>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (13/14th gen -K CPU BIOS update required)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: Acer XV271U M3, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>> >>105870415

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>105891488

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super rumors: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: current 9070 prices in the US are too close to the 9070XT's.

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?usp=sharing

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

I wanted to make new thread. anyway

AMD shills bfto

>>105896597
You can make the next one.

I think there are a lot of people force OLEDmeme here.
But even with 4080/7800x3d, I can't afford OLED, the cheapest OLED monitors cost more than 2 thousand dollars. Surprised.

how come cases look like this nowadays?
read: kinda gay
i was wanting to put a server in my old case and buy a new one, but new cases look like pic related instead of the brutalist monument of my 15 year old case

>>105896632
>the cheapest OLED monitors cost more than 2 thousand dollars.
no they don't

incel inside

>>105896634
There's Fractal Pop Silent & Fractal Define if you don't give a fuck about airflow.

>>105896647
AI is one big meme. Billions of dollars wasted on OpenAI infrastructure just to say "4090 is the best GPU in 2025" because the training data does know the 5090 yet.

>>105896634
I have this Phanteks Enthoo case ordered for a build I'm putting together, the version without the gay window.

https://www.newegg.ca/phanteks-atx-full-tower-enthoo-pro-steel-plastic-computer-case-black-ph-es614pc-bk/p/N82E16811854004?item=N82E16811854004

my DDR4 GSKILL ripjaws V 3200mT/s CL16 ram shat the bed. What should I get? I'm on ryzen.

>>105896767
Are you sure it's not the other components that died? DRAM is pretty resilient.
You might as well buy an upgrade.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rTkWGX/pny-xlr8-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-md32gk2d4360018lp

>>105896634
LoL i have this exact 903 max

>>105896650
> Fractal Pop Silent
> Fractal Define
>>105896684
> Phanteks Enthoo
It's funny that they cost about 2 times more than this montech

>>105896636
> no they don't
They do.

>>105896792
it keeps throwing ram errors in memtest, errors that don't show up with my slower spare ram sticks. I'm getting a new CPU (5700x3d) too.
Think I'll buy 3600mhz CL16 32GB (I need it for minecraft mods), think I'll go corsair LPX this time, 2 of my spare ram sticks are from them and they're fine.

>>105896767
> What should I get
> DDR4
New PC

>>105896866
I'm autistic and want a 5700x3d.

>>105896855
not only is your ram causing errors and you need new ram, and then you buy another am4 cpu

how about buy an am5 mobo, 32gb of ddr5 and some actually deccent cpu for am5

I am torn between 9070/xt and 5070/ti, how is FSR support compared to DLSS? the cheapest 5070ti here is $100 more compared to 9070xt and regular 9070 also $100 more compared to 5070.

>>105896892
Any game that supports DLSS and Reflex also supports FSR4 and AntiLag2 because of Optiscaler. Vice versa for FSR/Xess/TAAU games. The exception are games with kernel level anti cheats and I mean really bad ones like worse than Korean because Optiscaler works for gook gacha but not for Marvel Rivals.

>>105896892
5xxx from Nvidia has too many driver issues on Windows and Linux avoid unless you want to RMA.

I will never need more than 8gb vram and 6 cores. Cope and seethe.

>>105896879
> I'm autistic and want a 5700x3d.
You need at least 7800x3d

>>105896890
>how about buy an am5 mobo, 32gb of ddr5 and some actually deccent cpu for am5
getting am5 at this point is pretty much dumb. might as well wait on am6 for upgrade. am5 is overpriced as shit with no real extra features vs am4. unless you need ddr5 speeds stick to am4.

>>105896890
I was planning the upgrade and this happened at the same time. I don't have the money for a full new build right now.
>>105896971
Go back shill.

>>105896892
5070 ti is best option if you play video games using upscalers, use RT/path tracing, do producitivity stuff, use AI applications with cuda, softwre feature support in the future

>>105896942
> I will never need more than 8gb vram and 6 cores. Cope and seethe.
Do you want to go to war and die soon?

Sup anons.
I have about 1300 Euros to upgrade my PC.
Area is Eurozone but not EU.

Purpose is 1080p gaming on ultra with ray tracing: stuff like Cyberpunk 2077, Oblivion Remaster, Doom and future titles.

My general idea:

RTX 5070 12Gb ~700 EUR, just appeared on market here

i7-12700K ~300 EUR

Gigabyte/ASUS B760 Motherboard (D4/DDR4) ~160 EUR

DDR4 32Gb 3600MHz CL16 I already have, so I plan on reusing it

Some new CPU Cooler like be quiet! Rock for ~50EUR


Thoughts?


Some more details:

I'm not comfortable switching monitors to 1440p, but maybe sometime in the future.
Current i7 7700K + GTX 1060 served me well, but can only deliver dogshit performance.

I also dabbled a bit in LLMs but didn't like the drivers they required at the time, so that is also a small factor: AFAIK they only work on NVIDIA.

I'm planning to move my current Win10 OS to new PC (I was moving and upgrading it since XP), so I prefer intel CPU, but I can be convinced to switch to AMD if it'd be beneficial.

>>105896818
>It's funny that they cost about 2 times more than this montech
You have to pay more to avoid the gamer vomit cases.

>bought g6 VA
>it had few dead pixels so I had it repaired
>I check it after a year or so, again see couple dead sub-pixels

what is it with panel makers not being able to fix the dead subbies

>>105896976
I really don't care for or need AM5 or most new hardware. I want the 5700x3d because it seems cool and interesting and most of my games will run better (I play old CPU limited games mostly, only GPU limited game I play is minecraft with sahders and that gets 100fps), I need a new cooler for the CPU too and honestly I want a quieter cooler. It just happened that my ram killed itself, I might as well get something at 3600mT/s

>>105896979
> Go back shill.
Go get a job, poorfag

>>105896988
what mobo/cpu you currently have?

>>105896556 (OP)
Pre-built options?

>>105897006
get a sh big air cooler. got a dark rock pro for like $35 or smth

>>105897025
Intel I7-7700K (4 cores/8 threads), ASUS Prime Z270-A.

>>105896988
RT isn't worth spending 700EUR for a 5070 12GB.

>>105896988
> I have about 1300 Euros
The average salary in Germany is 8 thousand euros per month, at least that's what all the newspapers in free Europe tell me, which also tell about bloody dictators.


Anyway

> i7-12700K ~300 EUR
Bad idea.
A very old processor, weak and without prospects.
> RTX 5070
Good.

> DDR4
Its 2025 man

> Current i7 7700K
Listen, why don't you just buy a 5070?

>>105897048
usecase for ddr5?

>>105896997
> You have to pay more to avoid the gamer vomit cases.
This whats makes me sad

This montech is good though

>>105897034
> Pre-built
Retard alert

>>105897056
6400 is bigger number than 3200

>>105897056
> usecase for ddr5?
modern games need 32 gigabytes, even 64 will become the norm soon. In general, prices for ddr 5 have already fallen and ddr 4 is becoming more expensive, so there is no point in holding on to it.

>>105897073
sorry I do not speak retard

>>105897080
am5 cost adds up, motherboard, cpu, ram, and you don't get a much improved experience on it (or literally any depending on usecase). it's just not worth it for the money

>>105897048
>Germany
Well I said not in EU...

>very old processor
I don't see anything new equal to it on my budget. Any AMD I can buy for ~300, would be slower.

>its 2025
I don't feel like it's worth it but sure, It's like 150-180EUR I can probably squeeze it in.

>Listen, why don't you just buy a 5070?
Well I am planning to get GPU first, to try out drivers and stuff. I'm almost 100% sure i7 would bottleneck it even in 1080p though.

>>105897040
What's the alternative for ray tracing? 4070 TI is like 1000EUR or more here. I am not happy with VRAM decisions Nvidia is making for consumer segment, but it is what it is.

>>105896892
DLSS still substantially better than fsr4, optiscaler can make a game crash prone.
Framegen realistically only usable when gpu limited on Nvidia
Ray reconstruction
RT performance.
RTX NTC soon

>>105897119
It seems to me that it's easier for you to buy a 5070 (you need to see the tests to see if there will be a bottleneck, but in theory there shouldn't be) and only then upgrade to am5. Buying Intel's 12th generation now is just a waste of money.

>>105897080
>modern games need 32 gigabytes
They do not. You can still play 98% of whats coming out with 8gb

>>105897162
But I want to play half of the 2% that happen to run better with even more than 16 GB.

>>105897080
>prices for ddr 5 have already fallen and ddr 4 is becoming more expensive
cheapest ddr4 64gb:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XKbCmG/patriot-viper-steel-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr4-3600-cl18-memory-pvs464g360c8k
3600mhz
and cheapest 6400mhz:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dXyH99/teamgroup-t-create-expert-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6400-cl34-memory-ctced564g6400hc34bdc01

almost double the price. shit's retarded. and your statement

>>105897190
Name one that isn't Microsoft Flight Sim

>>105896925
> driver issues on Windows
Not the 5070 Ti on Windows 10. I would have noticed.

>>105897220
NTA but EFT eats ~22gb on my PC unless I run external ram cleaner.

>>105896892
> $100 more
Absolutely worth it. I wouldn't pay 300 more but 100-150 is well worth all the benefits a GeForce provides. It only depends on what you can afford.

>>105897264
I gagged reading your comment. weird

>>105896634
Better?

>>105897220
Cities: Skylines with only the essential mods.

>>105897268
Could you please permanently fuck off from these threads
they're for advicing people how to spend thousands of dollars of money on a pc
they're not about your particular mental illness

I have a Ryzen 5600x and a 3070 ti and can play most games at high settings no problem. However I play with Ai now and then and really want 16 or 24gb of vram.

So ideally I would get a 5070 ti but they are more than I would pay. $1200 ish in Canadian

I think instead I will just upgrade to an M5 socket this year, ddr5 ram and a faster cpu then get a gpu when the price drops a bit more

Thanks for reading my blog frens

>>105897022
I did.
>>105897038
I'm getting an NH-U12A

What's a decent ITX or SFF motherboard to pair with a 3400G? I've been considering either Asrock's DeskMini and DeskMeet, but I've also eyeballed some proprietary Dell, HP, and Lenovo boards on Ebay. Kinda thinking I want to try and make a lunchbox PC for fun. Also wouldn't hurt to ask, even if it's a bit /diy/, but what's the best 1080p screen and driver board to pair it with?

>>105897022
Is it seriously $21/hr to work at mcdonalds now
wtf

>>105897371
Just wait for 5070ti super 24gb in janurary
You should wait for am6 as well it's going to be out in 2027 anyway.

>>105897624
It's like $12/hr in my city. That is a high col area.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6nKV9C
>managed to get the white version of this black ram
How does this rate?

>>105897625
Why are they making these super cards? It's not like 50 series isn't selling

I did it guys I ordered all the parts for my new pc. I've been wanting to do this for about a year now and I've had this specific plan for about 8 months.

It all cost me just over $1000 dollars. I'm quite nervous, I've never done anything like this beyond swapping out RAM sticks. Wish me luck bros.

>>105896855
Well, RIPJAWS are built for Intel....
>(FLARES are built for AMD).

>>105897754
I just spent about $4,500 buying all of the parts for the first new computer I'm building in about a decade.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6nKV9C
>got the white ram instead of the black listed here

>>105897775
Holy guacamole, that's a lot of cheddar. I feel a bit bad dropping 1k like this, but I used my last pc for 7 years and 1k for something I'll use every day for at least 7 years seems like a good deal in that context.

>>105897775
9900x? Should have gotten the 9950x3d or 9800x3d

>>105897775
why that cpu?

>>105897775
8 case fans for a mico atx case?

>>105897671
Because new product must release every year. The quick rundown is they were already supposed to have the 3mb gddr7 modules but samsung couldn't produce them in time for launch so these cards were cucked on release with the 2gb modules. They were already supposed to have that much vram.

is removing dust filter mesh from front intake on a PC a good idea if the mesh obstructs airflow of the front fans anyway?

>>105896767
I had a kit of DDR4 ripjaws die on me too.
I blame the awful reused DDR3 heatspreaders that don't make contact with half of half of the memory ICs. More like heat coffins.

>Also the one thing SSD's are terrible at, is frequent overwrites, which is funny because SSD's are always used as the OS drive which is frequently overwritten
Can someone explain this? I thought you were supposed to put your OS on the fastest drive? Is that not true? Should I get an HDD just for my OS?

>>105897775
How do you fit a 5090 in a mini tower? Why are you doing a mini in the first place?

>>105897986
>Should I get an HDD just for my OS?
no

>>105898016
Than why did that other anon say not to use an SSD for OS drive?

>>105898032
because he's retarded. you will find a lot of retarded people on pcbg

>>105898032
he's a retard
I've installed windows 10 and 11 on HDDs
If you've got an hour to spare you can too

>>105898045
So I just have to accept that it's going to kill my drive sooner to get faster loading times?

>>105898063
you'll have to accept modern software requires modern hardware

>>105897162
> They do not.

just install windows on a RAID 0 10,000 RPM HDD stripe for speed

>>105897624
> Is it seriously $21/hr to work at mcdonalds now
> wtf
But you need 57/hr to get a home. Work harder

>>105897855
I spend like $800 on my am4 machine in 2020 and have sense spent another like $1000 in upgrades. Current rig only really has the same motherboard, 2 sticks of ram, and boot nvme. Literally everything else has been changed. I will never buy intel again since they seem to only keep a socket for like 2 years. I don't give a shit how good nova lake is supposed to be.

>>105897955
It's a personal preference.
If you're prioritizing airflow, get the dust filter out (but clean your case a bit more often).

>>105898165
>I don't give a shit how good nova lake is supposed to be.
I doubt it will be better than Zen 6's non-X3D chips

>>105897624
its not full time, its part time. you're basically making $80 a day and working only 3-4 days a week.

>>105897625
ah good to know

Is it better to get a Ryzen 7700 or a i5 14600kf now? Or should I get the i5 14400f instead since it's so cheap rn?
Will be getting a 5070 also

How long do you guys think the AM5 socket will be good for? There are AM4 cpus out there that are still very good.

>>105898433
AMD committed to support the platform until 2027, so i think realistically its gonna be good for at least 2030 just simply by using whatever their last gen cpu that would be released on 2027.
for example, you can still be fine upgrading ur old am4 board cpu to r7 5800x3d which is still really good for at least 3 more years. i think u can expect the same with the am5

>>105898467
Like isn't the 9950x3d the fastest cpu out there? I'm still on a i5-8400 when, if ever, was that considered fast?

>>105898398
>Will be getting a 5070 also
>12gb vram
>$550
Wait for the 5070 super 18gb

>>105898266
That sounds terrible and you go home smelling like goybean oil

>>105898493
next gen 10950x3d will have much higher clockspeeds, higher IPC and 50% more L3 cache and cores than the 9950x3d.

>>105896942
Based. 4k cucks btfo.

>>105898493
i5 8400 was considered "best value" cpu just like how 2500k, 3570 and how r5 3600/r5 5600 was.
i believe we might see r9 11950x3d for the am5 but i dont have orb to scry

>>105898493
iirc 8400 is equivalent to ryzen 3600. at least thats what I remember from rpcs3.

>>105898547
I'm just curious becasue at first I was gonna go with the 5800x3d. It would be able to do everything I want and more. But people said that I should go with the 7800x3d becasue I'd be able to upgrade it. I'm just wondering how long I'll be able to upgrade it.

>>105897080
>modern games need 32 gigabytes
there has never been a optimized game that would use that much unless you are in some whizzbang game engine or editor

>>105898500
Ok. But what do you think cpu-wise?

>>105898590
you will be able to upgrade to the 2 generations newer 10800x3d as am5 is due for one more generation of cpus in late 2026
IMO 5800x3d is already showing its age because of its weaker singlethread performance where even the non-3d 7600x and 9600x performs on par with that cpu.

>>105898590
5800x3d = 7700x
am4 is a dead platform so get am5

>>105898617
The 7800x3d is in the mail. It's already been ordered.

>>105898632
okay then

I'm running a 12600K and thinking about moving up to a 14700K or 14900K. I have more than enough PSU and cooling for even the 14900K and my motherboard supports up to 14th gen with updates to avoid cooking my CPU.
I'm just not super sure a few more cores a lot more cache and nearly flat base core speed is worth $500 (for the 14900)

I have 3080 so I don't have a sub $1500 GPU upgrade path.

I was wondering if anyone has done an upgrade from 12600 to a 14 series and how they felt about it.
The money isn't super hard for me I just don't want to be wasteful.

>>105897955
>is removing dust filter mesh from front intake on a PC a good idea if the mesh obstructs airflow of the front fans anyway?
A clean filter should have nearly no drop in airflow. As it works you need to replace or clean it. Although that's more true for building HVAC than tiny PC demands. I'd leave the filter on and just let your fans run faster. My computer has years of operation and almost no dust on any internal parts thanks to my filters.

>>105898754
It's roughly 20% better. its noticeable but not exactly a huge jump. If you were getting 100fps for 1% lows before then that 20% now pushes you to 120hz Vsync rate.

>>105898754
14900k is alright if you don't mind the heat from it using 150-220W in heavy games

>>105898754
14900K isn't worth the money if you don't need all those e-cores.
An OC'd 13600K or 14600K has enough thermal headroom to nearly match an OC'd 14900K's gaming performance.

Do the upgrade to 14th gen if there's a fantastic deal on the 14600K or the 14700K.

>>105898606
A cheaper am5 is a good move because when am6 comes out you can upgrade like everybody did with am4 to 5700/5800x3ds on the cheap. I would also consider a 9070xt unless you're looking to do stable diffusion or something.

>>105898826
>>105898834
>>105898857
My fear is that with no production the price is going to rise before or maybe with never having a really good deal.

>>105898908
Fuck intel

>>105898908
If you're in the US, you can get a 14700K for $310; it went on sale for $211 for a very limited time once.
That all-time low pricing probably won't come back.
You can get a 14600K for $220 (B&H).

I doubt the 14900K/S is worth buying for the "best in socket" resale value since this gen is tainted from the degradation fiasco.

>>105898908
fwiw the 14900k wont even be the best cpu for lga1700. the 12 p-core version of the 14900k is expected to launch in 3-6 months

Completed it on Intel Arc.

>>105899124
id be more impressed if you could complete 2000s and 1990s game on arc

Orc feed other orc with grenade... then it exploded. Jesus.

>>105899133
Should be okay with DXVK and DGVoodoo? GTA 4 basically needs the former for all GPUs and it's a 360/ps3 game.

>>105899133
Quake 3 works. Left 4 dead too. I ran other dx9 games they works.

>>105899201
Enclave, Soverence Blade Of Darkness, Rune i completed on Nvidia. Maybe Harry Potter the one i skipped.

>>105898518
Who cares, the graphics card will still be the bottleneck.

I just found out that Viewsonic still makes monitors. Are they good? I only want one if they still put the little birds on it.

That takes me back to our family computer that we had down in our unfinished basement. It had a big ass crt with three little birds on it and I always liked them

>>105899401
only if you use poorfag gpus

Which of these two would be better as a second monitor? both are around $180
MSI MAG 275QF
ASUS TUF VG27AQZ1A

>>105899426
Asia is Viewsonic's main hunting grounds. Their options in NA vs Asia is world's apart.

Looking for recommendations on the following:

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/wj9HTM

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8 Core AM5 Processor
Gigabyte B850 Gaming X WiFi6E AM5 ATX Motherboard
Thermalright Frozen Infinity 360 Black AIO CPU Cooler
Corsair 32GB (2x16GB) Vengeance RGB CL36 6000MHz DDR5 RAM
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 5080 WindForce OC SFF 16G Graphics Card
Crucial P3 Plus 2TB CT2000 P3PSSD8 PCIe Gen4 M.2 2280 NVMe SSD
Corsair RM1000e 1000W 80+ Gold ATX 3.1 Fully Modular Power Supply
DeepCool CG530 4F TG ATX Case
Thermalright TL-M12R-S Reverse ARGB Fan

2,716 USD

Any suggestions to change? Thinking might go a 5070ti to save some bucks.
Just game on 1440. But also wouldnt mind playing a few titles on the 4k TV

>>105899588
Do the ones in Asia have the cute little birds on them?

>>105899626
I'd build it this way

>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/thNV9C

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 4.7 GHz 8-Core Processor
Thermalright Frozen Infinity 360 ARGB 68.9 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Gigabyte B850 AORUS ELITE WIFI7 ATX AM5 Motherboard
Klevv FIT V 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory
Samsung 990 Pro w/Heatsink 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive
Asus PRIME GeForce RTX 5070 Ti 16 GB Video Card
Deepcool CG530 4F ATX Mid Tower Case
Corsair RM850x (2024) 850 W Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Should I buy intel-aviv gen 13-14 cpus in present day?

>>105899926
only if you already have a lga 1700 board and want to gamble a cpu dying on (you)
anyone not retarded should have gone 12th gen>some am5 cpu anyway

>>105900022
I thought it was fixed?
didnt they say so?

>>105896556 (OP)
>https://borecraft.com/
>WD SA510 2TB/4TB still good (960GB+ SanDisk Ultra)
Is this still true? That is, is the 2/4TB SA510 (WDS200T3B0A) still using the old SM controller with DRAM? I know the 1TB and below are DRAM-less garbage.

>>105900033
a company trying to not get sued says a lot of things

>>105899926
even without the degradation problem, i7 and i9 cpus from those two generations are terrible products to buy because of how power hungry they are.

>>105900033
It just degrades slowly enough to not be a problem within a reasonable timeframe, for a new processor. But those updates won't undo any damage already done.

>>105899926
An i7 (or lower) is okay if it's new in box and cheap enough to offset the load power consumption (but consider idle consumption is better than AMD) and you undervolt the bitch. Do NOT buy an i9. I undervolted my 13700K from day one and haven't experienced any instability for >2 years.

Mine apparently has an aggressive margin, I have it running stable with I think -130mV (or was it -150? I forget) adaptive plus the motherboard's VRM undervolt. Max voltage reading in hwinfo64 is around 1.4V. No errors in Prime95/OCCT, and nominal performance. Before I also had a 1.3V VRM limit on it, but I had to remove that because the newer microcode now takes the VRM limit as an absolute cap and massively gimps performance with a hard limit that low, even set to 1.45V there's a slight loss in performance, it only normalizes at around 1.5V, so with the microcode hard limit being 1.55V there's no real point in using the feature.

I learned way more than I ever wanted to about load lines and vdroop figuring out this bitch back in 2023/24. Buildzoid's video series on it was invaluable.

>come back after a year
>OP actually has reasonable recommendations (i'd personally include the Core Ultras for workstation but YMMV)
>not a massive amount of shitflinging about MUH AMD or MUH NVIDIA
i like this version of /pcbg/

>>105899560
They both sucks, golden era of good panels is over.
>msi top
>asus buttom

>>105901517
Usecase for taking over exposed pictures of your monitor in a dark room?

>>105899560
>>105901517
For second monitor i would buy used one of theese:
LG 24MP48HQ-P
Dell SE2425H
Samsung S24F350F

>>105899926
they can be better value if you find a good deal
intel have been shitting out bundles and discounts lately

so i finished setting up my build with 9950x3d
got 140 singlecore and 2360 multicore in cinebench 2024
seems fine

wtf is pbo, should i turn it on?
multicore bench was running at ~77c, i was expecting more

>>105901647
just run it stock. you won't miss anything from avoiding pbo

>>105901411
the resident shill and anti shill annihilated each other about a month ago

>>105896892
>I am torn between 9070/xt and 5070/ti

Same here.
there are several options availiable:

1) 5070ti: ~770-800€
2) 5070: ~520-550€
3) 9070xt: ~690-710€
4) 9070: ~690-710€
5) used 3080: ~300-350€

ALL OF THESE OPTIONS SUCK.
5070ti costs 50% more than 5070, while only giving like 20% more performance. 5070 has good price, but only 12gb and mediocre specs.
9070xt still cost over msrp (unlike 5070/5070ti).

This entire gen (both from amd and nYidia) feels like total scam and just begs to be skipped. Especially considering the fact that nv 60xx/udna1 will most likely come on 2nm node, which will make this gen complete garbage in comparison.

>>105896892
if you're hardware savvy, get the 9070 and do the unlimited power mod that gives +35% perf. if not, just get the 5070ti
>>105901905
the 3080 seems like an unbeatable deal. just make sure its an msi gaming trio/suprim or asus tuf/strix and not a gigabyte/zotac/evga

>>105901905
>nv 60xx/udna1 will most likely come on 2nm node, which will make this gen complete garbage in comparison.
Can't wait for 6090 to cost 3k to 4k at msrp with final store price being 5k

>I am torn between 9070/xt and 5070/ti

Same here.
there are several options availiable:

1) 5070ti: ~770-800€
2) 5070: ~520-550€
3) 9070xt: ~690-710€
4) 9070: ~590-600€
5) used 3080: ~300-350€

ALL OF THESE OPTIONS SUCK.
5070ti costs 50% more than 5070, while only giving ~20% more performance. 5070 has good price, but only 12gb and mediocre specs.
9070xt still cost over msrp (unlike 5070/5070ti).

This entire gen (both from amd and nYidia) feels like total scam and just begs to be skipped. Especially because nv 60xx/udna1 will most likely come on 2nm node, which will make this gen complete garbage in comparison.

>>105897232
It does

>>105901905
Nvidia has too much driver issues that are not resolved and with no ETA so don't buy them because why you would you buy a dxgi brick on Windows and a kernel brick on Linux????????????????? Actually think instead of just using YouTube & Google & Chatgpt like a brainrot child otherwise this is prebuilt Dell general

No offense

>>105901929
>not a gigabyte

gigabyte has aorus lineup, it's just as good as top of the line asus/msi. and on the low end their windforce isn't significanly worse than ventus/shadow.

>>105901986
their gaming oc and aero oc has crazy high failure rates. aorus just has a shitty cooler compared to asus/msi/evga counterparts (though evga has reliability issues too)

>>105901938
>Can't wait for 6090 to cost 3k to 4k at msrp with final store price being 5k

People who are buying x090/titan cards will easiy buy 6090 for 5k. I've seen so many posts earlier this year about 5090 being a bargain even @ $5k, because they use it for work tasks as well. Even nvidia positions x090 cards as entry level workstation/productivity solutions.
Lower tier cards being overpriced and cut down to 50% of the flagship (like 5080 compared to 5090) is a bigger problem. Some anons here were actually buying scalped 9070xt for 900-1000 bucks back in march, because of muh tarrifs. This is completely fucked up.

>>105902099
Would be hilarious if the 6090 will only be 15 - 20% better than the 5090 as well. It's not like nvidia really needs to care about the enduser market with data centers carrying them and people will buy anyway.

I hate these things so much

>>105902133
next gen will be on N3P or N2P. its possible they'll do that but its likelier for them to make a 600mm2 die that's 50% more powerful than the 5090 and pass the cost down to their customers

>>105901943
>Nvidia has too much driver issues that are not resolved
Only in your mind. Works on my machine and 92% of other machines.

Imagine amds next gen 10900XTX. This will probably be the only good product for 4k gaming.

>>105902143
my case only has power button connectors

>>105902229
Sounds like bloat since you can just set it to always turn on when plugged in

>>105902223
AMD has next gen won
10800X3D+10900XTX
They both have next gen sam sync technology to pair even better than Intel+Nvidia, AMD+Nvidia, or any other combo.

Why the fuck is used part pricing so retarded. Mongloids are selling their used decade old CPU and Mobo for $80 off a completely new 3 piece combo at micro-center. Do people actually buy this dogshit or do these people just eventually forget they listed it for these retarded prices and throw it away?

>>105896942
>I will never need more than 8gb vram and 6 cores. Cope and seethe.
Smells like fucking broke in here

>>105902375
>10800X3D 1k $ pleasr
>10900XTX 5k dorrars
Buy more to save more

>>105902143
i only use the switches and ignore the leds

>>105902492
>nose ring

>>105902492
Try $500+$999

>>105902453
You're supposed to talk them down
If they refuse they're just retarded

>>105902508
+39% lisa private yacht tax
+50% tax
+20% inflation tax
+30% tariffs tax
+100% scalper tax
+60% epstein island tax

>>105902628
radeon has negative brand value so, -80% desired price

i just got a gigabyte FO27Q3. Are the default settings already perfect or you can make it look even better?

Would pairing a 9060 xt with a Ryzen 5 5600 be acceptable for a casual 1080p gaming build? It's going to be an AM4 system because I'm reusing the motherboard from my previous old build.

>>105902133

6090>5090 performance upfilt being that low is unlikely, unless nYidia intends to ressurect Titan cards as an additional tier above xx90. They indeed have to gimp new gen cards slightly in order to "reserve" some performance for super/ti/ti super cards and maintain 1-year production cycle.
But node shrink from 5nm to 2nm alone will result in absolutely MASSIVE EPIC gains, both in performance uplift and power consumption efficiency. Also new gen (most likely) will have vram with way better specs, because current gddr7 modules on blackwell cards only have 28 gbps data transfer rate, which is rock bottom for gddr7.

it's not unreasonable to expect 6070ti being very close or equal to 5090, with way better power efficiency and lower price (and with less vram, of course). Everything points towards 60xx gen being new 10xx in terms of generational uplift of performance.
Blackwell is the only gen in recent history when node shrink didn't really happen that's why it IS the worst nvidia gen in recent history.

>>105902223
>>105902375
>10900XTX

more like they will cuck out again in the last moment
>umm, sowwy guys we ACKshually decided to not compete with nvidia in top segment again, here's your 10700xt with non-existant msrp, hehe lmoa

it's very AyyMD-ish, just like them cancelling their events and scapping everything in panic minutes after jensen enters the stage and starts talking.
Not really their fault though, one cannot easily compete against the most valuable company in the world.

>>105902708
yes

>>105902714
it dont matter. next gen sam is the future. like how ryzen like to run in 1:1 mode, now you have to run your cpu and gpu in 1:1 mode by using amd+amd.

>>105902715
Appreciate it, I was already like 90% sure I was ok. Just always good to get the final confirmation that I'm not doing something absolutely retarded. Cheers

>>105902714
Well let's see. I'm currently sitting on a 5090 cause I kinda had to upgrade for some recent games. If they're really that much better I'll just sell it and buy a 60 series once they release

>>105902595
I think they’re just retarded. Like I’ll give them a more than fair offer, and they won’t take it and then sometimes I’ll see them mark down the price below that offer months later lol. People are ridiculous

I hope AMD will have something that can compete against the 6090. I'm bored of Windows.

just reporting in during my break to let the zoomers know my tiny gpu is doing just fine thanks for asking

>>105902854
I'd be very tempted to make the switch if they can even make a GPU with 5090 performance but at only 400W of power draw

>>105902854
Just use seX

L-shaped motherboards where? I don't want to use a riser or anti-sag brackets

>>105897762
Werks on my (AMD) machine.

I need a 1080p productivity first and gaymen second setup what do u anons think of this setup

>>105903208
It looks fine. Update the board BIOS before you install the CPU.
You can buy a decent 180Hz 27" 1440p monitor at a similar/lower cost,

>>105903484
ty fren

>>105903208
Just bought the same mobo last week.

The built in audio is connected via usb instead of the chipset PCI interface and that caused problems for me that I was to lazy to troubleshoot so I just installed a PCI audio card .
Its a good board if your fine with USB audio though

>>105903523
You can also get a cheaper memory kit, Team Group is a reliable brand.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ctced532g6400hc32adc01

>>105903546
Realtek USB audio?

>>105903116
>L-shaped motherboards where?
Never, you'd need a daughter card or riser anyway.

>I don't want to use a riser or anti-sag brackets
Then get a horizontal case, here are some examples: https://pccores.com/gaming/cases/horizontal-pc-cases/
Be prepared for your wallet to bleed, it's an expensive rabbit hole.

>>105903546
hmm im considering of using an XLR mic with a separate audio interface for audio input and an IEM for audio output. Do you think I might have an issue/s with these?

>>105903571
Ya it shows up in the OS as a USB device and it had problems playing most media when I had support for sampling rates above 48 whatever'z enabled .

When I threw my trusty xonar dgx back in everything worked .

>>105903659
My mainboard uses that driver as well and I wasn't sure what to think of it as I had issues with my external DAC cause of DSP latency causing cracking and popping after prolonged use. I ended up disabling it in the bios and haven't had any audio issues ever since.

>>105903615
I think it has full functionality its just using a shity interface so you can probably make it work with but your OS might get confused before tweaking since computers don't usually have built in USB audio

>>105903659
ty for the heads up tho

My dust collector runs on Windows 7 with an Intel Core i5-4460, 16GB of DD3 and a GTX1070.
I really need to build something new.

https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/list/RVjnFZ
What do you think ?

>>105901825
they'll come back for the super refresh

>>105903559
not available in my country unfortunately

>>105903729
A sound card might not be necessary, and you might want to learn how to undervolt the Shadow video card because the fans run a bit loud (+2000 RPM gaming).

>>105903116
>i dont want to use a riser or anti-sag brackets
why not? its not a big deal, they're cheap as shit off ebay
www.ebay.com.au/itm/387826359200

>>105902886
it looks like your gpu is being molested by giant rape tentacles. Nobody said it wouldnt work fine, i said it just looked aesthetically bad considering the huge amount of work you have to put into making such a waterloop.

>>105897624
>$21 is good

Retard here, is it normal getting a newer GPU has much more impact on newer games than old(say Dx9)? Just wondering, I got my old PC a cheapo 12GB RTX 3060 to get some more life out of it, the improvement on old titles was noticeable but not as much as I expected but newer games(or older ones that have options for Dx10/11) that have much higher requirements saw a massive improvement compared to the old stuff.

>>105903955
You might be running in to other limits on the older games. This being an old rig, the CPU is most likely but the engine/software can limit you too.

>>105903955
older games you're going to limited by single thread performance

How long can I expect MemTest86 to run on two 32GB 3200MHz dimms and two 16GB dimms?

talk me out of building a 9800x3d system now with my 3070 and buying a better card next year

>>105904371
Around 2~4 hours, for the full suite of tests.
The stress test may continue to loop unless you exit the test.
This memory test isn't stressful enough to validate manual memory OC, but it's good enough to catch faulty hardware running at standard JEDEC specs.

>>105904418
Wait for Zen 6 if you don't need a new CPU atm. If you're worried about tariffs increasing prices, it's reasonable to buy a 9800X3D (do research whether CPUs will be affected by tariffs).
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-zen-6-cpu-samples-distributed-architecture-evolution-more-cores-per-ccd-new-dual-imc-design/

>4080 Super 16gb: ~1300 Eur
>5070 Ti 16gb: ~1000 Eur

Which is better if I'm building new PC?
I heard 5070 Ti doesn't support PhysX, as a demerit for some older games.
The game that motivated me to upgrade PC is Cyberpunk 2077, and with 4080 Super it seems I can actually use Path Tracing (Overdrive) to get comfortable FPS in 1080p/1440p while 5070 Ti can't do that.

Thoughts?

I just bought a crucial P3 310 4TB to have more storage for games
It is faster then my boot drive
Should I reinstall OS on the new faster SSD?
Does it matter?

>>105904899
In my experience it is better to keep OS & game storage devices physically separated. That is personal and professional experience (performance testing). If your OS is already on some kind of SSD, I would not worry about it unless this SSD is very old.

>>105902714
Current day Titans are the RTX PRO 6000/5000 ADA cards (well almost, Titans had 100% die enabled, and those have something like 97% enabled). So if there was a Titan card it would cost as much as those workstations cards or even more.
I actually wonder if the 5090 will retain its value like the 4090/3090. If the 6090 will be much faster and more power efficient than 5090, then 5090 which is huge, power hungry card might be not that desirable. Maybe it will be purchased for AI due to the bus memory width.

>>105904890
they perform almost the same

>>105905006
why would nvidia release a card much stronger than the previous flagship if they can just make one that is somewhat better and charge royal for it. They will get away with it as long as no one else bothers with the high end market.

>>105904890
5070ti is better especially for 300 euros less too. It's basically a repackaged 4080 super with meme gen and a "749.99" msrp

>>105904890
5070 Ti has plenty of OCing headroom to match a 4080 Super.
>You can also OC the 4080 Super
Not as much, the 300EUR extra cost isn't justified.

After installing my new GPU my PCIe WiFi network card isn't working
It also has Bluetooth and it's working but I think that works thru a USB header
MSI B450M a pro max something
R5 3600
RTX 5070
Anyone got any ideas?

>>105905094
Yea my bluetooth adapter wouldnt get recognized at one point under windows. After a bit of search someone suggested to turn off the PSU for 1 minute when the PC is shut down. For me it worked. Not sure if you also need to disable fast boot I always turn it off by default.

>>105905054
>>105905086
>>105905087
Thanks. I guess I'll buy rest of platform and see if price on 5000 series would settle. Maybe I could even get 5080 for ~1300 couple months later.

>>105905155
5070 Ti Super and 5080 Super with 24GB VRAM are rumored to release next year, Q1 is the most likely launch period.
Don't pay too much for the 16GB cards if you need to buy one soon.

>>105905319
I have vacation in September and plan to play the everliving shit out of it, so I want to get everything setup until then.

I want to upgrade my monitor to more pixels, if my current monitor has 2.3 million pixels and the monitor I want has 4.9 million will my fps get cut in half trying to run a game without lowering settings?

>>105897070
I mean, yeah, but I've seen pre-builts that were cheaper than the standalone GPU that they include. I know you're probably going to get a garbage motherboard, an underpowered PSU, outdated RAM, and a slow as balls SSD because the whole thing is marketed towards 12 year olds that only look at the GPU and some basic stats, but buying a prebuilt and upgrading a couple things after you really pull it apart might be more economical.

>>105903757
my mom said my gpu isnt small

>>105905678
>prebuilt
>upgrading
A lot of prebuilts use propietary components that cannot be easily upgraded.Years ago I made the mistake of getting a prebuild because I didn't want to bother building a new PC at the time and regretted it when I wanted to upgrade it. I had to practicqally rebuild the PC from scratch, the only standard components were CPU and old GPU, I had to throw out the PSU, mobo, even the case was impossible to reuse.

Why while all PC parts in Russia have competitive to Europe prices, OLED monitors are x3 in price ?

>>105905786
Funny that no one buys pre built in poor countries

>>105905903
Hard to put entire OLED monitor into ass of donkey traversing Altai mountains from Kazakhstan.

Hey lads, complete beginner to pc building, is this a good build? Is every part compatible?
Mainly looking for a gaming pc, budget is around 2000 euros.

>>105905678
My last PC was a configurable prebuild. Due to the sale they made it was cheaper than buying the parts individually cause of mining driving the GPU prices high. I only adjusted the cable management and swapped the memory later.

>>105905903
Military hubris

>>105905988
AMD FSR isn't as mature or widely supported as Nvidia DLSS, have you considered something like RTX 5070 instead of 9070?I would also get Gigabyte or ASUS motherboard, I never really trusted ASRock. During 775 and AM2 times, they had #1 RTM rate among motherboards when I worked in tech retail. 850W might be overkill for PSU, this is more like 750W build, but it won't save you much money.

>>105905903
people are poor, so expensive oled screens have low sales volume
lower volumes demand higher margin which drives up the price even higher

>>105896636
I'm Brazilian and I can find OLED monitors on Dell's and LG's sites for significantly less than 2k dollars

>>105905988
i dont know if its actually true, but asrock mobos have been causing issues with ryzen 9000

When is RTX 5070 Super coming? I don't want to buy 12GB.

What would be the cheapest am5 cpu that won't bottleneck an 5070ti at 4k?

>>105905903
Not enough demand to justify the distribution cost, suppliers charge a higher premium per unit.
Kids there are happy with IPS/TN for DOTA2 & CS2.

>boomer neighbor wants to build a PC for his astrophotography program (Pixinsight)
>reading requirements, they say minimum 64GB RAM, recommended 128GB-1TB
>they have their own benchmarking board https://pixinsight.com/benchmark/
>some madman is running a threadripper pro to spit out these astrophotography pictures, kek

So I'm torn between a system built around a Core Ultra 9 285K or an AMD 9950X3D, with as much RAM as humanly possible, a giant NVME SSD and a GPU capable of driving a couple 4K displays. I want to give him two parts lists, one AMD and one Intel.

For this kind of workload, what would you guys build? I'm a bit out of my element because I'm most familiar with gaming stuff.

>>105897855
Checked & Cheddarpilled; feel good & confident about your purchases & abilities, and enjoy assembly of your machine, which is remarkably cost-effective (and, therefore, of course, remarkably powerful when measured against even the recent past few years' highest standards).

>why choose the 9900x instead of something with "3d" in it?
Well, I care less for the few extra frames per second in the latest video game than I do for keeping temperatures & electricity consumption down while running a few moar koarz to handle a variety of simultaneous productivity tasks we'll be switching between (ergo also 96gb ram & 4tb m.2). This'll be for cool & quiet (underclocked) productivity, film & music production, LLM training, AI ETC (and maybe mine shitcoins for heat when it snows), just an all-around at-home hobby box small enough for me to carry in the trunk or on the train between CT & NYC.

9900X does what I need without extra heat (assymmetrically, as the "3d" chiplette is on top of one of the two eight-core mini-dies, assymmetrically making more heat on one than another, forcing that one to run a skosh slower, which means they slow the other one the same little bit to match....

>mfw "used-mint"

>>105905988
I don't recommend getting an ASRock AM5 board for a beginner; there is still some uncertainty about the safety of their motherboards.
https://videocardz.com/newz/asrock-goes-on-record-confirms-ryzen-cpu-failures-are-linked-to-bios-settings-offers-warranty-support

Here are some alternative X870 boards priced near that Pro RS.
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/d7zXsY/asus-prime-x870-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-prime-x870-p-wifi
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/n3cgXL/gigabyte-x870-gaming-wifi6-atx-am5-motherboard-x870-gaming-wifi6
https://fr.pcpartpicker.com/product/2WV2FT/msi-pro-x870-p-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-x870-p-wifi

>>105906630
Honestly at this point I would take even a low tier Threadripper because of RAM. AM5 is not very stable with 4 sticks and large amounts of RAM. TR has more RAM channels, can have up to 2 TB RAM, and there is more room for more sticks if he has too low RAM.

>>105906509
7500F, 7600/X, or 9600X.

>>105906129
ASUS X870 boards have the q-release slim and unless anon manages to snatch a revised version I'm not certain if this is good for beginners. the lane sharing of the second/third m.2 PCIe 5.0 nvme slots also seems to be an easy beginner trap.

>>105906630
No idea, but not surprised they're buying fancy shit, a "decent" telescope for astrophotography can easily be like $10k, plus twice that for a good mount. Some people are literally spending six figures on their set ups for this shit.

>>105906734
AM5 is stable with 4 sticks, you just have to give up any kind of Expo speeds.
TR is under the same limitations, you can get 2TB of RAM but its not going to be faster than 5200mhz or even 4800mhz at JEDEC timings

>>105906630
https://digitalspaceport.com/how-to-run-deepseek-r1-671b-fully-locally-on-2000-epyc-rig/

same thing llms use prob works best while "home pc" setups are terrible

>>105906630
Well Threadripper if he can get it and as much ram as possible. AMD just announced 9000 series Threadripper PRO. Those benchmarks suggest he'd be better off with a 9950X over a 9950X3D. Actually the 9950X isn't that far off the 7985WX scores for a much lower price so it definitely wouldn't be wise to get any 7000 Threadripper over the 9950X.

Damn that 285K is a piece of trash looking at those benchmarks.

>The 96-core PRO 9995WX listed at $13,000
Trust me if it's top of the line and he can win those benchmarks the boomer space autist will be fine paying those prices. It's insane how much money they have for shit like this.

>>105906630
https://pixinsight.com/sysreq/index.html
That's a fun read lol
You'll have a lot of fun building that if he pays you to do it
kek it recommends having an 8K monitor

>>105906764
He's a major nerd for this stuff, he's got a whole fucking telescope dome with auto tracking and acquisition on his back porch.

>>105906734
I'm a bit of a retard who is still stuck in the delusion of the good old days when intel was king and DDR3 RAM was all you could get, so I'm completely unfamiliar with these higher end AMD systems. Thanks for the insight anon, it is much appreciated

>>105906805
I had noticed that it seems really similar to the kind of systems AI nerds are using.

>>105906817
I told him (before I knew just what kind of load this image software needs) I would aim for about $5k total cost for the build. I'll ask him if he really wants to go for a Threadripper and drop $15k. You're right, he might actually do it. Kek

>>105906861
Some of those people even have enterprise shit like Optane SSDs. It's just bewildering to look at. IDK what the fuck I'm doing lmfao

>>105906630
I don't know wtf I'm doing either, but here's a rough sketch of a 9950X3D with a 2x64GB memory config.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jBqZ74

That memory kit is relatively new; it may not be found in the board manufacturer's QVL.
But GSkill keeps their validated motherboard list.
https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/396/1750123512/F5-6000J3444F64GX2-FX5-QVL

There's also a few 4x 64GB GSkill kits that are validated with AM5 boards, check their website for the variations.
GL finding these.
https://www.gskill.com/qvl/165/396/1750237944/F5-6000J3644D64GX4-FX5-QVL

>>105906885
*9950X, he probably doesn't need the -X3D.

I have a tuf h370-pro gaming wifi motherboard and a geforce gtx 1060 6gb, with a i5-8400. what recommendations might you guys have for components to upgrade with this motherboard that would be relatively cheap in the aftermarket, around 150-200 total? or ideally even less

is 1.25V override on a 14600k safe longterm ?
how high was the stock voltages that killed them?

>tried 32" qd-oled meme last time
>everything good but caused eye strain to some degree coming from a zero contrast IPS panel with maxed down gamma setting for even less contrast
>get new phone that is using oled screen and even uses pwm dimming and shit that is supposedly bad
>no eye strain from what I can tell, never had it decades ago with the shitty low res pentile amoled phone displays either, strange
>reports of the new 4th gen 27" 4k qdoled screens having reduced or solving eye strain for some, due to the reduced blue wave lenght light on the new panels or something else?
did I use too much brightness? was I sitting too close? do I try it again? do I try again and fail and be forced to go woled? do I go tv?
we will have to find out

>>105906983
Stock 14600K only boosts up to 5.3GHz, which is not high enough for the CPU to request dangerously high voltages (over 1.55V).
i9s were the majority of CPUs that were affected because these chips needed the voltage to boost near 6.0GHz.
A liquid-cooled 14600K usually caps out at around 5.7GHz with a manual OC, and I don't think you need over 1.45V for that for most bins.

>>105906977
You need to save more money.
Even used video cards that are worth buying cost close to $200.
You've maxed out the budget/value gaming performance for that board socket (used CPUs included).
You can get one of the i7 or i9 CPUs with 8/12/16 threads, but not all games need 8 CPU threads to run well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXKyQYiLro8

technically not part of the PC, but what do you fags use for a chair? I've always just used spare office chairs my work didn't need but they don't have any right now and my current one has started sinking on me

>>105907109
>Now he's falling for the 27" 4K memes.

What's a current recommended non micro amd motherboard under 200? I've been looking at videos but what specs to look for in a desired board seems very vague. I have a 9600 if that helps.

>>105907256
I use ikea-like office chair + ROHO air cushion, Razer waist cushion, thick towel covering entire surface because I sit naked.
>>105907371
Asus Prime B650-Plus can be found for $200, Gigabyte B650 A Elite a little over $200. They don't have PCIe 5.0 though and read M2 port sharing specs carefully.

>>105907371
ASRock B850 Pro-A WiFi, if you believe ASRock's latest BIOS solves the CPU degradation issues. Solid specs for the price.
Gigabyte X870 GAMING WIFI6, if you need USB4 (check lane split/bifurcation behavior).

>buy basilisk v3 pro for prime day
>receive a used piece of shit 20k optical sensor ripoff basilisk with no receiver
>amazon saarport only offers refund instead of replacement or reship
fuck amazon

Bros, I have a 9800x3d with axp90x47 in a 7L console type case. It barely gets use so I'm just going to use it as my main computer instead of the i7-6700k one. I'm going to move it to a CM nr200. Should I just plop it in as is? The cooler is tiny. Is it worth it to get an actual cooler like a NH-u12a?

>>105907404
>>105907422
When would you want a 850 over a 650?

>>105907467
Plop it in and test it? CPU-Z has CPU burnout test built in. On one hand that's 120W processor on the other Thermalright is good company. I'm using their tower cooler with 140mm pwm fan since 2018. Can't even remember the model.
>>105907505
I guess no need to flash bios for newer AM5 CPUs and stuff like better PCIe 5.0 support?

>>105907505
Many B850 boards provide a PCIe Gen 5 x16 lane for the video card, even if it's not required in the chipset specs.
There's also a PCIe Gen 5 x4 lane for the M.2 slot.
https://www.amd.com/en/products/processors/chipsets/am5.html

You lose less than 2~3% performance if your PCIe Gen 5 video card needs to run on a Gen 4 x16 lane.

>>105907111
I'll stick with 1.25 since that's stable and it draws up to 180w even at that voltage. I don't think my cooling could take much more

>>105907578
>tear hair out over why 5090 wont run at 5.0 x16
>turns out 5.0x8 is basically the max speed it can push so software was just reporting that

What would be better, a 340 dollar 7800X3D or 155 dollar 9600x for a 5070ti?

>>105907981
9600X if you might upgrade to a Zen 6 CPU in the future.

Looking into upgrading my toaster's RAM from 8GB to at least 16GB, and I'm stuck looking up speed and CAS latency.
I figure the higher the speed and the lower the CAS the better, but I'm not sure what the exact limiting factor is nor what difference 9001MHz, 2 CAS RAM makes over a 8999MHz, 1 CAS.

Looking into the mobo (PRIME B350M-A) QVLs I see speeds ranging from 2133MHz to 4133MHz, then looking into the CPU (Ryzen 5 1600) I see people mention it's rated for 2666MHz, but also "muh overclocking" for higher speeds and just getting into researching that topic is sucking all the will out of me.

Picrel for more detail.
Other details: 243V5LSB/00 monitor (1920x1080, 60Hz), MSI GTX 1050 Ti X graphics card

So, what am I supposed to do here, is 2666MHz a safe choice?
Am I supposed to push for more, lean into overclocking?
What even are some sane CAS, how do I know when to compromise for more or less CAS over more or less speed?

Also, any reliable names or names to run away from really fast? Looking through my options I barely recognize some of these, and most of them are just a single 5 star rating which doesn't inspire much confidence it's not just shilling

Maybe I'm just overthinking it and should go into whatever. Or maybe I should go for a whole new PC, but this one's been serving me quite well other than running out of RAM a bit too often

Should I update my asrock x870e bios to ComboAM5 1.2.0.3e version? it seems like all these bios updates are useless.

>>105907981
for gaming? 7800x3d.
Those cpus aren't even in the same category.

>>105907427
vaxee e1

>everyone says get an x3d
>sold out everywhere
I'm coping with a 5700X, but considering I haven't upgraded my CPU in 5 years it should be good

>>105907256
steelcase gesture v2 with the arms removed.
Then I have little arm pad things that clamp onto my desk to res my elbows on.

>>105907325
>27" 4K memes

ppi so high you don't need AA. There is nothing meme about it.

>>105908066
I would get a 3200MT/s CL16 kit and tune it down to 2666MT/s in the BIOS (2666MT/s 13-14-14) if your CPU can't stably run it.
The 3200MT/s kits are cheaper anyway.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v3FKHx/patriot-viper-steel-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr4-3200-cl16-memory-pvs432g320c6k
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/z3VD4D/team-t-force-vulcan-z-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tlzgd416g3200hc16cdc01

>>105908240
Your ASRock AM5 should be on the latest stable BIOS for the safer PBO auto current settings.

>>105908278
>$650 for a fucking chair
jesus christ does it suck my dick and cook me dinner too or what the fuck is going on here?

>>105908066
>muh overclocking
Just means outside of XMP you're on your own figuring out voltages and timings. Well, alone with internet.

I remember there was a site that had user-submitted OC details, but that was like 12 years ago I cannot find it anymore. Boggles my mind that nothing that convenient seem to exist anymore.

It's a pretty old CPU anon, If you want more modern gaming - I would say it's high time to upgrade your entire PC. I'm looking into upgrading i7 7700k & GTX 1060 myself. They served me well, but aren't enough for newer titles.

>>105908268
They're in stock here in Balkans but 7800X3D is like 400 euros.

>>105908315
If that's a good ergonomic chair, it may be worth paying the price to avoid back problems.

>>105908315
people literally spend $1200 on a gpu that has the same transistor count as a $700 gpu

>>105908315
NTA but anon, consider how much you will be using it. The health benefits from proper chair are cannot be overestimated if you sit in it all day. It's like good mattress. Exorbitantly expensive, yes, but you spend 1/3 to 1/2 of your life on it.
>>105908278
>Then I have little arm pad things that clamp onto my desk to res my elbows on.
Do they have a name? I think I saw those, but can't remember where.

>>105908356
>Do they have a name? I think I saw those, but can't remember where.
Articulating arm rest

>>105908344
The 5080 has fewer transistors than the 7900 XTX, you insecure liar.
We've been through this.

The 7900XTX's GCD itself nearly matches the transistor count of the complete 5080 chip.
The 5080 has a far more efficient chip design.
7900XTX's development was so scuffed, it ended up competing against a laptop form-factor GPU.

>>105908372
Thanks, looks gynecological kek.

who is >we

How do I know if a fan is too big for my PC?

>>105906630
The 9950x smokes the 285k in the benchmark but amd's imc on the AM5 cpus is dogshit.
I would just go with a 285k build and 256GB of ram i guess.
Dual crucial t705 ssds also. If you want full tophat experience t710 ssds. (not sure how important ssds are for that program)

>>105908406
You are the only retard who's insecure enough to lie about the transistor count of the 5080 and the 7900 XTX.

>>105908356
They are like plastic arm rests you clamp onto the desk i bought off amazon for like $15 a couple years ago.
no idea what brand or name. They aren't even articulating like the other person said.
If i play a game I am right up at t he desk and my elbow rests against the pad which is level with the desk.
The problem i had with the arm rests on the chairs is that they would keep me farther away from the desk that they limit the area you can move arm around on.

>>105908412
That's what I was afraid of; I've never had a system with more than 32GB of RAM so I'm clueless as to how these systems hold up when dealing with big RAM pools.

As an intel boomer I am very happy to recommend a 285K to him but I'm not sure what mobo & RAM to buy for this. I already had a giant pain in the ass with my most recent system getting some shitty Hynix A Corsair DDR5 6400s to run at their rated speeds, I ended up giving up and running them at JEDEC 4800 because they weren't stable no matter how much I tweaked them.

Something tells me the mobo (and how well it handles its memory), in combination with the RAM is extremely important here.

>>105908315
>>$650 for a fucking chair
it was like $1k when I bought it in 2018 I think.
https://www.amazon.com/Steelcase-442A40-5S25-Gesture-Graphite/dp/B016OIF2JU?th=1

My point is really to try and find a used one somewhere. I hear you can find them when offices close down and they sell all the furniture or find them on facebook marketplace.

Herman miller is the other big office brand.
https://store.hermanmiller.com/gaming-chairs/embody-gaming-chair/2517590.html?lang=en_US&sku=100160889
They have other models that you can find if you look around hopefully.

The foam seat on this gesture is still going strong so if you find a good deal on a used chair somewhere it should probably be good as long as it's clean.

>>105908462
Check GSkill's RAM Configurator page and filter by Z890 boards; they set more conservative QVLs compared to the board manufacturer's.
The boards appear to cap out at 128GB.
https://www.gskill.com/configurator

>>105908462
does it need ecc memory?
if so, get a Intel W880 board and ecc udimms.
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-Pro-W880-ACE-Motherboard-ThunderboltTM/dp/B0FFLF8CGJ?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

https://www.newegg.com/a-tech-256gb-4-x-64gb/p/1X5-006W-00705
https://www.newegg.com/v-color-128gb/p/1X5-0039-00092

Now if you really need massive amounts of ram, threadripper or an intel xeon using registered dimms is the onyl way to go and way more expensive.

>>105908391
>>105908421

>>105908314
>I would get a 3200MT/s CL16 kit and tune it down to 2666MT/s
That sounds sensible enough

>>105908335
I'm not one much for modern games or AAA stuff, I mostly stick to indies and those are rarely demanding all that demanding, so looking at >>105908314's prices, if I can squeeze out a good 3 more years out of my current setup for 40 bucks instead of having to go look for a 700€ PC already, I think I can be happy.
Really, whenever I notice a slowdown and check things out it's always just the modern web browser's endless hunger for RAM or the odd leaky and horribly optimized game filling up RAM that gets at me

>>105908768
>Really, whenever I notice a slowdown and check things out it's always just the modern web browser's endless hunger for RAM or the odd leaky and horribly optimized game filling up RAM that gets at me
Yeah, running memory cleaner & closing browser is mandatory before gaming on older rig.

>>105896556 (OP)
thinking of getting the arc-b580 as a birthday gift what am i in for

>>105908408
you wont be able to mount it at all and you will probably strip a screw.

>>105908795
Tons of fun @ 1080p, 1440p also possible with some settings adjustments.
https://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/completed%20intel%20arc/

>>105907256
Steelcase leap. It's comfortable af. Got it on sale for like $800 last year

>>105908809
gonna run it in 2k
i really dont have much options being from turkey where 4060-5060ti costs nearly double and pc needs an ssd too
also psu is 650w

>>105908267
thanks for the rec, i went with another mouse
Rapoo VT3PRO max since it has the same sensor and shape but it's only 40 bucks on amazon right now.

>>105906861
LMAO even the astrology boomers aren't fans of GNOME and Wayland.

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>>105908993
>>105908993

I just installed a new SSD (Samsung 9100 Pro) and now neither it nor my existing boot drive (Intel P4800x) show up in the boot options, although both are identified in the NVMe configuration settings. Both drives show up as boot options if I enable CSM, but then I still can't boot from it. Does anyone have a clue what's going on here?

>>105909022
I had an issue like this years ago and I think it was a formatting issue; like the default format that the new SSD came with is incompatible with your current installation of windows. Wish I could help you further brother but those brain cells died years ago.

>>105906129
>>105906185
>>105906728
Thanks anons, I'll go with an Asus x870 gaming-plus instead.
>Captcha : HD4XD

Might build a pc next month, dunno if I should go with Linux for the first time

>>105910600
No harm in trying, you can always install Windows if you can't get used to it.

>>105910794
I do gaming in consoles, for the most part, so my only real issue would be stuff I want to try like blender and suff, that and Nikke, and pc exclusive steam stuff