Thread 105935001

DON'T BUY PIXELS FOR PRIVACY.

>>105935001 (OP)
Proofs?

>>105935001 (OP)
So what to buy instead then? There is no modem without proprietary blobs so either no phone or GrapheneOS. Also even if you create open source modem, it is illegal to connect it to any network and military will catch you immediately.

>>105935268
>So what to buy instead then?
I don't know, but certainly not a Pixel. I have no money to waste in on placebos.

>>105935001 (OP)
So what do I use instead? Xaomi?

>>105935735
>>105935268
Please see >>>105931239 in which this one schizo admitted that he in fact has no idea what else you could use. He can't even come up with any other brand he deems trustworthy.

>>105936036
>the Graphene cult
This guy knows the first rule of opsec right? Nothing is 100% secure. But doing something is always better than nothing. This is like saying you shouldn't use an alternative browser because it's still either google or mozilla under the hood.

Fairphone doesn't have this issue

>>105935287
>PlacebOS
Nice.

>>105936491
this needs to be a thing

>>105936504
>Graphmeme
>Glowphene
>Googlephene
>PlacebOS

>>105935735
Could chinkshit unironically be the solution? Why would I care about asian commies collecting my data anyway?

>>105935287
>So what to buy instead then?
>I don't know
what is the purpose of this thread then OP?

>>105936798
Exposing the Graphene cult.

>>105936817
but you're also telling us that they are the best option..

>dont buy pixels because they're not perfect

>instead buy insanely locked down absolute trash so that instead of discussing what flaws might be in graphene/pixels, we can discuss nothing because its all locked down garbage

nice thread op, im sure you did this with the best of intentions

>>105937613
GOOD MORNING SAAR

who cares

>>105936681
PlacebOS is the best one by far.

>>105935001 (OP)
If feds and glowies like you are seething about it, it's probably marginally better than other options.

>>105936504
>Security and privacy-focused OS with a hardened kernel and your data being sent to Canonical every 5 mins

>>105938018
Ubuntu Touch?

>>105938056
there's sailfish but ni/g/gers can barely live without google wallet, every linux phone with no matter what android compatibility will just be too hard, then go crying bout muh privacy

>>105935268
>>105935735
>>105936798
The baseband processor in your phone handles telecommunication functions and is able to take requests to communicate with your SIM, independent of the operating system your phone is running. The best option you have right now is to use a device running something like Graphene or Calyx without a SIM. You should use some sort of VoIP service, either by connecting to public Wi-Fi or by carrying around a mobile hotspot that you can connect to with your phone to make calls. The hotspot would still have all of those same issues but at least it would be separate from the device that holds all of your data.

>>105935001 (OP)
It was never about privacy, but security, stupid newfag.
If you want your schizophrenic privacy, buy some very old stinkpad (pre-lenovo era) and install libre/coreboot.

>>105938217
my country's ISP is not giving googol my data, so having a totally degoogled linux phone works for me (at least in privacy department), going schizo on closed firnware of the baseband, yeah, if you want state-level security even your voip solution is retarded

>>105935001 (OP)
avereage discussion of grapheneos on simplex

>>105938283
fdroid bad mkay? Use google play store

>>105938283
so ehat prob some shitposter talking shit

>>105938057
What makes pixels uniquely insecure compared to samsung, apple, etc? Surely you aren't just trying to get people to use stock android or iOS?

>>105938327
again mixing security and privacy, for security they are pretty much the same (only iphones are secure after first unlock from things like cellebrite), it's about privacy, getting rid of google and google hw is as far as you can get (and then you have security schizo who suggests sandboxing google play, maybe great for security, shit for privacy), choose one, security for selling your sould to google, go with graphene or ios, stop fucking mixing concepts like a 12yo

>>105938327
You won't get the answer for that. This is so blatant psyop it's not even funny.
>>105936681
You're supposed to discuss this in your psyop discord, no rupees for you today prakashit.

>>105938396
the answer is fucking cellebrite, they can get your data after first unlock from pixels, can't do the same for iphones, turns out pajeet engineering of tpm sucks, so if you want security ios is the better choice

>>105938441
>data can be extracted from Pixel after it's unlocked
iTards, everyone

>>105935268
Don't cram everything into one device.
Either use a phone as a mobile modem and connect to that with a secondary device and an encrypted tunnel to somewhere else or outright use a mobile modem to do that.
>>105938327
Produced by Google who have a history of using their marketshare to push bullshit, especially when the market has been winnowed down to just a few products.

>>105938481
look into cellebrite leaks, google pajeets shat the bed with titan design while secure enclave on iphones serves its purpose, mmmuh security on android is second grade by default

>>105938364
>use the word "secure" instead of "private"
>met with an unreadable wall of text
>>105938396
Indeed, I don't mind if people want to discuss the merits of things and bring up valid critiques, but this seems too desperate (and too sudden) to be good faith. I wouldn't be surprised if intelligence agencies have actually stepped up deploying posters to try and stop as many people from using graphene as possible.

>>105938540
Now tell us how exactly Cellebrite works. Also avoid posting any harmful content since everything in your phone is scanned.

>>105938543
these are different concepts, micah is a security freak that trusts googol, he's completely antiprivacy, what does sandboxing 5 different google opay services do to privacy, nothing, graphene is for security retards who think nsa is trying to break into their phones and totally ignore the privacy aspect, privacy starts with getting rid of googol, it's like fucking completely orthogonal and graphene users just can't grasp the concept

>>105938567
do your googol search yourself, not spoonfeeding you nigger

>>105938608
So you don't know jackshit, not surprising from iTard.

>>105938597
Sandboxing google play services disallows it from running with root privileges and accessing camera, files, microphone, and location at all times (even when these are supposedly turned off). Its as though you don't even know what sandboxing is.

Isn't the solution to have a dumb phone that you use for critical emergency communication and use VoIP/wi-fi for everything else?

>>105938625
want me to do opsec for you aswell, fucking lazy retards deserve what you get, it's literally one search away, maybe ask chatgpt why israeli company cellebrite advertises being able to break into pixels after initial pin entry and doesn't claim the same ability for iphones, good luck secpro

>>105938653
stock android has sandboxing like that, again, basic security feature that does nothing for privacy, especially if you run 5 google play services all one the same account (and even for different accounts they will correlate the calls to their services, fucking graphene users and privacy kekke)

>>105938667
Just asked you how it breaks into Pixels, if it's Wi-Fi, Bluetooth or USB but I guess it's too much complex topic for iTards like you, some eceleb told you iPhone is the most secure device so it must be true.

>>105938719
it's a fucking commercial solution for agencies that can bypass the pajeet titan chip, but fails with secure enclave, who knows how they do it, definitely not google as cellebrite ain't selling it

>>105938767
>the only proof is that some jew says he can break into Pixels but not iPhones
why are iGoyim so gullible?

>>105938829
it's a fucking commercial solution, testing their claims is as hard as having a single pixel phone and testing their solution, do you think fbi forgot to do this? Jesus christ graphene faggots are really a cult

>>105938283
Graphene cult censorship in action

>>105935001 (OP)
i'd trust google over schizo micay

>>105938862
I have a commercial solution to hack into any iToy, don't ask how. Checkmate.

>>105935268
Anything that supports postmarketOS. I use Phosh on my phone and it just werks for all the basic tasks I need out of a smartphone.

>>105938990
good luck not selling it to anybody that can test your claims, do you fucking retard understand that fbi/cia use cellebrite, so they can't just claim santa is real? Fucking cultists

We just spent 100mil on our newest toy, how about we not test what the israelis say it can do ok? Epstein 2.0

>>105939016
>>105939034
>cellebrite can break into android just because they say so, don't ask how because it's irrelevant
>also FBI can't break into iPhones because there is no company working with them that claims it can
I get it, you're brown and not capable of verifying claims or critical thinking in general. I'm sorry you were born wrong.

>>105939327
how is your magic breaking into iphones solution working for you? Got any sales? Cellebrite in the meantime is used all over the world, surely every country that bought it is on epstein flight log so noone dares to criticise kikes for fake advertising, they all just accept they can't break into pixels even when they advertise it as a functionality, yhe cult is strong as always, time for micah to go after the kikes

>>105939420
bibi needs to disavow cellebrite or we're gonna get 1000 mastodon posts questioning the holocaust, oh boi

>>105939420
>cellebrite is widely used on android because most people stay on stock OS that is vulnerable because of outdated kernel and other stuff vendors don't care about, no proof of cellebrite successfully breaking into security-focused ROMs
>brownie thinks blackbox iPhone is inpenetrable because there is no public information about it
Why are you in this board when you're not even competent enough to defend your claims? Just admit you're brown and go back to /int/

>>105939554
calyx attacked graphene, calyx lost, fdroid attacked graphene, fdroid lost, jews attacked graphene... Bring it

>>105939619
cellebrite is not used on x because ppl download it retard, it's not useful on iphones because secure enclave (tpm chip that works unlike titan) secures iphones from it and if you compare tables from the latest leaks gos does shit vs stock android when it comes to 'after first pin entry', androids are fucked with pajeet tpm chip, white man from apple won, graphene faggots keep reeing

>>105939686
>muh secure enclave™
>still no links, just references to "latest leaks"
yeah you don't know what you're talking about brownie, just parroting shit from apple sponsored eceleb

>>105939768
that's just what you get if bother to google (you love! google after all privacy kuck) cellebrite leaks, pixels are fucked, cue in they lied, muh pixels are fine, sure, israeli spy agency did pr for apple kek, muh muh muh... the security retards from google just can't handle the fact their pajeets fucked up, literally any agency would scream their advertised abilities are a lie, ssssurely kikes lied, we have to get micah on the case, kikes are attacking his graphene harder than ytbers

>>105935001 (OP)
>Pixel Device
Google's spyware bs
>Literally any other Android device
Google's spyware bs + another companys spyware bs
>iToddler
Apple's spyware bs

if you're going Android, Pixel is the best option
these are sad times we live in

>>105939840
lol no, any chink/gook hw + lineage is better, unless you don't give a shit about privacy, then why not just stock and not bother

>>105935001 (OP)
all the anti pixel threads only confirm pixel is the best option out there.

well done glowies, retarded as usual.

>>105939876
antigraphene now == antipixel, kek, you can get a normal lineage rom with root microg and fdroid on a pixel, graphene decides for you you do not deserve root, open source stores are not to be trusted etc, it's a jail for stupid ppl, I want schizos to decide what to do with my hw yay

>>105939824
>>105939907
>streetshitter switches from applecuck to lineagepoo in 5 minutes
Holy shit Trump did some serious cuts in the glownigger shilling department since they resorted to hiring the lowest pajeet caste for scraps.

>>105939981
again you streetshitter mix privacy and security, gos gives 0 privacy, muh hardened kernel options give 0 extra privacy, pushing play store -infinity in terms of privacy, it is all about micah's security, if you want thay of course you'll be retard that will stop yourself from having root on your own hw, can't trust a retard like yourself, for security go with micah and google, for privacy lineage is good step, but you're too stupid to inderstand, stop yourself from having root, you're too dumb to use root after all

>>105939824
Alright, NTA but I did the needful and searched
https://osservatorionessuno.org/blog/2025/03/a-deep-dive-into-cellebrite-android-support-as-of-february-2025/#the-february-2025-support-matrix
>on the contrary GrapheneOS additional hardening and protections are effective, and have been so since 2022. Brute force is generally not available, because the user credentials are stored in the the secure element, and thus cannot be extracted and active attempts are heavily throttle
>As you could have guessed, the more solid choice for an Android device is a newer Pixel, running GrapheneOS and with a strong password.
And https://stacker.news/items/543727
So these guys seem to disagree with you. Show us proof of your claims now.

>>105940144
do a basic fucking search, latest cellebrite leak was like from 2023/24, don't remember, but 2022 is way behind the times, inb4 they were working for apple as always with graphenecult

>>105940181
what I find amazing is NOONE is disputing OP, gOS is shit for privacy, it is all about schizos like micay thinking NSA is decrypting their phone through IME or something, all fucking pedos, noone fucking cares about the fact gOS delivers nothing in terms of privacy, fuck they went out of their way to 'sandbox' the tools to invade your privacy and claim running 5 google play services in a sandbox is a good thing kek

>>105940181
The first link in question talks about February 2025, not 2022, open your eyes.
The burden is on (You) to provide proofs of (Your) claims, not other anons.

>>105940181
>>105940293
>article from 2025
>nooo there is another leak...I think
just die from ecoli already subhuman

>>105940293
when they know you're a pedo who cares I guess, only then can your gOS security kick in and keep your shit secret, idk guise, but I don't really care about pedosecurity, I care about my shit not being parsed by googol and shit, I know tiny diff between a sicko and a guy who fights with corpos kek

>>105940314
the retard claims there was nothing happenning since 2022, kek, see https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1e7qwr8/leaked_docs_show_what_phones_cellebrite_can_and/

>>105940314
there were leaks in both 23 and 24, bbbut muh 25 article claims we're in 22 state??? kys

You are full of shit

>>105940314
latest fucking leaks confirming iphone still noy fucked (july 2024) https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/1e6a52n/cellebrite_unable_to_unlock_iphones_on_ios_174_or/
surely apple paid for marketing

>>105940430
no dude, the kikes who sell it just asked all their customers to keep quiet, fucking cult

This is why we need Graphene vs state of Israel, it's gonna be epic

>check the leak because the streetshitter cant post anything except reddit links
>GrapheneOS not affected
iJeets BTFO, you will never poo in loo

>>105940529
now post the ios matrix

>>105940544
come on post it, securest of androids were raped for years, now what changed as not titan chip kek, muj graphenebros we're safe now (once you agree you were raped for years), it's ok

>>105940608
iy's ok to be a victim graphenebros

>>105938441
>>105938767
>>105940293
>"don't use gos because the phone is controlled by google"
>"please buy iPhone because its secure, okay?"
How can someone be so retarded?

>>105940621
what do you mean the loudest securitybros wrre the victims kek

>>105940544
>>105940608
>>105940621
Holy shit, the cope

>>105940636
people post proofs pixels get raped -> omg how can you claim I was raped, accept it googlebro

>>105940647
i'm sure the titan chip is still safe in your mind, gg

>>105940653
>pixels get raped
What are you doing to your phone, Anond?

>>105935268
>even if you create open source modem, it is illegal to connect it to any network and military will catch you immediately
do americans really?

>>105940672
dude kikes claim for whole world to see your device is fucked, go ahead and play dumb

>>105940683
This thread is about gos, no need to seethe so hard. Also, the leak clearly shows graphene is unaffected.
With this level of reading comprehension you have bigger problems than the Israelis unlocking your phone

>>105940544
>>105940608
Sure, here it is streetshitter, iToys vulnerable after first unlock. Thanks for making me find these tables, what a self-own lmao.

>>105935001 (OP)
>makes thread about the OS
>all arguments against it are based on hw
You'll get 'em next time, agent

Anti-GOS shilling has been getting out of hand lately. I refuse to believe that op is doing this for free, he has to be linked to Cellebrite, NSO or some other israeli spyware outfit.

>>105940718
>unaffected
when compared to base pixel, you get exactly same lack of security as with google chip, no amount of magic kernel twraks from 0 to 1 change shit, it's either googol bs or iphone

>>105935287
>see this thread made on repeat for weeks
>it's just another schizo's blog being treated as a source of fact

>>105940729
now compare with ios matrix where 5 yo iphone is secure from after first pin entry, uh oh, daniel mixah save us, explain why they attacking us reee

>>105940472
exactly, no matter how many proofs provided this guy will continue his vague baseless claims while wanting other people to do his work and substantiate them for him. Cult-like behaviour from that cunt

>>105940800
heretic, hardened mmu memory addresses means we're safer, who cares noone ever managrd to make a poc of such attack and your tpm still gets raped by israelis, we're safe bros, good smoke and mirrors is better than apple defense kej

>>105940849
your handset gets officially announced as cracked after first unlocked, jewish lies kek, literally noone tested

Rangeban India NOW

>>105940869
literally kikes and their false advertising... And noone bites, surely micah got it right kek, graphenefags are a state of mind

>>105939870
The best phone to install LineageOS on is a Pixel because they are the only phones that allow you to relock the bootloader. But if you already have a Pixel why would you use LineageOS over Graphene?

>>105940849
>baseless
a fucking commercial solution promises to fucking get your data graphenefag, if they failed they would be sued, surely all agencies all over the world failed and just didn't bother to sue them, makes total sense

>>105940914
relocking bootloader is another fake defence, do you really think someone's gonna enter your room and overwrite bootloader? Again retards from security defending about the most retarded gorilla nigger scenario, privacy is what counts, not you kernel options, graphenekeks can't understand

>>105940942
this whole thread is about PRIVACY, not your retarded security schizos, nvm, graphenekeks can't distinguish

>>105940942
>another fake defence
It helps, therefore phones that can't do it are inferior to ones that can.
What phone running Lineage is better than a Pixel?

>>105935735
Don't use a spy device in the first place? People existed before smartphones

>>105940963
what helps? Listening to your security schizo, fdroid bad? Gplay good? Root bad... You have to be retarded to consider his ideas good

>>105940980
What if I use my own judgement and in fact install only 90% of opensource apps from f-droid (via Driod-ify), with sandboxed Gapps in a separate profile for the only few closed source apps that have them as a hard requirement, on my Graphene'd Pixel? I know, I know, crazy idea

>>105941042
you still lack root on a device you own, you're a cuck

>>105941064
What is your usecase for root access on your phone?

>>105941064
n-n-no I asked to be a cuck from the start you see and micah delivered
dude you're a cuck, not even getting into using cucked libc implementation and not proper libc, get fucked

>>105941064
I don't need it, I had LineageOS on my previous phone and didn't get it there either, it was only useful for me years ago when my shit phone lacked custom ROMs and on another one when Android didn't provide things I wanted. Tell me why root is useful for privacy, what do you use it for

>>105941079
idk, I have full root on full linux phone (sfos) so I fully control systemb/dbus and shit, write my oen .sh scripts, I don't really care what limitatioms you android/bionic cucks have

>>105941097
>don't need it
so you agree to be cucked for your won security, good, only cucks give up root

>>105941079
Turning your phone UI into an absolute diarrhea. No real usecase outside that anymore but pajeets just need their phone to resemble their country, hence the GOS hate.

>>105941104
https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux-phones.html

>>105941123
yhe literal: think of the children
bbbut ios keke

>>105941123
Guess that you can't even think of a real usecase for root on Android, I accept your concession.

>>105941133
>https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/linux-phones.html
ctrl-f sailfish
0 results, go back to bed graphenekuck, can't trust you with root for sure

>>105941178
I don't even believe you have ever owned one of these. Post a picture of your phone? Why do you like it? What is your usecase?

>>105941176
dude, on sfos I can access anything from cli, gps-cli and you get your position right in command line, wiritng a hiking application is like putting watch gps-cli >> mytrack
it will append gps coords automatically, no I need amuh android studio and 10k hours of shit, most of my programs are in cron, you just have proper linux in pocket, but I know it's hard to understand for where's my termux child from grifters like graphene

>>105941196
screenshot from 4chan client neliapila

>>105941200
So this discussion has nothing with GrapheneOS itself but a critique of Android in general, what a cunt.

>>105941178
https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/new-binaries-blobs-for-xperia-v-and-iv-what-is-happening-actually/22584

>>105941253
if you want to jump in use xperia 10 III, that is latest and mature port, C2 if you can stomach low specs

>>105941252
b-b-but muh root is undeserved, daniel micay deserves to decide if I get root or not (pbuh), you can do a shit of cool things with root, but you can't be trusted, daniel only trusts himself, go be a good piggy

unironically based, i've learned that 99% of privacy schizos on 4chan are pedos, best not to have them favouring a good operating system and spread some FUD instead

>>105941258
>use xperia 10 III
This has not gotten security updates since 2023. Ewaste. Sony only do two years of security updates.

>>105941284
latest sfos update was like a month ago, sailfish has about 7-8 years support window

>>105941299
do they support volte?

>>105941284
you can run android apps on sfos, but it's a paid option (and will stall at some point), base system gets updated regularly for a long while

>>105941309
on XIII yeah, some people report success in XV, but older devices not really, it's still a wip

>>105941299
They just backport AOSP security patches. Which doesn't protect against hardware vulnerabilities that are completely abandoned by Sony leaving you vulnerable to Zero days.

>>105941329
nah, sfos is linux, aosp patches are kinda useless and only apply to appsupport, which is optional

>>105941329
but yeah, if you want to go into hw backdoors like with google hw sure I'm sure sony sells theirs to cia/fbi too or whatever, they operate on the OS level for sfos for whatever it's worth

>>105941350
their latest HW (C2) is turkish, so who knows if they sold their backdoors to russia or us

>>105941339
Are you actually trying to tell me that the people porting Linux to your Xperia phone are going to update your modem firmware if a zero day is discovered? Jesus Christ you are retarded.

>>105941370
yeah, if sony does, they do not do hw shit for xperia, but they keep the OS alive, you literally start with flashing their os on top of X xperia binaries, that's sony's job, noone updates modem firmware if there is a sudden cve, it just doesn't happen, your android updates never do kek

>>105941370
I might be retarded, but I've used sfos for 12 years now, and since jolla 1 the schtick is the same, the fact you're now getting EU mandated updates for 2-3 years doesn't mean they fix any modem cve's, it's just certificate updates 99% of the time, again android shit has no impact on sfos as it's only running compatibility layer to drivers (yes, state actors can probably rewrite their shit to target sfos, propbably already did as russia is using sfos offshoot, who cares)

>>105941413
as in seriously, for 0-day android you will need x android services to properly exploit, on sfos you can only hit the drivers and you're fucked because on top you have normal linux, in terms of security it's probably safer than graphene assuming a remote crash of drivers possible

>Care about privacy
>Use a sketchy OS made by a proven weirdo instead of just buying a seperate phone that you don't associate with your own personal info (name, address, banking details)
>Keep your regular phone for banking apps, work etc
Honestly the use cases for a super schizo phone are pretty small when you consider you'll basically always be trackable in most cases anyway.

>>105941443
It's kind of funny, android: this specific byte order will cause crash which will then cause x, y, z. SFOS: libhybris received weird data from driver, should we crash????

>>105941505
Google hw, google os, and schizo on top, perfect combination

>Pixels
That's my favorite band.

>>105941513
>>Keep your regular phone for banking apps, work etc
That's an attack vector

Its actually simple:

1. Trusting GrapheneOS on Pixel devices means trusting Google’s closed-source hardware stack.

2. This undermines any meaningful difference between GrapheneOS and stock Android.

3. To fully deGoogle, one must reject hardware where Google controls the silicon.

What is so difficult to understand about this?

>>105935268
> GraphmemeOS

>>105936036
>>105936414
>>105937613
>GayphagOS

>>105941772
Do you recommend iPhones, then? They're degoogled, right?

>>105941064
This
Why bother having a phone without root?
That's as gay as AIDS

>>105941772
What operating system do you use, anon? Windows? Mac OS? Linux? Do you trust Intel and AMD? YES? NO?

>>105935001 (OP)
>>105935268
>>105936036
>>105938327

You can never be sure hardware is secure and not backdoored. This goes for every electronic device, including your router, toaster, phone and CPU.
I'm so fatigued with the same retard argument of:
>What about insecure hardware
OP you're a nigger. If you really believe that, go live in the woods far away from any electronics. Jews could have every CPU backdoored, every phone, every computer, every server. Even your pacemaker or smart glucose monitor.

>>105935001 (OP)
literally so simple. just buy chinese phones in china to be free from CIA surveillance, and buy american or north korean phones to not be under chinese/etc surveillance. or build a phone from scratch using risc-v and dismiss other components that have no alternatives yet idk. I'm pretty sure a small custom touchscreen computer without backdoors and without the ability to call people is possible to make, gnu/linux can be engineered onto anything.

but nobody needs this much privacy anyways.

>>105941176
Go be a tech Luddite somewhere else kid

>>105941810
No, I don't.

>>105941832
This. I was about to walk him thru how moronic his takes and position is with this post: >>105941830
But he's incredibly fucking retarded

>>105941832
>You can never be sure hardware is secure and not backdoored.
yes, you can. you're just uninformed.

>>105941830
I am using a cheap chinese smartphone with stock android. This is not worse than a Pixel with Graphene.

>>105941847
Why not? It's degoogled unlike android phones.

>>105941862
Because Apple controls it.

>>105941861
It's not backdoored? I'm sure it uses Google or the Chinese iterant of Google, no?

>>105941883
Yes, it is backdoored. Just like an iphone or Graphene Pixel.

>>105941877
What's the name of the chink phone you use that isn't controlled by its manufacturer, that's degoogled, anon?

>>105941904
My device is under full control of the corpos. I don't know what you are talking about.

He's running SaarOS

what are my only options guys? i dont even know anymore

>>105941859
how? using RISC V chips exclusively and examining each one with a $20000 microscope?

>>105941938
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1Zng31xsLX8
maybe a raspberry pi with a touchscreen and battery? or wait until the same thing is possible with riscv?
>>105941844
or this

>>105941967
maybe wait until the free software foundation whitelists/verify some processors? I'd do that imo

>>105941967
NTA but RISC-V doesn't guarantee the chip to be completely FOSS or free of backdoors

>>105935287
>op openly admits this is just a disingenuous demoralization thread
>retards insist on keeping it going for more than half a day

What? How can googlr control your camera if you have a different OS than android?

Also why is it illegal to use your own modem?

>>105935287
He's not wrong though.
Does GrapheneOS explicitly block GPS and use GLONASS/Beidou/Galileo instead?

Cellebrite claims BFU access on IOS, not on Android, Graphene manages locking into BFU, cops seethe, everything else is hypotheticals and unproovable jeet glowie rambling, you can always go more schizo, it's retarded to go less schizo if you have something to hide, all mobile communication is compromised.

>>105941846
So, that anon was unfortunately not able to answer, making his ultimate argument quite weak, what's your usecase for root on Android today? That would be some insecure bloat to enable for me it even if I don't need it.

>>105935001 (OP)
Serious question. How secure are blackberries from the feds?

>>105943373
gets you raped to death the moment you catch a signal/10

>>105943392
Explain

>>105943406
no

>>105942099
Because it made it and has magic that allows it to communicate with it without you seeing the packets because its "outside the OS" even tho so is fucking wireshark but glowies don't want you to think

>>105935268
for me, it's Xiaomi 14T Pro with HyperOS 2

Why don't you guys just get an iPhone if you value security?

>>105936844
he's not. grab a librem or a pinephone over a pixel. no one's going to give you a genuine recommendation because it's not a property one can guarantee with any modern smartphone.

>>105944717
>grab a librem or a pinephone over a pixel.
Linux distros for phones are barely working. I appreciate the pinephone (can't really recommend purism after they managed to completely fuck up as a company with the librem 5), especially the hardware switches but the OS simply isn't ready for daily driving them. Also you'd need to tinker a lot to get it reasonably secure.

>>105935268
>"and military will catch you immediately."
>no don't do it
>except for the people that do actually do it, they're magically allowed
try being less retarded, thanks

>>105945182
yeah I completely agree with you on both. but graphene has an order of magnitude more red flags than the two combined. he's got the autistic tunnel vision mindset good for red teaming, but not for innovation in security, which needs pragmatism and comprehensive thinking, the polar opposite skillset of autists.

>>105945182
sailfish has been working and daily drivable for over a decade, it can also run android apps for things that are not ever coming for linux like uber, even most banking apps work with microg

>>105945673
So are you saying that Micay's personality (nevermind that there are more contributors than just him) is the reason you assume that GOS is insecure?

>>105945739
no, weird individuals like >>105941133 putting their weight behind it gives it a red flag. I did not say insecure, I can't be fucked to argue and defend this in an imageboard post. I only added that his autism (not his abrasive personality, again putting words in my mouth) is not an upside to what he's trying to do, despite him seemingly pulling out tons of hat tricks ultimately irrelevant to anyone's threat model.

>>105936817
>only mobile os that mossad cant hack
>ITS BAD!!11
fuck off jidf

>>105945768
Why is a Whoonix developer endorsing a privacy product bad?

>>105945768
>no, weird individuals like >>105941133 putting their weight behind it gives it a red flag
I get that as madaidan sucks balls but to say 'Some weirdo is for it so it must be bad' is an extremely vulnerable mindset as the feds can easily false flag anything.
>his autism (not his abrasive personality, again putting words in my mouth)
Autism is part of his personality. But also I didn't say 'abrasive'. You are putting words in my mouth and trying to redefine words as we speak. Not a good look there, fren.
>is not an upside to what he's trying to do
Whether or not it's harder for him to maintain the level of security both him and we expect of him doesn't matter because
1. He does in fact reach it
2. There are more contributors than him
>ultimately irrelevant to anyone's threat model.
Like what?

>>105945782
whonix is a good project, don't sully its name by pinning it to a jeet-tier drive-by contributor.
>>105945786
autism is not a personality, kys.
>the feds can easily false flag anything.
yeah, that's why it's corroborating evidence. when jim cramer says your stock is gold am I supposed to believe it is?
low effort reply, because I can't be fucked with this right now.

incessant arguing about phone OS is such low IQ behavior, don't use your phone for a bunch of excessive and data collecting activities. you have retards talking about does graphene block GPS like it's relevant when your device location data can be traced with many other means. unless you just leave it somewhere, which is so freeing. i leave my phone at my desk most of the time, i'll check it when i get home, get back to someone on the chance i got a text. depending on what i'm doing when i leave the house i'll bring the phone of course, but for example when i go to work it stays at home. there's landline phones there if i need to make any calls and people i'm close with have that number if there was some type of major emergency (one of the biggest fantasies of phone shills, some big emergency where you need to be reached immediately and if you dont, someone will die or something (there never is))

that being said, accepting the fact that you can and are tracked no matter what you do, and beyond means that any amount of opsec or theorycrafting or special OS could ever prevent, from a featureful aspect graphene does have some nice shit that other OSes don't have, like sandboxing applications and controlled folder access. also multiple users / profiles on the device, with separate apps and permissions and such, so if multiple people wanted to use the device. among some other stuff that would be nice to have on any OS.

>>105945804
>autism is not a personality, kys.
It's literally part of their personality. Having a developmental illness that in most cases significantly changes how you can interact with other humans has a meaningful impact on your personality.
>yeah, that's why it's corroborating evidence
And do you have some solutions which apparently are free of this boon of some fed saying 'this good'?

Every piece of hardware has a backdoor, fuck you glownigger kike. How about you go murder some moors?

>>105935735
>scuse me sirs but how do I shot prism break?
You don't.

>>105945812
if autism is a personality then "he" needs to make it a life goal to stop being autistic, micah.

>>105945831
>if autism is a personality
Part of it
>"he" needs to make it a life goal to stop being autistic, micah.
If you think he'd be this calm you clearly haven't done enough research on his meltdowns

>>105945807
>sandboxing applications and controlled folder access. also multiple users / profiles on the device, with separate apps and permissions
all of these are stock android features you dumb monkey!!!

>>105942142
tell me you don't know how GNSS works without telling me

>>105941859
No. You are baiting or retarded. There's exactly two ways to know your hardware is not compromised:
>1) Make your own or get open source hardware
Not viable because open source hardware either doesn't exist or is completely unusable and stuck in the 90's. You can buy a pinephone and know your hardware is safe, but nobody buys them, you know why.
>2) Inspect every component you buy under a microscope
I won't elaborate. If you don't get this then you are not worth talking to.
Every Intel CPU since 2008 has ME in it, which is potentially backdoored. You have to trust Intel, or you might as well go live in the woods. Because living in the woods is much better than using piece of shit open source hardware. AMD has an equivalent for IME so you're not safe with them either.

>>105935268
>>105935001 (OP)
>Meme andjeet rom made by some schizo who is unironically a google stan and gets buttblasted if you try to distribute his software via f-droid.
No thank you

didn't read a single word of this schizobabble thread
just gonna drop a reminder that
>Graphene is battle-tested by people with actual security needs (organized crime)
>prosecuters around Europe are trying to get it recognised in court as a crime tool since no civilian would have such a need for security
>police start seething and harrassing you if they know you're running Graphene https://www.androidauthority.com/why-i-use-grapheneos-on-pixel-3575477/
>Cellebrite, MSAB etc are desperate and have job listings for security researchers specifically targeting Graphene

>>105936414
when people say to use a modified browser they don't mean for it to break the threat model of the glowniggers spying on you. its purpose is to defeat ads and foil 2fa requests and other webtrackers. its purpose is also to strain google, which must use tax dollars and revenue for their purposes, and dealing with the globes data via companies like youtube is not trivial for them so the (((retards))) seething that people know not falling into their honeytraps costs them money isn't convincing.

The reason you would want to protect yourself from being tracked by your phone though are much different. the kinds of sensitive conversations you can have while its nearby are completely different to that of your PC. You should be throwing those things in a sound box at MINIMUM, not installing some altjeet spin of android and pretending you're golden.

>>105945990
>graphene is battle tested by (((organized criminals)))
yawn.

>>105945893
not really, and not in the same way, its difficult on regular android to sandbox gplay or gplay services, and when i used graphene it had really good app permissions settings that were much more in depth than on stock android. i'm not shilling for graphene either, you dumb monkey, the fact it is developed by one guy is very strange to me and glows, combined with the fact its only supported on google phones ironically. but still i overall preferred it to stock android. i moved on from smartphones entirely though because it all got so gay. every phone is the same, the price goes up, the quality goes down, the way they design them to fail so you have to buy new ones, the punchole cameras, the ubiquitous monolithic design, the jeetware and bloat. tacky, insecure, data raping botnet.

>>105945990
wrong article
https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-organized-crime-preferred-phone-3573578/

>>105946016
>the fact it is developed by one guy
it's not, they have several paid devs, they get a lot in donations from people like vitalik
the lead dev was some ukrainian that got sent to the meatgrinder

>>105945992
We have a rule to leave the phone in the car at our extremist larp meetups anyway :/

>>105935001 (OP)
those anti-graphene threads seem very organic.

>>105935268
>So what to buy instead then?
enters chat
seriously though, after being powered on for 2 weeks and connected to the internet you can factory unlock the bootloader and install or brick whatever you want
I used to have sonim but the new G power 2025 is ip68 rated and has a headphone jack

>>105945990
Can you provide evidence that anything you've said here is actually true and did happen the way you claim?

>>105946519
first two are from court documents like https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/7658-potential-appearances-of-grapheneos-in-mobile-forensic-reports
>The Google Pixel phone should also be hidden from traffic. Although the police have not yet been able to investigate this telephone, it is known that this type of telephone is often used to communicate encrypted to commit criminal offences. According to the public prosecutor, the uncontrolled possession of a Google Pixel phone is therefore contrary to the public interest and the law.
I already sent an article for the third
for the fourth: https://cellebrite.com/en/about/careers/positions/?comeet_cat=israel-tlv&comeet_pos=FE.D18&comeet_all=all
>Advantage: Experience dealing with modern memory corruption mitigations, such as PAC and MTE.
you can guess which Android OS uses that

>>105943933
Thats fucking atrocious.
How can I convince normies rhat google is secretely taking naked pictures of you so CEOs can sell them on the black market? I want to destroy google

>>105935268
Just build your own modem from scratch

>>105946361
Motos are great, desu. Yeah, not for privacy or security, but still solid cheap phones

>>105946589
Frankly, this is a greater threat to gos than anything. Right now, countries probably won't ban pixel phones because Google, but if there ever is a graphene phone, you can bet it will be declared illegal