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>CASE
mATX: Asus Prime AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lian Li Lancool 217, Antec C8, Antec Flux Pro
AVOID: NXZT, 'Silent' cases, fanless cases, Corsair 6500

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 9600X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB / 6000CL30
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Used GPU between $100-$250
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090 ti or non ti

>PSU
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
https://pcmonitors.info/recommendations/

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>105870415

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>105908993

how much is the white tax?

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super rumors: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB
Zen 6 rumored to reach 7ghz or higher clocks

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?usp=sharing

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>>105919787 (OP)
Any good place to sell old PC parts? R*ddit r/hardwareswap seems popular, but they have account age reqs which are probably impossible to get since r*ddit will auto-b& accounts for no reason now. eBay is an option but I'd like to avoid it as much as possible.

>>105919798
I'm seeing white gigabyte aorus 50 euros more expensive than black one.

>>105919842
Whites are always more expensive

>>105919787 (OP)
>>105919815
Tsk tsk tsk, removing GeForce cards & Intel processors in the recommendations.
AMD hardware owners are so mentally fragile.

>RTX 3090 ti or non ti
>or non ti
If you want a dead 3090, sure.

>>105919815
>RTX 50 Super rumors: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB
I feel like I know the answer but will release of those gpu drop the price of 5000 series that are already out?

>>105919882
NVIDIA doesn't do price drops unless it's a big mistake like the $1200 4080.
Even though that wasn't an official price drop, NVIDIA just stopped producing the OG 4080.

>>105919880
>removing GeForce cards
>Workstation: Used RTX 4090 or RTX 3090 ti or non ti
take your meds njudea fanboy

>>105919931
You took out the 5060Ti 16GB and all the other GeForce cards that was posted in the omissions >>105908999
The insecurity is palpable.
Go ahead and recommend people to buy the time bomb that is the regular 3090, like the retard you are.

>>105919690
bump

No Nvidia or Intel in recommendations outside of the 4090/3090, I hate you niggers so much it's unreal

5070 and 5070ti best value cards this gen btw

>105919880
>105919946
shalom

>RTX 3090 ti or non ti
Should I get used 3090 16gb for 550 EUR or 3090 Ti 24gb for 800 EUR for my i7 7700K?

Or do I bite the bullet and do a modest upgrade centered around i5 14400F & RTX 5070? I can reuse DDR4, SSD, cooler etc. to save money. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LPL3GJ
The used 3000 are installed in home PCs of respective sellers so I doubt they were abused hard.

I have the money for like ~2300EUR Ryzen 7 7800X3D & 5070 Ti upgrade, but I plan to continue gaming on 1080p 60hz so it doesn't seem to be worth it.

>>105919964
I wouldn't blame anon much. I need to remind ChatGPT 5000 series is already out.

>>105919964
The faggot even took out the B580 in the budget card; some AMD hardware owners are extremely insecure.

>>105919964
5070 sucks.
5070 Ti is the best in its price class right now, true.

>>105919948
It's very hard to get a build for $600 but that's pretty respectable for what it is. Never heard of that PSU brand but it should be fine if it's 750W albeit overkill. I'd be happy with that for the money.

Oh, so the OP is the Niconigger. That explains everything.

>>105919982
I'm not OP and have no horse in this race, but after looking into Intel I came to conclusion that it is simply not mature enough currently, especially for older titles. I do hope that Intel doesn't fucking die and keeps ironing out drivers so we can get 3rd competitor on the market, competition is always good for consumers.

>>105919982
nice budget gpu that doesn't function properly with budget cpus. b580 is likely to be purchased to upgrade older systems and therefore cannot be recommended in good faith until the driver overhead issue is fixed. no one that is buying this gpu is gonna be pairing it with a 9800x3d.

You can cope all you want but objectively Nvidia GPUs are the best. The market has spoken. Not sure why we're arguing about this. You should be pissed off at AMD for not being competitive and allowing Jewvidya to rape everyone with their monopoly.

>>105919991
You leave her out of this. She's cute, wholesome, and funny!

>>105919999
The B580 is fine, don't act like AMD or NVIDIA's offering a decent $250 alternative.
Intel's board partners have been asking for more B580 chip supplies because they can't keep up with demand.
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/completed%20intel%20arc/

>>105920004
during Radeon 4870 times those cards were better for mining than Nvidia
I guess someone didn't keep up with the times
no idea how that happened considering for a while, and currently, AMD CPUs are reigning the market over Intel

>>105920019
Yeah, if you can get it at MSRP

>>105920014
I like the part where the nigger admitted he thought about buying the 5070 Ti.
Even that kid knew the card was worth buying.

>>105919991
who is this even? me thinks ur a parasocial retard that needs to get a life outside of this general. i just came here to get advice on my new build but i think i'll head elsewhere now. kill yourselves

>>105920032
They're still cheaper than any of AMD or NVIDIA's better cards.
You can't get the 9070 XT @ MSRP either.

>>105920043
That is the mentally ill OP who believes there's a conspiracy against AMD.
You can leave, no one will miss you.

>>105920019
>>105920055
I checked and B580 is doing better than I expected in Cyberpunk 2077 at Ray Tracing Ultra.
https://youtu.be/j0d3jh__fVc?t=641
I mean 35FPS isn't comfortable, but I expected it to do much worse. Do they have any plans to make higher end CPU? Like, twice more powerful at least?

meanwhile in reality
https://xenospectrum.com/intel-cpus-sudden-increase-in-crashes-due-to-extreme-heat/
>nips are suffering intealiv crashes left and right thanks to the summer
>13/14th affected the most
ayyl mao

>>105919987
>5070 sucks.
Not when you remember it's $550 and the gap between it and the ti is basically negligible at 1080p and usually like 15% at 1440p.
>>105919982
They don't like it that they can't even win in the budget category

>>105919988
I want to put 3090 or 3080 after 1-2 years, I could buy 400w psus but this one had A tier rank in the tierlists and was so cheap compared to its quality
Only if there were 10 dollar cases, every cases are 60 dollar minimum

>>105920069
Weeb here, they cheap out on Air conditioning due to high electricity cost. When your room is 40°C no wonder your PC overheats.
>>105920076
>Not when you remember it's $550
NTA but it's 700 EUR here...

>>105920019
>>105920055
>>105920063
See >>105920002
the shilling of this overhyped craptel junk needs to stop. you are better off spending a little more and getting 9060 XT 16GB which has more vram and is faster. >>105920019
>decent $250 alternative.
better off looking at used market if you want a gpu under 300 dollars. you can find used rdna 2 cards that are faster than the b580 for 300 or less with some deal hunting on FB marketplace from people that upgraded to 9000 series.

>>105920069
OP recommended people to upgrade the BIOS to avoid related issues, dumbass.
It's always shithead OPs that change the mood of this general.

Manipulating the OP won't change the reality that GeForce and the B580 are highly demanded & performant cards irl.

>>105920002
>>105920102
No other outlet has been able to replicate that level of performance degradation.

/g/ is truly the most autistic blue board.

>>105920104
in reality 9070 XT is faster than 5070 ti after just a few months of ayymd fine wine
coping and crying of "AMDSTEVE" to follow below this post
>>105920117
>ITS NOT REAAAL!!!!
i accept your concession

>>105920133
Rude

>>105919787 (OP)
would a 600watt psu be ok with a intel arc-b580

>>105920102
>you are better off spending a little more and getting 9060 XT 16GB
Costs 40% more for less than 40% performance gain. Worse off.
>better off looking at used market
Some people prefer not to buy used cards.

>>105920104
its still a retarded gamble
also im not the opnigger
anyone that doesnt suck nvidia/intels mutilated cock is not one person
>pedonigger is (((gone)))
>theres stilll 1 or two (((anons))) that talk like him, word by word, image by image
maybe you should investigate why is this still a thing

>>105920142
>in reality 9070 XT is faster than 5070 ti after just a few months of ayymd fine wine
NTA but I'm not seeing it in benchmarks. And they cost almost the same. And with Nvidia, I can run LLM shit. Can AMD card do that? Genuinely asking. https://youtu.be/xyQqQABhEDs

a heavily discounted 14900k on the latest bios + undervolted really is a decent cpu. my roommate has one and it performs pretty close to my 7800x3d and it doesn't go above 80 degrees. brand loyalty is retarded just get whats cheap

>>105920142
The OP in the previous threads didn't include the 5070 Ti, it was part of the omissions list which you deleted.
Didn't you say you were fucking off after the DLSS pedo guy left? Why are you here, shitting up the general?

>>105920142
Literally, no other tech reviewer replicated those B580 benchmarks.

>>105920161
>doesnt suck nvidia/intels mutilated cock
You're the one that's creating a brand war out of pcbg's recommendations, you're the one sucking corporate cock.

People were fine with the recent OPs, don't start brand wars.
>>105901411

Recommending All-AMD hardware won't solve your insecurities.

>>105920164
Question is, if I only game in 1080p, should I get 14400F with RTX 5070 or 14900K with RTX 5070 Ti? The difference in build cost is literally 2 times. 7800x3d build costs as much as 14900k one, but I'm retarded and want intel.

can we talk about peripherals? what is a good mic to get?

>>105920161
>its still a retarded gamble
Covered by a 5-year extended warranty, just sell it after 4~5 years when there's much better CPUs in the market.

>>105912457 (me) again I think I might’ve bought the wrong fans… but these were the only ones available. I got 6 ARCTIC P12s, and I thought they were supposed to blow air into the case but it looks like they actually blow out from the side without the ARCTIC logo.
I was planning to use 3 on the bottom and 3 mounted vertically, and I also got the ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III for the top.
I guess I’ll just have to flip them and hide the logo if I still want to use them as intake?
The full model is A-RGB ARCTIC P12 PWM PST

>>105920168
>Didn't you say you were fucking off after the DLSS pedo guy left? Why are you here, shitting up the general?
idk who either of these people are. this is me >>105920043

i was going to post my pc part picker of my new build and ask for thoughts last thread but saw it was at bump limit so i thought id make a new one first to get more interaction with my post and just changed a few things in op i thought were bloated and dumb

now after this i think im gonna leave u spergs to scream at each other and have schizoid delusion about the micro celebs you have in this general and go ask about my build on the pc part picker forums or maybe even r*dd*t

fuck u all

>>105920211
You don't have to make a blogpost like a bitch, just leave.

>>105920206
>they actually blow out from the side without the ARCTIC logo.
Anon...all of the fans blow air towards the technical details sticker on the back, where plastic supports meet central motor hub...

>>105920197
I mean if I had to pick between a 14900k and a 7800x3d at the same price id pick the 7800x3d but both sound overkill for the kinda build you want. The 14900k does suck a lot of power and properly undervolting it is a real hassle, its only worth it if you find a deal.

You should think about getting a better monitor oneday they've really come a long way since 1080p tn/ips slop.

>>105920203
>just buy a time bomb because its cheap bro, if it doesnt explode just sell it to someone else
no thanks mr shekelberg

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>105920245
It doesn't explode anymore after the firmware updates, dumbass.
The degraded boxed CPUs have been replaced by Intel. No one is talking about this anymore.
OEM/trays are the seller's responsibility to replace.

I'm open to the idea of buying AMD GPU. In fact, until my current GTX 1060 I had cards like R9 270, 6850, 4870, 4850 etc. I changed coolers on them, overclocked them, it was lovely.

But for example in Cyberpunk, what is the shit that I'm hearing that I need to install mods to get equivalent analogues to Nvidia DLSS & FG? Is ray tracing for AMD GPU not supported natively yet?

Mental illness, always the AMD shills btw.

>>105920233
Huh, so… do you always have to hide the logo when using them as intake in fish tank cases?

>>105920242
when will you niggers understand that theres no such thing as a overkill cpu?
its matter of budget
unless the new lga 1700 cpu with zero goy cores is real, theres no reason to go with that platform anymore

>>105920294
Bro they're spinning the fuck do you care about the logo lmao?

>>105920279
9070 XT can handle RT fine, PT less so but it's a meme.
You'll need Optiscalar mod to enable the latest Radeon upscaler (FSR4) for that game.

>>105920286
That's pretty funny

>>105920309
Mental illness is indeed funny, especially when they have a warped view of reality.

>>105920279
RT works, pathtracing looks like ass. If you buy a 9000 series GPU and want to use FSR 4 you will need to use optiscaler

>105920286
>the njudean cries out in pain as he strikes you
remember pic related around the new gpu launches when we had an unpaid brand warrior spamming ngreedia propaganda PS with the same pics over and over again for a month straight. I do. Nevermind the dlss tard that was ruining this general for 10 years straight until very recently. When nvidiots shit up the thread with spam its whatever you won't say anything but if someone spams something negative about (((GoyForce ))) it's a huge problem ruining the general (((you))) need to stop sucking (((Jensens))) cock.

RTX 5070 :


Shading Units
6144

TMUs
192

ROPs
80

SM Count
48

Tensor Cores
192

RT Cores
48

L1 Cache
128 KB (per SM)

L2 Cache
48 MB

RTX 5070 TI :


Shading Units
8960

TMUs
280

ROPs
96

SM Count
70

Tensor Cores
280

RT Cores
70

L1 Cache
128 KB (per SM)

L2 Cache
48 MB

>45% moar cores, but only +30% in 3dmark and half that in games over a 5070

RTX 5080 :


Shading Units
10752

TMUs
336

ROPs
112

SM Count
84

Tensor Cores
336

RT Cores
84

L1 Cache
128 KB (per SM)

L2 Cache
64 MB

>20% moar cores and like 30% more l2 cache and 20% in 3dmark and usually close to that in gaymes

Can someone make this make sense to me? Am I retarded what am I missing here, the performance scaling doesn't make sense.
>>105920197
14400f is for sure going to bottleneck a 5070 in basically everything at 1080p. If you can't don't want a 9x50x3d why not like the i9+the 5070+1080p?

>>105920295
i liked the estrogen core design, the bpfland scheduler on linux works really well with estrogen core cpus

>>105920363
What a LONG ass post
):<

>>105920303
I mean yeah... but I'm just confused since I've been watching a couple of videos like pic related, and I'm pretty sure this is not intake right?

>>105920362
The creators of those OPs aren't the one making the recent ones, you mentally fragile retard.
Stick to the recent OPs.

You're manufacturing brand wars that don't exist because your life's bankrupt even with that precious 9070 XT.
https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/intel-arc-b570-battlemage-gpu-review-benchmarks-low-end-cpu-tests-efficiency

>>105919964
>>105919987
>>105920004
>>105920104
>>105920189
>>105920314
>t.
These posts were all brought to you buy pcs powered with GeForce™ GTX™ 1660s in the Philippines and other SEA nigger countries

>>105920304
>>105920323
Thanks for clarification. I did not mean path tracing, just ray tracing and upscaler to compensate for low frames. I gave up on path tracing (overdrive) since only unobtaniums like 4090/5090 seem to run it reliably.

I'm not seeing 9070 XT being faster than 5070 Ti at RT Ultra in youtube tests at least. The cost the same here and if I need to install separate shit into my game to get upscaler functionality to boost frames, I will just go with camp green.

I also used LLM and want to get back into it again, last time I checked only Nvidia with CUDA drivers can run them.

>>105920363
>Can someone make this make sense to me? Am I retarded what am I missing here, the performance scaling doesn't make sense.
Bus bandwidth?

>14400f is for sure going to bottleneck a 5070 in basically everything at 1080p.
Bottleneck how? I'm fine at bottleneck over 100fps, I'm only expecting comfortable 60fps.

Yes better CPUs can get 20%+ out of 5070 but do I really need them on 1080p?

>>105920382
So the CPU has liquid cooling radiator at the top, blowing out, GPU is air-cooled. I frankly don't know what the fuck of trio LED fans are doing. They're blowing front of picture to the back, from left to right if you look at the case frontally. Maybe they're some sort of holographic shit projecting on rotating surface?

yall should get a job instead of spending your days simping for billion dollar corporations

>>105920145
bump
every site i look at goes all over the place

>>105920406
>t. Canadian white trash is treating his 9070 XT as some sort of status symbol because it's the most valuable product he's ever owned.
Insecurity. That used GTX 1080 is a massive chip on your shoulders.

>>105920429
I was given SPL PSU Tier list reference in this thread, seems solid.

>>105920429
600W is fine, it's the minimum recommended PSU capacity.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241598/intel-arc-b580-graphics/specifications.html

>>105920418
I spend my days simping for my idols of choice on >>>/mu/kpop thank you very much, but I'm banned from /mu/ so here we are. (:
Nvidia won.

>80 replies of the thread wasted with seethe replies because a few nvidia fanboys ITT can't handle other anons having a different opinion
sigh and i was enjoying how peaceful these threads were. time to leave for a few threads.

>>105920457
But anecdotally, I've noticed 600W PSUs are very cheap and shitty relative to the 750W ones for not that much more money.

>>105920470
I think the issue was OP removing some of Intel & Nvidia recommendations for zero good reason.

>>105920470
It's /pcbg/ what is there to talk about? Build any neat PCs lately?

>>105920470
Cause and effect, the insecure AMD hardware owner is the one who wiped off perfectly fine hardware recommendations from the OP & omissions list.
Because Hardware Unboxed says so. Kek'd.

>>105920470
>can't handle other anons having a different opinion
you stupid little nigger it's all amd in the op, there's not even the "omissions" section that a reasonable anon added.

>>105920475
A Corsair CX 550 is good & safe enough to power a system with a B580.

>>105920479
Not recommending Intel CPUs for example makes sense because... of course it does, but the other shit does seem like either intentionally trolling or just being stupid. So the reactions are completely justifiable.

>>105920479
I think the issue is you/him giving enough of a shit about this to flip out. Truly the most autistic blue board on 4chan.

>>105920482
idk custom water cooling I guess? is that still even a thing?

>>105920501
You're the one who got this wrong.
It's the insecure OP who's desperate to validate his AMD hardware purchases.

>>105920498
>Not recommending Intel CPUs for example makes sense because... of course it does,
Previous op had "if heavily discounted" and last I checked 13-14th gen of Intel is really discounted a lot right now. What does AMD even have for $140-200 range? Necro from 2020?

>>105920490
its handling a 1070 just fine for nearly 6 years

>>105920526
I don't give a flying fuck about brand wars or which color tribe is dunking on the other. Who started it is irrelevant since you're all autistic faggots.
As a matter of fact my the boomers in my family are a bunch of brand-tribalists for Intel not because they think the products are better but simply because they happen to own a shitton of shares of the stock from who the fuck knows when. They go absolutely apoplectic if you even suggest buying AMD anything since they think it's making their precious moneyline go down. Hell, they managed to spin the 14 series' self-destructive tendencies into a plus since they cope by thinking it means people will have to buy more CPU's to replace the shitty ones.

>>105920314
Why doesn't anyone talk about the fact that radeon market share is only low now because its not just white countries building pcs nowadays? It makes sense since of course retarded Indians and and SEA monkeys are much more likely to fall for GeForce four times the fake frames and 5070 = 4090 performance false hype marketing. Just like how Apple products are much more popular and seen as status symbols in these third world countries because they are lower iq and believe the marketing.

>>105920558
We are not the ones who created the shitheap of an OP, we are entitled to complain that the OP reeks of brand-war shit.
Because the creator of this OP is a mentally ill shithead filled with insecurities.

>>105920314
I like how you can see a point when people dropped AMD for Intel and then immediately were like "fuck that" and went back to AMD

>>105920435
>chip on your shoulders
good morning sir

>>105919787 (OP)
what specs for 1440 and at least 90 fps?

>>105920573
I'm well aware. They think that anyone telling them to cut out the tribalist faggotry is on the other team because of terminal directionbrain.

>>105920575
Can you even use the intel GPU's for AIslop? That's probably the only use case for them at this point since they don't seem to be good for gayyyyyyyyming.

>>105920560
You have shit analytical skills.
2014 is the year when the GTX 900 was released, and Radeon has fallen behind GeForce equivalents since then.
That also happens to be a period when AMD had to bet their future on Epyc & Ryzen CPUs, they weren't in a position to invest heavily into Radeon R&D.

>>105920573
You're the one flipping out at the OP omitted your precious /othertribe/ brand so you're in fact contributing to the brand war shit. Hypocrite much?

>>105920560
>fall for GeForce four times the fake frames and 5070 = 4090 performance false hype marketing.
No one here is shilling MFG, you're the one talking about it rent-free™.
Everyone knew Jensen was shilling some frame generation slop, and he admitted on stage.

anyone knows why windows sometimes sets monitor to a different hz
I literally never in my life will manually go and turn my 240hz monitor to 120hz but often I've gone to check it out and its just 120hz.
Why?
I may use things like win + p to set windows to extended to enable a tv and then back to single monitor but I dont see how that relates to monitor hz settings.

>>105920617
As stated in >>105920573 , we are entitled to complain that the OP reeks of brand-war shit.
Don't want complaints about the OP? Don't put up shit.

To elaborate on my choice problem
>>105920363
>14400f is for sure going to bottleneck a 5070 in basically everything at 1080p. If you can't don't want a 9x50x3d why not like the i9+the 5070+1080p?
>>105920417
>Bottleneck how? I'm fine at bottleneck over 100fps, I'm only expecting comfortable 60fps.
>Yes better CPUs can get 20%+ out of 5070 but do I really need them on 1080p?

Also, I wanted to add: I want NVIDIA GPU for DLSS + FG + LLM reasons.

There is nothing I can buy in my shithole between RTX 3060 12GB (350 EUR) and RTX 5070 12GB (700 EUR) that is worth the money.

5060 Ti is also around 700 EUR.
4060 Ti is around 600 EUR.
4070 SUPER Ti are unicorns at 800-900 EUR.
There are no 4080 on the market at all.
Even 3090/3090Ti are rare at around 500-800 EUR used.
There is no middle ground between 𝟯𝟬𝟲𝟬 𝗮nd 𝟱𝟬𝟳𝟬 here, nothing is 𝗮v𝗮il𝗮ble.

So yeah, 5070 is going to be bottlenecked by i5-14400F. But there's nothing NVIDIA sells here that I can buy cheaper than 5070.

The 14400F build is like 1100 Euros with 5070.
The i9 14900K build would be 2300 Euros, which would be fine, but I am not sure that I need it for 1080p 60hz.
Ryzen 7 7800X3D would also be around 2300 Euros but again, I am not sure I need this level of performance for 1080p 60hz.

I would LIKE to have NVIDIA GPU that is between 3060 and 5070 in price and performance, but there are none for sale here.
I checked amazon & ebay too, same prices with delivery and tariffs.

>>105920643
Or you can just ignore it like most normal reasonable people instead of throwing an autistic hissyfit.

>>105920643
>, we are entitled to complain that the OP reeks of brand-war shit.
>Don't want complaints about the OP? Don't put up shit.
So basically what you're saying is any troll can just hijack the OP with some bait and then you'll proceed to ruin the rest of the thread for them with whining instead of just ignoring it? Retard.

>>105920653
If the OP wants to put up a pile of shit, I am entitled to call it out as the biased shit-heap it is.

>>105920658
The thread is already ruined with that OP.

>>105920660
And I'm entitled to be correct to call you out on your annoying, autistic, enabling behavior.

>>105920658
Internet quality control is a thankless job. Sometimes all you can do is bitch about it on the internet, and usually it works!

>>105920672
Continue to be the subservient bitch of the shitposter, you seem to be used to it.

>>105920681
>Retard doesn't realize by whining he is giving the troll that hijacked the OP exaty what he wants
Lol
>>105920679
>Let's feed the troll that always works!!
Another low iq retard lmao

>>105920692
trololololloool lololol...

Clean, unbiased, no flame war instigating thread.
I suggest that the OP of this thread rename his future thread as /amdpcbg/, as that is the main intent of his threads.
>>105920723
>>105920723
>>105920723

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2yL82x Thanks to everyone’s advice here, I’ve already bought everything and have it with me, ready to build, except for the GPU (still haven’t decided which one to get).
I was thinking about going ahead and building the PC anyway using an old GTX 1060 from my current build.
Will I run into any driver issues or anything like that when I swap in the new card later?

>Let's makes spam duplicate thread 100 replies in and divide the general that will show the troll!!!
pcbg is shit and will always be shit until you retards learn that dealing with trolls is as simple as ignoring them

>>105920788
No, what we need is a clean break.
The OP of this thread can continue make his /amdpcbg/ threads.

>>105920782
everythings gonna be fine
the driver issues may have conflicts when swapping between vendors but I've only ever used nvidia so who knows

>>105920782
>Will I run into any driver issues or anything like that when I swap in the new card later?
Very unlikely if you're upgrading to a 5070 Ti with the latest drivers installed.
If you get a Radeon card, run DDU in safe mode to completely remove NVIDIA drivers.

>>105920807
>>105920808
Nice thanks ! I'll probably get a 5070TI anyway

It's really infuriating that months after the 9070xt launch you STILL can't buy it at the 599 "MSRP". You can get 5070ti's at their 750 dollar base msrp easily now while the 9070xt at 599 is impossible to buy in America. C'mon

>105920748
>105919964
>105919946
>105919880
>105920643
>Njudean shitskin shills CRYING about how everyone but them knows how terrible value-for-money their shit gpus are
>immediately screeches about memetracing scores, as if that actually matters to anyone not taking SS's in cyberpunk
cope pajeets lmao. Get real jobs you fucking losers.

>>105920626
your gpu may be forcing the setting to change itself.

>>105920869
it doesnt matter what gpu you pick, afaik, if you uninstall all gpu drivers, then unplug your 1060, then plug in another gpu, they all have a bog-standard driver that you will be able to functionally use your pc to install the proper driver for the relevant gpu.

>>105920926
>cope
This OP is the cope.

>>105920918
both parties lied about their msrp. Njudea is ~22-26% more expensive for equivalent products in australia generally.

>>105920918
who cares if you can buy cheap nvidia

>>105920926
AMD cards will sell themselves with no shilling needed if it's good. The way you act ironically throws suspicion onto Radeon being garbage because of the obvious lies you're spreading.

>>105919882
price drop has been happening for a while now
therefore yes

more important question is 'will quality improve?'

>105920932
the only ones unable to cope are whiny fags like you lmao.
>105920974
If that were true you wouldnt need to constantly pretend that amd doesn't exist and that the only choice whenever anyone wants advice about gpus is Njudea, stop lying, its pathetic. Its especially obvious when 99% of the shill posts displaying Njudean 'superiority' are memetracing-ultra scores, a feature 95% of gamers simply never use.

You need LLM/AI/3Drendering/editing? sure, use-case is obvious, but outside of that in most scenarios AMD is the better choice and by far the more ethical, if you believe otherwise, you're the one spreading obvious lies.

>>105921018
>>105919882
there will be no discernable price drop. This has repeated itself many times in history for Njudea in the last ~6 years, they deliberately structure their launches so that they suddenly run out of supply worldwide with little warning, you will be unable to source almost any Njudea gpus for up to ~1 month before the launch of the next one. You might see XYZ gpus discounted a bit, for a short period of time, but that will be just before all stock runs out and will be a per-distributer basis, not a genuine discount from Njudea themselves.

Amd does this aswell, sometimes, but its a case of supply issues to begin with. Strangely enough it hasnt happened with the 9000 series, they've been releasing the 7900xtx consistently post-9000 launch, which is strange as there's no reason to buy one outside of VRAM as opposed to a 9070xt, which is often cheaper ironically.

Is there any new budget am5 motherboard that comes with a post display?
All the options i've seen are all over 250 dollars. I don't need a midrange motherboard for a 9600x

>>105921057
>far the more ethical
Very ethical AMD.

>>105921057
RT & DLSS weren't developed to set AMD back; NVIDIA's workstation customers needed hardware-accelerated RT performance.
NVIDIA developed RTX & DLSS for gamers to make use of that existing hardware, as they don't waste money designing a dedicated gaming GPU.
This is how UDNA is going to be designed for Radeon.

The industry is in agreement regarding RT anyway. Even Nintendo is patenting RT rendering.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2025/06/three-nintendo-ray-tracing-and-rendering-related-patents-published-in-japan

>105921113
you are using the 4chan x randomizer now to make it so people can't track your posts through the archive but i remember seeing you make this exact post with the same image before enkidu. reminder to everyone that the dlss pedo never stopped posting he just changed his style a bit and tries to appear more neutral but is still shilling ngreedia harder than ever like the good little cock slut he is for jensen

>105921113
fuck off dlss-schizo-pedo, kys.

>>105921095
this accusation gets leveled at Njudea+AMD everytime there's a new flagship launch, it means little unless users mass-confirm it and there's a recall. You're grasping at straws shill.

>>105921148
careful when exposing the pedo, you'll get banned for 'doxxing' by the tranny jannys, post the pastebin link instead.

>>105921148
I'm not him, you literally have that guy stuck in your head rent-free™.
I bet the DLSS guy is having a great time over this.

I've argued against him plenty of times.

>>105920748
nice filename on that image, i wonder where its sourced from

>>105921179
It's called Google Image search results.

>>105921166
>it means little unless users mass-confirm it and there's a recall
>'it means little if it's AMD's problem'
kek'd.

>105921211
>Brand warring against radeon spamming flame war inciting images
We all know its you enkidu you aren't fooling anyone

>>105921228
Showing the truth isn't brand warring, and I'm not that guy you're obsessed with.
Very ethical AMD.

>>105920589
depends on the game and settings
4070 super / ti super with dlss quality, 4080 for native
7800x3d

>>105920918
Why not buy a 5070 Ti then? Is this some religious or ideological issue? I would have bought a 9070 XT if it had been available for 600 or even for 650 here. I felt no obligation to buy a GeForce but the pricing of the 9070 XT was very unfavorable at that time, much more even than today.

>105921253
>105921211
kys pedo-schizo.

>>105920589
5070ti+9070xt will do that easily on native, it really depends on the game frankly.

>>105921166
>this accusation gets leveled at Njudea+AMD everytime there's a new flagship launch, it means little unless users mass-confirm it and there's a recall. You're grasping at straws shill.
wrong. its specifically about the 7900xt and 7900xtx because the 7900xt often lost to the 6950xt in games at launch.

>>105921148
Seethe, DLSS schizo literally doesn't exist, he's a boogeyman for radeon shills in this general.
Even if he did you're 1000x more deranged anyways

>>105921388
Ethical AMD didn't bother to fix the performance & efficiency-related bugs, that's how they ended up with so many unsold 7900M GPUs that were converted to the 7900 GRE.

The last time I built a PC was like five ish years ago and I've been thinking about doing a new full build recently. Since then I've gotten really into Blender/3D graphics in general as a hobby and (very small) side hustle.
I know that Blender generally plays well with Nvidia GPUs but other than that I don't really know what I should be looking for when it comes to hardware. Can anyone point me in the right direction of what to look for in a rig for 3D motion graphics/general creative work type stuff? Not really interested in video game performance.
I'll probably sell my current complete setup (2070, Ryzen 5 3600, 16gb ram) and would like to shoot for the $1200 - $1500 range on a whole new build. Not asking for anybody to put a full list together (but if you want to or have something that fits what I'm looking for please feel free to share), just want to know what to look for in a GPU/CPU mostly. I'm in America. Thank you :)

>>105921475
Then you probably want intel since they offer very good multicore performance outside of games. Intel core ultra 7 265Ks are going for nothing now so you should consider getting that.
Other than that, a modern Nvidia GPU with 16gb or more vram will work well. So, 4060ti 16gb would be ideal. If it's too pricy, the 3060 12gb should do fine too

>>105921475
More CPU cores are generally better for production workloads.
Ryzen 7900X, 9900X, and Intel 265K are the more cost-efficient multi-core CPUs.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d-and-9900x3d-content-creation-review/#Game_Dev_Virtual_Production_Unreal_Engine

You should get a 16GB card for content creation.
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/nvidia-5060-ti-vs-amd-9060-xt-for-content-creation/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/amd-radeon-rx-9070-xt-content-creation-review/
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/do-graphic-and-motion-designers-need-geforce-rtx-50-series-gpus/

>>105921569
>>105921599
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you so much, gonna do some more research and start messing around on pc part picker.

>>105921259
>>105921359
damn mang do i really have to spend 650 dollars for the graphics card? these shits are never coming down are they?

>>105921649
>these shits are never coming down are they?
Prices will continue to go up as long as the chips are being made by TSMC.

>>105921057
>For the most part AMD makes better hardware
less performance, worse efficiency, worse architectural scaling, does not better hardware make

>>105921682
But they undercut NVIDIA!

>>105921690
they make worse hardware and sell it at a discount, AMD jeets should just be honest about what AMD is, a temu NVIDIA

>>105921682
missing rops, melting connector, 600 watt power draw house fire Flagship, cut down dies, broken drivers that bricked cards at launch, does not better hardware make

>>105921717
>missing rops, melting connector, 600 watt power draw house fire Flagship,
All covered under warranty, used 4090 is selling @ above MSRP right now if people want to de-risk their purchase.

>cut down dies
This just means NVIDIA doesn't need to use the best desktop GPU to beat AMD, so they're designs are better.

>broken drivers that bricked cards at launch
No relevance today.

>>105921717

>>105921736
Out of how many 4090 and 5090s sold?
People can resell their used 4090 at a profit if they feel unsafe about their purchase.

>>105918055
> it's not that much more expensive.
You mean twice more expensive?

I leave for a month now and you're still seething and strawmanning me as a schizo and pedo. Yikes get a job retard

>>105921735
>Just wait 1 year for nvidia to send you one of the five cards from that next batch of 5090s that they generously decide to make instead of using the silicon for data center because they dont give a shit about quality control anymore and sold cards with broken hardware and an unsafe power delivery mechanism
>Just stop fucking complaining okay goy nvidia did nothing wrong
Kys shill

>>105921717
cut down dies utterly rape AMDs best in performance and efficiency? That’s embarrassing

I've spent the last two years dreaming and planning my build. Hundreds of hours on this general and at some point I started to wonder what was the point of it all.
I tell myself I'm going to play all these games I couldn't but will I really? I can barely find motivation to play the ones I can now.
Also even though I've done so much research into building I just don't feel anything anymore. Part of me wants to just not think about it and buy some shitty prebuilt and keep playing the same games I've been playing. It's hard to justify spending a used car amount of money on a tiny box that I'll probably fuck up somehow.
I think I've researched myself into a corner and don't know how to find the joy I had when I first began dreaming about it.

>>105921763
4090 card owners can literally sell their cards at a profit; used 5090s are selling well above $2000.

>>105921763
more people bought 5090s than all RDNA4 cards combined

>>105918207
> blyad get separate SSDs for OS and games
That's plain stupid. You need to get one big SSD. It always was like that, you most of the time need just one storage.

>>105921761
>strawmanning me as a pedo
There is no strawman enkidu. You are a self admitted pedophile that tried justifying it with some insane schizo shit on trooncord. This post will self destruct in 5 minutes since the chomo mod is protecting you. Make sure you save this image anons.

>>105921782
It's because PC building & performance tuning is a fun hobby, not that existential shit.

>>105921659
man fuck taiwan

>>105921649
you can downgrade to a 5060ti 16gig or a 9070 if you like, they'll both be okay at 1440p currently.

But no, gpu silicon is in crazy high demand, and prices will not be going down, especially when the worlds in a hyper-inflationary period.

>105921761
>105921780
more than one person in this general despises you shill-pedo, and we know you never left, you can't, you're a neurotic autist pedophile, your unwarranted ego demands you astroturf this general until you finally do us all a favour and suicide. You're a bad liar, a bad shill and a bad person.

>>105921782
you've been procrastinating for 2 YEARS over an upgrade? why? just fucking build it, the 9000 series X3D chips are great, there's reasonable supply of both Njudean and AMD gpus, which all perform well enough, if you don't mind the Njudean driver bugfests atm, what was stopping you?

Imagine WASTING YEARS of your LIFE, just to plan an upgrade? if my car exploded tomorrow, i'd go and buy a new/used one within a week or two, i wouldnt lease a car for 2 years hunting around for a 'deal', that'd be fucking stupid wouldn't it? No, if i need a new car, i go and get one, simple as. Theres an argument to wait for the 'next' gen when you wish to upgrade near the end of the current, but not 2 YEARS, thats insane.

Either do it, or leave this general, there's no inbetween anon.

>>105921888
What the fuck was the point that post was trying to make anyway? Those that complain about GPU prices are the jews now? That's a "no u" if I ever saw one.

>>105921919
Not procrastinating I've been saving money. Had to get my living place in order first I was stuck in a moldy crack den. Finally got out into a nicer place and have most of the money saved to build. Was planning on doing it come black friday to get a good deal. It's just been so long that somewhere along the way I'm just not feeling the hype anymore.

>>105921888
ill keep that in mind

>>105921920
I mean, he's a guy who saves 4Chan posts as some kind of gospel. It's a low bar.

>>105918067
No one needs liquid cooling. In any case.

>>105921920
there's no point in complaining about gpu prices outside of niche scenarios like the 5000+9000 series launch when both Njudea and AMD lied about msrp, there never was, consumer demand is trumped by corporate demand, read the post, understand the intent, figure it out.

You whining about the impossible, and strawmanning the polite rebuttal to your manchild demands, does nothing. There will always be a % reserved for mega-corp profit margins, but the price rises were inevitable.

TSMC is making multiple, multi-BILLION dollar factories, each individual one requires an estimated DECADE or more of construction. Who pays for those investments? their consumers do, which is us, and every server farm on the planet. The demand for high-quality silicon has only increased and increased, and the use-cases for them has only increased, stop whining, figure it out, stop bitching, and go buy a used gpu.

If you want to talk about pricing, go to hardware unboxed's dollar-per-frame videos and make your choices on that.

>>105921933
im not aware of any super-great deals on pc hardware during sales, its usually the low-quality high failure-rate parts that get "discounted" anyway. You would probably snag a good monitor though.

For my recent upgrade, i just bought a couple of pieces every payday until i was just waiting, forever, for the 9950x3d to launch.

>>105921933
Then keep your money. A gaming PC isn't worth all that brooding.
You wouldn't hesitate if you needed one for work, which would pay for itself.

>>105921960
What happens when we run out of sand?

>>105921960
>I'll keep calling nvidia jews, but you're not allowed to point it out or blame them for anything except this one issue out of a few hundred
Utterly deranged.

>>105921994
He paid full price for a hardware-bugged 7900 XTX sold by ethical AMD™.
He has to defend his purchase in /pcbg/.

>>105921971
the process to make it is onerous and complicated, there is no recycling of silicon, and im starting to suspect companies like TSMC will start treating it like the JEWelry companies treat diamonds, monopolising the source material to drive up profits. Feel free to source funds and make your own billion-dollar startup silicon formation factory, and undercut TSMC's silicon suppliers if you think you can do it cheaper.

But if my worst-case does happen, we'll get raped on pricing and it wont even be intel-avivs, Njudea or amd's fault.

>>105921994
>L-leave the mulit-trilliondollar megacorporation that engages in anti-consumer hostile behavior alone!
Faggot paypig. AMDs far from perfect, but when they start warranting a negative nickname, i'll start using it. Until then, cope shill, they're fighting a multi-trillion dollar goliath.

>105922006
kys pedo-shill.

>>105922019
I'm not the DLSS guy; he's in the heads of both of you AMD bag holders. Rent-free™.

>>105921994
That's is. Nvidia is best forever

>>105922019
Nigger are you fucking retarded (rhetorical)? You're calling them jews yourself, which they are, but then you go on to say we can't complain about the prices, as if they're actually fully rational and come from the circumstances and not pure bullshit full of upsells. Why shouldn't I complain, because there's "no point"? Even though there clearly a good reason to?
>>105922006
>>105922049
And you two should also learn to read.

>>105921763
According to the Steam Survey June 2025, 0.18% of survey participants in total have a 5090. That means out of the frequently active users of Steam around the world, one out of 555.55~ people have a 5090. That's a lot, and Nvidia did not lie about pushing a lot of hardware and the supply issues are purely due to high demand. That is just how the real world be.

>>105922060
The problem is that the products keep selling, even at a high premium.
Including those 4090 & 5090 with low safety margins.
When card manufacturers offer a refund to people affected by the melted 4090/5090 power connectors, they fight for a brand-new replacement card because they want that level of performance.

AMDposters serve as Nvidia adverts. Sometimes I wonder if they are actually working for Nvidia (or do it for free).

I updated fancontrol and now it isn't detecting my sensors. anyone ran into this before?

why the FUCK do fans not give you any stats that you can compare aside from the fucking decibels

>>105921736
>>105921741
I wonder why owners of 40/5090 don't just use thermal glue to glue a simple temp sensor to the connector. It's an easy preventive measure. If it gets too hot you know that it has poor contact and you need to do something about it.

Im a bit worried with my pc
I tried to restore from backup one day, it completely froze midway through and mobo cpu failure light was lit.
I had to fix it by reinstalling windows from usb.
Now each time I wake pc from sleep the mobo cpu fault light is on for a moment and it occasionally takes a bit too long to wake.

I wouldnt want to start buying a new set of am5 mobo + new ram + new cpu as my pc is other wise fine.

>>105922060
you seem to keep missing the point deliberately. I'll try spelling it out a third time, but if you don't figure it out this time, please stop posting forever.

Njudea engage in all sorts of bullshit anti-consumer practices yes. But most of that is related to their effective monopolization tactics over the last ~decade or so, they're only really overpricing their shit by like ~30% outside of the flagship gpus, suppressing their competition with underhanded tactics, and abusing their monopoly with deliberate supply shortages are just as grave offences.
That doesn't account for the nearly-equally dramatic price increases in amd's gpus though, nor Intel-avivs gpus, even though they're desperate for marketshare, and are definitely much cheaper than their competition, but they're still hundreds of dollars.

Then there's the price increases with cpus and high-end ram, again, Intel-aviv is cheap currently, because they're desperate to retain what marketshare they still have after getting btfo by amd for the last ~7years. None of these price increases are solely explanable by just the tech corps jewing us. The other reasons are as listed, in my original post here >>105921888

There's a dozen+ factors as to why gpus, and cpus, and ram prices keep scaling up. High inflation alone is like ~5-10% of it.

>>105922288
why dont you start diagnosing your pc components? its not hard to scan your OS-drive for faults, or test your ram for issues?

Why even write posts like this without mentioning what your pc even is made of? whats your OS drive? whats your cpu? whats your psu?

Found on reddit

>>105922396
Really nice looking case

>>105922288
it could be something as simple as updating the firmware on your SSD.

are there any really good hdr monitors out on the market?
I tried hdr on my oled and it was amazing but supposedly this is like 25% of the real hdr capabilities.

>>105922329
You could have just listed the reasons (of which some are valid, and some are jewish tricks) without acting like a huge faggot who doesn't even know what he's trying to say. Really, the most ridiculously fucking nonsensical shit was calling someone complaining about GPU pricing - of all people - a jew. Unless you just totally fucked up that sentence and meant something else, because you clearly didn't proofread it.

>>105922467
You need to get a TV for better HDR.
There are miniLED monitors (VA or IPS), but they are not perfect either.

These two miniLED monitors are available in the US.
The bad thing about these KTC monitors is that they don't provide new firmware updates.
>1440p VA
https://chimolog-co.translate.goog/ktc-m27t6/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

>4K IPS
https://chimolog-co.translate.goog/ktc-m27p6/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

>have to wait until 6000 super rerelease to get a meaningful upgrade from 3080ti
4000 and 5000 are abysmal
amd gpus are a meme, they might as well be a B2B company in that market

>>105922458
ok I'll update bios using msi center

the more I learn about building a PC, the more retarded I realize that I am, and the more I want to just give up and buy a prebuilt

>>105922577
4090 is nearly twice as fast
Your time to upgrade was 3 years ago

>>105922196
You can never be sure that what you're measuring is the true hotspot so that's just placebo

>>105922577
are you the kind of person where a “meaningful upgrade” is 5x performance at minimum

>>105922577
>high end card stays decent for 4 years
No way dude

>>105922769
never pay more than 1000 bucks for a graphics card

>>105922792
closer to 3x desu
5080 is not even 2x

>>105922827
5090 is 2.5x

Sort of related but I figure some anons may know and it doesn't deserve its own thread...
>Are Socket 2011-3 CPUs the same physical size / fit in the same plastic protective tray as Socket 1150? How about in an AMD AM4/AM5 tray?
I'm selling a Haswell-E CPU and there are few if any clamshell trays that mention 2011 (or 2011-3; I'm pretty sure the 3 is electrically different by physically the same) but I can find some that claim to fit the whole line of AMD procs from 939 up to AM4, and Intel 775/1155/1151/1150/1156 .

What's your thoughts on this?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RrRDsp

It's a prebuilt unused, purchased in April. 2 year warranty aswell.

Just game at 1440p, but also looking to do some 4K on the tv for some titles. 64 Ram isn't needed.

3000 USD.

>>105922827
5080 is a fucking travesty
Literal 5070 tier card upsold as a $1000 one

>>105922853
240mm aio and psu are kinda meh
you could probably find better nvme, but overall its fine

>>105922668
It can be overwhelming, but if you can build one yourself you'll save money and feel accomplished. Its really not that difficult - the hardest thing most of the time is applying the CPU cooler properly, much of the rest is following instructions bit by bit.
>Prebuilt? Microcenter has a better alternative
If you have a Microcenter near you (assuming you're in the US) or if you know of any boutique independent computer shops/system builders (there used to be more, but they still exist) if you don't have the time and/or really don't want to buildit yourself.. you can go to Microcenter and basically pay them to assemble it. This way you can pick all of the components (I think they'll only install things they sell but I could be wrong, in either case , they sell a reasonable amount) and have them either do all or part of the install for you.

>>105922893
Theres some poverty/teen living with parents related issues too
Say you have money to buy a shitty pc but you dont have access to a 2nd backup pc, then that makes life harder if anything goes wrong.
Its annoying to find information about what to do.
Cant make a fresh windows install tool usb
Cant use a backup pc while orders are incoming or you're waiting to afford a new part

Having a laptop helps with everything.

>>105922917
It does help to have another PC as a backup, to look up info etc. Of course, these days having phones that can browse the Internet with ease helps. Will you have access to whatever device you're using right now? Either your old PC, a family PC, phone etc?

>>105922893
>If you have a Microcenter near you
>you can go to Microcenter and basically pay them to assemble it
very grateful for the suggestion
I wouldn't have even known that this was an option
but looking at the prices, I think I'd rather save the $250 and put it toward another / a better part

>>105922577
>yet another consumer complaining about not having to spend money
Either you have enough money and can afford to upgrade every generation or two, or you invest in the long-term with strong cards like the 3080 Ti. But yet you still complain. You can't decide if you are rich or poor and have a personality that speaks to neither.

4000d frame or lancool 207?

>>105919964
no vramlets allowed bub

>>105922972
The $250 could go towards something else if you build it yourself, sure. Just keep in mind that on average buying a good prebuilt (ie one using all retail parts, even down to things like motherboards , cases, power supplies etc.. where you know the exact mode.) will cost way more than that, so having Microcenter assemble is in the middle on the value scale.

>>105923030
Assuming they both fit all your components and meet your feature requirements, either buy the cheaper one or the one you like the look of more. They're both fairly standard full-mesh mid towers.

>>105923042
Nice clock Ahmed

>>105922070
That's a complete bullshit btw. Reminder that a lot of active users are not on the charts.

>>105923521
It's called a random sample for a reason

I'm building a new PC with a 9950X3D and RTX 5090. I need a power supply. Should I get the Corsair RM1200X Shift, or wait for the Corsair HX1500i Shift to be released?

>>105923521
the 5090 alone was enough to crush RDNA4, that’s the long and short of it
nobody wants to be a Radeon bagholder

>>105923605
>should I waitfag for a PSU that was only announced recently while I'm building a new PC
1500W is what people making a machine with twin 5090s would go for. If you have to ask you don't need it.

>>105923605
Both are fine. What matters more is whether those have a 10 year warranty in case the 12v-2x6 melts on the PSU end, which they do.

how's this for a starter budget PC?
Motherboard: Asrock A520M HDV
CPU: Ryzen 3 3300X
Cooler: ID-Cooling SE-214-XT Basic
GPU: RX 580/GTX 1060 6gb
RAM: 16 gigabytes Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200mhz
SSD: Adata Legend 710 512gb
Sata SSD: Adata SU650 512gb for my autistic hobbies and files
PSU: Aqirys Pulsar LS 550W 80+
Case: Aqiys Bellatrix Pro, it has 3 included fans, one exhaust two intake, so I'll use a fan splitter for the front ones.

No RGB because I don't need it. I'll use this PC for light gaming and browsing the internets. Is it worth getting 32gb of ram instead?

>>105923605
I have a 1600W PSU for a 9800x3d and 5090 and never managed to hit 800w. The 9950x3d will have higher power draw but 1200w is plenty. Just make sure to have a native ATX 3.1 port and the corsair one doesn't seem to have one.

>>105923726
Nobody wanted to be a Radeon bagholder. That was simply the reasonable position to have coming off RDNA3. Even with positive reviews you just wouldn't know for sure, and by the time it was confirmed there wasn't horrible hidden drawbacks those people may have already boughted or set a plan in stone for an Nvidia card. Only the subsegment of AMD users that were brand cultists would have jumped straight into RDNA4 without looking. They came out of it okay but it was not an acceptable risk for the average person. The risk has been mitigated but again those people who held off may have already moved on with an Nvidia product or decided to stay put.

UDNA1 will be where this has a chance to recover, but technically speaking it is yet again another hard risk. What if their merging of RDNA and CDNA into one arch proves to be a disaster? That is not something AMD Radeon can afford. They will probably try their best to not screw it up (hence only midrange cards this generation) but everyone already knows how AMD never fails to miss an opportunity...

>>105923780
Yes 32gb of RAM is worth it. How much are you getting GTX 1060 6gb for? Perhaps you could get something slightly more modern?

>>105923817
Vram=!ram

>>105923780
GTX 10xx is end of life, driver support has stopped. You may assemble such a thing with all-last generation low-end parts but just know that it will be very restricted in upgrades going forward, especially with that motherboard. Does it even have the power supply for a 5600x? 8x2GB will do, no point spending money on 32GB of DDR4 which is being phased out of production. You are going to have to define "light gaming" otherwise we can't tell you if it is going to hold up.

>>105923850
Those are two separate pieces of advice. 32GB of RAM is worth getting in 2025 for any general purpose.

>>105923798
The last 2 times amd put out a new uarch, they were hot trash. Hopefully this can be avoided with udna1 especially since they can easily afford to make a uarch with no corners cut

9800X3D+9070XT is all you need.

>>105923904
What if I need to run LLMs? Or run upscaler in Cyberpunk without mods?

>>105923780
The overarching consideration is price. Some of those components look weird but if you're getting a good (used) price on it it doesn't matter.
Comments:
>A520
Tend to be pretty cut down vs. higher-end B450 models. You do get PCIe4 but no card in your budget would benefit from it.
>3300X
There was never any stock of these so they might be overpriced. By contrast, 3600s were sold by the million and flooded the used market when people upgraded to X3Ds. Would even be worth another $10-20 to get 6 cores. Look around for the later AM4 chips as well: 5500, 4500, 5600T, and so forth.
>Video card
Very old now so good chance of failure and won't be receiving driver updates. Again fine if you're getting a good price but watch out for more recent cards going for trivially more.
>SSDs
Probably cheaper to buy 1TB. Plus you'd get HMB over the whole capacity instead of having half of it be slow-ass DRAMless SATA.
>PSU
Grim.

>>105919787 (OP)
>AVOID: NXZT
My sides.

I am going for a fractal north case with a 5060 ti and 9700x. Would the x6 case fan configuration be overkill?

>>105923866
>GTX 10xx is end of life, driver support has stopped.
Yeah I saw the news, bretty sad.
>Does it even have the power supply for a 5600x?
Aqirys is a reputable brand locally, and lots of Romanian techbros recommend it. It can handle the 5600.
>define "light gaming"
Minecraft and Terraria modded and vanilla, GTA 5, TF2, some rpg maker games, and indie games from itch.io. Frankly I don't care much about being able to run games plebbit gushes about the graphics of.

>>105923817
GTX 1070s, RX 6500XTs, GTX 1650s and that's pretty much all I see on the used market.

>>105923924
>There was never any stock of these so they might be overpriced
I'm in talks with a guy who used it for a system to store his photography. He's willing to sell it for 30$~.
>Grim.
Any suggestion for a better PSU? How's the Corsair CX550?

>>105923963
>He's willing to sell it for 30$~.
Okay that's decent. Again, if there's eg. 3600s going for €40 on Romanian Ebay you should save up for one.

>How's the Corsair CX550?
Much better but watch out if buying used because the CX line has been around for ages - a new "bad" PSU is better than a 15 year-old "less bad" one.

>>105923955
those are very low watt parts, the 2 top fans are redundant and you're better off having a solid panel there to prevent some random liquid damage hitting the pc

>>105923866
>>105923780
As an addendum, shop around for a 3050. If you can find one at a low price it will be considerably better and you can carry it forward to another more modern build later. Having access to DLSS will help it carry its weight.

>>105923963
I meant more of whether the board's VRMs can handle a non-bottom-end CPU when it ramps up. I guess it should even if not optimally.

>>105923955
>>105923994
Leaving the top panel on also increases the noise isolation a lot. (I have one)

>>105923955
Assuming you are using an air cooler since you're posting that image. If it has a magnetic dust cover on the top, stick a plastic bag in the front top slot. Force the front air through the cooler. You can get away with 2 rear and 2 front fans. Though really what is 4 to 5 fans to you as opposed to 6?

Hopefully this isn't too tangential for this general

I have a PC setup with a 1440p monitor, which I also want to use for my gaming consoles, namely a Switch 1

Is there a way to set up the monitor (or Switch, I guess) to NOT fill the whole screen/display, and to instead just have a "windowed" 1080p section of the screen with black bars around it,, as opposed to upscaling the 1080p output of the switch to fill in the whole monitor?

I'm looking through the monitor's manual (a LG 27GP850-B) and I'm not seeing a way to do that, but I'd have assumed this was a basic feature all displays have

>>105924056
on windows you can use nvidia control panel to do it
so check out switch guides since its the one deciding how it goes

>>105924084
Do most monitors not have a "don't fill the screen if the input resolution is lower then the display resolution" mode/option?

Most TV's have like a fill, stretch, etc setting, I figured monitors would too

Best way to build a PC is to just wait for the next Generation of consoles and make it 25% more powerful then the PS6 in order to account for bad PC optimization.

How do I properly use gsync, freesync, VRR, etc?

Do I set it as active in game, or in the nvidia control panel or vendor specific bloatware utilities if I'm on a laptop? Should multiple of those have it set to on? Do I also need to have it set on on my display if i'm using an external monitor?

Do I want a framerate cap on or if I do have it on? I think i've read something about you wanting to actually having a cap a few frames below your monitor's refresh rate, for some reason? What if I don't want it at my display's refresh rate to limit CPU temps? Should I change the refresh rate in my OS's settings or the monitor's settings, then, and then have the framerate uncapped in game?

>>105924178
You need to ensure the monitor has vrr setting enabled (+ use dp cable), then nvidia app can be used to manage the gsync for that monitor. Nothing more needs to be done, if nvidia app says gsync is on then it works.

I set max system fps on nvidia control panel 3d settings, I have 240hz monitor and I set it to 300. Idk does it matter, I just dont want apps doing thousands of fps for no reason.

>>105924196
> (+ use dp cable)

VRR doesn't work right with HDMI?

What if my monitor is freesync only, do I syill use the nvidia control panel? And I leave VRR checked off in game menus?

Hi guys, im looking to build my first gaming PC (upgraded from a 2013 acer aspire laptop) and would appreciate any suggestions to optimize my build so far. I have a budget of $2500, I plan on getting a used 4080 super for the gpu. There's someone on marketplace close to me that's selling one for $900. Here's the list of parts i have
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rHdB6Q

>>105924205
the windows app depends on if you use nvidia or amd gpu. freesync is gsync in practise
VRR works over hdmi 2.1, but monitors dont support it. Tvs do. why? idk

game menus dont impact things

>>105922396
Any frutiger aero/apple or wood design is good

Don't get anything gamer like. That shit is cringe.

>>105924178
Make sure your monitor has VRR enabled in its onscreen display, then in the Nvidia App or control panel you can just set the global option to enable VRR for that display. Once you start using it there's no real reason to turn it off in any particular app. Set a global cap on framerate so you're not wasting frames regardless. 3-5 frames below your monitor's advertised value.

>>105924205
No it works with either. Modern monitors advertising Freesync or Gsync will work with any GPU brand. If using Nvidia the app will say the monitor is "Gsync compatible".

>>105924229
That wooden shit is even more cringe.

>>105922668
nah bruh we all been there. I burned my first athlon cpu because I just didn't know I have to put on the cooler before turning it on. soul sinking moment seeing that smoke come out of your first build. but I didn't give up.
can seem like a steep learning curve but you'll be alright. and better off by being able to find good deals on parts and installing them yourself. it's a useful skill.

>>105924211
Is that RAM brand established and with long history? Because if you would want to add another 32gb in the future, maybe it's better go with some bigger brand?

My gpu got soaked, i wanna buy an used one. What should i look out for? Mostly bidding offers.

>>105923955
Consider that front top as intake is fighting against GPU blowthrough. I'd suggest leaving that slot empty.

I'm building a budget PC for an acquaintance. He doesn't game but the PC is supposed to be good for up to 10yrs. A normal 5060 should be more than enough right? Which model in particular would you choose? Looking at this currently https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/Xqbypg/gainward-ghost-geforce-rtx-5060-8-gb-video-card-ne75060019p1-gb2063b

>>105924178
Vsync on
Gsync/Freesync on
FPS cap 1-3 below your max hz

>>105924403
does it really burn instead of throttling itself and shutting down

>>105924496
unfortunately no one can rec a <16gb vram gpu for long term

>>105924513
AMD CPUs didn't have real thermal protections until Ryzen. FX CPUs would set budget Mobo vrms on fire.

>>105924513
not the older ones.

>>105924523
how didnt amd go bankrupt when nvidia and intel were both shitting on them

>>105924533
Phenom II was really good and cheap. Radeon was objectively better until the GTX 970+. Intel was super expensive and later full of security issues.

>>105924545
I remember Radeon being a separate company from AMD...

Why 5060ti exists?

>>105924548
They were still ATI internally at AMD until 2015 and had ATI+AMD branding on cards until then too. 290x was on par with 970 and it came out a year earlier. Then afterwards they lagged behind like RX 480 being worse than 1070.

>>105924564
nvidia designed a cpu, fabbed it, binned it, named it 5060 ti and sold it to consumers because a market for that type of gpu at those kinda prices exists

Reminder that Radeon gpus are better for esports because they can achieve higher fps in cpu limited games due to less driver overhead. Goyforce holds 10 to 20 percent of your cpu hostage in DX12 and vulkan

>>105924575
You can get 12&16 gig cards for 100bucks more
Seems wasteful

>>105924581
>grok, what's the minimal latency of human vision

>>105924581
every esports gamer buys NVIDIA because reflex doesn’t get your account banned for cheating

>>105924581
Now show us the DX11 performance cause garbage like DotA 2 and CS aren't restricted to DX12

>>105924608
AMD gets absolutely nigger raped there

>>105924595
Esports gamers can hardly be called humans.

>>105924595
Valve hasn't updated Reflex since it was added. It's pretty much broken. Anti Lag 2 works. It's the same problem with a bunch of different games too, Reflex makes the experience worse. Horizon, MH, FFXVI, and other new AAA are all worse with Reflex

>>105924519
Do you really need more than 8GB when you're not gaming?

>>105924621
What if you're video editing?

>>105924620
Just like Nvidia sucks at rebar and turning it on like amd causes issues on RTX

>>105924636
I knew I shouldn't have bought the 5070ti...

>>105924647
AMD performance being gimped without rebar isn’t a selling point it’s a disadvantage

why is the 4090 still causing seething, rage and confusion amongst AMD cultists?

>>105924663
Nvidia is the gimped one here their drivers crash and cause worse fps
>>105924636

i have never seen a GPU buckbreak an entire cult as hard as the 4090 buckbroke AMD with RAW POWER

>>105924632
Doubt my friend will ever do that.

>>105924620
>Valve hasn't updated Reflex since it was added.
There's nothing to fix; it's not like DLSS where the model gets updated.
It's pacing the CPU load to prevent the GPU's render queue from being clogged; these don't need version updates.
The game encourages you to enable Reflex & G-Sync for the optimal experience.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/418E-7A04-B0DA-9032

NVIDIA and Valve got it right the first time, unlike Anti Lag 1 which got accounts banned.

>>105924647
Different chip architectures have different performance bottlenecks.
NVIDIA GPUs have more lower-level cache compared to Radeon chips in general; they are less reliant on rebar for that reason.

>>105924673
>>105924694
why is radeon being better in CoD one of the most popular game franchises still causing seething, rage and confusion amongst AMD cultists? Nvidia is faster in singleplayer troonslop games that they bribed the devs to gimp radeon in. AMD gpus are faster in games people actually play like call of duty.

>>105924673
>>105924694
why is radeon being better in CoD one of the most popular game franchises still causing seething, rage and confusion amongst Novideo cultists? Nvidia is faster in singleplayer troonslop games that they bribed the devs to gimp radeon in. AMD gpus are faster in games people actually play like call of duty.

>>105924682
Always posting stale articles.

>>105924718
their nvapi64 is literally outdated. replacing it with a new one crashes cs2.

>>105924756
>>105924718
>>105924757
Post your GPU-Z with todays date

>>105924770
He has a RTX 4070 so he wont embarrass himself admitting it live.

>>105919987
>5070 Ti is the best in its price class right now
How does it compare with 3080ti? I'm thinking of upgrading.

>>105924779
5070ti is a bad choice. Too much driver issues on Windows 11, 10, linux, freebsd, (mac doesn't even work lmao).

>>105924787
Yeah I sold my 5070ti recently cuz I couldn't deal with the DXGI issues anymore especially in PRO.

>>105924774
the most pathetic poorfag coper in the thread. all sata ssds in 2025 is just sad.

>>105924756
>why is radeon being better in CoD
The majority of COD's business comes from consoles, so the game is extremely optimized for consoles with AMD SoCs.
That optimization trickled down to Radeon cards, and they don't put as much effort into GeForce optimizations.

>THEY BRIBED THE HECKIN DEVS AMD ISN'T WORTHLESS NIGGER GARBAGE ITS ALL FAKE THEY WERE BRIBED!!!!!!
why are all RDNA3 bagholders hysterical women?

>>105924797
But it's you who are saying that.

>>105924770
>>105924774
>>105924792
That's not me dumb fucks. he's in your head rent-free™.

>>105924806
erm
>>105924756

>>105924756
>amdumboxed

>>105924812
No he didn't say what you said, look at the formatting for example.

Is this an acceptable budget build (not for gaming)? https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/g8T6b2

in real world performance, NVIDIA GeForce dominates the competition

>>105924827
>>105924827
>>105924827

>>105924762
>nvapi64
This doesn't mean Reflex is outdated; it isn't like DLSS where NVIDIA releases a new model.

>>105924825

Get a 16GB GPU

>>105924406
Which brand do you recommend? I could swap it out for another well known brand. It should be within budget

>>105924792
>the most pathetic
Says the loser sleuthing the archives and holding on to someone else's PC specs, kek.

>>105924829
>All single player troonslop games
Meanwhile in multiplayer games for people that don't have a giant gaping axe wound where their dick was >>105924581 >>105924636
>>105924756

>>105924835
ok but can someone else make a /real/ thread?

Is the momentum really comparable to noctua? I already have some 9 year old nf-f12 I'm going to reuse but the noctua 140mm is $45. Wtf?

>>105924851

>>105924837
For what though? Don't tell me you need that even to just browse the net nowadays.

>>105924856
brand war threads aren't real threads

>>105924847
CS2 is a singleplayer game? The GeForce card gets DOUBLE the performance of Radeon in that benchmark, SAD!

>>105924847
You don't play CS2 or COD at a high level anyway.

>>105924809
You are spamming the same stale images and arguments to defend GeForce no matter what anytime any criticism of nvidia is brought up just like dlss schizo. Even if you aren't him you may as well be. KYS. it's also very suspicious you are using the 4chan x randomizer now so people can't see all the times you've spammed these new images you're using in the archive.

>>105924827
>>105924827
>>105924827

>>105924868
I'll make the real thread, not a spam becuase that new thread is /amd pcbg/

>>105924882
>same stale images and arguments
Because mentally ill people like you sound like a broken record, always repeating the same ignorant lies that can be debunked with the same few images.

>>105924897
thank you...

5060 just works

Clean, unbiased, no flame war instigating thread.
I suggest that the OP of this thread rename his future thread as /amdpcbg/, as that is the main intent of his threads.
>>105924942
>>105924942
>>105924942

>>105924853
Momentum fans are surprisingly good; the 140mm is almost as good as the Noctua G2.
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/fractal-design-momentum-14-rgb-top-class-in-every-aspect-review/
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/lighting-on-lcp-fractal-design-momentum-12-rgb-analysis-review/
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/time-for-a-change-fractal-design-momentum-12-black-tested-review/

above is spam duplicate troll thread created to divide the general.
real thread created first at bump limit.
there is no brand warring and the OP has nvidia gpus
>>105924827
>>105924827
>>105924827

>>105924988
See >>105924921
>Where is 5070 & 5070 Ti? Where is Intel 13 & 14th gen which are very cheap and competetive nowadays? Where is Intel Arc b580 for budget segment? Where is 5060 for budget segment?
>
>Fuck off.

>>105924988
>OP has nvidia gpus
Because you can't bullshit the fact that Radeon cards are objectively inferior for workstation use cases.
You keep your /amd pcbg/, filled with brand war spam.

>>105923955
remove the upper intake fan, and block that area with some paper, tape or whatever.

>>105924959
Thanks
>>105924988
Lol