>Linux 6.17 Looks To Drop The pktcdvd Packet Writing CD/DVD Driver

https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-To-Remove-pktcdvd

Less drivers, more diversity!

>The pktcdvd driver was deprecated all the way back in 2016 and is finally now on the chopping block for good. Axboe commented on the patch queued in linux-block.git's for-next branch:
>"This driver has long outlived it's utility, and it's broken and unloved. The main use case for this was direct mount with UDF of cd-rw drives that required 32kb packets. It would collect writes into that size and write them out in multiples of that. That's not a common use case anymore, the world has moved on from those kinds of media. To make matters worse, it's actively breaking setups where it's not even required or useful."
>Back in 2022 the driver was initially removed from the kernel for already being long-deprecated and unmaintained,but in early 2023 the driver removal was reverted on the basis of there still being users of the driver. Now in 2025, no one has stepped up to properly maintain the driver and thus the expectation now is that it will be removed for good.
Another nothingburger.

>>105885128
What about game preservation?

>>105885184
What about it?

>>105885184
>What about [unrelated thing]
Not my problem.

>>105885184
bro even pirates/collectors moved onto ODEs. its more reliable to use a dreamcast ODE than a GD ROM drie.

>>105885128
Oh well, so much for restoring your backups.
Some video gamer on his mom’s home pee cee doesn’t use it anymore, so nobody can.
> to properly maintain
What, specifically, needs to be maintained?
Nothing. It’s just being killed because linux devs are too stupid to let it carry on.
By that logic, I hope they discontinue the .tar (it’s tapes, right… who has those?) format, and use artistic control to disallow any distribution of tar on linux.

>>105885092 (OP)
7Chads can't stop winning!

>>105885092 (OP)
What's stopping me from just having it work on Mint regardless of that?

So are there other capable drivers/methods of doing the same thing more or less? Or will this compromise drive image mounting or writing as a whole?

>>105885345
DeVeDe still works. You just have to download it and its dependencies separately instead of people baking this stuff into their distro.

>>105885294
>What, specifically, needs to be maintained?
Why don't you read the discussion? It's public.

>>105885345
It affects nothing. This was only used for writing a specific type of media that does not exist anymore.

>>105885345
using optical media properly is unaffected. packet writing is a meme feature that flash drives made completely obsolete and a lot of newer optical drives don't even support it.

>>105885345
No. The driver was for incremental writing to CD-RW disks and having them mounted like a normal disk. Nobody does that anymore. You can still burn CDs just fine.

>>105885128
> No work has been done there, to my knowledge.
Translation:” I’m so fucking clueless, I don’t even know how to check change histories in source code control. That’s why I’m in charge of it.”
> But as the current driver
> is totally broken and people aren't even complaining about that

Sound like pakled society.
Broken. Won’t go. Nobody smart to make it go.
Needs kill instead. We can kill. We are strong.

>>105885092 (OP)
> Remove tiny parts, that provide hardware compatibility for older machines and niche devices.
> Add bloated mess
> Bragg about 1*109 loc, thousands of commits
> Inject drm/HDCP, microcode blobs, rust promos

>>105885441
>> Remove tiny parts, that provide hardware compatibility for older machines and niche devices.
That nobody uses anymore and that were causing unrelated bugs.

>>105885294
>(it’s tapes, right… who has those?)

>>105885441
10^9

>>105885416
> don't you read the discussion
Did.
They stalled for time and asked for boot logs and other unnecessary shit. Reporter surprisingly delivered, they told him a bunch of “try rebooting” and “wiggle the plug” type advice, and immediately gave up.

If there was no changes, it’s some other shit that broke it. Probably system-duh related. It smells like pœttering’s fingers.

> It affects nothing
Except the fucking guy that reported it, and got it killed.
They just don’t know how to fix it. Or even how to look at the changelog or source.
I should go in there and suggest rewriting it in rust would fix it, and I have hundreds of unemployed hikumari wetting themselves for the opportunity.

>>105885480
There are plenty of use cases outside your own, but i guess you swallow corpo speech like E. Ebussy swallows cum

>>105885596
Name one. Can't? Because you don't know what the driver actually does? Just came to vent? Got it.

>>105885128
>>That's not a common use case
he can't keep getting away with it!

>>105885294
I can't imagine where you have some old, obscure use case and can't find this documented...and you're somehow incapable of simply booting up a liveCD/USB of an older distro to do what's needed.

>>105885128
It’s surprising they’re not even curious about why all of a sudden it’s broken with apparently no changes.
It seems likely this driver was a canary the coal mine.
It’s obvious you don’t need and skills in deductive reasoning or logic to work in the linux kernel.
That probably explains the atrocious quality that linux always had.
I used to write device drivers for it (slackware, bought on CD) and it was the absolute worst.
How it even got off the ground with the kernel lock is beyond me, it’s always been unusable.

>>105885626

>>105885664
> old distro.
Excellent idea. I’m going back to windows, mac, bsd, and old linux distros that weren’t invaded by retards.
> old distro on DVD
Thank god Windows and mac will still read it.

I still records CDs to listen to music in my old car

>>105885738
And you still can.

>>105885717
>I don't know what's going on but... I WIN!!

>>105885092 (OP)
Just enter these 25 commands and you’re good.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/CD/DVD/BD_writing

Or, on a mac, you just right-click, and “burn”
Who ever thought windows and mac would be the saviours of old computers

>>105885717
Windows' support for this functionality is extremely buggy and MacOS dropped support for it entirely ages ago.

>>105885738
You can still do that, it's not removing the ability to write cds

>>105885717
>>105885738
>>105885761
optical media support is not being removed, retards

>>105885761
>Who ever thought windows and mac would be the saviours of old computers
Anyone who actually uses old computers. Linux has some of the worst legacy support around. The best way to use an old computer is to use the OS it came with and live with the security issues.

>>105885092 (OP)
So does this completely break CD-RW support?

Packet writing to optical discs was always a niche use case even in the 00's, a meme even. Half the time it fucked up back on XP and usb drives completely killed it. You can't even buy rewritable discs anymore.

>>105885806
No, you can still use rewritable discs, just not in packet writing mode. i.e. you can burn a disc and erase the disc as many times as the media permits but you can't add files to it incrementally as though it's an external hard drive.

>>105885808
>You can't even buy rewritable discs anymore.
Maybe not at retail stores, but online vendors still have them.

>>105885794
I tried yellowdog linux on an old ppc mac once.
That lasted about a day, lol.

>>105885828
So does that mean DVD-RAM and CD-RAM are dead on Linux now?

>>105885837
No dvd-ram didn't use packet writing and cd-ram never existed to my knowledge

>>105885806
No, but it sets a precedent for removing any drivers supporting hardware or features that the current gatekeeping idiots don’t personally have.
So, don’t worry, they’ll get around to making it not work. Boil the frog slowly.
Do you really think people funding these industry plants want you popping a DVD in your linux box and playing it for free, or do you think they’d rather you (1) buy a while new computer every year and (2) set up a systematic withdrawl on your bank account to subscribe to a network service?

>>105885889
>No, but it sets a precedent for removing any drivers supporting hardware or features that the current gatekeeping idiots don’t personally have.
It really doesn't, they've already been doing this for years. Just look at all the graphics cards that had support removed over the years.

>>105885889
>removing obsolete features that barely anyone even used when they were "relevant" is a slippery slope to removing features people actually use
if you don't want your meme shit to be deprecated then volunteer to maintain it

>>105885280
Retarded normalfags can do what they like, but playing a Dreamcast without the sound of the drive seeking is the most soulless thing I can imagine. Just play on a fucking emulator if real hardware and physical media are too much work for you, dumbass.

>>105885889
>>105885981
This particular instance could probably be supported through a piece of third party software if anyone really cared enough to write it.

>>105885280
Maybe you did. I even play my pirated PC games from CD.

>>105886032
>I even play my pirated PC games from CD.
Show me your physical PC game collection, lad!

>>105885092 (OP)

>Troonix users can no longer burn or use CD's

>>105885968
> they've already been doing this for years
Sounds like Bitcha’s defense…

“I’ve been doing it for years, how can that be wrong?”

It comes down to the driver deprecators and other linux “developers” not being able to distinguish right from wrong. And that’s dangerous.

why is /g/ filled with whiny contrarians

>>105886057
This CD book is full of burned PC, PS1, and PS2 games. I've got another one full of movies, and another full of software. And that's even mentioning the shelves of legitimate game and movie discs and tapes I have.

>>105886100
I'm not saying its a good thing, on the contrary I think its very bad what they're doing. Its just not a new thing. This is only the latest instance of some bullshit they've been pulling for years.

>>105886123
Give them back, Jamal!

I'm just messing with you!

>>105886122
I don't know, why are you here?

>>105885092 (OP)
Ok, can FreeBSD (or any other BSD) still write cd/dvds?

>>105886221
to discuss the latest apple products and their superior operating system

I love CDs but would never ever maintain the code

>>105886081
That's not what's happening.
>>105886263
Linux can still write cd/dvds

>>105886123
>the mavica quality
kino

i gotta dock points for using verbatim in 2025 though

>>105885184
Nobody is using CD/DVD-ROMs for dumps or preservation now. All that shit is digital. The only loss is Blu-rays and those have PC ports 9/10 of the time.

back in my day linux didn't remove support

>>105886429
It's all rust now.

>>105886437
well those people love removing things

>>105886009
My optical drive broke and I couldn't find the kind my model needed.

>>105886409
Who should I be using? So far they're the only brand I've had luck with.

>0.001% of 0.01% of the general population will be affected
>all the spergs come out...
I wonder if there's any correlation?

>>105886498
The Linux userbase is that 0.001% of 0.001% of the population.

>>105886516
Linux fags just got BTFO!

>>105886498
>What do aspies love?
>Aspie shit
>Let's go ruin some aspie shit
>They're gonna sperg out
>Yeah

Move the decimal.
t. been working with and using loonix since before many of you were spunk in your dads sock
I bought an external dvd drive about 12 yrs ago. I last used it about 2 yrs ago to ripperx a [moderately] rare cd for prosperity.
Yes there is a very small & infrequent use case. Weighed against having other newer technology's drivers included (before the kernel becomes so overwhelming huge it's impossible for people to use - I'll happily modprobe the driver if needed.

So of the userbase this will affect a decimal place.

>>105886558
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!11!!

>>105885677
>all of a sudden it’s broken with apparently no changes
The kernel doesn't have stable internal apis.
Every change breaks something, but drivers with no users have no one to report or fix the bugs.

>>105885184
anything on cd/dvd can be preserved through any LTS linux release

>>105885092 (OP)
does this mean i am not going to be able to burn discs anymore using new versions of linux mint?

i'll have to use an old version of linux mint to burn discs and read discs

>>105887026
>>105885429

>>105887026
i asked gemini and it said no

>>105885184
doesn't affect it.

>>105885294
> It’s just being killed because linux devs are too stupid to let it carry on.
nobody used it. it's for using things like cd/dvd-ram as a mass storage device like usb. people can still burn isos. faggot.
>(it’s tapes, right… who has those?)
most of the industry. it's called LTO.

>>105887135
> nobody used it
How do you know?
They should just thank the guy for reporting it and find some guy to fix it.
Or, maybe this is just to intentionally annoy us and prepare us for MS-style telemetry.

One of my favourite pastimes is to send random (and sometimes carefully crafted) false telemetry back to their collection ports. The ones using python data structures that get executed on their servers are especially fun.

>>105887230
>How do you know?
easily. since majority of computers sold over last 15 years have had no optical drives, usb storage exists, cloud storage exists, enormous capacity hard drives exist. etc.
>Or, maybe this is just to intentionally annoy us and prepare us for MS-style telemetry.
that's mental illness.

>>105886597
> having other newer technology's drivers included
That’s a good idea. Every time there’s new kernel material something else has to go:
I’m propsing btrfs, serial and parallel ports, ps/2 mouse support, floppy support, VGA, and all big-endian support be dropped immediately in favor of… um.. well I guess nothing since that isn’t a rule.

> (before the kernel becomes so overwhelming huge it's impossible for people to use
Which is when, exactly?
I’m pretty sure this old driver should be studied as an exercise to prevent modern bloatware.

>>105885092 (OP)
Inb4 the fork. There will always be some neckbeard who will do it for free and give some kind of long term support to the project.

>>105887302
>I’m propsing btrfs, serial and parallel ports, ps/2 mouse support, floppy support, VGA, and all big-endian support be dropped immediately in favor of…
Now you've started it.

>>105887044
Oh, so this doesn't matter.

>>105886424
I am??? I need to know if I can still burn CDs and DVDs for my PS2.

>>105887306
you don't even need that. some dweeb will just make a userland version of the software that does the same thing via fuse.

>>105887730
You might still need the driver to provide some kind of access required for the hardware.

The ultimate driver is one that you can upload a buffer of executable code that the kernel executes and sends interrupts to.

>>105887711
just use the fucking lts kernel, you can have it installed with the one you're already using, jsut switch to it on boot whenever you want to use a cd or dvd
this thread is bait shit from phoronix

>>105888066
>just use the
Why can't I keep my shit moving FORWARDS though? Isn't the #1 rule of Linux kernel development to NEVER break userspace?

>>105888129
> no new advancements in DVD R+ technology
> keep moving forward

Yeah, they’re out of ideas, last one was to run everything through c2rust and make the linux kernel take 4 days to compilekas

>>105888234
>no new advancements in DVD R+ technology
I don't need new advancements, I just need my shit to keep working.

>>105888129
Kernel drivers aren't part of userspace.

>>105888397
Okay, so am I still able to burn discs if I get the latest kernel?

>>105888402
Yes. No one uses this driver.

>>105888402
yes. it's like you haven't even been reading this thread at all. it only affects those that are writing small amounts of data at a time to an optical drive, treating it like a usb storage device. regular burning of isos etc. will always work and exist. keep up with the thread for fucks sake.

>>105888431
>small amounts of data at a time to an optical drive
What if you're burning at 1x speed

>>105888436
it's not related to burning isos and isn't related to speed. it's about using optical media as a storage device without finalizing the entire disk.

>>105885092 (OP)
Don't you need this for burning PS1 discs properly?

>>105888452
So the 2nd poster (>>105885184) is just a retard then? Alright, I guess I'll update my kernel

>>105886429
The old linux devs should revoke their license. They still own the code.
(Yes, the GPL is revocable by the copyright holder, and the siren call of Linux back then was that it was "secure" and we were building something together to support everything, as hobbyists: the Copyright holders detrimentally relied on this which has become a lie.)

Or they should just kill these people.
This all started when they got rid of grsecurity as an opensouce linux kernel patch because the US govt felt the system was getting too secure.

They first tried to take over linux using "feminist" whores from colledge in 2007/2009

>>105888452
>it's not related to burning isos and isn't related to speed. it's about using optical media as a storage device without finalizing the entire disk.

Look, asshole, the guys that wrote that driver, the other linux HOBBIEST devs that made linux, all were under the impression that once they wrote the software, and agreed to license it under the GPL: that capability would be in Linux forever.

That was the DEAL.
Now the "Deal" is changing.
They should revoke the license, all at once.
OR

They should KILL Linus and these transfucks: because they are betrayers.

Marry little girls.

Linux was created by hobbiests, born of copyright infringement vs Minix (yes it was), and has now been taken over by paid corporate programmers who are women and transfaggots who don't like little girl loli brides.

The hobbiests who initially built linux should revoke the licenses to their code.
Or they should kill the people who took over "their thing".

The Mob wouldn't have allowed this.

And here we go again...

>>105885092 (OP)
WHAT THE FUCK

>>105886009
Just add the drive seeking sound emulation to the emulator

>>105888501
least retarded tranime poster

They want to get rid of all or most code written by the hobbiest programmers from 1990-2013, so they are not able to claim to have code in the linux kernel.

They are doing so by removing all old drivers and old code one by one, replacing it with nothing, or with corporate written code that they own the copyright to.

This is so the original programmers of Linux cannot revoke the license to their needed code, and so they cannot get a job

>Oh you're code is in Linux!
vs
>What" your code was thrown out of Linux?1

Think of the reputational damage to the
>MAAALLLLEEEEE (whoite)
programmer who wrote the CD 32k packet driver.

Before he could say "I have some code in the linux kernel"
And when he wrote it: it WAS the understanding that
>1) it would always be in, maybe improved, but nothing was EVER "DEEPRECIATED" from Linux at that time
>2) "we" (Linus and everyone else) would sue anyone who violated the GPL, or prevented redistribution, OR:
>2b) Failed to SEND LINUS the changes back.
Yes: Linus is on record (video, text, and audio), on old Slashdot articles from 1999-2002 era saying he expects all changes to come back to him

>But that's not in the GPL!
And yet all the Linux hobbiest kernel programmers of that time understood it as a requirement: and wrote in attestation to that: thus that can be recognised as part of the deal by a court (GPL is not voluminous enough to trigger the "4 corners" "completely integrated document" rule: nor does Linux dev history support such)

NOW: that
>WHOITE MMAALALLLLLEEEEE
programmer will never be considered for a position because he now has the reputation of:
>his "crap code" being thrown out of linux for FUCKING THINGS UP
(20 years after the fact, but who cares: WOMEN and TRANSFAGGOTS are NOT at fault: the original WHAITE MAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE PEDO FUCK is the one AT FAULT not wrighting code that would see into the future.
>ALSO HIS CODE IS __OUT___ HAHAHHAHA

When linux was written by hobbiests, nothing was ever depreciated. Each victory over hardware was hardwon and cherished.

Now our enemies routinely spit on the graves that have become our patches.

We hobbiests lost:
1) i386
2) Grsecurity
3) Video drivers
4) Freedom of Speech (Code of Conduct)
5) 32k packet driver for CD-RW.

When will we kill these people?
When will Linus be beaten for this betrayal?
He met with Gates recently.

Marry little girls.
Linus should be killed.
He enticed 1000s of "loser nerds" to sacrifice the best years of their lives to build this system as a victory of Hobbiests.
He then sold it to corporate interests and the united states governement.

And then introduced speech codes against the hobbiests white males who did all the work. Championing feminists and whores who did not do the work over the men.

He should be killed.
He is a betrayer.
He's got his 30 pieces of silver.
Now it's time for him to hang: as Judas Iscariot did.

He also opposes loli child brides. and needs to die for that.
And he likes fat karate champion women. brags about how "powerful". And has bad looking issue that cop him out to the CIA.

><-------------YHWH allows child brides
>Something Linus opposes
>YHWH does not allow women to commit adultery
>Hans Reiser is in prison, while Linus is free.
>Give us our Barabbas. Kill our Jesus for he has betrayed our kind.

>it's another "mikee having a melty" episode

>>105888469
Dreamcast probably.

>>105885128
Linux is such a useless architecutre holy shit.
>muuuh maintaining
windows 11 still supports floppy drives. no one at microsoft "maintains" that driver. i can tell you with 99.99% certainty that the floppy driver is unchanged since windows xp days. there are no bugs in the floppy driver. it just werks. it doesn't need to be updooooted.
LINUX doesn't have the JustWerks technology in it, it seems...

>>105886498
No-one here is affected by this. There's a handful of people still using this feature at most. It's possible literally no-one still uses packet writing on dvd/cd-rw on Linux, it's such a niche use case.

>>105886597
>. I last used it about 2 yrs ago to ripperx a [moderately] rare cd for prosperity.
You mean posterity, and you can still do that. Removing this driver doesn't affect ripping CDs.

>>105889306
Thank you spellcheck.

>>105889088
>no one at microsoft "maintains" that driver.
>he doesn't know about the int13 jeet cabal

>>105889306
>>105889358
That said you have no proof I DIDN'T make any money off it!

>>105889358
>no one at microsoft "maintains" that driver.
You can take all those old drivers from the Windows XP source code leak and compare them with the modern versions in the DDK for win10/11. All those old drivers are literally unchanged and the only things they did to them was add more parameter validation or sprinkle an extra assert here and there.

IT HAS TO GO
MICROSOFT HAS NO USE FOR THIS THEREFORE LINUX HAS NO USE FOR THIS
DELETE IT

I hate it
They really do have to kill Linux one way or another to make it fall in line don't they.
How many years is mandatory DRM and ads away at this point, 10? 5? less?
The whole point of Linux was that it had superior hardware support and doesnt follow bs industry trends to corpos who refuse to make drivers for new windows and kill their older better hardware to force new purchases.
Most distros also killed 32bit (even tho theres tons of them out there, while no one has ARM because its complete trash but they have to force ARM bc its lockdown trash just like how big tech pushes it, completely not suspicious)
Wayland kills all non-new GPUs, etc.
Happens way too often to ignore.
I hate this trend, I really do not want to move my older machines back to Windows when modern linux drops support for them, I do not want to move my new one especially once they shut down the internet just because Linux completely accidentally is near unusable without internet due to "technical limitations" and not intended by design when on Windows somehow despite corpos best efforts offline installers are still the norm.
Technology (and the world) peaked in the XP age, everything is dogshit now, they once again proved FOSS is just a cope now like anything else, there are no real alternatives other than outright rejecting absolutely everything that released past 2010.

If the driver works why does it need to be constantly maintained?

>>105890362
Primarily to fix breakages introduced upstream by people who're making quasi-random changes on unloved drivers to pad out their commit history.

>>105890362
I'm sure some NGO gave them money to break things and them repair them again.

>>105890362
>If the driver works
It didn't.

>>105890483
How is Linux such a mess of spaghetti that it managed to break?

>data? you don't need that, you conspiracy nut

>>105890353
This is like Animal Farm now.
Linus has betrayed the 1000s of MEN (called "mamaaalllleesss" now) who programmed for his system so as to make a good hobbiest OS. Before the women, corporates, got into it and paid him off.

You need to take it up with him in person.
He won't understand otherwise.

Traitors before enemies.

>>105890593
>the whole driver has been orphaned and has no maintainer for the last five years
>>Was there any change in last 5 (or more) years in this CD-RW area?
>There's been a fair amount of cleanup wrt all the SCSI ioctl handling in the last 5 years (and before).

>>105890593 >>105890483
>How is Linux such a mess of spaghetti that it managed to break?

They added a Code of Conduct (barred under the GPL (no additional restrictions), but they don't care) to threaten any white mmaaaalllle hobbiest: the people that actually wrote ALL ______ALL_______ of the linux kernel code up till 2003.

So no one is there to test or fix it.
The magic is gone.

Remeber when Linux was said to be "secure" and it's security touted? I do. Remeber when we had the Grsecurity patch? And then Linus drove them away intentionally at the behest of the US Government? I do.
Remeber when the US Government then turned around and paid Grsecurity 100k a year on contract?
Remeber when Linus then blocked any talk of suing them, tamped everything down, etc on the LKML?
I do

Everyone knows their efforts will be in vain.
There is only one way the hobbiests who were betrayed can regain their honour.

>>105890627
Why would I code for them if they're going to take my code and then CoC me?

If I contribute code to Linux, I have to abide by Linux's "speech codes" world wide forever: or I get thrown out. That is the "payment" I receive for contributing code to linux. A detriment. So why would I do it?

Linus gets to order everyone around and threaten to remove the driver if "somebody" doesn't fix it.

Why doesn't he fix it? He's gotten free code from 10,000 white "mmaaalllleeeesss". He's gotten rich off their backs.

Yet he doesn't respect any of them enough to fix this one piece of code after HE broke the scsi subsystem.

WHEN LINUX STARTED IT TOUTED THAT IT COULD RUN FINE ON OLD SYSTEMS.

These fucking people induced men to work for them, for free, to build a "forever" OS that always worked with old hardware. Now that Linus is "married and rich and happy" he is renegging on that understanding.

JUST as he renegged on the "Security" aspect of linux that was SHOUTED FROM THE RAFTERS back then.

>>105890627
I don't think you understand how incompetent this makes the kernel devs look. Nothing about 'cleaning up' should fundamentally change how a driver is interacting with another piece of the kernel.

>>105890733
>>>105890627
>I don't think you understand how incompetent this makes the kernel devs look. Nothing about 'cleaning up' should fundamentally change how a driver is interacting with another piece of the kernel.

The kernel devs(Linus) said Grsecurity is shit.
Meanwhile a linux box is pwnd in seconds without it.
Meanwhile Linus discouraged anyone from suing Grsecurity for copyright infringement, AFTER saying years earlier on slashdot (in a video) that "we" would sue anyone who violated the GPL on linux.

Is it incompetence: or is he paid off to do these things?

>>105885184
what about it? this is the packet writer driver, it doesn't mean linux will stop being able to read or write cd's/dvd's. packet writing is a special kind of writing where you can use a rewritable disc more like a flash drive, where you can drop new files onto it without needing to erase/write the entire disc at once. it was rarely used even back in the day and honestly i didn't know linux supported it at all, i only used it once as a novelty in windows xp (note that such discs typically aren't readable on most devices either, so it was only really ever useful for things like backing up small files)

itt: people who don't know what packet writing is mourn the loss of packet writing

>Basically what the driver does is ensure that any write is 32K in size, which is the size which can be written to media. It'll gather data as needed to make that happen. Thats it. Outside of that, it's just some setup and closing code.
>This obviously would be better to handle in userspace

>>105890766
actually, i'm mistaken here, what i did in xp was multi-session writing, packet writing wasn't in windows until vista and is a bit different, i'm not sure i ever used packet writing.. maybe once idk. i rarely used cd-rw's because they had poor compatibility

>>105890766
>>105890782
I heavily utilised DVD-RAM and packet writing, It's was the only practical way to properly store a record-based file system on optical media, it was heavily utilised in the IBM sphere.

>"pktcdvd"
Gesundheit! Sounds like AIDS to me, better get that checked out, freetard,

Call it what it is: multi-session support. A CD cannot get infected with e.g. state sponsored malware. Your "friends" hate that. A multi-session CD can be burned multiple times, you can add data to the end of the disc, the empty left space.

But of course, you don't need that. Nobody needs that! Why would you need that?

>>105890856
i've never used dvd-ram, but i have wanted to. the phoronix article mentions that running "blkid" with a dvd-ram inserted hangs. the packet writing driver literally doesn't work and nobody noticed or cared, hence it's being removed
>>105890868
multi-session is a different thing

>>105890766
>note that such discs typically aren't readable on most devices either, so it was only really ever useful for things like backing up small files
Not true, it is supported everywhere with CDs. With DVDs it's exactly like you claim it is, there it is a hit and miss. Sometimes you may get lucky, sometimes you cannot even read it out on the same computer anymore. But the multi-session CDs work flawlessly. It guarantees butthurt invaders.

>>105890871
>multi-session is a different thing
My embarrassment is eternal, I will commit seppoku immediately.

>>105890913

>>105890922
i don't blame you, cd standards are many and complex

>>105890856
>It's was the only practical way to properly store a record-based file system on optical media,
well yea, that's what it was made for, it's a hard-sectored format kinda like a hard drive, versus a regular cd/dvd which uses a single continuous spiral. packet writing is a hack and never existed outside of computer packet writing software (as in you can't packet-write mp3's and expect it to work in your mp3-cd player)

>>105890926
Oh neat, I didn't know Sony drives are best to avoid. Haven't read something like that anywhere else. Thanks

>>105885128
>That's not a common use case anymore, the world has moved on from those kinds of media.
If you say this, the rest of the argument might as well be just absolute nonsense.

>>105885092 (OP)
>>105885128
As far as I understand it, this doesn't really have any effect whatsoever on CD/DVD/BD writing, so why is everyone ITT acting like optical is dead on Linux now?

>>105890988
>"you don't need that, you conspiracy nuts" poster has arrived

>>105890988
because most people don't know what packet writing is and that's it's different to regular writing. it honestly just demonstrates why it's being removed

>>105891022
>you really REALLY don't need data, you conspiracy nuts. this thread is proof!

>>105891018
the "you don't need that" argument doesn't apply here, the driver has been abandoned for years and doesn't currently work properly. nobody, including such posters, has stepped up to maintain it, so nobody is in a position to complain about its' removal.

>>105891047
Linux has no telemetry, NOBODY knows if it works. There are more hardware combinations than there are stars in the galaxy. Maybe there is one anon on the run from the feds, which cannot post that his life or freedom depends on this driver.

That is the exact reason why closed source will exist forever. You pay, you live. You wait for free shit:
>You don't need that, nobody ever needed that. In reality we have no clue because we are hardcore anti-telemetry, but "we just know ;)"
This isn't a new phenomenon. Devuan and most other distros also removed nvidia drivers for cards still for sale at MediaSaturn in Germany.
Wanna know why? Because... "they're so old, nobody needs that driver. If we want them to work again, we can just make our own distro :) Don't even DARE to ask to get your (fixed) packages into the repo."

Deletion instead of bugfixing? A disaster in my eyes. And definitely not respecting freedom.

PS: I bet some russian forum user lately asked about that buggy driver. Or a chink. One of the "bad people", y'know. The "evil terrorists".

>>105891118
read nigger
>Back in 2022 the driver was initially removed from the kernel for already being long-deprecated and unmaintained,but in early 2023 the driver removal was reverted on the basis of there still being users of the driver. Now in 2025, no one has stepped up to properly maintain the driver and thus the expectation now is that it will be removed for good.
people did complain about it's previous removal, but /nobody stepped up to maintain it/.
>Deletion instead of bugfixing? A disaster in my eyes. And definitely not respecting freedom.
deleting broken code nobody wants to work on "not respecting freedom"? what even is freedom to you?
i'm sad it's going as well, i'm not some "you don't need that" or "old bad" person, they aren't removing it for those reasons either.

>>105891188
I read it, have you understood that not everybody is as free as we are? Not everybody can chime in in order to get their voice heard. But it's actually true what you're saying, there are real reasons for its removal and, indeed, somebody should have done something. For me it's the first time hearing about this. Also: It should be possible to have a new, maybe even rewritten, driver get added to the kernel again in the future. It's not completely hopeless.

>>105891208
>added to the kernel again
You can just do it in userspace.

>>105891220
I have another question then: What if I boot up the Linux kernel alone, without a GUI. Would the driver in userspace be loaded then already? Or could it? Where does the userspace actually start? Is the login shell I'm seeing already userspace? Everything above PID 0, so PID 1 and following is userspace, right?

Sometimes I program in XNUs kernel space for teh lulz, but where is Linux's?

>>105891208
>Not everybody can chime in in order to get their voice heard.
sure, i do fully understand your point, but if an abandoned part of the kernel stops working, and there's nobody around who even knows how to fix it, what option do they have?

>>105891270
I guess none. I also already googled my question. Ironically Linux kernel space is for memory and the data storage. But FUSE also works in userspace if I remember correctly, so this isn't exactly a new concept then.

>>105885092 (OP)
>>105885128
let's be honest, who was actually mounting and writing to CD-RW discs like they were hard disks? most people are writing them in one big chunk, a few people are using sessions. we can be sure of that. but who is using this shit

>>105891459
the technology was made obsolete by flash drives, which is funny, because windows got packet writing support in 2007, which is too late for cd-rw's to be competing with flash drives, dvd-rw's were slightly more competitive, but not for very long. also you can't use packet-written dvd-rw's in anything but a pc pretty much, unlike a usb flash drive.
interestingly, linux got packet writing support earlier, in 2004.

pic related is what windows calls it (live file system), there may be people who don't know the technical name for it and have been using it anyway

You retards realize that this is not related to burning disks right? You can still burn CDs/DVDs/BR-Ds without issue

>>105891047
>the "you don't need that" argument doesn't apply here, the driver has been abandoned for years and doesn't currently work properly. nobody, including such posters, has stepped up to maintain it, so nobody is in a position to complain about its' removal.

We don't step up to maintain it because we do not accept Linux enforcing speech codes upon us and punishing us if we breach them.
Do you understand that dipshit fuck?

We will not work FOR FREE under a Code of Conduct.
You are our ENEMY.
Do you NOT get that?

>Hey, White MAALLLE: if you want to give us free labour in return we get to punish you if you write things we don't like anywhere on earth!

FUCK YOU.
WE WILL ___KILL___ YOU INSTEAD.
HOW ABOUT THAT?

>>105891602
Fuck off, nobody cares about facts here.

>>105891679
bro what

>>105891602
>You retards realize that this is not related to burning disks right? You can still burn CDs/DVDs/BR-Ds without issue

Yes, we all do.
We know what packet wrighting is dipshit fuck.
We have extended network C code that does similar things over the network (instead of on-the-fly to media).

Dip Shit.
We do NOT accept Linus and dipshits ripping out, one by one, all the code HOBBIESTS added from the BEGINNING OF LINUX 0.00000000.1.

i386,
graphics cards,
on and on and on/

DEEEPRECIATED.

>U MAINTAIN IT.
You kicked us out once you attacked freedom of speech with the CoC.
We're enemies now.
We'll KILL you.

>>105891679
We have to leave the fucking kids in peace, man.
>"murder death kill da" captcha

>>105891679
>FUCK YOU.
>WE WILL ___KILL___ YOU INSTEAD.
>HOW ABOUT THAT?

>>105891701
>You kicked us out once you attacked freedom of speech with the CoC.
>We're enemies now.
>We'll KILL you.

>>105891691
>>>105891679 (You)
>bro what

>MAINTAIN THE CODE IF YOU LIKE IT SO MUCH
>OH BUT IF YOU SPEAK WRONGLY WE CODE OF CONDUCT YOU
>DO IT FOR FREE!!!!

These people are our enemies. Their arguments are illogical. Why would a man work for free, and for people that seek to silence his opinions?

He wouldn't
They made the first move.
Kill them.

>>105891713
Founding fathers killed for less.

Yes: the ONLY solution to censorship is killings.
Always was.

I remeber how they promoted freedom of speech, show us the code, nothing matters other than code.
Then Linus stabbed us all in the back.
He needs to be killed.

>>105891681
>>>105891602
>Fuck off, nobody cares about facts here.

We all know what it's about, these dipshits just keep saying "DURR YOU DON"T KNOW ITS ABOUT PACKET WRIGING STRAMING 2 CD MEDA!!!" and they then follow up with "WHO USES PHYSICAL MEDIA ANYWAY!!!"

The fact is they keep taking out all the hobbiests code.
i386: remeber: what Linux started on.
Graphics drivers: so we can never get back to non-backdoored systems.

And they then say "well if u don't like it maintain it" : which is what we all USED to do: BEFORE they attacked our freedom of speech to tell feminist women to go FUCK themselves: with their Code of Conduct.

The ONLY solution is KILLING THESE PEOPLE.
They have SOCIALLY taken over Linux/ Free software.
They were NOT the _MEN_ who wrote the software.
But they took it over and silenced everyone.

ONLY TORTURE AND KILLING THEM WILL END IT.

>>105891731
go back to your nazi fork with 0 commits, faggot

>>105891765
fuck you

>>105891755
It went terribly wrong when Linus chased Grsecurity away in 2008 at the behest of the United States government.

He is a lying piece of shit since he left transmeta.
Before that it was the "secure" "hacker OS".
And everything and anything that was good was added.
Don't you fucking remeber asshole? Or is this Animal Farm?

>>105891679
>>Hey, White MAALLLE
You're not even white, why are you LARPing like you are?

>>105891765
>go back to your nazi fork with 0 commits, faggot
Chaos>X>Anthology has 20 years of commits from me, dipshit.

200 weapons to your 8.

>>105891752
>hobbiests
It's spelled hobbyist, you brown faggot

>>105891776
>You're not even white, why are you LARPing like you are?
Is that so
<--------------
What colour are my eyes,
What colour are my veins.
You won't answer this.

>>105891679
>WE WILL ___KILL___ YOU INSTEAD.

>>105891701
>We'll KILL you.

>>105891720
>Kill them.

>>105891731
He needs to be killed.

>>105891752
>The ONLY solution is KILLING THESE PEOPLE.
>ONLY TORTURE AND KILLING THEM WILL END IT.

>>105891782
>It's spelled hobbyist, you brown faggot
Only a retard can't figure more than one way to spell a word
--Mark Twain.
One of our american saints.

What colour are my eyes
<---------------------

>>105891775
I do remember and I am equally mad.

>>105891785
That is correct:
Since white faggots refuse to mass revoke their copyright license from Linus et el:
Only Killing will stop this.

Linus has broken the promise he made when this started.
He said that linux was about working on older systems, compatability.
Hobbiests.
Freedom
Freedom of speech.
Honouring the programmers.
Security.

ALL of that is gone.
He tricked us all.
He has to be killed.

>>105891789
>>>105891775 (You)
>I do remember and I am equally mad.
I'm glad someone does.
It's like we're living in Animal Farm.

And for the same reasons

>>105891679
Who is "we"?

>>105891866
Weiße people :^)
>captcha POOPN

>>105891752
>68k still supported
>386 weenies piss and shit themselves
just make a new gmail and don't talk about jew in fucking lkml spacky
it's not hard
toaster mac niggas stay winning

>>105890856
DVD-RAM uses multi session block writing like a hard drive, not packet writing. Literally no-one uses this feature anymore

>>105891783
>>105891786
>tranny phenotype

>>105892213
has anyone itt even said they use it? this thread is quite the shit-show. for some reason a bunch of people apparently thought cd/dvd support was being removed entirely, then there's some who thought it was all writing, then a couple who mistook it for multi-session, and none that i can see that specifically say they use the thing actually being removed. then mikee shows up to put the cherry on this shit thread

>majority of this thread has no clue what this was even actually used for
>half the thread thinks it was something else entirely
>uhh but trannies!!!
Really speaks volumes as to your true agenda

>>105892288
>a bunch of people
Call them what they are – retards.

>>105892315
well i could understand mistaking this for multi-session, if you don't know how it works you could think it was describing that. that and chances are anybody who has used it probably hasn't done it in a long time. i don't remember the last time i did a multi-session cd-r, but it was probably over 15 years ago

>>105892288
No, of course none of the retards sperging out itt use it, they've never used it, and they no longer even use the features they're mistaking this for. Even twenty years ago this was an incredibly niche usecase, by the time Windows implemented native support it was practically dead. Packet writing can be implemented in userspace anyway if anyone really decides they want it.

>>105891775
>when Linus chased Grsecurity away in 2008 at the behest of the United States government.
Qrd on this?

Psst, no one wants (You) to know that you can keep a Win7/10 PC that's unhooked from the web for legacy applications like reading and archiving optical disks. You don't have to do it all on one Linux machine at all costs.

>>105894564
>legacy applications like reading and archiving optical disks
Why would you need Windows 7 for that? You can still do that in Linux.

>>105895105
>implying the fudster knows what he's talking about

>>105886491
CMC Pro (Powered by Taiyo Yuden Technology)
Maybe DataLifePlus isn't actually that bad but the stuff you don't have to go out of your way to get is definitely on the decline. This is a great article if you want to go down a rabbit hole https://alex-free.github.io/psx-cdr/

>>105891731
>Then Linus stabbed us all in the back.
>He needs to be killed.
Nice actionable threats you are making over here, dear X11Libre bigot nazifriend nocoder. Hope you are preparing for a long stay in jail

>>105893982
>>when Linus chased Grsecurity away in 2008 at the behest of the United States government.
>Qrd on this?
seconded

>>105895600
>X11Libre bigot nazifriend nocoder
Today I read an article that said a lead dev of xlibre was a nazi. When I researched his name I found that this "nazi lead dev person" doesn't even exist.
https://www.memesita.com/xlibre-the-politically-charged-fork-of-x-org-and-the-rise-of-wayland/
>Xlibre’s project lead, Ben Coppersmith, isn’t exactly subtle. His political leanings – explicitly alt-right – have sparked outrage and accusations of hijacking a supposed open-source effort. Let’s be clear: it’s disturbing, and trust is being severely strained.
Who are you people? Who is Ben Coppersmith? He definitely is not the project lead. And what nazi shit did he say? Where is at least 1 (one) quote? Or a screenshot? Like, anywhere!?!?!?!?!?!?!
I also again looked up what bigot means, and the translation into german seems alright. It's okay to be bigot, methinks. And when you look up what Google AI says it is, it reads like it's talking about the people calling people bigots:
>a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
Is this supposed to look like a joke?

>>105895940
ben coppersmith? i thought the lead was enrico "metux" weigelt.
>it reads like it's talking about the people calling people bigots
i know, right?

>>105895600
>Nice actionable threats you are making over here, dear X11Libre bigot nazifriend nocoder. Hope you are preparing for a long stay in jail
I'll kill you too, dipshit fuck
>NOO U MUST NOT MAKE THREATS.
I will not obey you.

I will kill your proxies (police, whomever) you send: do you understand dipshit?
Do you?
And then I'll kill you.

Notice how white faggots seethe at death threats;
everything else washes off their backs;
but when a death threat is issued to them:
they seethe: "Oh no, I have been found out"
"HOW DARE YOU MAKE A DEATH THREAT AGAINST ME"
"IT IS __ACTIONABLE__!!!" "YOUR WORDS AND PROMISES ARE ACTIONABLE!"
"MY GOD: THE US GOVERNMENT: WILL NOW ACCOST YOU"

Go fuck yourself woman.
Shame your rapist didn't kill you dead so you wouldn't bother all men from now on.

>>105895600
Everything washes off the back of a white faggot;
except a death threat.
Then the white pauses; as if thinking "oh no, I've been found out!"

For whites are death: they have no kids, they kill what few babies they concieve, they worship a castrator god named Jesus (matthew 19, greek).

>>105895600
>Nice actionable threats you are making over here, dear X11Libre bigot nazifriend nocoder. Hope you are preparing for a long stay in jail

Make sure you let Linus know, woman.
He has his 30 pieces of silver.
All it cost everyone else was every productive good year of their waking lives.

>>105898915
>And then I'll kill you.
You ain't finna do shit chud

>>105891774
>that pic
KEK

stupid dumb schizo scum

>>105899084
> stupid dumb schizo scum

>Doesn't call a liar.

>>105891242
no experience with this specifically but i've been looking into userspace drivers in linux because of tinygrad's userspace GPU compute driver
it would probably be done over a generic PCI/sata driver
>What if I boot up the Linux kernel alone, without a GUI.
>Would the driver in userspace be loaded then already? Or could it?
yes
>Is the login shell I'm seeing already userspace?
because yes
you'd probably have your init (PID 1) which is probably systemd start the userspace driver as a service

you could also do a dkms module which is an external kernel driver because you can just do that they just break easily

Why is this guy screaming at himself to derail the thread? Why would someone COINTELPRO a thread unless the topic threatened them somehow?

>>105885596
Corporations pay salaries to their devs just so they support the Linux drivers that the corpo uses. Why don't you do this aswell?

>>105886017
Too bad nobody cares.

This thread is perfect representation of brownoids who think that x11libre is a good thing

>>105886009
As someone who loves his Dreamcast and played the shit out of it as a kid, I say you're full of shit. I never liked the noise of the drive overlaying the game sound, especially when the media layout wasn't optimized and the fucking thing just went back and forth repeatedly during play (common with pirated games on CDR). And that's on top of the rather audible fan. You're letting your nostalgia take over.

>>105900003
Because no-one ever really used this feature

>>105898915
your threats against me aren't actionable because you have no idea who I am. The ones against Linus are actionable.

The fact that you make actionable threats agains Linux and not actionable threats against me shows how a pussy you are, and how your words don't have any consequences because you are a sore loser. Doesn't matter: this line of defense (I'm a loser I really didn't mean to..) wouldn't stand in court, because we are really judging your intentions and not your ability to make it really happen. Enjoy your jailtime dear X11Libre bigot nazifriend nocoder.

>US feds
You are German, nazifriend, "pœttering" cannot be typed like that on US keyboards

>>105885092 (OP)
its ogre