What the fuck even is xlibre, and what's so great about it?

i wanna suck on that

>>105918451 (OP)
It's a useless protestware, thats about it.
It has no real engineers, any new meaningful commits are basically mirrored from the upstream and they merge it with zero testing.

>>105918532
That's not really true, it is protestware but almost all upstream commits from the past 18 months are also from the forker.

>>105918546
I'm talking about post-fork.

>>105918451 (OP)
It's an X server, created to be a free alternative to the [defacto] proprietary Xorg server.

>>105918451 (OP)
I explain it to you:
Xorg is an open source project so basically people contribute to it, the problem is that Xorg is controlled by a tight group that doesn't want to develop it any further (this is public knowledge) so thousands and thousands of contributions are stuck in limbo without being tested nor pushed to the main development branch.
The effect is that Xorg seems dead and Wayland fanatics use this to proclaim that no one wants to develop for Xorg.
Then comes the guy that forked Xorg (the one that has contributed to it the most lately) sees this happening and forks the project but Wayland fanatics don't like this type of behaviors and started to attack him and defame the whole operation by; Calling im a Nazi, marking his contributions as useless, Forcing group think on other developers, gate keeping the expansion of his software over distro platforms...

The guy is now sitting on mountain of gold, in reality he dosent need to code at all, just check all those pull requests bloqued over all this years and accept the ones that don't break existing code, if some break code he just has to reject it and ask the original contributior to fix it.

If you have any further question feel free to ask.

>>105918735
Why doesn't this xorg group want to continue development? And how long has this been going on?

>>105918773
Been going on since about 2015.
>why don't they want to develop it?
Because they're being paid by Red Hat, which is owned by IBM, which biggest customer is the US Military to make the entire *nix eco-system to useless to everyone that isn't them and their partners (aka "Big tech").

>>105918773
Because it increases Red Hat's power over the Linux desktop ecosystem to not to. And for about 10 years now.

>>105918821
>>105918822
Wait, so feds are actively trying to destroy open source software? Am I getting that right? Why?

>dudemanguy
>stafan
>richardpl
how come every time there's a protest fork the mpv devs show up to contribute instantly? CIA of open source.

>>105918773
Its something similar to what happened with systemd and the hundreds of little tools used before it.
Someone at the upper ups decided that it was time to replace certain tech with another newer tech, in case of xorg because its controlled by a similar group they them self decided to stop maintaining it and focus on Wayland.

The problem is that Wayland is not really a replacement for Xorg but a paradigm shift and you not against hundreds of little tools that can be cherry picked one by one but against a monolithic system that does everything you want and more so wayland devs took the uphill battle.

>>105918451 (OP)
delicious ToT

>>105918856
Funny you should mention that because they rejected richard's own protest fork behind closed doors https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/pull/14977#issuecomment-2388678862

>>105918847
>Why?
Because they don't want you to be able to own a device that isn't registered and connect it to the internet. That's basically it. They want you to rent a device from them that's already backdoor'd from the factory and tied to your real ID.

The internet and UNIX was always a DARPA/Fed project. Its been that way from the start. What happened is around the late 70s-early 80s regular people got access to both hardware and the DARPA network (remember, AT&T was also always in-bed with the feds/Government). They didn't like the power this gave to regular people. In both their ability to create things and to share them. Non-feds and later normalfags weren't exposed to the internet+relatively open hardware until the mid 90s-late 2000s depending on their desire to be into "geeky" things. Then in the 2010s came the rent-a-device so-called "smart phones" that normalfags got and jumped onto the internet with for the first time. They are pre-backdoored from the factory, mainly devices for consuming information and generate tons of meta data. Compared to the PC/Desktop they're much better end user devices in the eyes of the feds for mere mortals than the computers that came before.

We're seeing the end of the open spec hardware (x86 was a mistake in their eyes) along with open access to software/developing software.

The 1980s-2000s era of computing was not the normal state of things. It was an anomaly and mainly only allowed because they wanted to see how people would behave with more relative freedoms. They didn't like what they saw so that freedom is slowly being taken away. Nothing like old /b/ and truly open source software will be allowed to exist going forward.

In fact, soon you and I will not be able to talk to each other on the web without handing over full dox. Nor will any unregistered device be given access. The internet itself will likely be broken up into subnets as well.

>>105918949
That's a pretty dark future you're painting there. Are you telling me I'll literally have to touch grass to talk to people?

/g made me realise the importance of x and the implication it will have if lost. for that im grateful.

>>105918901
QRD on librempeg?

>>105918949
The more time passes, the more I feel like we didn't appreciate that kind of freedom enough when we had it.

>>105918988
You'll be able to talk to people all you want. Provided that;
>you're willing to do so on a device you don't control
>you're willing to do it through some service you don't control (see: discord, facebook, any other social media)
>you're willing to agree to a TOS that says they can monitor everything you say, do and think and sell it to their 'partners'
>you're willing to sign up to the above service using your Government ID
Which is already basically the state of things if you don't use stuff that's been around forever like open protocols (e.g. IRC) or set-up your own gathering place (e.g. a web forum).

Going outside is not going to help you much either. Firstly, there is almost no one to talk to because they're all phone addicts and snitches. Second, cameras and other spying devices have already gone up everywhere. So you're being tracked and all that meta data slurped up either way.

The feds LOVE meta data. It's pretty much their job to gather it, collect it and shift through it. There could only be one kind of future once the various "intelligence communities" were split off from their respective military's and being deemed above the law at the end of WW2. People think they just popped up around 1947. This is not true. They've been around for hundreds of years as part of military/Government spycraft. They've been wire tapping things since their were wires to tap (see telegram spying in US Civil War and elsewhere).

I will not verify my identity sorry , i just won't do it. I use Matrix to talk to my bros and sistas

>>105919114
How is Matrix these days? Last time I tried it, it was a total pile of fucking dogshit.

The xlibre guy doesnt even know what the xor operator does in c
the same guy supposedly maintaining a huge decade old critical operating system component
yeah right

i dont even bother engaging with the partisan politics faggotry but the dude is objectively retarded and anyone expecting xlibre to be anything more than a meme political fork is stupid

>>105919124
People always say matrix is "dogshit" or something along those lines but I think it's a disinformation operation because I've never had any problems with it

>>105918949
The spirit of free software schizos will win against this

>>105919075
Well *technically* you still have most of those 'freedoms' depending on where you live. The issue is most people do not stand their ground when challenged and will not defend other so-called "citizens" when the state abuses one.

For example; You'll often hear things like
>driving is a privilege!
from uninformed retards that have never read the US Constitution. This is unture. There is nothing in the "law" that states one much register their car, buy state issued tags for it, buy mandated insurance, abide by certain things or paid fines (e.g. seatbelt tickets, speeding tickets). Sure there is a case to be made for doing something criminal like going 120mph down a road that's posted at 20mph while school children are crossing the street. But paying a fine because some faggot saw you driving 5mph over a limit while you weren't wearing a seatbelt? Bullshit. Under US law they can do nothing to restrict your freedom of movement at all.

The issue is no one challenges it. They roll over, pay the fine, willingly sign up to agree to those fines when they "register" and so on and so forth. When a spooky man with a gun tells them to pull over they do it. Then they let him abuse them because they are cowards.

Hence why they have this "movement" of retards that think they can magically make the man with a gun go away by quoting bullshit they read on the internet. They too do not understand anything and mostly only exist so the state can lampoon anyone that actually knows the law.

The solution is not to comply and play their game. If the state tries to force you and threatens you with violence then use violence to make them go away. Band with your neighbors so your violence is more effective. This too, is the law.

But we live in a nation of cowards so more than likely you'll just get shot by said man with the gun when he calls in 20 of his friends/goons to murder you over a "seat belt violation" or whatever other excuse he makes up on the spot.

>>105919078
Sounds like the beast system. Maybe the Christians were onto something after all.

>>105919175
>from uninformed retards that have never read the US Constitution. This is unture. There is nothing in the "law" that states one much register their car, buy state issued tags for it, buy mandated insurance, abide by certain things or paid fines (e.g. seatbelt tickets, speeding tickets)
holy schizo imagine actually believing this

>>105919200
You didn't even have enough time to read my post before replying so I'm just going to assume you're a bot.

>>105919175
bruh like seriously you sound like some sovereign citizen shit rn really

>>105919208
>just shoot any cops that pull you over bro you gotta do it to defend your constitutional right to drive a car

>>105919175
The only real way you can have the kind of close knit bands of people willing to use violence to defend themselves is by having strong family bonds. If you live in a place where people are atomized individuals who aren't related to each other, they just won't be inclined to risk anything like that.

>>105919244
This, but unironically.

>>105919232
>sovereign citizen
There we go. I didn't mention this group by name but I pointed out why they exist in my original post. Then comes the idiot that tries to shame me for making the points I made above.

>>105919244
Yes. They're doing something illegal by attempting to stop you and threaten you with violence. They should absolutely be in fear of their lives and shot at.

Again: most people are retards that don't read and don't know the actual law. Just wait until you find out what the word "citizen" actually means and that there was no concept of it before the end of the US Civil War. No one that fought in that war was a "citizen" of anything and they certainly didn't free any slaves when they made up that term and illegally amended the Constitution to pass it.

I "legally" drive a car with no tags, no registration and I pay no insurance on it nor does it have to pass any tests. Thousands of other people just in my area are doing the same thing. There is a tag on it that says "farm use" but I drive it hundreds of miles away from said farm all of the time.

Also: sovereign citizen is an oxymoron and most of those videos are bullshit theater by paid actors. Of course I don't expect real conversation here of all places with all the fucking glow niggers lurking around.

>>105919258
>The only real way you can have the kind of close knit bands of people willing to use violence to defend themselves is by having strong family bonds.
Yes this is true. This is why they've worked really hard to destroy the family over the last many decades. I am lucky enough to have lived through the tail end of those times being raised in a place that was 20+ years behind the rest of the country until around the mid-2000s.

They destroyed the families and clans to destroy everyone's ability to resist. Now they've just about ready to go full China security state on us. Since there are so many alive now that don't remember how things used to be.

>>105918451 (OP)
a group of autists makes a digital riot against corporations. again.
and they don't even have a logo. dead on arrival.

>>105919283
Yes, it's well known that before the nineteenth century or so people were freely allowed to flow across borders and live / work where they wanted.

>>105918773
>Why doesn't this xorg group want to continue development?
because they want to push Wayland instead, when Wayland is nowhere near ready yet. that "xorg group" is the Free Software Foundation, which is practically owned by RedHat, which in turn is owned by IBM. they're corpotroons basically

>>105919303
In the USA this was absolutely true. If you bothered to read the US Constitution you'd know it states that the federal Government can pass no law that prevents free movement by any person between the states within the union.

Everything is a force push to master to make it look like the project is alive

>>105919308
>Free Software Foundation
i think you meant to say freedesktop.org

>>105919303
>800s AD-style serfdom was enforced globally until after the napoleonic wars
american history class was a mistake.

>>105919320
indeed. I'm tired, sorry kek

>>105919319
>everything is a force push to master
>not a single force push to master
why are phoneposters still allowed again

>>105918856
>dudemanguy
love this guy. he's the one who made the gtk3 filepicker patch and he's also one of my distro's maintainers

>>105919341
He also recently switched sides
https://dudemanguy.github.io/blog/posts/2025-02-03-wayland-xorg-2/wayland-xorg-2.html

>>105918949
You are 100% correct but its not as bleak as you make it out to be. Whatever system they envision will never be 100% effective because that is hard. probably not even 90% effective.
The 80/20 rule is going to save the internet.
Getting the corporate internet to lock everything behind a digital id is easy but are you going to shut down every guy who wants to run a bbs over ssh or hell even clear telnet? no, of course not, it would be a huge amount of effort for very little payout.
your cpu may be theoretically backdoored but pop a non intel nic and slap a custom firewall and you will probably be ok
in that sense the more this type of bullshit is deployed the more niche alternatives will be developed. cattle will remain on the cattle farm and everyone else will be free

>>105919338
You were saying?

>>105918451 (OP)
>What the fuck even is xlibre
A machine that destroys pedophiles.
>and what's so great about it?
It's literally Hitler. It burns pedophile troons alive in a giant oven. We're adding an MIT licensed BrazenBull extension to pipe their screams of agony through multiple command line tools.

>>105919295
>They destroyed the families
The biggest problem is the people's unwillingness to consider the removal of things which cause this destruction. Everyone talks about reforming the schooling system, for example, but no one talks about simply removing it altogether, seeing as it's just a tool for destroying the family and brainwashing children. Children gain absolutely nothing from a schooling system, yet people act as if the world would fall apart if it suddenly disappeared. And this is just a single thing, plenty of bs could be removed entirely from society and we'd all be better off for it.

>>105919344
he hasn't switched sides, the entire thing is basically just saying that wayland has improved, and thankfully it did
I'm not against wayland entirely either desu. I'm not using it right now because it doesn't work as well as x11 but if one day it works just as well and switching results in me not losing features I use, I won't be against it. I just want to use whatever works best for me. and speaking of this, this guy made stuff that is useful to me, so I appreciate it

>>105919354
>it would be a huge amount of effort
Not really. It's very easy to monitor this kind of traffic and to block it if you want. They aren't as concerned about shutting it all down 100% as they are about being able to monitor it.

This is typically how Government works. They do large raids then relax for awhile to let people out themselves again. If you want to see where the west is headed simply look at modern China and North Korea. Yes, both countries have a semi-tolerated black market and some people punch through their firewalls. But they those people also set themself up to be blackbagged/raided by the Government at any time the Government wants. In other words, it gives them an excuse to purge you.

Do this over several generations and eventually you don't have to enforce much anymore because you have a population of willing slaves that don't remember what freedom even is.

>>105919369
>A machine that destroys pedophiles.
>It's literally Hitler. It burns pedophile troons alive in a giant oven
I'm a pedophile and use XLibre though

>>105919378
mpv development is kind of strange. I see so much support for things like X11. But then you go into the IRC channel and they have raving lunatics that sperg out the moment it's mentioned. It's really strange.

Ironically, most of the people within the mpv "community" don't even know the basics of video/audio codecs and parrot myths about them.

>>105919398
Your cell mate is going to use your butthole in prison

>>105918451 (OP)
it's a fork of xorg, a desktop enviroment graphical engine. It's been buggy since conception so wayland surpassed it as an alternative. The problem is troons took over the development of both so a few chuds got mad about wayland and decided to keep xorg alive through xlibre, as a statement against troons. It's similar to what happened with Gnome and MATE many years ago, minus the troons.

>>105919425
>please believe in my left/right divide bullshit
>Did I use enough of the right buzzwords to convince you?
I want faggots like you to leave.

>>105919425
>as a statement against troons.
did you even read the readme anon they said they don't care if you're a troon

>>105919379
even if they monitor everything there are limits to what you can do with the data and if you deploy ai you are just putting more bullshit between the decision maker and the data.
the system becomes too big and complex and when you couple that with who makes up the government you have disaster in the making.
your average civil servant is shit and its not different at the DoD or CIA.
people need to relax and look at any government program from any state in the world. its all half measures combined with smoke and mirrors
so relax, fire up ssh and find a bbs, shit post, build a bomb in your backyard, do whatever you want to do
if they idea muh government is all knowing and all controlling stops you they have already won in your mind and don't need to do the rest.

>>105919417
that applies to the entire codebase. it supports so much nice/experimental stuff that's basically only useful for debugging mpv/ffmpeg/your graphics drivers and has three fucking plugin systems to run arbitrary code but based on the IRC chat you'd think they were trying to build the gnome video player with how much they suggest ripping out entire folders of code.

people in this thread probably believe other conspiracy theories like jesuits controlling israel or that trump was never really shot at

conspiracy theorists tend to believe a bunch of them at the same time even when they contradict

>>105919417
>>105919671
That's completely normal for people who work on things. I work in manufacturing and all the mechanics constantly bitch and moan about how all our machines should just be de-installed. Of course nothing ever happens because they're just musing.

>>105919688
Personally I think the ability to play videos in mpv is bloat and should be removed

>>105919687
>conspiracy theorists tend to believe a bunch of them at the same time even when they contradict
Kind of like leftoids screeching about how white men are evil and controlling everything while systematically excluding them from education and jobs. Then when the policies they implement cause problems they turn around and blame the white men who weren't even around and didn't know what was happening. Is that what you're referring to?

>>105919377
agreed, its toxic and only produces slaves for the system.

>>105919687
People like you tend to be retarded and not worth listening to. Which is what I'm choosing to do. Must be some truth ITT if you're here attempting to distract from it and attack the authors of such posts.

Rule of thumb: when they resort to personal attacks and shaming you know OP is always over the target.

>>105918451 (OP)
xlibre is the epitome of people loving to talk about shit but never do anything about it.

>>105920153
He says while the public repo gains more contributors and pull requests everyday.

Is there even a reason to use xlibre over x11 or even wayland on a mainstream DE like KDE?

>>105920706
xlibre is an x11 implementation

>>105920153
xlibre is the result of "doing something about it"