How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archieve, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) - $8
• JCally JM20 Pro (8-Band PEQ) - $24
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>105908247

I hereby declare the EQ guide as being a massive POS (Publication of Schizophrenia) and should NOT be opened under ANY circumstances.

>>105927597 (OP)
Sir...

TRANSJEETS BTFO
https://youtu.be/znI3PqJck2Y

>>105927612
agreed

>>105927612
no point in teaching retards

Driver quality exists(it's in the faceplate).

driver quality exists (its getting bombed by killer drones from ukraine)

Truthear Gate, it's all a white man needs.

what was this german run website with tests for (budget) bluetooth in ear headphones (not necessarily iem)

>>105927757
scarbir.com

I'm waiting.

>>105927612
true!

>>105927576
>Almost everything you know about "monitor tuned" and acoustics is wrong.
Why? I am not a theory nerd but iirc flat monitor speaker tonality is basically diffuse field target under ideal conditions which would make a monitor iem. Also depending on the room your technically flat speakers may (or may not) produce a tilted response which would make a room curve or tilted DF. My speakers produce very little tilt, I like their sound and I want an iem like that (which SSP used to be).

>>105927780
for technicalities to become something to consider as included in the FR, it's even more important to prove that it's the case and point where exactly soundstage, imaging, details, note weight and layering are in the FR and develop a reliable method to repeatedly and consistently convey these qualities by modifying the FR in certain ways
for now audio engineers just develop it all using their ears during prototyping stage, relying on their experience and tradition and applying science to the areas in which it's actually effective

>>105927914
The problem with technicalities is that when you start blind testing for them they disappear.

>>105927948
but you don't listen to music while blind so blind testing is irrelevant

>>105927962
You don't take meds blind either but we still test them blind.

>>105927985
i don't take meds at all, stay unmedicated fellow schizos

The secret to EQing techs is...

>>105927861
The preferred speaker tonality by and large is a flat anechoic tonality which will produce tilts in-room as you said. Nearfield speakers will produce less, but even then this is not preferred.
None of this matters for your question, the HD580 are not DF, they are instead a tilted DF. The same applies to the SSP but it is much less adherent. The recommended IEMs follow that same tilted DF response.
You can always just get any other IEM and use EQ instead.

>>105927914
The FR=techs side already assumes that 1) the full acoustic response (ie any output that can be heard) to be fully measurable 2) music production and reproduction are separate and 3) human senses are not reliable and that blind AB testing is the most valid method of testing while eliminating known biases.

>>105927597 (OP)
>Swastika
>cannot redeem to India
s..sirs??

Received Moondrop Echo-B a few weeks ago, it's *OK*. The DSP function is very wonky. Changing EQ causes the device to restart, pausing playback and interrupting the connection with the Moondrop app. I sometimes have to re-seat the usb-c connector to make sure the app is actually reading from the currently connected device and not just changing phantom settings like it constantly wants to. Also seems like you have to register a Moondrop account to set custom EQ.
Sound quality is fine and it drives my Harmonicdyne Eris headphones adequately. Build quality is fine, cable is fine. Looks nice.
If you want DSP function, look elsewhere. Though I'm not sure why you'd buy this thing over all the alternatives if not for the DSP function..

>>105928252
moon...DROPPED!

>>105927740
stop larping as a white man pls

>>105928279
what mod is that

simgot em2 any good?

>>105928457
no

>>105918644
>>105925167
Mailed them - they are still waiting for new batch and we're talking extra weeks not days.

>>105928479
Why did you buy that pos...

>>105928591
Yeah I wonder. Ca't wait for silent revision and retune in this release.

>>105928457
everything can be good with eq
but there are better and cheaper options now

still using my 4 year old alc5686 dongle on my new iems, am I missing out on new dongles?

>>105928734
only if you care about EQ, as there are better ones that offer 8-band PEQ

Do PMPs with internet access exist? I want one for music and browsing the web.

>>105927622
why is this guy looking for a "deep fit" ?

>>105928810
miad01

>>105928772

>>105927740
This but unironically.
Budget IEMs were solved by Truthear Hola and subsequently Truthear Gate.
/iemg/ will keep shilling a new pos every month, but I don't see myself upgrading from Gate anytime soon.

>>105928907
same but epz g10 for me

>>105922491
I've been listening to it over the past few days, what actually started sticking out to me the most is the midbass and low mids. Bass drum hits, bass guitar and low notes on regular guitar are oddly punchy and tactile but the graphs don't show any phase weirdness or distortion. I usually add a sub-bass boost to my pos with EQ but this effect is present even without EQ. I get one peak in the upper treble, and the upper mids are about 3dB too forward for my tastes which makes female vocals slightly shouty/thin. Detail/soundstage/whatever other meme techs are fine, sounds like a good DD which is no surprise. There's no trace of 3H BA distortion. I never got the huge soundstage claims but it has decent stage for a more isolating pos.
The cable or rather the modular plug Transjim has cooked up is still the best. The USB C termination is excellent - no hissing/popping/odd behavior - and it has 5 PEQ bands which should be enough for most people. Comfort is top tier despite the size, I don't get any hotspots but I prefer more venting.
Overall, I don't think it's an upgrade over the origin. If you don't have either, I'd go with the Force because the accessories are superior and I'd imagine the comfort should also be better for most people, but I still prefer the Origin's regular bass over the weird tactility of the Force.
EQ:
Device: all
Channel: all
Preamp: -8 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 20 Hz Gain 5 dB Q 1
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 50 Hz Gain 1 dB Q 0.5
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 250 Hz Gain 0.4 dB Q 1.5
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 2700 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 2
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 3050 Hz Gain -1 dB Q 2
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 3300 Hz Gain 1.5 dB Q 1.5
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 6200 Hz Gain -3 dB Q 4
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 8000 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 1.5
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 12500 Hz Gain -4 dB Q 7

As usual ignore the treble filters on the slim chance anyone actually decides to buy the force and wants to use my EQ preset.

>>105928952
>There's no trace of 3H BA distortion
Why would a 2DD IEM have BA distortion.

>>105927780
>>105927914
>>105927948
>>105928099
the problem with technicalities is that FR=techs is wrong
in actuality techs=mental illness

>>105929007
What are you talking about?

>>105928862
for me fit is very consistent for IEMs with good fit

>>105929031
Force.

>>105929007
You never know what to expect with our Queen's drive for innovation!

>>105929039
?

>>105928952
it's so fucking thick and they decided to use a long nozzle too
guess i'll wait for the next product release cycle, seems like they're done for now

>>105929017
Techs are everything that FR can't explain. Including mental illness and things FR actually can explain if you don't have a mental illness.

>>105929080
>Techs are everything that FR can't explain.
no such thing
>Including mental illness
mental illness is still influenced by FR
it's not like soundstage is disappearing for same IEM depending on the day lol

>>105929108
>it's not like soundstage is disappearing for same IEM depending on the day lol
Who's gonna tell him...

the real mental illness is having the same argument about techs for the 6 trillionth time

What should I buy between the KZ EDC Pro, Moondrop Chu II, Tangzu Waner SG 2 and Thruthear Gate? I've never owned an IEM before and would like something with good quality to start with.

>>105927762
yes sankyu!

>>105929164
gate

>>105929164
cheapest and eq (guide)

>>105928952
thx.
upper mids forwardness is the main boner killer. more than a few obvious corrections needed ootb for analog listening makes it hard to justify price.
frankly they should refresh the models above fission (kara and origin) to include nicer cables and modular system too, because it is so good but that's wishful thinking.

>>105929135
…wtf am I looking at?

>>105929180
The day Tanchjim makes a semi custom pos is the day they will become the GOAT of POS

>>105929195
Tech amplifier.

>Gate is all you need
Hexa is a straight upgrade, yes, even in sound.

gate costs 3x less and eqs very well

>>105929210
>>105929135
I find it so strange how audio is the only hobby where this delusion exists. You don’t see this kind of mystical fairy dust garbage for any visual stuff. No essential oils or magnets for monitors or cameras. Why is it only sound in the tech field that has this kind of religious nonsense?

>>105929216
BA pos, avoid

>>105929247
It does like for example when the cabal of fansub faggots switched to h.264 hi10p over standard h.264.

>>105929242
You can't eq the missing treble extension, I tried. Gate just sounds lo-fi in comparison to Hexa.
>>105929287
It's a hybrid

>>105929310
you literally can, treble is arguably the most boostable region

>>105929324
I don't know, I used a lowshelf at 10 kHz (which should be the same as a highshelf and negative pre-gain), but it didn't come close to the air of Hexa. Maybe I will give it a try again later, should I try a peak at 15 kHz instead?

>>105929367
there are so many factors, what even is air on your hexa? overall treble or a big spike?

>imaging, resolution and transient clarity are just EQ problems. That’s why a $5 driver and a $2000 flagship sound the same once you slap a target on them.

SAID NOBODY CREDIBLE, EVER

>>105929400

>>105929400
Yes, BA pos is trash even with EQ.

cool
btw em6l is better than monarch mk3. ab tested them recently and edc pro has much better bass quality and 3d positioning

how come so called techs deniers only deny techs when it comes to expensive pos? you never hear a peep when it comes to cheap pos being proclaimed as techy. curious...

>>105929324
if I made a track right now with a total lowpass on it, there's no way in hell you could eq the missing information after I render it.

LET'S BE REAL HERE

>>105929412
can't even boost bass into BAs without them toning out

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment forums and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

>>105929375
>what even is air on your hexa? overall treble or a big spike?
I don't know what exactly causes it, in music it's more forward hi-hats, or more pronounced scratchiness of the bow on a cello. Hard to describe. It's probably not just overall treble, otherwise my eq attempt would be successful, my guess was that Hexa is louder at the very edge of my hearing threshold. Then there also is this weird hole around 9 kHz on the Gatos, which I don't remember hearing on the Hexa.

>>105929247
Visual stuff is easier to quantitatively measure. You know how many pixels are there, their maximum and minimum brightness and so on. It's harder to assign some numerical value to "sound quality".
(Yes, I know FR graphs exist but some people simply choose to ignore them.)
>the only hobby where this delusion exists
Audio is absolutely not the only hobby where it exists, you can find similar delusion in anything that "cannot be counted/measured". Off the top of my head: see wine tasting/collecting autism.
(Yes, I know wine is mostly "solved" by weather during growing season (it affects sugar content in grapes) kind of like audio is "solved" by FR. No, that doesn't prevent the "wine community" from being deathly allergic to blind tasting.)

i wish more of those chinamen would start ripping off the sennheiser ie design/size. by far the most comfortable iems i've ever used, plus they look cool

>>105929479
looks ugly as fuck

>>105929434
cope because of being devout to FR. they have
absolutely no idea what goes into putting together the audio in the first place so their actual understanding is flawed because....somehow........tuning is everything.


>this much bass and this much treble gives me positional cues.
motherfucker what? really. what?

>>105929441
you literally could as long as it's not too extreme, just use an inverse filter
>>105929473
make sure you include down to like 4-5 khz
>>105929479
already did, just search for clones
>>105929505
because nobody actually says these are techy, techs are not real, that's the whole point

I've yet to see anyone post their EQ profiles, so let's see them. Is EQ just a cope to be used in internet arguments or is it actually something people use?

>>105929479
clones exist. it's in your interest to source a different 7mm driver (harvest from a well-tuned bullet iem for example) because what chang throws in there is inconsistent garbage

>>105929520
>you literally could
pic related: you literally can't
>techs are not real, that's the whole point
so you believe a $5 pos can be tuned to a $5K pos and still sound the same? that's the hill you're dying on today?

>>105929505
>motherfucker what? really. what?
Bro... Read a book... We figured that shit out decades ago...
>>105929568
Bro doesn't even know how audio filters work... The information is never gone...

>>105929565
Here is my Hexa eq'd to JM-1 DF, and a filter to compensate for ear canal resonance

>>105929620
Are you memeing or is your canal resonance actually at 8K like the coupler's

>>105929568
$5 pos annihilates $5k pos even without EQ.

>>105929630
If you could read you could see that it's actually at 7.8 kHz, but it's because I currently have these xs size tips on them, with stock tips I think it was 7.4

>>105929648
Kinda sus but okay, now post your EQ in your actual EQ software. Anyone can put some numbers into squig.

>>105929568
first of all those filters don't look all that extreme, you could probably retrieve back loss in amplitude
if you use 5 filters and want to make the information go past the allocated bit depth then sure, don't see how that is of any importance to iems
>$5 pos can be tuned to a $5K pos and still sound the same? that's the hill you're dying on today?
what's the difference between a $5k pos and a $5 pos?

$2000
Literally unsalvageable
Now that's what I call techs

>>105929632
mildly amusing, but utter bullshit. I think you know that.

>>105929673
>I think
GPT users don't think(scientifically proven)

>>105929596
>eq is so magical

>>105929699
hah. don't ever bring up science when it's you and people like you that are allergic to the term 'psychoacoustics'. and to top it off, you fucks are actually dogmatic in this hobby.

>poorfag using stock fl eq
aiiiie caramba

>>105929666
>now post your EQ in your actual EQ software
That's the cool part: I can actually just set my eq on squig.link, export the txt file, and it will use this as system-wide eq. I made a post about this a couple threads ago.

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment forums and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

>>105929726
>as an example
is there anything in life that you wholeheartedly accept or are you just miserable? you can create your own tumors navigating everyday life like that, so..good luck? wear a helmet?

>>105929721
You don't know what psychoacoustics is. You don't even know anatomy really.

>>105929760
even if I had a PhD in psychoacoustics, it wouldn't be enough for you. nothing is enough for you because you pre-coped already. it's fine, it's your choice, but you don't thrive here with dogma, I can tell you that much.

>>105927740
this but with a bass shelf eq

>>105929730
Based linuxchad, that looks convenient but it wouldn't work for me because I have way too many IEMs and EQ presets so I just use easyeffects on my linux machine. Anyways we finally we have confirmation of at least one person using EQ. Anyone else want to step up?

>>105929778
with negative gain

>>105929785
oh no no no don't do that!!!

>>105929777
Just read what HRTF is bro. That's enough for me. Not knowing that spatial position is encoded in tonality in 2025 is just embarrassing.

>>105929779
>that looks convenient
it's cool if you like to do things without the need for a graphical environment (I can also select the eq on the command-line), but it's actually not that convenient, because I need to restart the whole audio-service to apply any changes to the presets. I'd argue that EasyEffects is more convenient in this regard, but I think my solution would also work with a lot of presets, if they don't change constantly.

>>105929816
>HRTF=tonality=imaging and that's all there is.
HRTF is only part of spatial perception and pos bypass most of that anyway. just answer why two pos with identical fr graphs would stage identically. been asked 4 times today at the very least in the past 3 hours. still nothing. no challenge. what's your excuse for that? still gonna call it 'just tonality'?
that's actually embarrassing so don't be so fragile and bent outta shape.

>>105929865
how do you know two pos stage differently?

>>105929874
if you really think psychoacoustic perception can be measured for it to be taken seriously you just invalidated 100% of the entire audio community's experiences.
>show me the measurement that quantifies stage width, depth, or layering.
can probably only draw a diagram to illustrate because these quantifiable measurements don't exist yet.

>>105928810
literally any PMP running on android

>>105929874
ask yourself why your theory can’t explain it

>>105929865
>been asked 4 times today
And got answered 4 times today but you have dementia. No two pos has the same FR. The same graph doesn't mean the same FR. One pos can produce a million of different graphs in a rig and in you ear. A rig is not your ear. And even when it's the exact same pos in your own ear it can still sound different due to you not having level 8 in HTL.

>>105929923
how can you be so sure that the audio community's experiences should be trusted?
>>105929935
how does that have anything to do with what i said, i never talked about any theory?

>>105929923
>you just invalidated 100% of the entire audio community's experiences.
Good. These retards "hear" a difference between volume knobs. Nothing of value was lost.

Who's going? We will be talking about techs.

Where's the best place for downloading/torrenting FLACs?

>>105929951
>shifting goalposts
like clockwork. and just like that,
>don’t mean much because rigs aren’t ears
>no two pos have the same fr
exactly what I said from the start. which is it? fr dictates everything or does your pos' behavior in ear change anything? if no two sets have the same fr and measurements now mean jack shit, then your whole ‘it’s 100% eq’ claim just got vaporized into subatomic particles of shit. just admit you're deaf and go

>buy truthear gate
>install peace eq + equalizer apo
>get moondrop variations' target from crinacle's 5128-df graph tool
>auto eq
is this still the most brainless way to go
or did we decide on a better target than variations for this

What is the best fullBA non-vented PoS that won't cost you a kidney? Also does EPZ 530 have vents and can i cusomize it?

>>105929999
holy quads of 2019 retardation...

>>105929999
>variations
update your mind to 2025, don't stay in 2021

>>105929990
soulseek for music and movies

>>105930011
magicone, orchestra lite
no clue on 530, looks like pos

>>105929999
found the sharur apologetic

>>105929992
FR dictates everything. Not my fault you confuse graphs with FR. Not my fault you EQ by graph either. The guide is right there in OP.

>>105930011
even when a BA iem has vents (sa6, bravery, etc.) they do NOT offer your ear canal pressure relief. they are for very small passage of air mostly for the bass BAs to work efficiently.
floaudio bluelover is an under-discussed option. sales prices sub-$80 iirc. kiwi ears orchestra lite and ziigatt luna are also options. 530 is not vented, yes it can probably be customized

>>105930025
>magicone
the poor guy asked for the best. not to just name one out your ass. magicone's bass sounds like dogshit and no venting (OR EQ FOR THAT MATTER :D) will fix it.
you really recommended that.......

>>105927597 (OP)
Shouty pos OP.

the other anon here >>105930039
magicone is fine too. dunno what this schizo's hateboner is about. yes it's "flawed," BA pos. it sounds fine.

>>105930055
unvented anon, and magicone is fine in that department. he wants ba pos then he'll get ba pos bass

>>105930038
you're actually blaming me for taking graphs at face value as you're stuck on 'fr=everything, graphs mean nothing and rigs don't matter. oh and no two sets match' lol. my guy, you're warped and eating your own. I don't eq. I listen. cry about it.
you went from 'fr is everything' to 'you can't trust graphs' to 'real fr is unknowable'.
so which part of your religion do you actually stand on?

>>105930090
then it's up to us to steer him in another direction lol. he deserves better than that..

>>105930098
>you're actually blaming me for taking graphs at face value
Go to whoever told you to take graphs at face value and get a refund.
>you went from
You're stuck on thinking something is "moving". 'fr is everything' and 'you can't trust graphs' is one statement and a key to proper EQ.
>real fr is unknowable
It's perfectly knowable, just use your ears.

On the tangent of soulseek, it's distinctly different from torrenting, right? Mostly from the perspective of me as a home internet user. My ISP won't be annoying me with those gay warnings about copyright infringement the way DLing popular media from a public tracker does?

>>105930171
>fr is everything but only if you ignore the tools and rely on your ears
you brought up science...I can't see shit there except you contradicting yourself repeatedly like I haven't noticed. if everyone's perception is valid, including whoever disagrees with you, you just got fucked in the ass with your own logic. keep spiraling.hopefully that corner you're backed into will consume you and keep you warm and safe.

>>105930192
soulseek seeders typically expect you to share as well if you'll be snatching everything you can find (which is easy on SS), but those automated bots that send you a chat asking you to seed shit can be ignored. take what you can.
you won't be seeding, so your isp won't bat an eye

>techs chud shilling for graphs
>fr is everything chud saying just use your ears
the conversation has gotten so retarded the positions switched

>>105930227
b-but i do want to seed anyways...

>>105930261
where did he shill graphs?

>>105930277
vpn, then. your call. I'm just raw doggin it out here

>>105930216
How pos interacts with your ear and how your anatomy dictates what pos is meant to sound like is all science. If you thought science is looking at cool pictures then no, sorry.
>if everyone's perception is valid
Everyone's perception is invalid. Proven by countless blind tests. Listening is a skill that must be trained(with EQ of course). If you don't EQ you can't even begin to guess what is tonality and what isn't.

>>105930325
Post your EQ faggot

>>105930332
The same as posting my shoe size. Literally meaningless.

>>105927597 (OP)
what to upgrade from letshuoer s08 to?
looking for a more comfortable shell (like zero 2) and more bass. i listen at low volumes and it's not that hard hitting as my open back headphones

>go to autoeq
>eq 2pos to 1 target
>sounds different
>conclude that techs exist
Now you know what it feels like to have 100 IQ.

>>105930367
at least state budget.
"upgrade," implies spending more which often means larger shell. now i know s08 doesn't have an ideal shell anyways, but nonetheless, most things are not going to be shaped like zero2.

What is up with hypethesonics and their dogshit webpage and why do they have access to a 5128 system? it doesn't look like they do any real research.

>>105930325
>using eq is a prerequisite for basic tonal awareness.
listening is a skill and it's not about having to apply eq. blind tests show perception does matter BECAUSE of how complex systems the ears and brain are, not because a measurement is 'capturing everything'.
stop mentioning science. saying everybody's perception is invalid is called gatekeeping. that's what you're doing. you want science, get rid of the dogma.

>>105930396
>at least state budget.
true, retarded me forgot. looking to spend at a maximum 150 euros with shipping (EU/Germany).
>most things are not going to be shaped like zero2
i'm spoiled by sennheiser IEMs T_T with the S08 i can never get it to stay in my ears for an entire work day, no matter what tips I use. it's entering my ear canal at a weird angle

>>105930367
you have a planar trying to be a DD with decent sensitivity. what amp/dac you using?

>>105930403
People that don't EQ literally rate the same pos randomly despite hearing hundreds of pos previously. There is one way to learn how to actually hear pos for what it is and it's all about EQ.

>>105930414
s08 really has an inexcusably weird shell.
my kefine quatio just arrived and i can at least give a thumbs up or down for it after some listening.
aful explorer is kinda bass-centric but impressions are mixed.
at the limited budget there aren't tons of well-done, bass-forward iems. some eq tweaks on a comfortable pair is an "easier," solution

>>105930423
the apple dongle and I also tried connecting it to my motherboard directly (ALC 4080). also tried the moondrop dawn pro. they all sound pretty much the similar to my ears. bass frequency is very satisfying at medium-high volume, but i couldn't get it similar to my PC38x at low volume even after (terribly) adjusting the EQ.

>>105930445
ok I'll bite. I'll clean up bass bloat on some pos, maybe add bass gain to another, but that's it. bass is my playground. it's the fun factor of a pos, imo.
but that's it. fixing bloat or kicking up what I feel is missing.
there. lol

>>105930445
>rate the same pos randomly
Not as in many people rating the same pos randomly, but as in one man rating one pos randomly, if he can't see it.

just post your HTL pics and be done with this conversation

>>105930456
got a 4.4mm balanced cable? try that

>>105930342
>xe doesn't even EQ
lol

>>105930464
i have to reiterate. messing with bass isn't a mandatory thing for me. I can sit with a pos for all it offers during a listening session and be just fine with it.

>>105930454
>kefine quatio
thanks! i'll take a look at these.
i avoided the aful explorer because quite a few people were having fit issues.
>>105930470
yep, it sounds similar to the 3.5mm cable. my airpods pro 2 with foam tips is what i'm looking to get out of my IEMs. i only use it at the gym, but bass is very satisfying at low volumes.

>>105930490
do you prefer planar over dd at all?

>>105930402
5128 is off-the-shelf hardware, anyone with enough dough can buy it. You could use it for recording ASMR for all they care.
>What is up with hypethesonics
Just a guy that wants to measure shit.

>>105930402
they measure shit, they're using the og version of cringraph
they have cool stuff in theri coupler database

>>105930504
i honestly don't know, i do really like clarity of the planars. i've heard they're supposed to be easier to EQ as well, but i can't really get the results i want with easyeffects on linux. bass becomes very boomy once i start playing with the equalizer, or use the bass enhancer plugin.

nobody actually reads the eq guide, it really is just sitting there in the op

>>105930528
adjust those q-values. they dictate how wide or narrow the 'notch' will be. that hump you're eqing up or down

>>105930554
eq's strongest defenders don't even use eq, it has never been so over

Why is there so much more choice in wire over ear iems compared to bullet iems?

>>105930592
Because bullets suck (according to the market)

>>105929505
lol
>their actual understanding is flawed
>tuning is everything
and then
>this much bass and this much treble gives me positional cues.
>motherfucker what? really. what?
the audacity

>>105929434
>you never hear a peep when it comes to cheap pos being proclaimed as techy
like which ones?

Gate stage as wide as my Origins and Hypes, take that as you will!

>>105930592
variety of reasons. driver size, ergonomics, cultural norms, etc. bullet styles tend to be cheap (perceived and abused as such). if they add more and more acoustic engineering / features (detachable cable, multi-driver, etc.) the size, weight, and cost increases. also typically limited to 1DD sub-8mm or 1BA, again, due to reasonable size and weight constraints.

>>105929721
it is funny how you always bring psychoacoustics but never discuss the actual research... because you never read it
>>105929777
you don't have a PhD in anything. You probably don't even have a basic education

>>105930560
i'll play a bit more in the weekend, but from quick testing the boomy bass seems unavoidable :x might be that im expecting too much from small IEMs compared to headphones or even speakers.

>>105930592
The actual market reason is you can't fit a gorillion of drivers inside them. The reason you personally want to avoid them is either constant slippage(if vented) or random amount of bass(if unvented). It takes a special cable to nozzle distance and angle to make pos that doesn't try to twist itself out of your ear and that's what wire over ear IEMs are trying to achieve.

>>105930690
read the eq guide instead, though you're probably illiterate by the looks of it

>>105929923
>you just invalidated 100% of the entire audio community's experiences
it's been invalidated for decades
were you born yesterday? what an embarrassing fucking conversation jeez

>>105930707
i got the EQ tips from a professional audio engineer, not by some NEET writing shitty blog posts for 4channel.

>>105930717
No audio engineer knows your acoustic impedance.

>still relying on audio "engineers"
headpos law?!

>>105930655
>like which ones
as if edc pro users are willing to go there. hah

>>105930261
>>techs chud shilling for graphs
that's not what's happening
he's actually crying like a confused child
it's fascinating to watch. He also fails to understand the point despite it being explained to him multiple times.

>eq this eq that
>still no eq posted except hexa guy

>>105930728
>acoustic impedance
sounds more like a /fit/aggot who reads more about lifting, than just moving heavy weights around

>IEM sounds boomy
>reduce the boomy frequencies
>IEM is no longer muddy
It's that easy.

>>105930740

>>105930767
epic, now post your real eq

>>105930731
audio engineers would shit bricks catching a glimpse of what goes on in here. the very people putting the techs there in the first place. it's always been up to the consumer to listen to their library with whatever they want, but mixing engineers still put everything in the mix the same as always and it doesn't have anything to do with fr.

>>105930786
most audio engineers still know nothing about their speakers and perpetuate the circle of confusion
audio production =/= audio reproduction, learn the difference first

>>105930783

>>105930750
holy retard lmao

>>105930710
>subjective reviews, audiophile impressions, blind test outcomes, preference research, even Harman curve development, all of it is invalid.

according to you, mr. denial

the irony is you keep asking for research while denying what research actually studies: human auditory perception. ff listener experience is invalid, then so is the foundation of every target and tuning philosophy in existence. go ahead, toss everything out. keep playing yourself. out here arguing human hearing doesn't matter...in a hobby built around listening...do you even hear yourself?

>>105930856
cables and audiophile grade obsidian FTW!

>>105930807
Post your iem convolution files.

>>105930528
lol Is that what you are trying to do with bass?
At least look at the graph to understand what the fuck you are trying to do
You are just making already boomy POS even more boomy
Instead try doing something like adding 3 dB at 20 Hz with Q 0.9 and lowering gain -3 dB at 150 with Q 1

>>105930872
it's literally fox target bro...

>>105930717
What kind of tips did he give you lol??

>>105930856
Harman has been invalidated.

>>105930886
Then post them

>>105930802
you really think producers have no idea what's going into their monitors? circle of confusion isn't an excuse to pretend the PEOPLE THAT MADE THE AUDIO YOU'RE LISTENING TO are clueless. holy fucking denial. really.
don't confuse the limits of playback with the intent of production. you're twisted
>boost 2k and call it imaging
fucking clowns

>>105930878
certified audio engineer moment lmao
is he trying to emulate fucked up room modes or something??

>>105930733
EDC Pro has a decent imagine but it's an utterly muddy and boomy V-shaped pos
But again. You don't give real examples and just shitposting. Retard

>>105930750
boomy and muddy are different things

>>105930896
by shartrur. THAT is your savior?

>>105930896
>shartur inserting his DEI slop
we have both flavors of retards and yet nobody likes you
>>105930906
all reproduction is involved with is tracing back the final audio waveform
that is all there is to it, because music is just that, a singular waveform composed of sine waves from 20 hz to 20 khz

>>105930872
https://files.catbox.moe/yenzvk.wav

>>105930856
you don't know fuck about studies tho.
cite at least one that's relevant to the discussion

>Transform calculus
>Analysis of dynamic systems
>Control systems and theory
>Signal processing
Literally four classes and you'll be set, why are you all so lazy?

>>105930906
Most people are clueless about everything yes
That is correct.

>>105930918
>decent imaging
>utterly muddy and boomy
if you reconcile with that, I'm not here to make you feel bad about the whole $5 you spent. but look at you, clutching on to it like pearls.

>>105930963
I don't even use EDC pro cause shit doesn't fit into my ears properly lol I fucking hate it.

EDC Pro has better imaging than Origin.
Gate too, even better than EDC Pro, but that driver flex is ridiculous.

>>105930986
Ah yes that too Shit is unvented lol
Useless garbage

>>105930934
>all it does is trace a waveform
stop oversimplifying. a sine wave doesn't compare to an actual song with a lot going on in it.

all this and still, nobody answered why speakers, headphones, and pos with identical fr still image differently.
has to be the 10th time today.

>>105931012
>a sine wave doesn't compare to an actual song with a lot going on in it.
High school dropout moment.

>>105930962
what are you even doing here, then? just say you gave up on nuance and need fr to do alll the work. lol

>>105930947
lol you can't be serious

>>105931012
oh man you're actually this clueless huh
go watch some xiph videos or something

>>105931039
>only thing in life I can offer is bullshit and having a real conversation makes my hormones rage.
cope and seethe harder

>>105931012
>why speakers, headphones, and pos with identical fr still image differently.

>>105931088
lights out, son

>>105931081
>has no father figure
>blames me for not teaching him Fourier transform instead

>>105931012
well brainiac? what's the actual answer?

>>105931055
What nuance

>>105931227
Nuance is when you listen to dnb without the b.

>>105931076
Strange, open it in audacity.

>>105931216
>asks question
>bullshit after bullshit replies and non answer
>asks 9 more times
>same shit
>"well why don't YOU answer it?"
this isn't rhetoric, professor. the fact that you didn't even touch it even after being asked 10 times says it all. you'd rather live in a fantasy.

>>105931242
heh

>>105931242
you shut your goddamn mouth

>>105931263
What do you even mean when you say "identical FR"?

>>105931216
He's got it all figured out >>105930378

>>105931263
yeah imagining over9000 meaningless tech terms is not a fantasy

>>105931256
It looks the same when imported into rew, you either uploaded the wrong file or your fox target is some giga fucked up shit

>>105931256
>>105931312
can confirm, looks fucked up in eqapo, rew, and audacity

>>105931312
>>105931326
But how does it sound in audacity.

ive bought the greatest audiophile IEM's, ive acquired the greatest possible dac and amp, ive EQ'd the perfect harman curve, im using ferrite core usb cable and balanced audio cables, im using lossless audio format.

after doing all this i still feel like something is lacking, and i realize i have a buildup of earwax in my ears, so i go to the ear doctor and he fixes it...


but after all that the music STILL doesnt sound as good as it should be! i think the bottleneck is my ears guys. should i get eardrum surgery to fix this? where do i get the audiophile ear surgery?

>>105931334
YOU FAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

>>105931275
graph-matched, rig-measured, amplitude responses of two pos. PR2 and Timeless AE might be aligned to a target and still sound different. why? one's a budget planar with minimal damping and the other has a different diaphragm with different tension, magnet structure, etc.

>>105931334
idk i don't have audacity installed

>>105931346
nobody hears tension or magnet structure, how do these result in sounds that are different from one another?

>>105931263
>why does something I made up not work
>because you made it up
>no, I want a real answer

>>105931335
>should i get eardrum surgery to fix this? where do i get the audiophile ear surgery?
no, doctors are fucking quacks now
this isn't the early 00s where they still took shit seriously

>>105931354
that faggot bitch played us like a fiddle
just open the wav in a player or something

>>105931370
why would i do that

>>105931374
stay in the dark forever then, your choice

>>105931387
ok

Can't believe I have to do this, but here's your reminder that all sounds are just a mix of sine waves

>>105931366
what should i do then? how do i reach the pinnacle of audiophile?

>>105931409
sine waves are a mathematical concept and aren't real

>>105931358
nobody hears copper either. we hear what copper does to the signal. same with a stiff diaphragm or good magnets. they effect dynamic range, transient speeds, decay, phase alignment, resolution. loose diaphragms ring longer and smear details where tighter, stiffer diaphragms snap back fast and sound cleaner. with magnets, stronger motor gives more control, better bass response and less distortion.


>inb4 price doesn't equal performance.
sure, plenty of kilobuck sets measure and sound like rotting ass.

>>105931335
Hmm, sounds like your Cochlea is still in it's burn-in period. I'll prescribe you with 2 weeks of listening to pink noise @80db without any breaks. Follow my instructions and your techs will appear in no time.

>the only people who eq are hexa anon (reasonable) and foxbum (speakertranny target adjacent)
sad

>>105931426
Ah yes. Warm copper cables, my favorite.

>>105931358
it's a great question. you're hearing what the material actually does, not the material itself. you don't hear the magnet, just what it does.

>>105931426
All debunked in the eq guide lmao

>>105931449
if its debunked in the eq guide but nobody reads the eq guide is it really debunked?

>>105931346
>PR2 and Timeless AE might be aligned to a target and still sound different. why?
where's the proof they do?
>one's a budget planar with minimal damping and the other has a different diaphragm with different tension, magnet structure, etc.
brainlet
it doesn't matter
Your methodology is flawed.
What you should do is equalize them to the same target BY EAR.
And then they will sound 95%+ the same. The last 5% is different because of anatomical properties of your ear, different shell nozzle and fit variations.
>graph-matched, rig-measured, amplitude responses of two pos.
what the fuck do you think you are doing when you graph match 2 pos for a measuring rig?

>>105931361
I don't think he has mental capacity to realize that.

>>105931430
arigato very much

>>105931453
Transient response = IR = FR
Phase is tied to FR
Resolution doesn't exist, FR transfer function is continuous
Ringing and decay are tied to FR
Dynamic range is only a non-audible issue with BA pos

>>105931409
No. It's actually much simpler. All sounds are just pressure going up and down. Which is why we don't need 20 thousand drivers.

>>105931474
idk what that all means but u sound like a gay nerd

>>105931410
Visit some research groups and measure your HRTF.
Then EQ to it instead of harman.
Check your ears too. I dunno why you want to do something with your eardrums before actually visiting a doctor.

>>105931484
You forgot that they have to replace their pinna with the custom Welti one

Which company makes the best PMP software?

>>105931474
all wrong.
>>105931480
hey, don't call him a nerd! that implies he knows something

>>105931335
The bottleneck is the faceplate.

>>105931562
>all wrong.
it's all correct tho?

>>105931562
>wrong
>no explanation or argument
Good one.

>>105931346
Here's a question for you
Will
>graph-matched, rig-measured, amplitude responses of two pos
stay graph matched for a totally different rig?

>trying to explain rigs to an n-word that doesn't even volume-match his pos before comparing them

Your next question is "how did you know I'm not volume matching them".

>>105931561
they're all kinda buggy and compromised.
hiby os is fine when paired with decent processor and screen.
android 13 and up is fine, allows more flexibility for streaming and player app choice, can still have bugs.

Where's hilarious dude who was trying to make bass less boomy by adding more bass? I really want to hear audio engineer EQ tips......

eq theorem:
if you've read the eq guide, you're normal
if not, you're retarded

>>105931767
nobody has ever read the eq guide

GAY ARGUING SCHIZOS NEED NOT RESPOND
So what do tipbros think of Azla Crystal? I feel like it's a pretty ideal middleground between Xelastics (without the deforming) and Softears UC (soft not overly sticky material). Liking them so far

>>105931748
>boomy
fuh whaat, bass? I stick with 100-300Hz. a pos either needs more, or less, or no change at all. depends, because I main my pos about a week at a time so I do what I can to get the most out of em. enjoy them better that way.

>>105932184
I'm talking about this one
>>105930528

>>105932204
s08? well like I said, it's one of those planars that try to be a DD, so why not fuck with the same bandwidth?

>>105932294
I just want that one specific dude to show back up and explain himself
as he claimed that
>>105930717
he got tips from audio engineer
minutes after he said
>might be that im expecting too much from small IEMs compared to headphones or even speakers.
hilarious

>>105932318
oh well that's your problem right there. taking him seriously to begin with.

>>105932329
I literally have no problem
Tho I do want to know if actually tuning the bass down instead of up helped him with boomyness

uh oh russia has 50 days before all the vatnik roaches there are doomed to nuclear hellfire by american icbms
burn in hell ziggers, everyone else have a nice day

>>105932484

Everyone here is delusional and deaf, probably from their pos budget IEMs

>post not deleted yet
foxbum is slacking

>>105931566
Fox IEM Mk. 3? Which model is that? 530 or P50?

>>105931748
That wasn't an engineer, that was an enginigger.

>372ms latency
What the fuck, does Sennheiser really?

>>105932608
This is off topic subhuman ruskie troon, why dont you go ahead an ban yourself

>>105933163
He dishes out bans if you attempt to post his beloved fox. Poorfag avataring with dumb incel yiff ahahaha

All the pagpags yapping relentessly about how their condom iems becomes somehow good over some a bit of eq are just coping with their poverty

>>105933163
Bruh, he is so buttblasted

Ruskie subhuman really banned me for 3 days over my fox slop

>ban 1 guy
>no more fox meltdowns
Crazy self-report.

>>105934446
You know very well how many people you banned. Go ahead and ban yourself too for off topic you subhuman fox spammer. I used to support russia but after seeing how repulsive you are its TZD all the way.

>I used to support russia

>>105934494
So you admit its completely unreasonable to support russia

>>105931566
You literally just use this general as your little attention seeking blogpost lmao

>>105929195
from what I understand that is ground connected to japanese made dirt

>no please dont talk about iems look at my foxes instead

>>105934480
6 million innocent ukrainian children banned, oy vey.

>>105934574
Off topic post, why dont you ban yourself?

>>105934586
Global rule 14, behead those who insult the fox.

>>105934618
Oh but you dont like when other people post about the fox positively either. You like keeping your little avatar identity intact, no one gets to post the fox but you

>>105934647
>>105934647
>>105934647

>>105927597 (OP)
The swastika is literally just peak performance.
I challenge anyone to find a better way to present these cables.

>even spacing between all connector ends
>none are too far towards the edges of the image
>this isn't a crop where we can't see the actual cable length
It just works.
If you had a 3-pack you can do the same. If this image bothers anyone it's because they're looking for things to be bothered by. This is peak efficiency.