Thread 105927929

Worth it or nah

worth what

>>105927929 (OP)
>Seagate

Sure, if you have that kind of money to lose.
According to diskprices.com it's 50$ cheaper on amazon though
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FF69RHHL?psc=1

you'll need 3

>>105927929 (OP)
Only for archiving. For consumer usage, I'll say skip it

My sources tell me they are worth approximately $650

>>105927929 (OP)
>seagate
sure, if you want to ensure your HDD fails before you even fill it up

>>105927929 (OP)
I am only going with Toshiba drives for high capacity drives going forward as I believe MAMR is the far superior technology. HAMR might bring more platter density faster, but to me it is clear they are going with HAMR because they can't do what Toshiba does. HAMR should only be used once MAMR gets too complex to implement, which Toshiba says is not the case up to 40TB.

>>105927929 (OP)
>30TB of data on one Seagate drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDj-cLnHrRQ

>>105928456
>Toshiba drives for high capacity
I heard those are real loud

>>105927929 (OP)
not really since you can get an 8tb nvme ssd for the same price. and i can't imagine needing more data than that. i run a plex server with that much SSD storage and can't see myself filling it up anytime soon

>>105928680
Not really, all three brands sound roughly the same to me. I've had all 3 in various ranges, the HGST and now the Ultrastar DC drives are the only ones I would avoid if you are REALLY sensitive to HDD sound.

Anyway, full disk encryption is a much more sensible approach to reduce HDD noise if that is a worry.

>>105928680
This is true anon. In 2019 I bought a quartet of used 4TB HTSG drives and for the last 6 years they've been in my basement making clicking noises that I can hear if I go out of my way to stand next to my NAS.

>>105928701
>i can't imagine needing more data than that.
You can leave the thread now anon.

>>105928781
>full disk encryption is a much more sensible approach to reduce HDD noise if that is a worry
what

>>105928004
click click click click click click

>>105927929 (OP)
1 drive
3tb
seagate
lmao

>>105927987
Why is the Pajeet having a meltdown over Seagate?

>>105928944
Specifically talking in relation to random head movement noises, I have no idea what the technical reason for this, but unencrypted drives sound like they are getting raped to death with large volumes of smaller files and for whatever reason the write patterns is substantially more sequential on encrypted drives so the noises are far less scary.

>>105928781
i had different experiences, toshiba 14tb had very loud seek noises, much louder than 16tb hgst's.

>>105927929 (OP)
Depends on if you need it right now for a project. HDD densities are still increasing by 40-50% every 2 years.

How many terabytes can be transfferd on these before they fail?

>>105927929 (OP)
Just checked HDD prices in my cunt. 70$ for 2TB. When the fuck did they become so expensive?

HDD sizes increase but they're still stuck at sub-sata3 speeds, idgi

>>105927929 (OP)
>21$ per TB
>Seagate

>>105928680
Nope, not the large capacity ones that are filled with Helium. You only hear them when they are actually writing or reading and you can mitigate this rattling considerably by noise isolation measures. I glued neoprene to the side panels of my case and installed the HDDs with rubber buffers in their cages so their clicks do not propagate. And prevented my OS from needlessly scanning the file systems on them.

>>105928701
> 8tb nvme ssd
This is not as reliable a storage as a HDD and only a fraction of the capacity. It's also a waste of FAST storage to just use it as a data grave.

>>105929060
"SAAR HE DIDN'T NEED THE DO FULL AND HAS LOSS OF DATA FUCK SEAGATE SAAR 5 YEAR WARRANTYMABOB MY ASS BASTARD BICH IT DIE IN 3 MONTH MY SCAM CALL SAAR CENTER DUN LOSEDED ALL SAARS CUSTOMER INFOMASHION FUCKING FUCKING BLOODY FUCKING SEAGATE BASTARD BICH"
"NEVER AGAIN"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN HARD DRIVE NO DROP PROOF IT IS METAL SAAR IT BE HARD IT RUGGED SAAR KINDLY FUCK MY NEEDFUL"
"I SHALL BUY ONE DRIVE AGAIN AND IT WILL BE WD"
"THAT WON'T FAIL ME!!"
"IF THAT MAKE ME DO THE LOSEFULL DATA AGAIN I SHALL BUY LACIE, THEY WON'T FAIL ME"
Pajeet loop of suffering
90% of <brand> hatred (unless warranted) is usually thirdies fucking mad for doing things wrong

>>105929366
HDDs have become so unreliable due to the density of their data that they do a write-read verify before moving onto the next task. One rotation per track, but this works and is performant because the density is so high that you don't need to track jump to write single files anymore, and caching serves as a buffer.
Reads are reads and can just do single-pass, which is why they often read slightly faster but they can still read errors and need a re-read.

The actual "raw" performance of a typical high density SATA drive is capable of gigabytes of read/write internally if they stripped all error correction and validity checking. There's no reason why this wouldn't be the case, either. Density has went up 10x, and read/write heads once positioned are essentially limited only by the speed of their magnetic on/off or sensing (for reads) which happens too fast for it to be a limiting factor so instead it's just the price of data safety that makes them slow.

Kind of like how you can use a large marker to cover a whole page of paper faster but if you actually plan to write anything down and have it be legible you gotta slow down. That's what's going on here.
Seagate's multi-actuator drives kind of solve this problem by doing an internal RAID0 but the root of the slowness is due to verification and that's not going to go away any time soon.

200+ MB/s of sustained read/write (starting at around 275-300 MB/s peak outer edge is honestly more than fast enough for most use cases though. There isn't much need for them to be any faster. We have SSDs, for high throughput workloads now.

>>105929581
>There isn't much need for them to be any faster.
but they are making NVME HDDs
If SATA is the only thing holding them back from being faster we should do away with it.

>>105929581
And Kioxia is working on Optical SSDs that will be much faster than current ones

>>105929651
less hot drives will be great

>>105929452
depends on what you're using it for. i use it for media storage and it's all disposable shit, movies, tv shows, and other crap, i wouldn't care if it failed can just redownload everything from usenet in one evening

>>105927929 (OP) Are you a content creator? A creative?

>>105930347
A nigger, perchance?

>>105928680
I have two 22TB MG10s and they're very quiet. People are just retarded brand fanboys even for things like fucking bulk storage manufacturers. Seagate and WD spend more money marketing to retarded gaymers and other niggercattle, so CLEARLY Toshiba must be... le bad!

>>105927929 (OP)
Jews lol

>Wahhhhhh a factory burned down 6000000 million years ago so the price is justified

kill yourself

>>105927929 (OP)
They should make the high capacity drives be $10/TB.

>>105927929 (OP)
At what point is it better to buy a SSD rather than a HDD? Like, how much time would you need to backup 30TB of data from a HDD?

>>105927929 (OP)
>Seagate

Definitely worth it, but, I'll never pay for it

>>105928701
>But I did have breakfast and lunch

>>105928701
anon your plex server sounds like it blows

>>105929671
I don't get it. Is the backplane optical instead of electrical? The interconnect? How and where do you reconvert the info from photons to electrical pulses and what type of energy and heat does that introduce ?

>>105927929 (OP)
NO NOT WORTH IT

It uses SMR which slows down to 1989 hdd speeds if you move anything more than 5 cute cat pictures.
Big drives using SMR is literally a scam.
If it was CMR then you might want to go for it, but what is the point of a 30 TB drive if it shits the bed if your files are bigger than a couple of hundred megabytes?

>>105929408
> And prevented my OS from needlessly scanning the file systems on them
Hmm…
I noticed i can hear mine grinding away when I have the case open.
How do you stop it from doing that?
This seems like a blatent scam to prematurely kill drives. In my opinion, anyway.

>>105932174
there is 0% chance it is SMR on EXOS

>>105932137
https://europe.kioxia.com/en-europe/insights/optical-ssd-202504.html

I am no HDD scientist
It looks to be early concepts
They did show a working prototype at Computex this year though

>>105932186
>>105932174
actually disregard that i suck dicks

the 28TB and 30TB versions use CMR
the 32 and 36TB ones use SMR kek
go for it then

if these are for Datacenters and enterprise why are selling them to goysumers on amazon

>>105929636
>but they are making NVME HDDs
They are using NVMe just as a protocol, not as a speed boost.
24Gb SAS which is capable of 3GB/s has been around for awhile but HDDs don't really take advantage of it, they don't even take advantage of SATA III

NVMe HDDs are more for simplifying hardware design. Moving to an all PCIe system versus relying on a SAS or Trimode host bus adapter of which Broadcom basically has a monopoly on. Will probably be more expensive but more supplier agnostic in the long run.

>>105932236
Just because you sell an HDD to enterprises doesn't mean you can't sell it retail.
You are asking the right question tho. In reality you probably won't see that exact model or even line in huge DC. The big players all get their own white label drives.
Retail HDDs are a bit of an enigma once you find that out. If your ordering a hundred thousand HDDs you don't buy them retail so IDK why Seagate goes so hard on cloud/big data applications in their marketing.
Actual cloud/big data drives have features like host managed SMR or variable capacity. Something you are not going to find on retail drives.

Where those fuckers at?

>>105927929 (OP)
I recently bought a 24 TB Ultrastar for about $500 and so far it's been great. Bit expensive, but I was tired of running out of space.

I will note that drives aimed at data center use are optimized for performance and longevity, with no regard to noise. If you've used a hard disk from the mid-late 90s, it's about that noise level. Which is a fine tradeoff for me though I'd care more if it was chattering in my bedroom at night. Modern hard disks made for desktop use tend to seek much more quietly, except some like WD Black that chatter almost as much as the Ultrastar I got.

>>105927929 (OP)
wouldnt it make more sense to get like 6 drives for 10tb each in case there is 1 failure

>>105932538
maybe I'm just deaf but I have a bunch of white-label/off-spec 18TB seagates and they are mostly whisper quiet. I only ever hear them when they're spinning up. these days I keep them running 24/7 in my closet and I don't even perceive them

>>105928806
Hgst isn't Toshiba

>>105928680
They are, but not as bad as WD's enterprise offerings.

I use both wds and sgs and they worked for 6 years and still do. This thread is a flamewar.

>>105927929 (OP)
Anything over 8TB is a waste of money. I've done the math on the pricing vs how many storage bays. It's cheaper and more efficient in the event of a dead HDD to use 8TB drives with lots of storage bays. They're the best cost per TB, and if they die it's only 8tb you need to resilver.

>>105933328
/g/ is mostly zoomers who have zero experience of any hard disk beyond the external 5TB USB 2.0 drive they keep dropping.
So, like any zoomer, they just parrot what they see on YouTube - which is also full of NPC zoomers who like to squark "3TB Seacrate, krakra."
TL;DR: very few on /g/ have hands-on experience with hard disks, let alone enterprise-tier drives, so they parrot YT to pretend they aren't ignorant.

>>105933328
Do you think a 10 TB Exos would survive a few years? I'm thinking of leaving IronWolf for it.

>>105927929 (OP)
Nobody should be using a hard drive outside of a RAID array, and you can buy 4 8TB drives for cheaper than that one 30TB drive.

>>105933432
This is what a /hsg/ NPC looks like.
>y-you must use raid
>d-density? what is that?
They just don't know enough about how the real world works to offer an informed (or even coherent) opinion.

>>105927929 (OP)
My 22tb one was $250, but it's a Barracuda. Still, I would only use such a drive for media storage.

how long does it take to rebuild a raid10 with these babies?

>>105932196
>I don't know shit, but the marketing slop sounded real fancy.
Fascinating

>>105928701
My man saving yifys to a nas instead of a psp

Bros i'm tired of paying 800 euros a year to dropbox. Can someone offer me a better solution? What HDD's should i get?

>>105934365
Bruh, with 800 euros / year you could get so much storage.

>>105927929 (OP)
Imagine the re-silvering times

>>105934265
no i don't, i just regularly purge media that hasn't been watched in a while. there's no point in keeping it around since 99% of things you'll watch once and never again

>>105928004
>Seagate
>>105929002
>seagate
>>105931537
>Seagate
What's the superior brand?

>>105936477
WD

>>105932625
do the following


read LBA 1513452, then 94, then 762734, then 1358, then 1439756437 then 132 then 16 then 80085 then 100000 then 716637 in sequence, reverse that sequence, then change it around and add randoms shit between them
drives haven't been loud idly spinning since IDE days
drives are loud when seeking
drives sometimes do a repeated click pattern of seeking for preventative wear leveling
people sometimes put their computers on surfaces that resonate and amplify the sounds

drives are usually quiet enough
most people complaining are pussies
people who aren't pussies are either rich or live in very quiet remote areas with good noise suppression in their homes and no other sources of noise, meaning an analog clock ticking will be audible (and maybe annoying to them)

"Desktop" HDDs are usually tuned (nerfing performance to minimize bursts of head movements and also slow head movements as well) to create less noise than others but anyone in a noisy environment probably won't be hearing drives anyway.
If your background noise is very low, you'll hear any drive.

>>105936615
Why?

>>105928211
>>105928561
>>105933397
>>105933620
If seagate is ass what should I buy for my plex server?

>>105936903
CMR Seagate is fine

>>105936934
3.5", CMR, Internal with decent warranty Seagate is fine.
I'd still avoid their externals and all of their 2.5" drives but the same can be said for the other brands, WD externals have a minimum 2-year warranty vs Seagate giving them 1 year so it just seems stupid to buy Seagate externals when they have deemed them not worth matching their competitors warranty. They have done the math and found it wasn't worth covering them for 2 years so let that sink in.

These 5-year warrantied models though? Basically their flagships, should be fine.
Non-SMR barracudas are as good as non-SMR WD Blues and stuff and same with ironwolf vs reds etc.

>>105936824
Their failure rates are lower than Toshiba and far lower than Seagate

>>105934365
This is retarded you can buy 3-4 drives to cover that

>>105937177
Source?

>>105928701
>he can't fill up 8 tb
my mans I'm saving up for a new set of hard drives right now, I only have 16 tb of storage and i feel like a poor person because they're all full
drive 1: Movies and shows
drive 2: Videogames (modern + roms)
drive 3: Artwork (music, images, books, etc)
drive 4: Misc (documents, downloads, epstein client list, crime statistics in the US, a map of every star in the known universe, 200 gigs of rare pepes)

all 4 tb which when I got them were top of the line, now ive got a new job it's time to beef that shit up because im running out of room

>>105937453
>drive 1: Movies and shows
you're never going to watch 99% of these
>drive 2: Videogames (modern + roms)
you're never going to have the time to play 99% of these
>drive 3: Artwork (music, images, books, etc)
you're never going to view or listen to 99% of this
>drive 4: Misc
maybe some of this sounds useful, but definitely not all of it

7200RPM drives go BWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>>105937516
jokes on you short-timer I'm gonna live for a century, I've already watched everything on my movie drive and played half the shit on my game drive
I blast my music 24/7
not my fault you refuse to give yourself options faggot

>>105927929 (OP)
USECASE?

>>105937568
see >>105932236

>>105937234
But i have the flexibility of storing the data online, and sync it offline anytime i want. Dropbox is very flexible and works great with clients aswell

>>105937980
You're literally an NPC.

>>105937245
His source will be the Backblaze stats as always, which are completely irrelevant for the kind of use a drive would see in a home environment.

>>105937245
A Backblaze study from 12 years ago that had zero control and is essentially junk data.