Thread 105862991

What went wrong?

>>105862991 (OP)
The whole '' fix it yourself attitude'' eventually led to it being a broken mess no one thought needed fixing.

i would like to say nothing but i recently tried a fresh install and it would crash my gpu driver every time i started a 3d game. this 6 years old install on the same hardware does for some reason but i have no idea what the difference is.

>>105862991 (OP)
they added söystemd

>>105862991 (OP)
tinker trannies

>>105862991 (OP)
Absolutely nothing, it's getting more and more popular.

at some point you get bored of having to fix your config files after every update

>>105863438
Can you give some examples of the fixes you have to do here that aren't necessary in other distros?

>>105863438
that literally never happens

Why not just use Ubuntu Server for a stable DIY distribution? You can use Flatpak and Makedeb for niche things you want up-to-date.

>>105863438
On Arch it is upstream configs only, meaning you have to do a lot of configuration that sane distros do for you.

>>105865419
>On Arch it is upstream configs only, meaning you have to do a lot of configuration that sane distros do for you.
This is straightforwardly false, both in the premise and the conclusion.

>>105863544
I've literally never had to fix a config file after an update in debian stable
Literally 0 times has this situation ever occurred.
I have gone long periods of time without updating (like 3-4 months) and ran sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade, and rebooted, and nothing has ever broke from it.

yes you /can/ get Arch working (kind of)
/should you/, no

>>105862991 (OP)
nothing

>>105863168
the more popular it is, the more hate it will receive. it's just the way it works. it's why you are seeing threads about it constantly

>>105862991 (OP)
>still just werks
>more popular than ever
What went so very, very, right?

>>105865499
75% of Linux machines run Ubuntu or Debian
It's over-represented on /g/

how is it that i never see anyone complain that the debug flag is enabled by default in makepkg?

>>105865499
Arch hate is an ancient tradition.

>>105865509
Those are for servers and containerslop.

Am I missing something with arch?
I've been an idiot the last few years and got into the habit of using my work laptop as my personal laptop too. Decided to buy myself a real personal laptop to fuck around on.
Thought I'd install arch to see what the fuss was about. My only other experience with Linux has been Ubuntu, fedora, and centos at work.
Followed the wiki install and post-install guide. Installed hyprland and did the bare minimum ricing. Grabbed my regular programs from pacman. Finished setting up the corner bits like function keys, Bluetooth, power management etc.

It was a little long winded but nothing particularly remarkable or difficult? More a time sink than anything.

>>105865616
>yfw you wrote this

>>105865616
it's quite literally the dark souls of linux distros

>>105865625
Yeah billions must have a slightly more inconvenient setup experience

>>105865616
arch's (and wayland's since you brought it up) biggest issues present themselves as soon as your use case is slightly outside of normal.

>>105863544
NTA I’ve only used arch a little bit on a vm so I’m not too knowledgeable about it, but on Gentoo whenever an update would replace files in /etc a program called dispatch-conf moves the new file to a temp file and asks you if you’d like to replace it, merge it, or just keep the old one. I imagine if arch doesn’t have something similar it would be hell to have to rewrite your config files each time they get replaced by an update

>>105865710
Isn't this true of most Linux distros to some degree

>>105865742
it's true of any oiperating system. once you start using it out of normal, it's going to break.

>>105865742
>>105865710

Isn't that just like, true, of like, everything?

>>105865710
people have the weirdest misconceptions about arch. You can set it up however you like, that's the whole point.

Works fine on my machine.

Arch sucks your time, that's about it. Only reasons to use it are if you really need the latest packages (you don't) or you're learning Linux.

>>105862991 (OP)
you didnt read it.

>>105863039
>>105863086
>>105863438
>>105865650
>>105865788
skill issue

>>105866708
I was being sarcasmic, sweetie. Time to upgrade your 4chan literacy.

>>105865712
Arch's pacman has this. They're called pacnew files and there's a command to list them and ask to show the diff/overwrite/etc

>>105865650
arch is easy. gentoo is the real test skills. and lfs is easier(less complex) than gentoo(I installed version 12 of lfs on a vm)

>>105866758
*test of skills

>>105862991 (OP)
Left.
Honestly i don't even know what will become of whole linux Xorg died, Wayland is pushed, Redhat is acting like they went full insane. I used to love Linux now it's just mess because of lefties fucking the whole thing up.

>>105866708
yeah... that was my point

>>105866758
yes, and dark souls is actually kinda easy

>>105865510
coming back to this question later: there is an open (fixed on mainline but you dont use that yet) issue that effects wayland+amd+vrr rn. it basically culminates in locking your vrr monitor to its lowest supported refresh rate. there are people rn itt reading this post at 48 hz and they simply just dont notice.

Arch is the default Linux distro
hope that helps

>>105865450
You're wrong. Arch ships plain configs from upstream. Debian/Fedora/... ship pre-customized configs that are typically superior. But apparently that triggers the Arch autist because they want to be inconvenienced.

>>105869551
Whatever "superior config" Fedora shipped broke mobile hotspot for NetworkManager.
>Debian
lol lmao >>105857060

>>105869618
Also Fedora doesn't even come with basic fucking codecs lol you need rpmfusion humiliation ritual. Nice "convenience" you got there. Same for openSUSE. Mint has no thumbnails in file picker. Fedora, Debian, Mint, openSUSE are all memes mogged by Arch.

>>105868287
Kek this, top distro on Steam, main distro on Youtube, largest distro on reddit, best disto on /g/!!!

>>105862991 (OP)

nothing. 9 years without issues

>>105863759
It does but ChatGPT makes it trivial.

>>105862991 (OP)
Nothing. It's still the distro of choice for midwits with lots of time on their hands, as it's always been.

>>105862991 (OP)
It honestly does feel like Arch has become less stable in the past few years. I used to be an ardent defender of it against the people who insist it constantly broke itself, but it feels like nowadays, every time I boot into my Arch partition there's always some stupid shit to fix or a broken update. I honestly wonder, however, if I just got used to constantly fixing the papercut bugs until I got to the point where I didn't even notice it. In other words, maybe they were always there and I just conditioned myself to stop thinking about it. I stopped using it full-time a few years ago and switched to Ubuntu LTS, and it's been a very hands-off experience other than fucking AppArmor breaking shit every other week. I also switched back to Windows, and it's more of a bugfest than Arch (lol).

>>105862991 (OP)
nothing, its the best distro for desktop usage

>>105863086
Huh I just installed it for LLM inference and it worked out of the box after installing the nvidia drivers.

>>105862991 (OP)
Literally nothing