can be direct-scanned with tearing turned on, so it works out the same.

It's been two decades, can't they just make Wayland work already? My applications need global hotkeys. How am I meant to use Mouse injector through Wine on Wayland?

>>105865302
usecase for global keylogger?

>>105861501
the xserver already supports 10 bit color, and nvidia proposed an extension for getting hdr to work in 2017, so its probably not that difficult if the person doing it knows what they are doing, which is frankly the bigger hurdle than the process of actually adding it.

>>105863746
kwin x11 has already been split off, so i doubt it matters, its already frozen.

>>105860568
This. I stay away from Linux for like 2 years, came back, and I can't fucking believe how all communities are filled with trannies now. Every single one.
It's like being a dev became the official profession of choice for trannies and femboys. It's actually making me dislike Linux in general since nowadays if I think Linux, I instantly associate it with fags.

>screen tearing
apparently tearfree fixed this, but was blocked by FDO
>security
straight up meme at this point, implying wayland's "just break it" model is better, xnamespaces is apparently also a thing that got blocked by FDO

Are the main issues at this point HDR, HiDPI, and VRR?

What else is there wayland does "better"?

>>105865302
they broke X11 on purpose, what makes you think they want to make wayland work after 17 years?

the whole point is enshittification my friend

>>105865669
The one HiDPI limitation will be trivially fixed next minor release. VRR for multimonitors is probably not very hard to fix either. HDR is the only genuine challenging thing honestly.

>>105865040
This isn't gaming specific but..
https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/plasma-6-4-performance-wayland-x11-power-cpu-kernel.html

>>105865149
Don't listen to him. Everything you see on Windows or MacOS is post-composition and full screen doesn't have any blending at all.

>>105865104
>X wins by default because Wayland can't be non-composited.
I have between 10 and 20 more FPS on Wayland while gaming, in every single game.
Explain that.

not going to read 300+ comments.
is the person who opened that issue known?
or are "they" a tranny (or pretending to be a tranny) troll who proceeded to post this here.
and if "they" are known, how much, and what is the nature of "their" contributions to KDE?

>>105860493 (OP)
can we all just take a breather and agree on which side is the troons and which side is the chuds before we discuss this any further? it's getting very hard to follow

>>105866116
The world isn't that black and white

>>105861442
>raped his 12yo sister for over a thousand times
It's not rape if she wanted and liked it.

FLOSS world needs a boxing event like the YouTubers did

>>105863626
Good! Sex offenders should have normal lives and be able to reintegrate with little to no stigma, they are the lowest recitivism criminals... hardly qualify as hardened criminals like thieves, murderers, and pot smokers.

There are thousands who are owed professional job backpay by taxpayers, for the abuse suffered by so many helpless souls brought on by Megan's Law. Sexual Offender Liberation is the most important topic in the west this century; failure to liberate and drop the AoC will result in our complete demographic destruction. Judea wants that, which is why Judea started feminism and pedo hysteria. They wanted to ban young normal relationships and breeding while promoting the degenerate and sterile LGBQ kind. Judea hates you, that is why they took your cunny away and enjoy it all themselves!

Protip: These people call every atheist "nazi".

>>105860883
>gamers, developers, and 4K Excel
Exactly. Not designed for users, lol.

1 frame.

>>105866234
You sound like someone who ought to be killed

>>105866234
fyi don't read the 2nd paragraph

>>105866367
>>105866388
Triggered feminist detected.

No sweaty, I will not be killed. In fact, I am merely getting started with my advocacy here. You will see me a lot more, I will be using LLMs to author arguments for liberation and counterarguments to your arguments against. This is a new age, feminist, and Epstein has shown the world that teen sex is back on the menu! Old hags better mopmax, they're never going to see betabux retirement!

>>105860493 (OP)
next major QT version doesn't support X11 at all KDE trannies can't do shit they have to kill X11 support.

kde sisters, we lost

>>105860493 (OP)
kde is a political project now?

>>105862809
>>A total of 10 people will use it
This will increase as the Linux tranny devs fuck people off

Don't make me tap the sign.

>>105867286
I wanted to leave linux for bsd
>installed freebsd
>awful process but whatever
>wifi doesnt work
>microphone doesnt work
>audio gets cut constantly
>camera doesnt work
>bluetooth doesnt work
yeah okay

>>105862983
>BSDs only purpose is to live on a server farm anyone using this shit for daily driving is mentally unwell
Mental illness seems to be the realm of Linux.
Also if you can't make a daily driver from any of the BSD's then you're a retard.

>>105866234
>Good! Sex offenders should have normal lives and be able to reintegrate with little to no stigma, they are the lowest recitivism criminals... hardly qualify as hardened criminals like thieves, murderers, and pot smokers.
WTF, he had unconsented sex with two of his younger sisters and could have gone away for 15 years. Bischa is pretty much on par with the likes of Hans Reiser with this disgusting crime.

>>105867297
>I wanted to leave linux for bsd
>>installed freebsd
>>awful process but whatever
Clearly you suffered one or all of the following,
1. Just had a bad experience
2. Have a low IQ
3. Use shit hardware
4 2 & 3 which resulted in 1

>>105863006
comes with the estrogen

>>105867274
>aieeeee forking xorg threatens my human rights

>>105867466
sadism seems more of a testosterone thing

>>105867483
Be easy eh, they are so fragile that 0's and 1's in the wrong order can trigger them

>>105867451
>we want bsd to replace woke linux!!
>but if you experience problems is your fault or your hardware
okay

>>105863167
>On the other side you increasingly have people and distros that have taken more and more of a hardline "no fucking troons" stance, wether its pretty milquetoast shit like "we dont discuss politics here" or "yeah we're nazis, heil hitler nigga".
being kicked out of tech is the least of the problems troons are going to have in the next years, the tech world is always 10-20 years behind politically so they haven't realized yet

>>105863580
>Proof for that? Doubt anyone would get hired with that kind of reputation
are you new to the tranny world?

>>105867488
You are wrong, it is a female/estrogen trait.

>>105867607
citation needed

>>105866320
Yes it is, as dictated by market forces, which GNU/Linux and its ecosystem COMPLETELY ignores.
It's made by devs for devs, who do not give a shit about the rest. I'm saying this as a long term Linux excluse user and dev.
I've had enough and moved back after almost a decade.

>>105864944
> thats a very good stance
No it's not.
The problem starts with telemetry being "built-in".
About the fact that it is "opt-in" you have to trust an organization that openly cancelled Richard Stallman. I don't.

>>105867662
Freenigger users conflate telemetry and privacy invasion as the same thing.
It's not and that's why your software will remains second grade dogshit.

>>105867671
If you need telemetry to create a decent user experience you are either massively incompetent or you have questionable motives.
Either way, nobody who uses FOSS should accept software that has telemetry built in.

>>105867696
If you think developper are some kind of omnipotent mages that can think of all bullshit edge cases users will fall into, then you're beyond saving.
Conversation is over.

https://rumble.com/v6uzgff-fedora-silences-support-for-xorg-fork-but-other-distros-voice-support.html?e9s=src_v1_ucp_a
He talks about KiCad, but it sounds like KikeHat and I can't stop laffin'

>>105867698
Leaving /g/ actually enjoy yourselves.
I don't know why I came back to this place after 2 years.
You guys are completely delusionnal, the trannies of tech.

>>105867657
I made it up but have PhD in Doctorism, which makes my invented sentences a fact. Don't go outside, you'll catch a grandmakilling cold.

>>105867698
> If you think developper are some kind of omnipotent mages that can think of all bullshit edge cases users will fall into, then you're beyond saving.
Nobody thinks that.
Simple bug reports would suffice.
KDE has a massive list of reported and open bugs.
So instead of fixing those first they spend a lot of energy to make sure telemetry is built into every KDE installation.
... really makes you think.

>>105867708
you really sound like an npc. i wonder what your response will be.

>>105867520
>>we want bsd to replace woke linux!!
BSD cant replace Linux as it was there before Linux
>>but if you experience problems is your fault or your hardware
Yes, it can be but when it's not you make a bug report.
It's really quite simple.

>>105867738
you really sound like an npc. i wonder what your response will be.

>>105867483
kek'd

btw any of you actually running it?

>>105867934
Install Gentoo bros were right all along, love that color scheme btw hadn't seen it in 15 years kek

>>105867934
>btw any of you actually running it?
it's a new project, it remains to be seen if it evolves into something worth using and what quality of developers it manages to attract, it's just funny that it makes people so salty for even trying

>>105867934
I don’t get it. Is C programming that fragile? Minor changes will break the ABI?