How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archieve, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) - $8
• JCally JM20 Pro (8-Band PEQ) - $24
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>105927597

>>105934618

Oh but you dont like when other people post about the fox positively either. You like keeping your little avatar identity intact, no one gets to post the fox but you.

>>105934647 (OP)
Slopsano, my beloved.

>>105908437

The techs are stored in the glue.

>yes dude, this shitty 20 dollar LCP diaphragm is totally a TOTL monarch killer just cause I changed a couple of decibels in an equalizer

Malaysian burger addicts really think monarchs are anything other than glorified BA pos.

>>105934689
hm? you fucking coward were too afraid to post in the previous thread after being called out and clowned on and now you just continue your retarded shitposting?
garbage without brains

>>105934760
What are you talking about pagpag faggot, rent free, also I was banned by the ruschizo

>>105934707
>0.3%
Oh wow what a horrible distortion! This little pseud never heard anything but his little melted plastic iems

>there is no distortion
>there is distortion but it's inaudible
>there is distortion and that's a good thing

>>105934774
so what exactly is stopping 20 dollar LCP diaphragm from sounding like TOTL monarch killer?

>>105934832
The distortion is too low. R2R DAC, tube amp, BA pos. Now that's techs.

>>105934832
You can only assess techs by hearing the iem, get this through your thick third world skull, your shit tier LCP is not gonna sound the same as proper driver. You cant assess dynamics and resolution by looking at a graph.

tl;dr you are a broke coping fagpag and this will never change

>>105934832
This is such a retard question to even make.

>dude why wont my 20 cheapest manufacturing possible driver not sound like some DLC/DMT/CNT whatever driver that cost them x10 to produce???

The level of cope of you dumbasses is unreal

>>105934934
that's not an answer tho? I'm asking what is stopping it from sounding exactly the same?
>not gonna sound the same as proper driver
what does it mean?
>You cant assess dynamics and resolution by looking at a graph
Why?
>>105934942
Again avoiding the question.
Bunch of retarded seethe is not an argument, sorry.

>>105934964
>w-why
You are trying to make a little bubble where you pretend the limited ways of measuring iems are the end all knowledge. This is a copout to only having access to shitty wankers or the like

>>105934996
How do you know it's "limited ways of measuring"?
>This is a copout to only having access to shitty wankers or the like
No research find any correlation between sound quality and price. For any audio gear.

>>105934942
Discrete circuits are much more expensive to produce than integrate but perform worse. Literally never been an argument in techs. Yes, BAs are older than DDs in case you were just about to embarrass yourself again.

>>105934996
Also you are avoiding the question again. And spouting some unrelated bullshit instead. How about answering the question?
I did not mention anything about measuring by the way.

>>105935023
>b-but why wont my bottom of the barrel drivers sound as good as higher end ones??!
You just cant cope with reality. Glad you got used to eating shit, thats all you'll get your whole life.

>>105935065
But you still can't answer why. If driver is good enough to reproduce 20-20000Hz range it's good enough for anything.
There's literally no correlation between price and sound quality... so why are you seething then?
Do you even have any IEMs lol?

>>105935065
Define higher end.

>>105935090
Something like tanchjims DMT driver compared to a wanker, youd have to be mentally ill to say wanker isnt trash with any amount of eq.

>>105935089
A sine sweep will not reveal dynamics, detail, soundstage. It doesnt matter what you say, outside this general reality points to this being the case.

>>105935110
>Something like tanchjims DMT driver compared to a wanker, youd have to be mentally ill to say wanker isnt trash with any amount of eq.
What's the difference?
>A sine sweep will not reveal dynamics, detail, soundstage.
Why not?
>It doesnt matter what you say, outside this general reality points to this being the case.
The ACTUAL reality point here is that IEMs are minimum phase systems and fully described by FR. That's basically a scientifically proven fact. Meanwhile you are spouting vaguely defined bullshit terms for retards.

>>105935144
Lmao, stay in your containment board pagpag cuck. Its not like youd buy a good iem even if I convince you.

>>105935161
You can't even answer some basic questions... Yet you are malding and seething.
Why?
Post your IEMs

>>105935144
>A sine sweep will not reveal dynamics, detail, soundstage.
>Why not?
Youd have to prove first you can actually correlate FR with any of those, the fact is that changing FR wont hurt dynamics, detail or soundstage on a good iem like origin. And it wont add them to some garbage like wanker.

>>105935174
I cant anwser a non question, you are simply too stupid. Rot in this general with your 20$ chinkbuds forever.

>>105935180
>Youd have to prove first you can actually correlate FR with any of those
The fuck else is there to correlate to?? Fucking ether? hello? Hearing. How does it work.
>the fact is that changing FR wont hurt dynamics, detail or soundstage on a good iem like origin.
Is it a fact tho? How did you establish this "fact"?
If you are hearing something it means it arrived to your eardrum via soundwaves. Meaning it can be measured.
>And it wont add them to some garbage like wanker
Who said wankers have bad soundstage?.. You do realize that it's subjective?... right?

>>105935188
You can't answer any questions. Because you are unironically stupid.

>>105935225
>who said wankers have bad soundstage
I said it, I have them.


Anyway kill yourselves faggots, you will never belong in this hobby, stay in the contaiment board and watch other people enjoy real iems in the shadows.

Season 7 of a man not trained to evaluate FR telling you he can hear things beyond FR.

>>105935275
You are not even good at acquiring some excess money for an origin, what makes you think you qualify for that?

>>105935259
So when I buy origin and it'll have shit soundstage for ME, who will return me $250? You faggot?
You conveniently ignored the fact that hearing soundstage is not objective.
If you have origins and wankers and like origins... then why are you seething like a retard? Ever thought about acting normal?

>>105935329
>So when I buy origin and it'll have shit soundstage for ME, who will return me $250? You faggot?
We are getting somewhere, you admit to this being the root cause of your cope.

>>105935320
You have no IEMs.

Fools are unironically paying for this lmao

>>105935358
Admit what? There's literally no way to tell if POS will have good soundstage. Some people think wankers have great soundstage too.
I can buy fucking origin tomorrow

>>Frequency Response Range: 20Hz-48kHz.
well I guess TECHNICALLY their driver is indeed "higher quality" cause it has response range up to 48kHz LOL
Guess it'll help if you are a fucking dolphin or something. Won't really help with music reproduction.

>>105935471
Any driver can play 48kHz. A flap of meat can play 90kHz. A slab of steel can play 4MHz. Frequencies that humans can hear are so banal from the materials standpoint that you can use fucking paper.

>>105935527
why isn't everybody claiming -48kHz range? Cause it's meaningless lol?

>>105935561
Entirely up to how shameless of a manufacturer you are. Pic related is rated for 40kHz. They could scroll down further and rate them 50kHz.

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment forums and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

>>105934680
Techs are stored in the cum.

Crinacle popularized this idea that you "see the sound of an iem with FR", in reality, you are only observing volume levels. He only does this because he needs to garner followers, and most followers are masses for whom expensive iems are unobtainium.

The irony is that anyone claiming techs dont exist, is just a shill trying to cozzy up to the masses.

>>105935380
Yes, you buy a highly technical iem and EQ it to your liking, not the other way around, mindblowing isnt it?

>>105935755
crinacle invented techs

>>105935774
buy "highly technical iem" with 3 "highly useless nozzles"

>>105935817
Crinacle knew his techs list was receiving negative feedback, he didnt just accidentally make his "YOU CAN SEE SOUND" bs video that makes him look like a humble honest person you should totally trust.

>>105935827
>3 "highly useless nozzles"
I wont deny this was completely unnecessary

>the budget iem specifically made for technicalities!
why doesn't it exist?

>>105936258
they literally do

>>105936258
We've literally been trying to tell you guys EPZ has techs in the faceplates but you don't listen.

>>105936258
CCA CRA unironically was that

>>105936412
nigga... i hope you have at least one clean source for that pos

Guys I bought some kbear storms and Sennheiser ie 200.

Were these good choices?

>>105936584
why did you buy that pos?

>>105936588
Cheap on prime day sale

>>105936464
Idk I've never had an issue with my Sansa clips distorting music. I do have a bunch of other players though.

>>105935755
Sound is nothing but volume levels.
>but sound levels in a metal tube were different than sound levels in my ear!
Would be weird if they were the same.

>>105936403
>>105936412
>>105936464
proofs?

>>105936584
ie200 is a fucking meme

>>105936702

>>105936704
What does that mean exactly? I'm enjoying them.

>>105936723
Channel imbalance are not techs

>>105936730
it means any $20 chinese POS will be better
>I'm enjoying them.
enjoying 7k peak which is probably boosted by your own ear canal resonance?

>>105935592
Asano is completely shameless

>>105935384
you're not buying origin. spend a third of that and get ea500lm. why don't you post one track that has good imaging and separation of instruments? just to demonstrate.
>>105936601
you got the plastic ie instead of 3d printed metal ie. now that will affect your soundstage lmao

>>105936785
Need nude version

>>105936702
I've tried EPZ G10 without a custom faceplate. Bass was flabby, treble was flat, dynamics were nowhere to be heard. A complete yawnfest. Then I popped in my Isabelle customs and it was such a night and day difference. I was listening to GY!BE and the whirlwind of techs and dynamics I was immediately sucked into was so overwhelming I began to weep tears of joy. Pure Audio Nirvana, man.

>>105936775
It literally is though. Pinnae are asymmetrical and create different FR in the left and the right ear. Since IEMs bypass pinna they must have some inherent imbalance.

>>105937121
you're not giving our brains enough credit desu

>rusbum so mad he's banning people now
pathetic, almost as pathetic as vatniks getting raped by azov kek

>>105937072
>pic related
I wasted my time arguing with yiffertroons all this time, i shall head out now

>>105937148
That imbalance is used for determining elevation so now you know why most pos sucks for that.

channel imbalance is a QC issue, not a tech, feature or benefit lol. if lack of pinna isn't best for vertical localization, our brains still compensate very well. people even train themselves on specific pos to localize better over time.
>That imbalance is used for determining elevation...
if it relies a lot on pinna, it's still not channel imbalance. a single signal is filtered before it hits your ear canal. you confused missing spatial information with acoustical channel imbalance

>>105936723
these look cute, what are those?

>>105934707
Can someone share the link to this list again pretty please? It was helpful to me last time when choosing iems. I still like the Salnotes zero

>>105937464
q1 pro with a custom faceplate. >>105936412 same IEM.

>>105937433
>literal different FR at the eardrum is not acoustical channel imbalance
Holy shit go to school.

>+hey these are nice, what are they?
>-epz q1 pro
>every single thread
>not a paid shill at all

>>105937571
I'm not the one confusing two different things, fuck you

>>105937571
no channel imbalance is better than having any you disingenuos piece of shit

>>105937605
work on your grammar SEAfaggot

>>105937609
>no argument
thats what I thought.

>>105937591
perhaps go outside and touch grass once in awhile

>>105937596
You're confusing like 10 different things bro. You confuse volume with techs, tonality with techs, psychoacoustics with psychology, graphs with FR, mixing with mastering, etc. If you know why IEMs must not graph like a flat line then you know why they must have an imbalance. You don't know though.

>>105937211
Trans rights are human rights chuddie. Get with the times.

>>105937072
wow, what a unique snowflake, have a cookie

>>105937631
you're so confident throwing terms around to sound smart without actually connecting it all correctly.
>You confuse volume with techs
I never brought up volume as tech. don't discredit me without quoting me.
>Tonality with techs
I never said tonality is techs, either. techs affect tonality and don't act like tonality is just eq
when good driver design and implementation, venting, materials used all matter.
>psychoacoustics with psychology
imagine thinking psychoacoustics is just psychology or placebo. jesus christ.
>graphs with FR
this is hilarious. YOU are confusing graphs with how things really sound. trying to imply that pinna-filtered perception = imbalance lol cope
>mixing with mastering.
irrelevant to the whole point, but no, bitch, I've made the distinction of both of those already.
eq is mastering. placing the sounds in the mix, locally, is mixing.

you're the one confusing target compensation curves with left/right driver mismatch.
you're using the word "imbalance" as a pseudointellectual replacement for “doesn’t simulate 3D cues like pinna-filtered speakers do,”
and acting like that’s the same as channel mismatch. it’s not. at all.
you’re the one confusing playback imbalance with perceptual asymmetry.
pos don’t simulate elevation well because they bypass pinna, not because they’re ‘imbalanced.’ learn the difference.

>>105937475
Found it, it's HypeTheSonics

>>105937863
>I never brought up volume as tech
You don't volume match so you think different IEMs have different techs.
>I never said tonality is techs,
You haven't completed band identification training so you confuse tonality with techs.
>imagine thinking psychoacoustics is just psychology or placebo.
You think placebo is psychoacoustics,
>YOU are confusing graphs with how things really sound.
You are confusing how things sound(FR) with a line from a microphone at the end of a metal tube(graph).
>you're the one confusing target compensation curves with left/right driver mismatch.
You don't know why targets exist so you don't know why the left and the right ear must have a different target.
>you're using the word "imbalance" as a pseudointellectual replacement for “doesn’t simulate 3D cues like pinna-filtered speakers do,”
Now you're just making shit up.

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment forums and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

>>105937812
Mm...Thamks :3

>>105937922
>You don't volume match so you think different IEMs have different techs
when did I say I do or don't? fucking schizo hallucinating shit
you really think every perceived difference between pos is volume based, which is ridiculous and wrong especially when you DO volume match
>You haven't completed band identification training so you confuse tonality with techs.
if you say harman-trained literally SHUT THE FUCK UP. I can connect tonality is the result where techs are the input. you can't even wrap your head around it
>You think placebo is psychoacoustics
psychoacoustics is a science. you're the one that mixed psychology with psychoacoustics earlier.
>You are confusing how things sound(FR) with a line from a microphone at the end of a metal tube(graph)
it's ironically exactly the opposite. and you just described a coupler as if it's some gotcha. we all know a graph isn’t a reliable representation of real world perception.
>you don't know why targets exist so you don't know why the left and the right ear must have a different target.
your dumbest take. targets are compensations for average hrtf and they are symmetrical. nobody uses different left/right targets unless it's personalized hrtf in dsp or virtualization
pos don’t have asymmetrical target tuning by default and you're conflating pinna asymmetry with playback asymmetry.
>Now you're just making shit up.
you are a piece of work.

>>105936412
I wish they still made Sansa Clip Zips. Mine are old and worn out.

>>105938097
There's always the sports clip go but they can't run Rockbox so you miss out on a lot of cool options.

>>105937691
>deny that hes a man
>deny that techs exist
what causes this?

hey foxbum you missed some cheese

>>105938066
>when did I say I do or don't?
You don't have a rig so you physically can't.
>if you say harman-trained literally SHUT THE FUCK UP
Glad we agree you're untrained.
>psychoacoustics is a science
True. Thanks to this science we know everything you believe to be techs is false.
>it's ironically exactly the opposite.
Nope. You simply think there's some magic dust entering the ear alongside the air. Because you don't know how your ear is changing the very acoustics of the IEM. I can't believe I have to say this but acoustics is about air.
>targets are compensations for average hrtf and they are symmetrical.
You don't have an average HRTF. Average is for the manufacturers. And your personal HRTF is asymmetrical.

>>105938232
Who knows

>>105938286
so your argument boils down to: every time an iem is more technical than mine its just ear shape

>>105938232
Never did either of those, take your meds.

>>105938329
trannyfox are you ok
are you ok tranny

>>105938341
I'm not the fox guy. You're getting people mixed up despite me saying I own the Isabelle EPZ. Seems like you should worry less about what Trans people are doing and learn how to read.

I am from the Draftdodginsky Oblast, I love doing meth and big dildos, tho i dont consider myself gay
Please buy PEZ Q1Pro, I receive commission of 50 rubles every time, which I use for AIDS medication, thank you

>>105938366
my bad I thought that thing was also a fox, what animal do you like to fuck trooner gooner?

>>105938286
you're unraveling harder every time and can't defend your original point.
>gatekeeping while sounding scientific
no rig no opinion? you think measurements are the same as listening as if you can't hear level differences without a coupler and graphs. fucking tard
>untrained
harman trained isn't a real qualification or the flex you think it is, you indoctrinated nutjob. weak as hell groupthink.
>we know everything you believe to be techs is false
psychoacoustics explains perception. it doesn't erase the physical difference between $10 pos and something 100x its price.
>Average is for manufacturers. Your personal HRTF is asymmetrical
I said this earlier. targets are average because manufacturers don’t know your ear. that’s why they're symmetrical and why personal asymmetry isn’t baked into pos tuning. tThanks for agreeing with me while trying to argue

>>105938399
Your mom lol

apparently its a dog, so we have a dogfucker here too, how lovely
ratfuckers, foxfuckers, dogfuckers, what's next? gotta be a horsefucker right?

>>105938316
No, since we know people hear a difference even when literally nothing has changed. This alone creates a steady population of techs retards. My core argument is that all your hear is air pressure, and there's nothing about air pressure that EQ can't fix. Yes, we know that fit and anatomy literally change how IEM performs, but it changes nothing except air pressure at different frequencies.
>>105938417
>no rig no opinion?
Yes. 0.1dB volume difference is enough to skew perception.
>harman trained isn't a real qualification or the flex you think it is, you indoctrinated nutjob. weak as hell groupthink.
There are multiple apps for training. Their core is the same - boosting/cutting some part of a track and learning to identify what changed by ear. After you learn to hear those differences on a track you'll be able to hear them in IEMs that supposedly graph the same. Merely as differently tonality, not some magic. And you'll be able to EQ them out appropriately.
>it doesn't erase the physical difference between $10 pos and something 100x its price.
Acoustically there is no difference.
>targets are average because manufacturers don’t know your ear.
if you're fine with average tunings you don't care about audio.

>>105938454
niggerfucker

people of /iemg/ I hope you see what cretins push the PEZ narratives. sodomites, bestiality lovers, porn addicts, pedophiles. do you really wish to be associated with these lumpen filth? say NO to PEZ

>>105938503
meds

>>105938399
Blind, deaf, illiterate. headfi isn't sending their best.

>>105938557
trooner gooner dogfucker pedo, furaffinity isnt sending their best

>>105938574
Elite inkbunny troop actually.

>>105938591
sure whatever dogfucker pedo

>>105938499
Wasn't chuzo a coon tunes enthusiast? it's been a while.

this is no longer about iems, everyone can already see epz trash is subjectively and objectively horrible
this is a holy war against satanic forces pushing trannyism, bestiality, and pedophilia

>>105938497
is this the best you can do? you really actually don't listen critically or understand the nuances
of audio perception, tech, or pos design because you're stuck with theories and like to gatekeep
with "trained ears" just so you can dismiss how the actual driver physically works lmfao.
>$10 pos are acoustically the same as $1,000 ones
personally, I think this has always been a hilarious take. hilariously wrong and you just admitted you can't hear it.
>if you’re okay with average target tunings, you “don’t care about audio”
everyone but YOU is wrong. amazing. you have a boner from your own confirmation bias and act like a hearing test APP gives you authority.
you’re the one confusing EQ with engineering, placebo with psychoacoustics, rig ownership with credibility and tonality with totality.
and you still haven’t explained how bypassing the pinna=channel imbalance.

>>105937922
>You don't know why targets exist so you don't know why the left and the right ear must have a different target.
How does this even looks like on graphs? Like you first EQ left channel alone by ear, the do this for the right one?

It's kind of funny my daily makes this guy shit himself. Actually, no, it's really funny. I'm just over here talking about Sansa clips and yet he feels the need to sperg about trans folx to me because my iem has a dog girl on it (oh the humanity!)

nobody is doing anything "to you" satanic globalist
this is for all of the bystanders unaware of your pedophilic dogfucking tendencies

>>105938636
Okay I can see where you get dogfucker from, but pedophile? Could you please elaborate on that one real quick?

>>105938618
>personally, I think this has always been a hilarious take. hilariously wrong and you just admitted you can't hear it.
>everyone but YOU is wrong. amazing.
So, no argument.
>and you still haven’t explained how bypassing the pinna=channel imbalance.
Left and right pinna are different - the responses at the eardrums are different. IEMs bypass the pinnae - the responses are not modified, remain channel balanced, inaccurate to your anatomy. You can recreate the effect of the pinnae with imbalance in the IEMs, in hardware or in software.

>>105938661
the dog you want to fuck looks like a literal child

>>105938195
I really want a new, comfortable mp3 player with physical buttons and Rockbox. I'd pay $300 for one.

>>105938619
pretty much. It's a waste of time but you can't say it's wrong. The guy has no grasp on the fundamentals so you can argue any retarded point with him and he'll lose. Like he gave up arguing that IEMs minimum phase when you could literally take real IEM graphs and find excess group delay.

Im done bros, the EQ troons won. I give up arguing with them, forever.

eq troons is apt because just like how they pretend to be women, they pretend to use eq

>>105938699
Blind.

Not one of these EQ Troons has ever posted their EQ, and in fact they shat on Hexa anon's scripts when he posted them, the only person who actually posted his EQ.

>>105938756
that's right, gtfo from this thread and don't come back

>>105938796
troons, philipino pagpags and ruskie, the absolute salt of the earth, all contained within this thread

>talks about measurements
>has no measurement rig

>>105938730
Surfans F20 or HifiWalker H2 are the best you can get that support Rockbox desu. I found my Surfans to be comfy, but I fucked up a wire when opening it so now I have to order a soldering iron to fix that.
>>105938699
Reaching

wow what a shit general

>>105938661
He meant witch IEM, another banger from EPZ.

>>105938835
hiss blaster, avoid

>>105938827
measurements my ass

>>105938682
this is the first time you almost said something coherent… but you still completely missed the mark.
>pos bypass the pinnae, the responses are not modified, remain channel balanced, inaccurate to your anatomy.
finally you admit what I've been saying this whole time.
>You can recreate the effect of the pinnae with imbalance in the IEMs, in hardware or in software
yay you're contradicting yourself again and redefining imbalance. lack of hrtf spatial filtering isn't the same as mismatch fr, or gain or timing between channels.
you redefine imbalance to mean “not shaped to my head”, when the word literally refers to asymmetrical playback between left and right channels.
according to you, channel imbalance just means, "not doing eq", while still admitting to my point then change what imbalance means to save face
kp0yv

>>105938837
enjoy your stay with deluded retards

>>105938837
the harassment will continue until foxbum and every other PEZ pedophile animalfucker does naked dogeza

>>105938856
The literal, and intended, meaning of my words debunks your claims so you assume I redefined those terms to make you right. Holy mental gymnastics, man.
>lack of hrtf spatial filtering isn't the same as mismatch fr,
Is think hrtf spatial filtering is some magic when in fact it's just FR.

>>105938904
>Is think
*You think

>>105938904
this looks like some old ass paper that shouldnt be taken as gospel

To save the thread time spatial localization is possible with just one ear so erase whatever you wanted to write.

>>105938933
Audio is an old ass science. There's only so much you can discover about wiggly air.

>>105938940
localize who asked

Expensive pos = can have good or bad techs, depending on engineering

Cheap pos = doesnt have the profit margin for engineering, no techs

>>105939026
seethe harder

>>105939026

>>105939079

All individual IEM components cost literal pennies, IEM drivers were solved 30 years ago. Assembling a lego is not engineering.

>>105939104
>describes bad engineering

>>105939104
wrong the chink glue is priceless

>>105938843
But the Witch (PoE) is an adult. Just like Diabellze and Diabellstar.

>>105938904
don't do damage control by saying I misunderstood lol you still fail to reconcile your contradictions.
words mean things. and you like to misuse them, constantly. if you meant something else by “imbalance,” then you're still literally proving my point, again.
>You think hrtf spatial filtering is some magic when in fact it's just FR.
lazy take. hrtf technically depends on frequency, but it’s not "just fr" in the same way a coupler measurement is.
pos bypass the whole 3d spatial transfer functions that are the same as hrtfs in different complicated ways but again, pos bypass this, so fr has ZERO spatial information.
it’s fr with missing directional cues, which is the entire point. that’s why binaural recordings work and pos don’t recreate them. because directional filters are missing.
you can't dismiss terms, redefine them, dodge every contradiction you're called out on and then accuse others of 'mental gymnastics' (lmaoooo) when they hold you to a simple definition.
you're dodging yourself.

EQ is a tool to improve sound quality, not an idol to be worshipped. Stop using it purely for internet arguments and start learning how to actually use it.

>>105939160
I asked earlier for someone to post any song they think has a good mix and instruments are well separated, etc.
still, nothing.

>>105939208
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDuxP2vnWNk
Now stfu

>>105939227
>severe yt compression is apparent/shit SQ
can't even tell if the original mix was SHOOTING for anything decent. try again

>>105939269
No, heil hitler nigga

>>105939208
No one wants to share their tastes with doki doki troony tunes loving anime freaks, but ill bite the bait

>>105939284
>mp3
no techs lmao

>>105934647 (OP)
I will now buy Tanchjim

>>105939416
damn, you're dumb.

>>105939140
Nope. It literally is just FR. Pinna can't change anything else. It's an LTI system. Different direction = different FR. That's how you can create binaural audio without literal ears recording it, like in games. You're confusing how HRTF works with the fact that IEMs operate in the DF HRTF mode. If you somehow hallucinated that I said that EQ can turn a regular recording into a binaural recording then no, it can't do it for the same reason IEMs can't do it - it's static.

>>105939449
Nigga are you still fighting? U got humiliated just give up

>>105939449
don't use technobabble bullshit to keep deflecting and stop misrepresenting my arguments, which you keep doing.
you keep oversimplifying partial truths to sound like an argument, but you still ignore the distinction
I made between fr as a graph from being a directional, time-dependant process.
yes, different directions= different fr. that’s called spatial encoding, not 'just FR'.
now you're dragging in game audio and pretending it supports your point when it does the opposite.
game engines explicitly model directionality because a flat fr without spatial cues gives no positional info.
and you're shifting goalposts. again, for the Nth time. I never said eq makes something binaural.
I said pos can’t reconstruct spatial cues because they bypass the very anatomy that imparts those cues.
You called that 'imbalance', which is your own invented definition. stop misusing technical terms to dodge a point you already lost.
don't invent your own definitions of imbalance and try to pass it off as consensus.

>no June gazette
even editorzo gave up on this shithole

>>105939104
it seems that the 64 audio driver that caused them a scandal, doesnt infact cost literal pennies, damn how do you fit this driver in a 20$ iem bro?

>>105939584
>I said pos can’t reconstruct spatial cues because they bypass the very anatomy that imparts those cues.
>You called that 'imbalance'
I called imbalance imbalance. You made something up and got mad about it. You place a mic on an eardrum - you get a different FR at your left and your right eardrum. Both in the diffuse mode and in the binaural mode. Only DF is relevant to to IEMs but since you brought binaural audio into the discussion and still fundamentally misunderstood it I educated you here as well. IEMs must have two different FRs to account for two different DF HRTFs. Purely for tonality. If you got aggroed at this >>105937283 then it's because you can't read. It's not about creating spatial information.

>>105939756
>gweilo prices
Heh

>>105939728
foxbum and his gang of epz discord trannies are behind 90% of the trash in these threads

>>105939789
theres not a single iem below 100 bucks with this driver, the chinks dont work for free, please kill yourself and stop coping

>>105939757
>still defending his iem having less volume on one side than the other
>he really thinks this is good and does mental gymnastics about ear shape
What about iems with no channel imbalance? Wouldnt they be better retard?

>>105939807
If only there was a way to ignore and not respond to it...

>>105939757
don't tell me I'm mad, I'm simply correcting you and you can't resist turning a disagreement into shit-flinging. if your entire argument is “hrtf mismatch = imbalance,” you just admitted pos don’t image properly because they can’t recreate those personal filters..which is my point, not yours. you’re trying to win a contradiction you caused by arguing in a circle. next time, just say, "yeah, you're right. pos bypass individual hrtfs and that affects spatial reproduction, not just tonality"

>>105939859
why would I do that seeing foxbum seethe and nuke posts for making fun of his family in russia getting drone striked into oblivion is the best fun ive had in years

>best fun ive had in years
grim

Thoughts on SeeAudio Rinko?
Has anyone tried them?

>>105939927
they're just adequate. a normal v-shape-ish sound.

>>105939927
better than foxpiss pos at least (bombed by ukraine)

>>105939863
Saying I redefine words and then arguing with the supposedly real meaning is not "correcting". Just sayin.
>you just admitted pos don’t image properly because they can’t recreate those personal filters
Channel balanced pos doesn't. Neither does pos you haven't EQd.
>yeah, you're right. pos bypass individual hrtfs and that affects spatial reproduction, not just tonality"
Glad you finally agree soundstage is just FR.

>>105939822
>theres not a single iem below 100 bucks with this driver.
you sure about that? dioko, z12, s12, s12 pro, pr1, pr1 pro, pr2, prx, nicehck f1, zetian wu, pla13, trn rosefinch, c5

fun fact foxbum will never directly reply to a post making fun of him for being a vatnik cockroach, its like a win any argument for free card

>>105939967
what? are any of them 20$? then shut the fuck up

I have now had 2 pairs of Moondrop Chu 2 and my EPZ Q1 Pro all get clogged filters in one ear and get quiet as fuck within a year of purchase. Are there any chi-fi IEMs that don't have this fucking issue? None of my VSonics ever had this problem they just broke normally after years of use

>>105940068
>q1pro is now a clog machine like chu 2
rofl it just keeps getting worse
anyways try tanchjim bunny i guess people say they have anticlog filters or gate havent heard of those clogging

>>105940047
>below 100 bucks
and tbf, kz planars are around $20 now

>>105939974
some of them are philipino pagpags tho: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQj8qOMXFzs

>tastes just like the real deal
>sounds just like the real deal

>>105939958
>pretending not to be confused
stop contradicting yourself and actually entertain why you could be full of shit, rather than get off track with your cope. you just suck at conversation.
>soundstage is just fr
but fr without hrtf is exactly why soundstage fails on pos. you're reducing soundstage to a flat fr curve then bring up hrtfs when convenient.
>Channel balanced pos doesn’t image
so you admit pos can fail at spacial reproduction and you didn't mention literal channel imbalance. this wouldn't be so diffucult if you weren't trying to redefine everything to protect your self-rightousness.
you conflate “channel imbalance” with “not personalized HRTF” and then you accuse me of redefining terms when you're blatantly shifting definitions to save face.
you have no level of insight here if you're just gonna dwell in contradictions you can't even address.
You keep insisting ‘soundstage is just fr’ while admitting pos need different frs to match different DF hrtfs, which is literally a directional model.
that’s hrtf mismatch affecting spatial perception, which was my point from the beginning. if you keep misusing terms and dodge
being called out, you're losing the argument to YOURSELF. this convo went from you redefining terms, to contradicting yourself more than once, to trying to gaslight me
into thinking you made a point when you walked right into mine.
you admitted pos don’t replicate spatial filtering and that's the entire reason soundstage suffers.
if you still want to reduce that to 'just fr,' then you've already lost the nuance and the plot. we’re done here.

>>105940100
filipinos should shill flipears, at least their pagpag looks nice but I guess they're low class flips who cant afford them
do the phillipines have a caste system like india? they must be the dalit(shartur) equivalent

>>105940047
you said, and I quote, "under $100"
if you meant $20, then you should have clarified that, dumb sack of dog shit

>>105939943
Normal V-shape like Samsung buds pro kind of sound?
Are they any better than the average normalfag TWS?

uh oh foxbum freakout say bye bye to half the posts in the thread kek

>>105940130
not all planars have the same driver, i doubt dioko has the same driver as the 64 audio, therefore youre still being a facetious retard

>>105940127
Oh wow we hit the nail huh? Ruskies and pinoys buttmad ITT

What IEM you recommend for DD style bass with planar sound for everything else?

>>105940167
lmao its so fucking funny seeing them melt down like this
almost feel bad

>>105940157
>14.3mm planar
wow. SO specific. don't be obtuse saying stupid shit then try to make someone clarifying it for you look retarded. you have emotional instability lol

>>105940111
>but fr without hrtf
You are extremely confused. DF HRTF is a single FR graph. Pos needs to reflect it.
>so you admit pos can fail at spacial reproduction
I say wrong FR can ruin it. You say it's inherent to pos. You're wrong because pos does nothing that EQ can't do. It's just FR.

>>105940198
why are you arguing, you cant fit that driver in a shitty 30$ EPZ, it just doesnt fit the budget, you lost tranny

>>105940169
Thats shit combo. You need planar for bass and DDs for everything else.

>>105940148
you can look at graphs
>Samsung buds pro kind of sound?
not really, no. these are significantly different sounds.
>better
arbitrary criteria. i don't know what "better," means to you. wired iems benefit from being inherently "lossless," and there are many options to choose from in all different price brackets.

>>105940210
elaborate further, if you could.

>post 1 fox
>get 100 replies
That's an insane return on investment, maybe I should post fox too...

>>105940325
You can even delete the replies and gather them again!

>>105939902
Maybe he just doesn't have friends or something. He doesn't even come here to talk about iems, just pokes around to annoy people.

oh looks like foxbum's discord troons are back

>>105940380
We brought reinforcements. Floof levels critical.

>>105940418
i dont think that will do anything to stop your zigger cockroach family from getting atomized by american cruise missiles

>>105940380
Sorry I just finished up my goon session a few minutes ago. Still have to clean up so just popping in for a bit.

>>105940210
>>105940264
who said anything about a $30 epz?

>>105940485
I said it's endgame.

>>105940582
bad channel matching

endgame for getting annihilated by ukrainian killer drones

>>105940582
well you're wrong in your assumption, ruskie.

he ragequit after seeing the channel matching graph again
9/11 for furfags

>>105939208
We only listen to real music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhuKyXJoyRw

value gspot whacked again with a ball peen hammer.

TECHS TECHS TECHS!!

>>105940838

>>105940857
how can foxzo reconcile with his idol being russophobic

>>105940857
>sean olive trying to be edgy
the moment a non-political asshole brings up politics and show their emotional investment in it, all credibility is lost, imo.
I didn't have to include that target. it was just there as NGGR is the only one with both those measurements right now. but you knew that .

>>105940905
shitting on evil dictators isnt political

>>105940921
cool story bro

>>105940921
Vax status?

>>105941017
xhe's triple boosted and still wears a mask. I'm willing to bet they hate trump too.

>>105941033
i love trump now that he's giving cruise missiles to ukraine to kill vatnik ziggers

>>105940091
thanks b

>>105941049
>I love Trump
Ew Pedo

>>105941049
fucking kek, what info is even making it to the russians if they defend trump

Whatever anon in a previous thread recommended me the Moondrop Mays for gaming, thank you they are so good. But what if I wanted something similar for just watching videos and listening to audio? I love my wan'er II's but I feel like they lack something on the vocals side.

>>105941280
u dont need different shit for "different," uses like that. the mays are fine

>>105941291
>the mays are fine
apparently not when they only fit his gaming use case. he already knows he doesn't like it for videos and music. you could have told him to just eq lol

>>105941328
Nobody here uses EQ, especially not the people constantly shilling it.

.

>>105941456
I see..very insightful.

>>105939208
I was sleeping, fag

>>105941648
who was talkin to you? I meant anybody

>>105940204
yet you'll fail to EQ soundstage into POS without it

>>105940838
>hearing aid tier 15k peak
lol

>>105940259
I see. So the rinkos have more bass and emphasis on female vocals compared to the buds pro. Thanks anon
I'm using that comparison because I used to own the buds for years so they're my point of reference

>>105941280
analog mays have great FR for music and videos
you literally do not need anything else

where did deafzo go? he seems kinda quiet recently. surely it couldnt be that he's actually one of the animalfucker pedos and the cca cra was never a real pos in the first place right? right???

>>105941743
>>105941328
can you read? he already doesn't like it for those use cases

>>105941976
ntas but tbf, he didn't say anything about liking/disliking the mays for that purpose. it's a bit ambiguous

>>105941989
>it's a bit ambiguous
well let me try and cut through the bullshit. if he had time to game with it, he had time to check out a video or song or two.

>>105942012
have you seen the last two threads? you'd be surprised by how retarded some people can be

>>105941976
may has fuckton of presets tho
also that's why rays would be better it's the same shit but has PC EQ app

>may
>ray
Moondrop gay is coming.

>>105942034
yeah but if I get too comfortable with assuming everyone but me is a retard, I'll end up just as ignorant and retarded like the 'fr is everything' cunt(s) here.

>>105942012
he said he likes waner 2... and guess what

>>105942066
What makes you think you aren't just as ignorant?

Currently working on the square wave response demonstration for the guide.
If you have any changes, questions, or advice, shoot them now.

>>105942085
not sayin I can't be sometimes, but at least having accountability is way more than many people can handle themselves. the people that can't admit they ever said or did anything wrong..ya know. faggots.

>>105942092
First show that 2 pos have the same square wave after EQ, then show that a well tuned pos must have a bad square wave, then hit em with the fact it literally doesn't matter how it looks since human ear doesn't hear waveforms
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffka-hPzug0
Should cover all bases.

Another cool demo would be to measure the FR with music. Since we still have mathlets around here.

>>105936853
>>105939208
here
https://youtu.be/MSq5gv484NU
https://youtu.be/2XzOILNGQno
https://youtu.be/onQoQudFGV0

>>105942127
I am debating whether I should take the same approach as with IR, or record videos showing the change in square wave response with EQ and how it ties back to FR.
>>105942159
Here's a non-smoothed FR measured using white noise with FSAF on REW. More susceptible to noise as frequency goes up, but it is accurate.
I'll have to experiment more for TD+N.

>>105942230
Just the slightest smoothing will work here. I'll test it out with a variety of files later.

>>105942063
Every moondrop is gay.

>>105942200
excellent. I was only able to tolerate about 15 seconds of the first one lol. the ace combat tracks were especially interesting because I heard up/down panning. thanks, I'll try and check em out with other sets.

>>105942092
>more useless slop for a useless guide nobody reads

>>105934647 (OP)
Ordered a Tanchjim Bunny, but either someone took it or it was delivered to the wrong address by my country's postal service. How do I get over the pain, /g/uys?

Does anybody recommend a particular cable for my Sennheiser HD579's? I don't like having to use the 6.5mm to 3.5mm adapter. I want to buy a cable for them so I start using them again.

>>105942425
If it was amazon you can get your money back. Otherwise try to contact the seller, good luck lol.

>>105942410
nihilist

>>105942438
the guide has been in the OP for months and all we have to show for it is one guy who uses 3 filters. great job

>>105942436
It was Amazon, but it was an import. Tried contacting the seller through them, they now have 2 business days to get back to me. Hope I get a replacement. :(

>>105942457
better than ***** using 0.1db q7 filters at 18khz

>>105942473
the bar is in hell

>>105942482
hence why the guide was made in the first place

>>105942486
and it didn't do shit

>>105942489
i used it and it's decent
everyone that doesn't use it while using eq always ends up with a monstrosity

>>105942498
you did? then post your eq preset

>>105942425
>6.5mm to 3.5mm adapter
this is a very standard thing all audiophiles deal with. just deal with it. it's a waste of money to purchase a specially designed 6.35mm* terminated cable.

>>105942506
NTA but I've read the guide and what it ACTUALLY tells you is that you need a speaker setup and a measuring device for proper EQ. Which means 99% of fags here can never achieve it.
So "using" it without proper setup is kinda meaningless.

>>105942506
here you go, but i also left in the treble fuckery i did

>>105942542
Sorry, anon, I wasn't very clear. I use a 3.5mm male to 6.5mm female adapter that came with the headphones. The headphones came with a 6.5mm male to 2.5mm male cable to plug into the headphones themselves. My devices have 3.5mm jacks, I want to plug into that, but with the adapter it looks like a standing penis, and feels like every little movement is going to damage the puny 3.5mm jack on the device.

I'm more so looking for a Sennheiser-specific (due to the little locking mechanism on the 2.5mm end) 3.5mm (male) to 2.5mm (male) cable.

>>105942558
show me the actual filters in your eq program, prove you actually use it
weird how it took you so long, make it quick this time

>>105942567
bro i had to remeasure and upload the file to squig man, cut me some slack
here you go, compared to my other pos it's definitely less finicky in the treble. pretty good

>>105942077
still here by the way, did a bit of checking with certain videos and songs and it works well. Just looking for something with more vibrant vocals and fits as snug as the May's cause I was honestly surprised how well they fit in my ears

>>105942587
finally we have one other person confirmed to use eq, a grand total of 2 people and 9 filters
respect for not being a little pussy bitch

>>105942610
use mobile app make a custom profile with all bands at 0 and save it on DSP and check that one

>>105942698
>>105942607
meant for that one

come home music enjoyer chad

>>105942610
I use EQ too
Here's my q1 pro EQ actually but that shit is too high level for you retards

How about adding tips and tricks on how to deal with ear resonance peaks to the guide?

>>105942610
i mean, i also have like a few dozen eq presets total for my pos

>>105942816
there's a whole section dedicated to that topic
im starting to believe that im actually the only person to have read the guide

>>105942826
>thinks he has big balls for relying on eq
>doesn't see it as a crutch
why bother with this scrub?

>>105942840
almost every pos i've ever tried could be improved with eq, i don't see why i shouldn't if it takes me 5 minutes and removes most flaws while also giving me flexibility to change the tonality
i don't care if people don't use eq, but those that do should at least take a look at the guide
every attempt at eq here and other places is sad to see, most people don't even bother changing the frequency and q factor

>>105942860
most people don't know what q factor even is

>>105942832
that is because you are. nobody reads that shit.

>>105942832
yeah genius? and what kind of tips and tricks does it provide then?
>Assuming the location of the canal resonance peak has already been found, measurement at said location should be obtained for the IEM that will be recipient to the EQ
this one?
dumb fuck
>im starting to believe that im actually the only person to have read the guide
you should start to believe that you aren't actually as smart as you think you are

>>105942916
these ones
if you can't follow them because you don't know how to listen critically to pick out the flaws of your pos, then yeah these tips might seem too far fetched, but that's one the person using the guide, not the guide itself

>>105942965
that's literal nonsense
>confirm that
0 details
>determine whether
0 details
>locate the peak using
0 explanation
>if you can't follow
there's nothing to follow
also I bet 90% of the thread are listening to their resonances and wondering why their POS is sibilant and tonally weird

>>105943119
at a certain point, the reader has to also contribute something
because resonances will change from unit to unit and person to person, there aren't any specific steps that can be recommended
what are the steps that you would instead propose?

>>105943151
1. don't
2. be
3. a
4. faggot

>>105943187
we were having a productive* conversation and you decided to behave like a little bitch
then you wonder why nobody likes you

>>105943214
You don't know what's in my head you twat

>>105943264
not much i presume

>>105942965
>dont use sine sweeps
oh great the writer is skill issued
no wonder nobody reads it

>>105943321
it's a valid warning, i personally use them but i can see why some shouldn't considering how some anons here do not know how to listen critically

>>105943365
are you the real eqzo? you better not be his gay boyfriend

>>105943371
i'm a proud woman (not troon) who is also not a fox lover, but rather a dog knotter

>>105943375
why cant eqzo defend himself instead of getting his gay lovers to do it for him

>>105943386
ask the foxtrannies, pretty sure one of them is guidezo

>>105943151
>what are the steps that you would instead propose?
I have a couple ideas. They'd need to be validated by people who actually know what they are doing.
We all know that our ears are bad with sine swipes, and upper treble being all fucky and higher pitched makes it even more problematic. But what about using mismatched eartips for comparison? For example triple flange or foam. With sine swipes peaks will uncover themselves as channel imbalance. It is much more comprehensible than trying to hear which frequency is louder while raping your ears with sines

>>105943403
>sine swipes
swipe these paws bitch

>>105943397
not surprised the guide is utter autofellating wordy crap nobody ever reads

/iemg/, schizo central

>>105943425
>>105943425
>>105943425