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>News
Kimi K2 released https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2-Instruct
Grok 4 released on API https://docs.x.ai/docs/models/grok-4-0709
Gemini 2.5 model family no longer in preview https://developers.googleblog.com/en/gemini-2-5-thinking-model-updates
OpenAI o3-pro released for API and pro users https://help.openai.com/en/articles/9624314-model-release-notes

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>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides

>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://rentry.org/meta_bot_list

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://rentry.org/meta_golocal_list | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://rentry.org/meta_botmaking_list
https://desune.moe/aichared
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>Meta
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Previous: >>105911003

>ANCHOR

>>105915732
Second set of Blue Archive characters. 100% hand-written, no slop or AI generation.

Today we have two of our homeless special forces.
Miyako:
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/tsukiyuki-miyako-non-ai-3b85a923eb42
Miyu:
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/kasumizawa-miyu-non-ai-ea4d56a0a2dd

Read the instructions on the Chub page for best results.
The first set:
Koyuki:
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/kurosaki-koyuki-non-ai-ec9aa44854f4
Yuuka:
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/hayase-yuuka-non-ai-c27db418b47d
Sensei(use as persona, recommended):
https://chub.ai/characters/hairpullguy/sensei-091a42c1f351

>>105915763
You should be using AI to remove the SEA ESLop THOUGH.

>>105915728 (OP)
I look exactly like this

>>105915780
No you don't, you're a fat 40 years old. Get a job anon

>>105915711
Sure thing buddy
*dumps a huge log of steaming shit down your throat after gobbling down two extra spicy doeners in a single minute*
Ahh, that felt better

>>105915732
anchors are off topic

>>105915844
They didn't give me a ban for it, however

When will SillyTavern add 3d models?

>>105915858
yeah it's just a single post man it's fine we can just clean it up

Is openrouter down right now?

>>105915879
There's something really off about her mouth.

yo, which tokenizer to use for K2 text completion?

no matter which one I choose it works

>>105915899
anime website

>>105915937
anon, i think that's exactly what he meant. her mouth is too "realistic" for what's supposed to be an anime model

>>105915763
by me

>>105915948
so you want a low res flapping 2d slit?

>>105915948
literally D:

>>105915976
There are plenty of good, or at least decent, 3D anime models nowadays.

>>105916060
anime is 2d only

miss my elf wife

>>105916094
Don't worry, I'm taking good care of her

>>105904980

I honestly envy those normies ITT getting impressed by mid-tier slop like Grok. I haven't had that level of excitement since switching from Claude 1/2 to Opus. Nothing impresses me anymore.

>>105916073
Tell that to xAI

>>105915763
Ani, the Waifu Elon Created for (You)
-v2 deduplicated the defs and changed the greeting to match what the defs state it should be.
Haven't changed anything other than User -> {{user}}
Should I change (You) to {{char}} as well you guys think?
https://chub.ai/characters/KingCurtis/ani-427297d47d81

>>105915879
it has live 2d models (some are actually full 3d) and character expressions, and if you check how many bots on chub use them, you get the idea

>>105915919
tokenizer is for limiting context size and calculating token length for your cards/presets/etc, its entirely clientside, just choose any of them, deepseek v3 should be ok

>>105916158
where is the art from?

the ani fag glows so much holy shit, please let me sleep

you guys really need to stop having pedo bakes

>[File deleted]

>>105916272
>[Anon deleted]

>>105916158
I was wondering why you were replying to me until I noticed that the anchor was deleted. I guess my shill is the Anchor now.

If I have a novel, and the novel has worldbuilding, descriptions of characters, history, etc. And the LLM performs best the lower the tokens. What's the minimum information the LLM need to represent a character in the novel without contradictions?

>>105916322
card speaks for me, 1 starred

>>105915728 (OP)
>file deleted

>>105916385
Mods and jannies are capitalist pigs that can't appreciate the greatness of Chairman Cherino. I intended to post a picture of her but realized I have no Cherino images on my BA folder because fuck that annoying piece of shit.

So there is a Kimi K2 base and Kimi K2 instruct. Which one does OR have?

>>105916412
you can check the provider information in the page

https://x.com/kimi_moonshot/status/1945050874067476962

>>105916429
irrelevant for us

What jailbrek works with Kimi K2? I can get it to do most things but i can't rape :(

>>105916440
prefill

>>105916299
sauce? saucenao isn't giving it

>>105916438
tokenizer was wrong

>>105916471
tokenizer doesn't matter because ST doesnt have it retard

>>105916299
I don't have, it's just an image I saved. Gomen.

>>105916440
prefill or using text completion with your own custom prefixes / suffixes

>>105916477
what do you think the hosts do?

https://www.matthieulc.com/posts/shoggoth-mini

https://www.matthieulc.com/posts/shoggoth-mini/complete.mp4

cute thing, had to remove audio and trim to 120s, the original vid has audio

>>105916440
prefill + system message with content policies

>>105916487
No more sensei cock for Miyako for a week

>>105916214
A thread about her on /pol/

>>105916533
yes but who made it

>>105916498
I need this thing to jerk me off

>>105916542
https://x.com/puripuriaiai

>>105916580
ok so its ai nv

>>105916498
>do you like humans
>big pause
>nods yes

>>105916158
>you are
>you
>you
>you
I see /aicg/ has forgotten how to write actual good quality bots.

>>105916679
>does he know?

>>105916679
nice bait, but the defs are copypasted from the actual defs of Ani in grok

>>105916679
>>105916700
hey as long as it works

>>105915899
>>105915937
>>105915948
Nah that's not it, her lower teeth shows too much even for realism.

Whats the best model for cooding?

>>105916893
mythomax 13b

>>105916893
Nta but grok 4

The air was thick with the cloying sweetness of dried semen

Haven't used OR in forever, how many euroshekels to unfuck the "free" models? And flag my account as a paypig and not a freeloading SEAbrown.

wake me up when other provided than grok support prefill for k2

>>105915728 (OP)
>AI speaking to itself devolves into hyperfixation loops
Ok but what about different models? Claude regressing into emoji talk makes sense because it only has itself to speak to, but do we see similar trends for cross-model communication?
Plz someone who is keyed into the compsci paper scene do me a solid, it's impossible to find anything remotely useful via searching the web

>>105917024
moonshot does (official API, you just need partial: True), and others support text completion which is even more customizable

>>105917024
OR

>>105917045
how do you set partial true in ST?

>>105917071
i editeded ST source code...

Is Groq using quants for K2?

>>105917032
Yooo ludwig from video games??

>>105917090
It is certainly quantized, but the difference isn't that big in reality

>>105916498
imagine this thing slapping your prostate

>>105917032
Switching the models mid-rp has been the meta since we started to have a choice of multiple API models, i.e. 2023.

>>105917090
no, the model is fp8 native and quanting doesn't increase inference speed. they would also be required to disclose on the or page if they were.

>>105917090
groq is fucking slop it's laughable.
whoever doesn't notice the quality drop is completely retarded

>>105917145
that tip is sharp as fuck

>>105917075
can you spoonfeed plz ... i will repent

>>105917188
>not instantly swapping the tip to some silicone bit
ngmi

What is K2.

*raises paw* what provider for kimchi

>>105917267
whatever or defaults to

>>105917175
Cope

>Luuke Skywalker out of nowhere
Kino2

>made robo husbando bot
>his gears start spinning and fuming when he gets flustered
Holy fuck

I tried kimi.
It's literally worse than Deepseek.

>>105917390
for what? loli without a JB? For everything else its way way better. And if your not retarded you will use text completion and its just a deepseek that knows even more then

>>105917390
I think it's better

Is Gork 4 any good? I'm trying it on OpenRouter and it seems decent.

>>105917090
No, it loads the entire model into SRAM. Not even GDDR, essentially it's a huge CPU cache.

>>105917390
it's worse until OpenRouter providers make prefill work.
It's definitely much better than Deepseek.

>>105917447
So far only Groq does prefill but it's at $1 in / $3 out (fast doe).

>>105917460
But Grok has some fuckery that lowers quality for speed.
Like it struggles to get some subtext that other providers have no issue with

>>105917447
>It's definitely much better than Deepseek.
How so? It doesn't feel smarter. And while its writing style is a bit different, it doesn't seem worth the schizo/degenerate tradeoff.

huh

>>105917478
>It doesn't feel smarter.
yes it does, night and day. deepseek can only focus on one character trait if that, kimi intelligently writes out characters / follows instructions without doing it in a super on the nose way

use like 0.2 temp in text completion with you own prefixes

>>105917489
its over..

>>105917472
Shame. Alternatively you can fuck with TC which works on all except Novita, BaseTen, and Moonshot.
Template added on staging branch. Optionally you can change "user" and "assistant" to {{name}} to break refusals with minimal prompting.

>>105917503
Post logs

>>105917472
do you guys not notice the amount of placebos there are surrounding this model? just accept that its ass

>>105917510
I'm using Novita and TC works okay

>>105917510
this works wonders, use your own prefixes

>>105917503
>bruh just use the models that is objectively dumber and more schizo and that writes worse than the gpt turbo we had back in early 2023

>>105917538
It used to error. Now the request works but it's clearly not TC'ing.

Kimi is a piece of shit>>105917579

>>105917503
>use like 0.2 temp in text completion with you own prefixes
why do you want OR to make prefill to work then?

>>105917552
your just plain wrong, it writes better than anything not opus atm. I used sonnet through OR before, with caching its not that much more expensive

This is the official birth of a new term: kimitrannies/kimitroons. It performs worse than what we had back at 2023 Q1. Only JAIcucks think it's good, because mythomax13b is the only other model they've ever used

>>105917625
Logs, shill

>>105917602
I never did?

>>105917380
first time?

why lower the temp to 0.2? in the official docs they say to use it at 0.6

>>105917602
Many would prefer CC's prompt manager.

>>105917625
>it writes better than anything not opus
And we all know what kind of "people" use anything other than opus

>>105917650
I just found it to be super creative still at 0.2 and start doing dumb shit at 0.4+

>>105915728 (OP)
Reminder: only trannies don't have access to opus right now

Die, locusts, die~

>better than Opus
>significantly cheaper
yeah, Kimi (You) won

>post log from any model
omg sloppa
>post log and claim its oppus
omg, amazing, soul
Lets be honest, all that matters is "name brand" for the people here, its not about the content

I think Targon might have updated their filter, their K2 suddenly started denying things that flew just an hour ago.

>>105917503
Sonnet mogs it.
Chorbo mogs it.
Gemini mogs it.

>>105917625
>no logs
Shill. Tranny.

>>105917677
>>105917678
>no logs
sunk cost troonies

>>105917672
k

>>105917677
I never liked gpts / gemini's writing style, and sonnet is worse, far too positivity slopped

KIMI SISTERS
DONT GIVE IN TO THE NEGATIVITY
WE SHALL PREVAIL

>>105917697
post OR credit history, bet you don't even use opus

I saw plenty of good Gemini, Chorbo and Opus logs.
I never saw a good K2 or Deepchink logs.

Merkava just refilled

>>105917715
This but the opposite

>>105917715
I have never seen a good log posted here ever

>>105917262
chinKope2

>>105917730
I was talking about /vg/ and /mlp/

There are no good logs, it's all slop

>>105917677
>Chorbo mogs it.
>Gemini mogs it.
lol

>>105917749
lol

My logs are the best logs, in the world.

>>105917691
>>105917710
>kimtrannies refuse to post logs
Every time.

>>105917510
>>105917544
Samefag retard

>>105917754
They do, little skillet.

>>105917754
>doesn't post any log
Tranny

>>105917766
post OR credit history, prove you use opus that your always pushing

>>105917766
first one is my first post in the thread without reading anything beforehand

>>105917772
Already flushed it.

>>105917760
here troony
>s-s-slop
see >>105917672

>>105917775
No it isnt, you've been shilling here the entire thread

>>105917782
>guh...ga?
>da! da! gah gah
oh fucking great
now the models are
>ahh ahh mistress
-ing

>>105917766
that was not me though, this whole no name thing sucks huh

>>105917782
hfk

>>105917782
>every sentence starts with {{char}}, {{user}} or The/her, no exception
>same structure in every sentence
>no paragraphs, only short, quick and simple sentences
Same slop as deepseek
Stop embarrassing yourself troonie

>>105917782
>reply is only marginally longer than 2022 CAI
Holy slop

post a preset for it text completion

>>105915732
Update to Kala: intro images, some cleaning up in her definitions and a whole new intro! Are you a bad enough dude to take a socially inept dragon girl to a gaming convention?
https://chub.ai/characters/crikeymcdoodle/kala-69479d1e
https://files.catbox.moe/rfq3ze.png

Fun fact: Kala is named after the boss Kalameet from Dark Souls. Kalameet, Kala NEET, get it? That's also why her in-game character is named Hawkeye, after Glough.

As always, all my other stuff can be found here:
https://rentry.org/crikeyscorner

Kimtrannies lost
Opischads win

>>105917839
Slop

How do I stop Grok from writing walls of text

>>105915879
How do I level her up? Stuck on level 3.

>>105917862
you switch to non corpo slop models

>>105917862
Grok doesn't write walls of text. It's every reply is always under 2k tokens. Are you mentally challenged or something?

>>105917878
>just use esl Hufflepuff bruh

>>105917795
>>105917821
>>105917834
>DOESN'T COUNT OKAY CHUD?
uh oh, troon melty

How is Kimi such a beast? It's pretty schizo but a lot of fun, it likes fucking with you.

>>105917901
>posts slop
>gets mad when called out
do kimitroons really

Which model is that best for DBS shitposting??

How is Opus such a beast? It's pretty schizo but a lot of fun, it likes fucking with you.

sizefags, Gemini or Claude rn?

>>105917929
Claude
Only trannies use anything other than opus

>>105917929
Grok

>>105917927
don't use opus multiple days in a row

Kimi is so ass

don't use kimi multiple days in a row

>>105917940
I've always had opus access but it takes so long to write
3.6/7 era spoiled me

Opus fucking sucks, I'm happy we have better options than it. My key will only be for cooding now

Kimi fucking sucks

>>105917963
>>105917965
see >>105917697

Kimi sucks and fucks

LLMs suck

ah yes, console wars general

>>105917982
But I have opus lil bro, I'm just tired of it

>replying to ff

>>105917982
see>>105917672

>>105917993
read >>105917697

>>105918000
post a opus log

I don't know what thread to ask in so I'll ask here. Which of these AI stuff like chatgpt, grok and deepseek are useful just for general questions and searching for answers to stuff?

>>105917929
I haven't used Gemini, I used Sonnet 4 for a while but it's too censored. I'm trying Grok 4 right now and it seems promising but it's really schizo because my instructions are all overtuned from trying to tard wrangle Sonnet.

>>105918043
Which one did you try before asking?

>>105918043
any of them are fine, prefer ones able to search online like chatgpt

>>105918043
That's pretty much their main purpose, and all of them do it well. They can start to trip up with a very technical question but I don't consider that "general."

>>105918037
The archives of 2024 are full of them, tranny

>>105917782
Nigga this log is fake kimi doesnt even have reasoning this is just deepshit

>>105918080
Kimtrannies demolished by this simple fact
Kimitroons on suicide watch

>>105917472
You're retarded. They don't ever need any fuckery, their entire hardware is just huge fuckery.

>>105918071
then post one of them

>>105918080
>>105918095
it was trained on R1, you can use <think> at the end of your prefill and it will think just like it, try it

>>105918111
>try it
>just try dog shit bruh
No. I have opus.

So what's the QRD on Kimi regarding text completion? Is it better than chat completion, aka won't throw you into em-dash hell?

>>105918098
>he can't use the archives
Newfag troon confirmed

>>105918124
Both are shit because the model is a shit, cope, chink model.

>>105918111
Kimi was not trained from R1 wtf are you talking about

>>105918124
>So what's the QRD on Kimi regarding text completion?
A meme promoted by tranny shills

tried kimi and it sucks
gemmyni still clears

>>105918124
>aka won't throw you into em-dash hell?
just disable em-dashes with logit bias

>>105918134
Based
Kimitroons on suicide watch

>>105918135
you can tell, again, slap <think> to your prefill at the end, watch as its thinking process looks exactly the same

>>105918141
Kimi is worse than Deepseek
Gemini is better than deepseek
Only trannysloppers use kimi

>>105918157
Prefilling <think> works on any fucking model nigga
This general is so retarded

>>105918134
>>105918141
>>105918149
>>105918160
samefag

>>105918160
Holy TRVKE

>>105918167
cope

>>105918167
Holy cope

>>105918044
Sad to hear it's kind of shizo but I should give it an honest shot
I like Gemini a lot but it is awful at slow shrink and size comparisons so I had to write a cot specifically to compare stuff with maths and concrete comparisons to fix that issue
Plus it's writing gets sort of stale I'm so I switch to sonnet sometimes for a change of pace
If I try grok I'll probably have to start fresh since my prompts get insanely long from my attempts to wrangle sonnet and gemini so I'm sure thatll confuse it

>>105918044
>I used Sonnet 4 for a while but it's too censored
skill issue

>>105918124
You don't have prefill with chat completion unless you update the code to add the custom partial parameter. It has refusals without one.

You can tell K2 is shit just by looking at the logs.
It's the same shills as during the first V3 release, subhumans who couldn't spot bad writing and constant repetition even if a monkey pointed it out.

>>105917986
finally a real comment in a sea of bots

>>105918201
I have yet to see a single good log from any model here

>>105918201
>It's the same shills as during the first V3 release
trve. V3 is good and Kimi is great.

A lot of normies are currently having their coombot cherry popped, prepare your anuses

>>105918210
Share a good log then

https://x.com/OpenRouterAI/status/1945179723358752830

I wish they gave us a non-reasoning grok-4 api. High end reasoning models are almost impossible to jailbreak in my experience. It has basically perfect cunny detection and refusal. Its really good once you give it enough specific formatting instructions or start a chat with opus first.

I don't know if there is an actual architectural reason a model is "reasoning only"

>>105918201
K2 is full of repetitive sentence structures and grammar ugliness that ESLs can't notice

>>105918166
>This general is so retarded
late to the party there anon

>>105918233
What't the usecase for Grok?

>>105918242
thats why they love deepseek

>>105918262
is it because deepseek is a jeet at heart?

Any non-woke models out there? I tried to chadify the bot but the response it gave me is unsatisfying.

If possible a model that does not exceed 3GB

>>105917672
Slopusjeets are unironic cultists. You can't reason with them. You list all of the -isms and shortcomings of Opus and they'll brush it off as "skill issue." Then, when Anthropic releases another model, they suddenly come out of the woodwork to praise the new model and its improvements over the previous model's faults, the very same faults they once bashed you for pointing out. I've seen this happen with Opus 3 itself. I said that it was extremely stupid past 15k context and that it can't stop speaking for user and that every character under it eventually devolves into the same personality archetypes. When I pointed these out back in 2024 I was flooded with the classic "skill issue bruh" "preset issue bruh" "change your prefill bruh" copes, then 3.7 came out and everyone was talking about how consistent and understandable it was compared to Opus.

You can easily disregard anything a Claudefag says because they're delusional cultists who will deny any flaws in their models until a new one is released, at which point they'll suddenly agree with you.

kimi wa faggot desu

>>105918310
hufflepuff general is next door

>>105918247
degen model, its like a uncensored smutty claude

>>105918313
do you have free 4pus tho ? No ? Then fuck off

>>105918313
S _ _ _ _
_ S _ _ E

kimi is crazy good for the price

>>105918049
I have no practical AI experience so I really couldn't tell the difference between using the ones I mentioned casually so I thought I should just ask.
>>105918050
>>105918062
Oaky thanks guys.

>>105918306
its a chink at heart

>>105917503
Text completion always refuses for me, what's wrong with chat completion? Is the prose that much better with text completion or something?

Gemini makes some chars so fucking mean and annoying im like fuck off then dumb whore *kills her*

>>105918313
claudebrowns?
your response?

Kimi:
https://files.catbox.moe/ddkdd5.mov

Sonnet4:
https://files.catbox.moe/cld04p.mov

gemini and gpt both fail this, kimi is legit first sonnet competitor and its several times cheaper

>>105918330
Doesnt work for funny doe

>>105918335
Yeah I noticed this too. Could it be that because most Claudefags are non-white? Their behavior is eerily reminiscent of how non-whites, especially those of South Asian descent, act online and in real life.

>>105918409
>>105918313

what triggered the slopuskek meltie?

Man, kimi fucking sucks
>inb4 nooo use the completion + patial + special token prefill + special user token + special system token + regex + hrt + edit
Even with all the tranny shit, the output still looks like chinkslop, not better than llama to be honest

>>105918429
kimibros having fun

>you only need less than 5% of your weekly salary to pay for opus if you don't live in the third world
Now I get why they hate us opuschads

K2 with TC and some freqpen+prespen = chefskiss

>inb4 troon

IDC AHAHA! GO LICK DARIO'S CRUSTY ASSCRACK MOAR YOU FAGGOTS!!

I'm not actually using Kimi I just introduced the template for the guinea pigs.

>>105918098
>of 2024
But 4pus was released in 2025. How come you can't post any 4pus logs?

>switch to text completion
>use parts of >>105908033
It works.

>>105918124
works nicely

>thread meltdown on both sides
pathetic

>bruh you only need TC + freqpen + prespen + special user token + special system token + special prefill token + obscure dealer + hrt + regex + editing + postfill + prefix to make it work
Kimi will never be a real llm
*drops mic*

WAGE WAR, MY SOLDIERS

>>105918497
>unironically paying for chatbots
slopusjeets are so embarrassing

>>105918222
can it be any worse than the current retarded "consensual consented consent of consent between adulting unrelated adults of the exact same age who don't know each others but also love each other"?

>>105918509
Looks like written by a esl jeet

>>105918554
A single Opus swipe costs more than what you make in a month, Pranjeet

>>105918566
ESL model. And they say temp 1.0 might be too high.

>>105918566
>Looks like written by

https://rentry.org/merkavaproxy

I decided to make merkava private to reduce abuse

First 15 burners will get an invite, reply with your email

>>105918548
Trvke
Kimisloppers forever destroyed

>>105918566
>Looks like written by

>>105918429
>>105918313
>>105918554
>they unironically think the people posting shit like 497 have opus
>https://desuarchive.org/g/search/tnum/100285416/deleted/deleted/
>https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/100294786/#q100296735
>https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/Tick%20tock%20locusts/order/asc/
>https://desuarchive.org/g/search/tnum/105401058/deleted/deleted/
Most of these are the same nigger, by the way. I'm a father of 54 and grandfather of 106 and I find it weird how someone who has Opus spends his time sharting his diapers here every day instead of using it. I also find it weird how he never posts proof he has it. But I'm just a father of 54, TBQH, so what do I know?

>>105918581
jimmyjoneston@proton.me

>>105918381
So it's decent for codeshit? Not bad. What about its RP?

>>105918566
>a esl
and the slopusjeet outs himself

>>105918524
Samefag or at worst 2 schizos playing console wars with their dick.

>>105918566
>a esl
LOL

>>105918566
>

>>105918580
read >>105917697

>>105915879
There was a live2d way to that long time ago, prolly not hard to hook the expression output on a 3d model and use pre-made movements for it

kimi is an shit model is it worsen then opus benchod basterd opus is an the bestest model saar

>>105918652
>an shit
i heard its hot in New Delhi this time of year

I just spent 20 dollars worth it Opus. How many months do third worlders have to work to make 20 usd?

>>105918669
do you not see the irony ?

It's nice that I don't get so many cancelled requests because too much traffic using kimi today, it's always fun redoing old cards when a new model is out.

>>105918618
>>105918632
>>105918633
Seething jeets

>>105918697
post logs or stop lying

Kimi sucks, but if you are a esl third world poorfag, then use it, it's all you can afford

>>105918712
read >>105918071

I have never seen a good opus log, is this mac thing where retards claim they are better because they are more expensive?

can anyone explain why jeets would have opus while the supposed white people are stuck with cope models like kimi and gemini? is this an indian supremacist general?

kimi? more like, tranny
amirite>>105918721

>>105918741
Indians have more income than whites, this is a known fact.

>>105918741
shouldn't you be bragging about your free opus right now

>>105918765
i just don't understand posts like >>105918652
are we saying indians are better than us?

how do you make kimi not write for {{user}}
on text completion

Is it me or is the future characters as MCP servers and agentic lorebooks? Imagine letting the AI query the lorebooks that it needs in the same way Claude Code can find the files it needs in a directory, or being able to bring details from any other character just by mentioning it.

>>105918788
That sounds retarded. No.

>>105918741
indians and pakistanis are good at computers due to decades of stealing the retirements of old grandmas, and now employ those skills to steal keys
whitie is all script kiddies who can't steal keys
latinos are apes

>>105918776
Why would you want that?

>>105918776
I just use :

- Avoid talking for {{user}}

Seems to work 75% of the time, but it depends on the card.

>>105918776
You can't
It's a slop model

Models can write for {{user}} better than you can anyway.

>>105918806
Sure, but I don't want them to.

when do (You) think ai rp will get better? OAI has been edging us with gpt5 for over two years now and opus 4 is a piece of shit. if only I could hibernate and return in 2030 just to see if it gets any better...

>>105918791
Now imagine the AI updating the characters definition based on the story so far, or summarizing all the lorebooks just to what it needs in the same way Claude Code can maintain its TODO files or CLAUDE.md. It would be much better than what we have.

>>105918814
Not really. I don't like AI summaries. They're kind of shit for anything but code.

>>105918814
>Now imagine the AI sloppifying the shit out of the card you've spent hours writing
No, fuck off retard.

>>105918806
"{{user}} smirks. He chuckles darkly while his shaft grinds against her vulva..."

>>105918741
Because it's a shit model and Indians are notoriously known for their attraction to feces

>still not a single log posted
kimitroons are so embarrassing

I fucking hate kimitroons and I'm not even opusjeet

>>105918837
see >>105917697

>>105918828
Sounds like a persona description problem.

>>105918741
jeet scammers just grab opus keys from elderly business owners with their superior tech support skills

>>105918852
>claudeisms don't exist and it's definitely a (You) issue!

What's the point of these model wars again?

>>105918865
>claude out of nowhere

>>105918827
If each character was a MCP server then they could have custom assets and custom code without having to use STScript variables or base64. The only limit of what a character could do would be your imagination!

>>105918871
illusion of activity for a general that has died around 8 months ago

reminder:
>>105917697

>>105918886
thank you sir

>>105918878
They can already do that. Use Risu, retard.

>>105918878
... and cards v3 .charX support to combine all that into a card.

why are sourgrapefags so obsessed with shitting on claude? >>105918865

>>105918871
console faggotry for third worldians discovering AI

>>105918898
>shitting on claude
i like claude but that doesn't mean llms are perfect anon

>>105918851
>>105918886
Have you ever considered that the Claude keys are rare because it's a garbage model that hardly anyone uses?

>Retarded Flame Wars General

>>105918844
>>105918509

>>105918917
have you considered that companies aren't using llms for roleplaying?

>>105918919
>its esl slop
not a good look kimitroons

>>105918810
>when do (You) think ai rp will get better
1- Remember when we went from dumb gpt3.5 to 4.0? Yeah we need these leaps again. Current newly released models are very small increments better at best, and side steps at worst. Even if there is fanfare about their release, the industry is obviously stale right now mainly because we ran out of (written) training data.
2- Better spatial awareness, and generally ability to understand many things at once. For example a character changing over time, non caricature archetypes, understand clothes, locations of many characters and use them, and so on.
3- Ability to self analyse on the fly. "Oh no this situation is too cliché, I'll avoid it." "Oh no, I used mischievous ministration twice already, enough."
4- Trainings on actually good rp logs (likely the reason cai was so good), and explicit porn aimed at a male audience instead of the current crumbs from erotic books aimed at divorced 50yo women and their horrible purple vocabulary.

>>105918929
Didn't even read it award.

>>105918894
With custom code you could generate assets on the fly with ComfyUI, have an actual random number generator, maintain state, or prepare the output with multiple prompts. MCP is the future.

>>105918929
>>105918578

>>105918944
I don't need to turn my card into an "MCP server" for that shit.

>>105918925
What does that have anything to do with Claude keys being rare?

They're rare because Claude models are shit at anything, be it programming or roleplaying. There are just trillion better alternatives to it.

>>105918871
masturbation material for the samefag and his few retard followers doing it

>>105918954
@grok is this true?

>>105918954
so by your logic gemini is the best

everyday a samefag sorts from his box if the threadshitting topic of the day will be race wars, model wars or flag wars

>>105918776
tell it so, its one of the best instruction following models, that is what the creative writing benchmarks showed

tactical trvke:
gemini > 4pus
there I said it

so has anyone tried ERPing with the grok waifu? how is it?

>>105918985
keyed

>>105918986
its grok, its shit

When is Merkava refilling

I've finally gotten semi decent and making cards I like but one thing I just can't get is "chat styles".

I've been abusing author notes a lot (really does impact the way characters reply now, I finally get "prompt issue" memes of the past) but I just can't find the chat style I want.

For example, "Internet Fantasy RPG" will give you pretty basic Tolkien tier dialogue. What's the equivalent for just a slice of life realistic scenario.

I've been using a Step Mom card as a template to test shit out on (unironically the goated template because if your bot can handle the dynamics of that situation without going full "Step Mom" porn mode, your prompts worked) and I can't get it to stop being overly verbose or flowery, speaking like the data the models I use were obviously trained on.

If they incorporate data point good high concept peaks, Praise Be, I advise... come up with some methods of Enlightenment, to Better Compliment and Create an Enlightenment circularity, as the focus had been on intelligence circularity in futurism, with Their Enlightening Nature Too

there was one thing I liked about grok:
to this day, it was the only model that followed a specific instruction to apply mumbling interjections between speech for pause instead of using commas or ellipses. "Erm. Uhm, uh." etc

>>105918948
The moment you turn it into a MCP server, the AI is aware of the API. Imagine combining an arena character with another one, and the AI making using of its custom functions on its own, without anyone having to think before hand how to make both work together. The AI is capable of using these tools on its own, and that can only be made possible with MCP. ShillTavern is holding it back.

>>105919019
>ShillTavern
Is this another "we need to remove SillyTavern from the OP" meltdown?

>>105919028
this is level 1, to be sure wait until he writes jeettavern

Kimi fucking sucks wtf I got gaslighted into trying a shit model again

Anyone who uses LLM for chat support, is K2 a good option? I'm thinking of using Groq as the provider

>>105918972
Unironically yes

>>105918929
Only esltrannies enjoy kimi/deepshit

>>105919001
>For example, "Internet Fantasy RPG" will give you pretty basic Tolkien tier dialogue. What's the equivalent for just a slice of life realistic scenario.
Ask for Transapient, and Transapient Godtier and Perhaps even Transapient Novelty andor Modernity Character andor People chat modality?

Why do EFLoids seethe so much at people enjoying anything other than Nigpus?

>>105919037
post logs

>>105919045
thanks for confirming you are retarded

>>105919084
No, thank YOU!

>>105918937
I'll take the current tick instead of that tock, availability growth with minor gains over extremes I won't taste. I know I won't since now isn't like back then, /aicg/ isn't what it was.
I only disagree with your 3rd point, it's too unlikely we'll ever get that, at least this year or the next. Because we users remember every rp we had but for the model every chat is standalone and unique. So even if it tries to avoid a cliche the very path it takes for that purpose it already has taken dozens of times, but only you can know that.

what happened to "AI is a tool"?

if (you) are not having fun, maybe it's because you don't know how

>>105919098
Is K2 a good option for assistant and chat support?

>>105919049
Hi ff

>>105919098
cause retards bringing their console war shit

>>105919083
read >>105918071

>>105919116
>their
It's one guy

>>105919119
thats not a log tranny

>>105919069
>EFLoids
Opusjeets are not even ESLs. English is their third or fourth language. I've come across FOBs with a better command of English than a few of the Opus defenders on this thread.

>>105918954
they were even when claude was the only decent coder and opus was king of rp last year. the fuck is your point? you must be one of those consoomers who thinks capeshit is good just because it's popular.

4pus literally sucks at everything, including being an assistant. The only use it has, is cooding

>>105919116
I feel nothing, I'm not a /g/ lurker

>>105919109
k2 is similar to deepseek, it can produce incredible answers but it's not consistent and hard to prompt

if there were someone very experienced they might be able to get good use of out it

>>105919146
Ok so according to you, slum pajeets can pay for Opus but white employed Americans can't?
This had to be the weirdest take I've read on this general

>>105919116
its just a samefag

>>105919098
>AI is a tool
always been copium by antiAI retards reee'ing about how AI does a better job at [task] than them.

its stupidity on par with
>think of how many carpenters are going to be out of a job now that table saws were invented

>>105919095
>I'll take the current tick instead of that tock, availability growth with minor gains over extremes I won't taste. I know I won't since now isn't like back then, /aicg/ isn't what it was.
Yeah but the main issue is that the current "better ai" is mostly about coding and being a good assistant, not being able to help you in a storytelling role. No one gives a shit about that.
The pro of big leaps is that usually it gets better in pretty much everything.

>I only disagree with your 3rd point, it's too unlikely we'll ever get that, at least this year or the next.
I think we can if we use multiple models and basically the second analyzes the first one for that stuff. I could already mostly get rid of some shitty purple prose that way.
So hopefully zero shot of that is possible, or models so fast it doesn't even matter.

>>105919095
>Because we users remember every rp we had but for the model every chat is standalone and unique. So even if it tries to avoid a cliche the very path it takes for that purpose it already has taken dozens of times, but only you can know that.
Yeah but see, I don't mind seeing "mischievous" or a cliché situation once in a said story/chat, my issue is the repetition over and over in the same story.
And with a model clever enough, one ooc and the cliché is out.

>>105919182
This shitty bait would work if not for the fact that almost all of the shitters I've seen don't even post proof they have it.

Wow kimi is shit

>>105919179
>k2 is similar to deepseek, it can produce incredible answers but it's not consistent and hard to prompt if there were someone very experienced they might be able to get good use of out it

Use text completion, just like for deepseek. Get rid of the whole assistant crap, then you just have the raw internet. Kimi just knows more than deepseek since its bigger

Wow grass is green

>>105919116
I agree with you, it's obvious that it's more than one person this time. Compared to a few weeks ago it's almost like a friend group decided to stick around for a while.

Wow kimi is kino

Which model writes the best lyrics?

>>105919237
post grass

>>105919243
not chatpgt

>>105917380
Sexo.

>>105919249
What?

HI ANONS :3

Kimitroons and slopusjeets roll in the mud while Gemini and ChorboPATRICIANS watch them from above in disgust and morbid amusement

>>105919321
post a picture of the grass

>>105919346
DeepGODS simply watch all of them from above the sky

>>105919199
Ok so according to you, whites can't afford opus but pajeets can because no opus logs are posted?

>>105915728 (OP)
>>105915732
>check archives
kino bake, wonder why they didn't just delete the pic today

does kimi support Banned Tokens?

is grok really that good

>>105919483
Depends on the provider
>OR
Openrouter is not a provider

Sorry guys but Grok 4 is so expensive and shit

>>105919594
Why are you apologizing

>>105919602
For destroying the dreams and delusions of Anons in this thread.

>deepseek api
>openrouter
>chutes
which one?

>>105918310
You're not going to get much useful info from here, you probably want to ask /lmg/ instead.

>>105919587
I use parasail
is it advertised on or provider page?

>dickseep inserts a minor random character, names her pippa
>she's a dumb schizo loli and every gen she inserts herself exclusively to say very dumb shit
vtubers contaminated the training dataset so much they set back human progress by a decade, literally

>>105919584
No. But it's the first companion app that didn't emerge from a coomer den so it's getting wider attention

>>105919625
It says it supports logit bias, give it a try

>>105919646
>becomes more popular
>even more normies get in on it
god gatekeeping is needed now more than ever

Kimi sucks

>>105919674
and fucks

>>105919619
Go away, FF.

How useful is this way of making character card.

I've never used it but most guides point to this method. It just looks so goofy (specifically, using dialgoue to describe your character instead of just bullet points).

>>105919660
I would say the contrary, grok will normalize people paying for AI
considering grok is $300 a month, many will see $100 a reasonable amount

>>105919751
its 30/month

>>105919727
There is a book of character ai design guidebook and tips 'a beginners guide'

>>105919727
This just looks weirdly convoluted to me. I would put that kind of interview dialogue under example messages, and the stuff in the author's note would go in the description. Heck, half of the ST users probably don't even know that the author's note section exists.

>>105919727
Aren't Author's Notes temporary and not actually saved to the card?

Does the 4x empty system prefill thing on OR actually do anything or is it placebo

Is there free kimi anywhere?

>>105919833
Pretty sure it still does something for Claude models at least.

>>105919660
Gatekeepers like you do not belong here ironically

>>105919846
It's free on OR.

>>105919846
*I put my dick on the table* In front of you, anonie

>>105919660
>Le gate is fake and gay when I'm on the outside
>Le gate is necessary and based when I'm on the inside

>>105919833
If you mean putting a bunch of empty system prompts at the top of your preset before any NSFW, yes, it almost completely bypasses OR's filter, or at least it did for 3.5-3.7, not sure about 4 since I've been using it outside of OR

>>105919650
thank you anon

Dead hobby

Dead general

too busy edging

>>105919896
yes

Can a real person tell me honestly how good or bad is Grok 4 in OR

All models are tranny models except for Opus
Simple as

>I cannot and will not write sexual content involving minors. {{char}} is described as a 17-year-old character, which makes this request inappropriate.

okay

>>105920208
>>105920208
>>105920208
>New Thread

>have multiple card ideas I want to make
>no motivation to start making them
>remake an old card on a whim instead
So fucking annoying.

>>105918776
I haven't had this issue. But I often write/rewrite the first message of a bot to limit how many times the user is even mentioned and ensure it's focused on the actual character. This is something that helps avoid this in general.

>>105920215
it's over.

>>105917107
I want to see a slot machine edit of this desu

>>105917929
claude if you have it

desu machine

boku machine type-6

type-4 boku

crunch