How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archieve, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) - $8
• JCally JM20 Pro (8-Band PEQ) - $24
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>105943425

>>105953097
stop being retarded resonance peaks are huge even with all the damping and can vary a fuckton

>eq guide back in OP
KYS YOU FAGGOTS

What should I buy between the KZ EDC Pro, Moondrop Chu II, Tangzu Waner SG 2 and Thruthear Gate? I've never owned an IEM before and would like something with good quality to start with.

someone make a new thread, this OP is vandalised

>>105953176
How cute! You don't even know probe mics aren't reliable beyond 7k due to positioning variances and resonant sensitivities, as many mics stop being omnidirectional in that area. Also, most music follows a pink noise-like spectra, the energy in the treble is much lower than your retardation with a sine sweep.

so... poorfags are fighting over epz q1 pro, Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox), and eq guide?

>>105953247
it's enough to fuck up tonality especially if your peak is around 6-7k. Vocals will be weird, cymbals will be weird etc.
Are you deaf and can't hear changes in the treble properly or something?
Go add 3 dB shelf after 5k and tell me how treble energy doesn't matter for music

if your dongle dac doesn't double as your desktop amp, then what the fuck are you doin?

>>105953300
Did I say it doesn't matter? I said it's not as bad as an undamped 711 resonant peak.

>>105953247
i have no bones to pick in this dog fight, but i saw that
embarrassing!

>>105953317
I LITERALLY never mentioned 711

>>105953317
you are retarded to think resonance peaks won't fuck up music tonality when they are peaking above already boosted IEM treble

>>105953347
>>105953362
https://agendaweb.org/reading-exercises.html

>>105953383
lol just shut the fuck up if you have nothing to add
feel free to continue to listen to your "damped" resonance peaks like a retard lmao

simGOAT

>needs EQ if it's undamped
>needs EQ if it's damped
20 literally worthless posts.

>>105953717
very worthy post

>>105953427
it's what makes crin lovers seethe

Kefine Quatio L/R Measurements

>>105954059
THD. Keep in mind you should not trust the % as a high quality measurement. I am only looking for the general characteristic 1kHz hump of mid-range balanced armatures, and it does not appear to be present in Quatio.

>>105953215
fox iem

>>105954253
where is the dildo collection

>>105954284
in my car

I was thinking about grabbing an echo mini, but I've heard the bluetooth is wonky and there's no gapless playback. Not sure how good the audio scrolling is with current firmware either.
>Under $100
>music/audiobooks at work, ASMR in bed
>EDM, metal, anisong
>None with PMPs, I'm extremely fond of my WF-1000XM3s though as far as IEMs go
I do see the shangling and hiby in the op guide, so I'll probably go with one of those if there's not much else to recommend, though I'd love to hear what people enjoy using.

Someone said Prestige LTD mk2 in the previous thread.

Where did you see news about this?
What does the faceplate look like?

https://youtu.be/SGEXQjR3nwQ?si=COUXTkIx6H_t_dTB

Got these for a bargain price of $9 on Aliexpress with coins. These things are rock solid and the magnets inside are so strong they repel each other. They sound way more expensive than $9.

Any good planar iems?

>>105954791
none

get the Etymotic ER2SE

>>105954997
I don't live in the US. So they get really expensive due to tariffs

>>105953141 (OP)
>Hall of Fame
>• Etymotic ER2XR (neutral) - $100
Please stop shilling Etymotics ER2XRs
they sound like listening to music coming from a room from the outside
there's absolutely zero detail above the bass
20$ garbage sometimes sounds better
please remove them from the consoomer guide

>>105953303
Me loving my Hifiman EF400 desktop amp.

>>105954791
Tangzu Legend and the Letshuoer S15.

Legend is so based if you like extended treble.

>>105955321
fuck off retard

>>105955684
no, you fuck off

7HZ Zero 2 IEM vs QKZ x HBB IEM... which one should I get?

>>105956149
QKZ x HBB if you like a lot of bass

>>105954522
bruh

>>105956248
This is why you can't trust any poor third world subhuman ape to review cheap audio products.
They have no frame of reference and think garbage like this $9 treble rape machine is "rock solid"

>>105955321
even the absolute best and universally loved IEMs sometimes get negative opinions from few people who don't like them personally, you just happen to be one of them
read the first paragraph of the consoomer guide rentry, it's the most important rule by far when it comes to IEMs

>>105955321
ER2SE and ER2XR have stood the test of time as absolute all time greats, it's ok if you don't like them but don't come in sperging out in the sperg general anon :3

>>105956333
>>105956337
it's not that I don't """"LIKE THEM""""", it's that they objectively sound muffled shit compared to any cheap pair of open headphones
As soon as two intruments stars playing together they become a muffled undistinguishable mess. I wonder what kind of third-worlders would think this is something to recommend.

Headpos law never fails.

>anon discovers that half of the reccs need eq

>>105956399
Everything needs EQ.

>>105956381
You seem to be wearing them wrong. My ER2SE are surgical in nature. Absolutely top tier stellar IEMs.

And I'm sorry if you're some third world brown chinese IEM shill, maybe one day you'll be able to buy a real set. Best of luck on your journey!

>>105956381
your ears are not measurement devices, there's literally nothing objective about being subject to the sound of an IEM, putting its sound through all psychological filters possible and forming an opinion that's uniquely yours

>>105953141 (OP)
I think Celest Wyvern is the near-endgame for me, it's the first iem I've had that's comfortable enough that I can actually forget I have it in my ears. I've tried Gate, T10, 7Hz Zero, Chu II and lots of KZ slop and they all pale in comparison.
Though I guess something with a similar shell but better performance could be an upgrade.

>>105954398
I like mine but the biggest thing I don't like about it is that there isn't no repeat shuffle. I can't tell you how many times I've skipped a song just for it to play it again lol

>crin is now a fucking merchant and has his own brand of iems
Well damn dude found success, huh

>>105955595
Thanks anon. I'll get them on my wishlist.

On another note. I've heard that you can remove the S08's internal dampening foam but I've not found any tutorials about It.
Has any of you tried to do this?
I imagine you need to remove the metal filter, extract the foam with a pair of tweezers and replace the filter with a new one. Am I right?

>>105956576
>a fucking merchant
...le happy merchant?

>>105956381
>objectively
ah ah...
>pair of open headphones
headpos law at work once again

So what's the verdict?

how do I rockbox my hifiwalker V2?

>>105956831
https://www.rockbox.org/wiki/AIGOErosQK

>>105956803
Has it even been released in the first place?

>>105956915
Yes.

>>105956764
>headpos law
no idea what that means but it does sound like a coping mechanism

I have added a second alternative guide at the beginning. While not focused on IEMs, the tips are solid enough and act as a good starting point for those that find the guide too complex.
If there are more EQ guides that start popping up, I will do a separate page similar to the database one, highlighting their strengths and weaknesses.

>>105956803
Mine's arriving in a day or two.

>>105957340
Install the Moondrop app and select the Harman curve preset in the curve editor for instantly better sound.

>>105957369
>harman
>in 2025
get on with the times grandpa

finally got my TRN JAWS in

>>105957705
hello australia

>>105954409

>>105957742
...I dont know why 4chan decided the pic is upside down now. It was fine on my phone and PC. ffffff

>>105955595
>loving my Hifiman EF400
>$500
>"TLDR; this has really glaring phase issues that vary by frequency, to the point of being totally inverted in the treble.

The phase issue is there in L7AudioLab's measurements, so it seems it's not just this one, he gets the exact same result, slightly out at 1kHz but almost 180 degrees out (i.e. totally) by 20khz. It's much worse in NOS mode, but it's still there in OS mode.

Remarkable how so many people have lauded this DAC/amp but so few seem to have noticed this glaring issue. I wonder if it's deliberate, to try produce some sort of "spatialization" effect."
cope
>>105956403
nope

>>105957780
>nope
Deaf.

>>105957786
dipshit mongoloid.

>>105956886
thank you very much

>>105957796
Bro, racism is NOT okay here.

>>105958067
racism is the least of this general's problems, if I had to keep it a buck witchu

Nova + Foam or Moondrop Variations EQd to PEQdB?

>>105958298
Nova because it's cheaper.

>>105958298
Fox IEM + fox target.

>>105958345
you stick dildos up ur ass + ur vatnik family is getting bombed by ukrainian killer drones (lmao)

>>105958345
>>105954253

Your life is not so good if youre simping for an imaginary fox

>>105953215
just choose one that looks the least gay to you. all iems have pros and cons, nitpicking sub-$20 sets is a waste of time. they're fine for the price.

>>105954398
if your budget is $100 max you don't have many options. more models open up if you consider sales prices and $130-$170 range

>>105956149
>7HZ Zero 2 IEM vs QKZ x HBB IEM... which one should I get?
both?
the HBB is more comfy and bassier

>>105958720
Xista?

>>105959047
I ordered the HBB some hours ago, glad I made the right choice. More bass is nice :D Kinda concerned it won't be uncomfortable in my ears for long listening times

do the Gate need eq?

>>105959441
Yes.

>>105959441
can it be improved? yes
is it necessary? not really if you're enjoying it

>>105959441
EQ is only really a need with horribly tuned pos like the EPZs commonly shilled here. With better tuned pos it makes less of a difference but its still free fidelity, so why not use it?

>>105954066
What's the SPL?
>>105956248
Uooooh the old school 2015-style pos... So nostalgic.
>>105956403
There is no reason for a pos which sounds so good to your ear you don't even bother with EQ to exist. I found mine already.

>>105959574
>There is no reason for a pos which sounds so good to your ear you don't even bother with EQ to exist.
Length modes.

>>105958345
>>105954253
Don't listen to the meanie trolls. You are valid. You are important. You are needed.

>>105959583
Yeah so? As if respective compensation is only possible with EQ (its not).

>>105959688
>raping your ears because you can't eq

>>105959583
case-by-case basis thing, it's not because your pos is very little damped and you have a shitty resonant canal that everyone will face the same issue

>>105957780
It's a feature. The soundstage is becoming large in NOS mode. Compared to my dongle dacs this is still a big big step up in sound quality. Managed to buy it second hand for only around 300€.

>>105959583
Not an issue for 3-flange chads.

>>105959699
99.99% of people face this issue and simply don't know any better.

>>105959706
You can do this for free with all-pass filter or convolver.

since im too retarded to eq by hand, what preference target is considered the "best" or at least the least polarizing?

>>105959793

>>105959793
peqdb will shit out a preset that will most likely be better than nothing. Targets are retarded, even harman knew there are clusters of listeners with different preferences and all the new "researches" forgot about that.

>>105959828
hello saar

>>105959811
>doesn't even reach 20Hz
You will never be a real speaker.

>>105959880
unfortunately you need a vst to get the 100% distortion at 20hz of real speakers, so my st target just rolls it off instead

>>105959888
>no sub
GAY

>>105959896
actually its trans like speaker users

>>105959901
Glad we agree that if you have no sub you're gay/trans.

>>105959924
sub? anyways speakers are for transfolx stay away cissies

>>105959695
Why rape? its just finding your individual resonances and physically retuning the pos.
>>105959706
This shit sounds ass just like all hifiman sources even Serenade is mid at best
Also lmao at 300€ used, this pos goes below 200$ new on chink marketplaces

>>105959793
pick a squig.link database with mega5est and your iem
align at 500hz
autoeq from 20hz-6khz
go from there. this is not altering any upper treble frequencies because it's not reliable, individual to your ears, etc.

>>105959954
man maybe eq guide should really be removed, people are posting shit this retarded so its clearly not working

>>105959929
*transfox

>>105959963
post dildo collection

>>105959962
Hof too since everyone just buys garbage anyway.

>>105959971
He's not gonna date you sis.

>>105959983
lol says the nigga white knighting for him

>>105959985
Don't be jealous of the BBC.

>>105959999
wasted quads

>>105959999
Black kings, I kneel.

foxes were built for BBC

>>105960036
TRPs (tiny russian peckers) on suicide watch

>>105960036
Big black cube? >>105959963

How do I make my own target?

can you help me found a IEM to hear lower ou ds and bass pretty well because I like the feeling in my heart when I hear lower sounds, please
>Budget
50 bucks and under
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
listen to music
>Frequency response preference and music examples
I want to hear well the bass, it calms me
song example: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GJm7H9IP5SU
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
zero:2, you can hear the bass but I want to hear it more

>>105960256
Take empty grid from squig, draw a line on it, convert to csv with webplotdigitizer.

>>105960256
https://listener800.github.io/eqplayground
tweak a DF or a flat line and then click on the download button to get the file (you gotta click twice on ~ icon to get the raw graph)

>>105960256
buy a bunch of pos, eq by ear, measure results and average all of them

Audio is still in the stone age.

>>105960256
https://peqdb.com/

>>105960271
Just eq more bass and save yourself $50 since you already have the zero2

I know its >blueshit, but you guys made it sound like these things would be sort of okay. It's a good thing I only bought these shits for listening to low-bitrate audiobooks, they're practically skullcandy-tier.

We need to put JadeAudio JIEZI (10-BAND PEQ) $20 on OP
That's a fight worth fighting against the fiio haterzo !

>>105960630
sorry Im not an expert but what a 'eq' means?

>>105960597
this shit imposes peqdb target with small adjustments to it that's my main gripe with it

>>105959962
EQ guide is dogshit, how many times does it have to be said?

>>105960633
Yeah I bought the original Space Travel and felt the same way.
Only reason it gets shilled here is because the pahjeets that browse this thread can't spend more than $30 on audio equipment.

>>105960703
Equalizer.
If you're on android and most of your music is on your phone. You can use poweramp. It has a very simple bass boost that could get you what you need without delving too deep into eq. But it will be there if you ever want to take the dive.

>>105960801
ok I see, thank you very much

>>105960633
they give you 5-band PEQ, so skill issue

Why is this newfag so butthurt from EQ again?

>>105960915
>whining about newfags
sorry foxbum but everybody here has been here for years if not decades, there are no newfags there are never any newfags because nobody wants to buy retarded eardildos except us

>>105960849
>Just EQ the clipping away, bro
Retarded, or just deaf and coping poorfag?

>>105960941
Except that one newfag that gets obsessed with every new piece of information about foxzo that we drip feed him. And don't start with that "we" bullshit, you knew nothing 2 weeks ago. I can even pinpoint the exact post that mindbroke you.

>>105960963
you suck at telling posters apart

>>105960966
Said the guy that confused sheetzo with foxzo lmao.

>>105960980
i don't even know who you're talking about, meds now schizo

>>105960961
>clipping a tws
either a deaf playing 0dbfs or you can't even set a codec right, but since ur retarded probably both

>>105960988
Remember that time you tried to shill an IEM you've never heard, anon got it and measured it, it turned out to be shit and you went on a 20+ post schizo meltdown claiming it's foxzo trying to smear your IEM? Man, that was embarrassing.

>>105960997
no I don't remember because that wasn't me, meds now idiot

>>105961001
Sure buddy. Now post something about drones, get banned and we'll see which posts disappear.

>>105961009
>he thinks I'm also the drone guy
you are so retarded lol

>>105960633
they are more than okay, even without any eq, and with it, they are better than most $200 bt headphones

>>105960995
Below 50% volume and it happens with both AAC and SBC. And I don't care if there's some magical setting in their chink shitware app to make it not sound like ass, I won't be installing it.

>>105961027
>>105934446

>>105960961
>clipping
upgrade your android phone from 2015, poorfag

>>105961043
>literally the post right after is another anon shitting on foxbum
yeah ok dude, meds

>>105961059
>1 anon gets unbanned
>another anon immediately joins
Crazy, crazy self report.

>>105961068
who got unbanned? i can't even keep track of who you think i am at this point, im actually every anon who posts in these threads except you

>>105961079
You got unbanned and immediately started melting down
>>105933163
>>105934409
>>105934420
>>105934422

>>105961052
It's a Pixel 8. If these earbuds don't work with a less than two year old non-chinkshit device, they're worthless, broken by design chinkshit ewaste.

>>105961037
>even without any eq, and with it, they are better than most $200 bt headphones
Absolutely clueless take from a retarded poorfag.

>>105961091
literally none of those posts are me, insane

>>105961105
I own 2 pairs of sennheiser bts and they both sound subpar compared to st2

>>105961106
Meds.

>>105961136
That checks out, shitheiser earbuds are notoriously bad.

>>105961042
the app is the best part retard, if you don't eq you don't belong here

>>105961142
why are you so upset at me I didn't do shit

>>105961136
>"they are better than most $200 bt headphones"
>sample size of "most" $200 bt headphones: 2

>>105961155
I have it EQed without the chink shitware, retard. It obviously doesn't fix the clipping.

>>105961158
Because you should read the EQ guide.

>>105961197
nobody reads that shit

>>105961168
name one $200 bt that will sound considerably better than ST1
you can't because it's all bluetooth, and it will never sound better than even a $20 wired iem

>>105961209
you have no idea what you're talking about

There is barely any difference between a $50 and a $500 set. I thought he had it figured out already.

Techs

>>105961238
You have never listened to a $500 set.

>>105961238
Actually we figured out there's a huge difference but not in a good way. All BA pos does this.

>>105961209
The OnePlus earbuds I had before these sounded much better. They were muddy as fuck before EQ but that was easy enough to fix and I never had to deal with clipping.

>>105961243
it was $800, you're suffering from the placebo effect

>>105961209
Genuinely almost any of them. Space Travel is trash.

>>105961259
you didn't figure out shit sharturcel

>>105961270
>he missed iemg's compression measurments
Newfagzo...

>>105961276
exactly it was iemg, not shartur
kys pajeet

>>105961276
can you tell us what a compression measurement is?

>>105961215
you're listening to a compressed digital audio signal, it doesn't matter how good your hardware is

>>105961307
Debunked by listening to qudelix on basically any codec. Twshit is limited by the amp.

>>105961324
enjoy your delay and 2 hours of battery life
and even then it still only sounds as good as a 320kbps mp3

>>105961178
With these ST2s I think there's something wrong in the firmware, or maybe with the BT chip. There's very noticeable artifacting even at low volume levels. I don't have a way to measure it, but it's probably less than 40 dB.

>>105961324
With these ST2s I think there's something wrong in the firmware, or maybe with the BT chip. There's very noticeable artifacting even at low volume levels. I don't have a way to measure it, but it's probably less than 40 dB.

>>105961419
Try to see if others report that issue. Early adopters get fucked as usual.

>>105961419
Actually if you still can just return that garbage.

>>105961405
embarassing

in-ear melty general

>>105961449
I'm thinking about it, but as I said I mostly bought them for listening to audiobooks where the clipping isn't really noticeable, and at this point I'm a bit leery about spending even more money on something that might end up being just as shit. And since everyone who recommends the Space Travel is clearly a deaf retard, there's no point in looking at reviews.

>>105961556
Nigga I have $10 tws without clipping. This is not normal.

>>105961571
Half the deaf retards in this general will insist that the ST2 doesn't clip.

>>105961666
ST2 just came out, nobody has it.

>>105961695
Oh wait, found one.

>>105961695
if it just came out, someone has it. jackass

>>105961666
have you tried it on another device, or going to developer settings and changing the sample rate to 44100 or 48000? you're the only one complaining about it so far

Are your iems appraised by european engineers?

>>105961804
>she

>>105961804
>bluekaka

>>105961743
44100 Hz and 16 bits/sample are the only options.

>>105961804
fuck europe

>>105961966
You will never eat real KFC ivan

bumzo where is the dildo collection

>>105962207
worked there when I was younger. but ok.

>>105960633
>literally every squig shows very decent jm-1 tuning
>it's bad trust me!
yeah right

>>105962607
jm1 is the new troon target of course its bad

>>105960633
Xiaomi buds 3t pro and hyalou w1 are the only good TWS, then comes more expensive shit like sony XM4 or Samsungs.

you need more?

>>105962607
Frequency response is literally the only measurement of an audio transducer that's completely irrelevant, I have no idea why you guys fellate FR charts so much.

>>105962676
add 10 dB at 500 Hz and tell me how irrelevant it is lmao

>>105962676

>>105962618
your ass is bad retard

>>105962684
The fact that you can trivially add or remove power to arbitrary frequencies is the proof that it's irrelevant. Everything needs EQ anyway and after EQ everything will have more or less the same FR, the differences are elsewhere.

>>105962685
Imagine being so low IQ that you not only can't understand why FR doesn't matter, you can't even come up with an argument for why it might matter.

>>105962676
>trying to defend piss poor pos or pretending “technicalities” outweigh tonality.
reality shows the opposite. the entire pos industry is built around fr.
pos with perfect distortion but a 5dB treble spike will sound like ass to most people,
but one with a smooth fr and mediocre thd can still sound good. you're coping or just full of shit.

>>105962719
The treble spike can be EQed, the distortion can't.

>>105962714
space travels are great then

>>105962714
>can't even come up with an argument for why it might matter.
bitch you can’t even describe ‘warm,’ ‘bright,’ or ‘neutral’ without it. every single target: fr. every eq adjustment: fr
but yeah, tell me more about YOUR arguments for why it doesn't matter before trying to force people into your bullshit

>>105962676
it's literally the only measurement that tells you how the pos sounds dumb sack of shit

>>105962676

>>105962741
Maybe, I haven't heard them. Space Travel 2 is garbage and FR has nothing to do with it.

>>105962745
You still can't wrap your mind around the idea that being able to fix poor tuning with EQ means that the manufacturer's tuning doesn't matter, only your own. Sometimes I wish I was an 80 IQ NPC like you, it seems like life would be so much simpler.

>>105962757
It's literally the only one you can change 50 times a day on a whim.

>>105962846
>Space Travel 2 is garbage and FR has nothing to do with it.
so what's wrong with them? shit's like what? $25? it's basically free I doubt you can buy a better a tws for $25-30

>>105962874
Scroll up, it's been discussed in detail.

>>105962846
>tuning doesn’t matter because I can fix it
the usual cope. most people don’t want to eq every track. you can’t eq away bad driver behavior and if fr doesn’t matter, then why bother eqing in the first place? what are you eqing toward?

She's here!

>>105962846
>you can change fr at will so it’s meaningless.
the ability to change something doesn’t make it irrelevant. literally the reason people care about fr is because it defines the baseline sound before any tweaks. you don’t change distortion curves 50 times a day. you don’t eq decay or driver speed.
fr is the only thing you can actually control, which is why an important measurement.
the fact that you can adjust it is exactly why it matters, not why it doesn’t

how to fix tech imbalance?

>>105962933
could you be more specific?

>>105962950
im hearing a slightly more extended imaging on my left side, and i think i can hear more details and snappier transients in the right side
tried both stereo and mono and its the same, even with the imaging thing. feels like the reflections and reverberations go on wider in the left

my MOODNROP Robins came in and I love them, but they dont seem to be discovered by my phones bluetooth but my pc finds them easily. Any reason why? I did get the app but even that doesnt recognize them or find them

>>105962891
>the usual cope. most people don’t want to eq every track.
Then don't. Manufacturer tuning is not more generalizable than EQ. Once you've developed EQ settings that you're happy with, there's no reason to change them until you change your hardware.
>you can’t eq away bad driver behavior
That's why "bad driver behavior" is important and FR is not.
>and if fr doesn’t matter, then why bother eqing in the first place? what are you eqing toward?
Having been exposed as a retard, he now tries to larp as a hopeless pedant. Obviously having preferences matters, and it's possible to chart those preferences on an EQed system. It's even possible to use an FR chart to develop your EQ settings and there's nothing wrong with that. But whether the FR of a set of IEMs from the manufacturer is whatever the current meme tuning is, or Harman, or completely flat, or inverted Harman, or completely random squiggles is irrelevant, they'll all get EQed to the same FR.

>>105962925
>you don’t change distortion curves 50 times a day. you don’t eq decay or driver speed.
>fr is the only thing you can actually control, which is why an important measurement.
You can't change distortion or driver speed ever, which is why those things are important to choosing your hardware and FR isn't. If you don't like the FR, you can fix it in ten seconds for free. If you don't like the distortion, you're either buying new hardware or living with garbage you don't enjoy listening to.

>>105963079
>driver speed
literally just fr
>distortion
show me one pos with meaningful distortion

>>105963101
>missing the point
I didn't bring those things up, I'm just using the examples he gave. Also driver speed is not FR but I don't feel like explaining it right now. Ask chatgpt or something.

>>105963135
it quite literally is, just increase high frequency amplitude and it'll be faster

>>105963153
When people talk about driver speed, they're referring to inertia, not velocity.

>>105962905
>loose clothes
Meanwhile, Asano:

>>105963159
also dictated by fr, doesn't matter what word or term you use
the movement of the driver is entirely determined by fr. two iems with the same fr (and similarly low distortion) will move the same way and respond to an input signal the same way

>>105963219
That's incorrect, but I've already gone further down this line of discussion than I intended.

>>105963235
how so, show any supporting evidence or measurements that highlights driver speed or inertia
it's not like driver inertia isn't real, but it all ends up in fr anyways

inertia of an IEM driver lmao
some of you really are retarded as fuck

>>105963235
you don't want to discuss it because you know nothing about shit you are talking about retard
don't think you are slick lol it's obvious you are fucking stupid

>>105963079
you're arguing thjat,
>manufacturer fr doesn’t matter because eq can fix it.
>driver performance matters more.
>preferences still exist, but fr is irrelevant because you can eq anything to match
the contradiction is that you still admit fr is the basis for eq, so it clearly matters, but then you say it’s irrelevant..
if fr didn’t matter, you wouldn’t need to touch eq. the only reason you eq is to hit a target fr. doesn't that make fr the foundation?
your entire argument is just "I don't care about stock tuning because I use eq". how is fr irrelevant if you're willing to fix it yourself?

>>105963101
>says FR is irrelevant but uses fr as the basis for every eq
>can’t name a single ‘technicality’ measurement that tells you how it actually sounds.
schizo cope

>>105963219
>“it’s just FR”
fr only shows what frequencies are present, not how the driver gets there.
two pos can measure the same fr curve but have completely different impulse/step responses because of damping,
diaphragm material, or motor design.
one can settle cleanly, the other can ring out and fr won’t show that.
fr never told the whole story.
>driver motion is 100% fr
yea, sure, every dd and bs with the same squig behaves identically. keep coping.

>>105963279
back your shit claims

>>105963355
nope
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/myths-misconceptions/#transients-speed--responsiveness
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/105156241/#q105166732

>>105963376
even if 90% of “speed” perception is fr, not all of it is and fr still doesn’t explain why two pos with identical squigs can present notes differently

>>105963391
you have never heard the same two frs at your eardrums, and you have not removed any of the perceptual biases that come from fit, price, expectations, color, mood, etc
decades of electroacoustic and psychoacoustic research shows that fr is by far the most important aspect in terms of acoustic response when it comes to preference. the burden of proof is on you if you claim the opposite, and no, uncontrolled subjective impressions do not count.

>>105963367
after you show me calculations for driver's inertia lmao
retard

>>105963391
of course it does explain that you dumb baboon
stop saying dumb shit

>>105963391
>with identical squigs
my nigga... have you ever seen insertion depth graphs? having a single graph mentality in 2025 is embarrassing

>>105963438
>10 khz length mode
>10 khz driver resonance
that combination is beyond fucked lol, the peak just keeps getting bigger and bigger

>>105963355
>two pos can measure the same fr curve but have completely different impulse/step responses because of damping, diaphragm material, or motor design
bro you are so fucking stupid lol

>>105963411
In that case, why would anyone ever buy any pos over $0.85? Just buy the cheapest knockoff 1st gen iPod earbuds and then EQ them to perfectly fit your preference curve.

>>105962676
melty tsunami caused by this post

>>105963495
it's about time that you realize that price does not rely on performance, or rnd expenditures, or manufacturing costs, or any of the marketing fluff you've been fed
it's plain and simple, companies decide what the price of a product will be based on demand.
i don't think you'll be convinced, because based on my 3 decades of being in this shitty audio hobby, this question pops up every other day, so i'll leave you with post that describes what i just said with much more elegance
https://www.reddit.com/r/oratory1990/comments/gbdi7v/comment/g9qselk/

Budget IEM with best driver?

>>105963532
Okay, now post your $0.85 knockoff iPod earbuds.

"she does it all!"

>>105963544
Doesn't matter, all drivers are the same after you EQ them (they're not, but that's what we're pretending).

>>105963546
a bit too expensive for my taste

>>105963495
>In that case, why would anyone ever buy any pos over $0.85
why won't people only do good things and won't do bad things? Are you 12? stop asking dumb fucking shit

>>105963544
let's see how many (You)s i can get
>vido blue
>bido white
>edc pro
>gate
>bunny
>er2xr
>er4s
>magicone
>chu 2
>shure clone
>origin
>q1 pro
>g10

>FR is all that matters!
>Just ignore how two pos with same graph sound completely different!
>Also ignore how you can't EQ one pos to another!

>>105963495
he thinks you're making his argument for him lol

>still thinking fr == graph
>in 2025
woah

>>105963583
lol and there he goes back to being retarded

>>105963572
Copout answer. Even in your link, the guy says this:
>If you can hear it then you can measure it (*).
>Note: That doesn't necessarily mean that I know how to measure it.
I haven't once denied the first, and since he knows how to measure FR, the second means that not everything you can hear appears in the FR graph specifically.

>>105963438
the point is matching squigs don’t always equal identical presentation, even when insertion depth is accounted for. you're missing the forest for the trees. somehow any two drivers with the same squig magically sound identical, it's so gross, the cope.

>>105963609
nta but there's more than one person shitting on you rn

>>105963612
You literally need to start with basics.
>the second means that not everything you can hear appears in the FR graph specifically.
Why would ANYTHING you hear would appear in the FR graph?

why would anyone take you seriously jfc...

>>105963612
i don't blame you for not understanding his nuance since you're not involved in the more science--oriented spheres, but he's talking here about how it is not possible for him to measure how the headphone will behave on that person's head.

>>105963617
>even when insertion depth is accounted for
how do you know it is
>somehow any two drivers with the same squig magically sound identical, it's so gross, the cope.
prove they aren't
you do know that people literally did that and they do sound mostly the same... like
literally
it's been done

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg58a0ArWO8&t
Bottom text.

>>105963624
I'm not even in this conversation but it's highly doubtful.

>>105963642
He's autistic and deaf. His opinion doesn't count. Ever.

>>105963617
>FR is the god measurement that includes all possible variations between drivers
>But the measured FR is not the same FR that you hear and the real FR can change in unpredictable ways between one driver and another and even between one listening session and another
So why do you think that the measured FR means anything at all?

>>105963655
>t. asian monkey

>>105963630
you don't understand.. YOU NEED TO PAY MORE.
It is a fact that more money = better sound quality. IT's been established here in this very thread by one delusional deaf retard

show me on a graph what makes the perfect pos I'll wait pro tip you won't

>>105963635
If the thing he's measuring is some arbitrary abstraction that doesn't predict what people actually hear, in what sense is he actually measuring anything?

>>105963657
you fucking brainlet.
how do you not get it??? driver has fuck all to do with difference between measured FR and FR at the eardrum

>>105963670
No, you've got it backwards. We've established that all headphones sound exactly the same because you can just EQ them.

>>105963671
logic dictates that the best we can get is jm-1 tuned IEM as a basis to further EQ to preference.
you literally will not get better than that.

>>105963693
and what logic would that be?

>>105963692
that was actually established by scientific method

>>105963639
you don't seem to care how most people actually listen. your lab conditions don't translate to people's blaring niggerbass and whatever mushed layering of instruments, or separation, however people really like to enjoy our shit, is to have you shut the fuck up first and understand not everybody likes niggerbass. and not everybody wants to fry a synapse every time they want to relax and enjoy their shit.

>>105963685
You can't know that because you have no way of quantifying the difference between the FR on the test rig and the FR on your ear.

Where them techs at

>>105963693
>jm1
ok troon

>>105963642
>hbb
no hate to this guy, but he doesn't know what he's talking about
in fact i would blame him for being responsible for the whole driver quality meme
>>105963657
again, you need a lot of nuance
variance in in-situ fr is high only at high frequencies (for the most part), while everything below 1 khz is usually accurate enough to people
of course there's then the whole issue of different ranges of fr affecting one another
>>105963671
because it changes based on the person's literal anatomy
that's part of the reason why most anons don't bother sharing their eq presets
>>105963684
again, nuance. someone hearing something can be related to psychological biases (hard to measure) and individual variance based differences (hard to measure)
his whole work is based on research that shows that when you account for these aspects (to a certain degree) there is still a high correlation in preference between people
>>105963692
no, sound itself is actually ranked in fourth place when people judge what products they like
there are also other differences (isolation, fit) that most likely change how sound is perceived
>>105963710
research shows that you most likely can, the differences between rig and in-situ measurements are starting to slowly be pinned down

>>105963697
everybody's ears are different and it's impossible to fit them all. so standardized population average based target is the best basis we can get.
research showed that people prefer some standardized target over dumb bullshit

>>105963714
>that's part of the reason why most anons don't bother sharing their eq presets
actually the reason is because they don't eq

>>105963693
Why not EQ Harman tuned headphones to your preference?

>>105963657
it's always a good question to ask. let's assume you are very familiar with your music library and certain bass tracks you like to use to test sets. fr curve just shows you what to expect in relation to what you already know a song sounds like. especially ones you enjoy. you know how that bass hits in your favorite tracks and you know what sets suck replaying it and which of your sets replay that bass well.

>>105963710
Are you retarded? You don't need to quantify that in the first place. Unless you think sounds is propagated via some additional magic means other than soundwaves

>>105963716
>so standardized population average based target is the best basis we can get
>research showed that people prefer some standardized target over dumb bullshit
nigger cattle opinion don't matter in fact if we went by population average then average nigger cattle music, which is aboslutely dogshit mind you, would be best so going by some standard only muddies the waters further and forces manufactures to adhere to the samey sounding tuning which 90% is shit

>>105963721
harman IE target is a preference target. Using it as a base target is kinda weird
it's already colored compared to a neutral jm-1 target.
you obviously still can do that if you want

>>105963657
>So why do you think that the measured FR means anything at all?
we literally know what "measured FR" means. this hobby didn't emerge yesterday

>>105963738
>samey sounding tuning which 90% is shit
best cope I've seen. there's been so many variants of tunings in the past few years, how could you possibly be salty. you have a pos you own and enjoy, right? what the fuck are you even mad about?

>>105963745
jm1 is literally based on some tranny's fanfic, shartman despite being gay as fuck at least has some research behind it

>>105963721
Shartman target is only meant for the elderly nearing deafness and in need of a shouty af tuning. That jew ruined the entire industry same way pajeet man ITT is trying to do that now by forcing his own dogshit target.

>>105963745
>>105963770
All targets that aren't your own are equally arbitrary, it doesn't matter what, if any, target the headphones were tuned for after you EQ them.

why are you fags so scared to rank some targets and eq presets

>>105963784
no one is scared of anything you just smell like shit pajeet

>>105963738
who's talking about opinions lol

Projection.

>>105963759
why are you seething? jm-1 is based on 5128 measurement combined with population average DF. usually it's combined with preference bounds from harman research
that's literally it
>>105963780
I wouldn't call jm-1 arbitrary. Rnd in this industry is shit and personalized audio is literally nowhere to be seen. So it's the best you can get.

>>105963807
>a bunch of random shit mixed together
like i said tranny fanfic

>>105963784
there's literally no point in doing it

>>105963811
>let's ignore hundred years of research
well I guess you do you fag

>>105963818
FR is meaningless.

>>105963770
you are saying so much dumb shit lol show your target then

>>105963822
one tranny's fanfic is not a hundred years of research, its not research at all

>>105963823
posting on 4chin is meaningless

are you an audio engineer with a stacked career? no? okay then

>>105963839
chuzo is

Is there a reason why we're choosing to ignore the fact that with enough wasted time and effort, it's possible to EQ a set of headphones with 10% THD+N to show the same FR as one with 0.01%?
>Yes, literally 10% of what you're hearing is random noise, but we were able to game it into accurately reproducing a specific arrangement of tones for the test so it's actually perfect

>>105963855
THD is irrelevant
>headphones
irrelevant

>>105963839
what kind of questions is that? are you?

You are brown.

>>105963839
we've seen what kind of EQ tips professional audio engineers give so I think being one is irrelevant to the subject matter

>>105963874
there are mixing engineers, mastering engineers, etc.

>>105963830
show your target, coward

>>105963860
>THD is irrelevant
Elaborate on this.

>>105963807
Why do you need a bunch of population averages to tell you what you enjoy? Even if you're going to use it as a starting point to develop an EQ for your own preference, there's no reason why you can't EQ a Harman tuned pos to JM-1 and go from there.

pussy

>>105963899

>>105963895
ok?
if audio engineers are so good why won't they make their own super good headphones/IEMs? huh? HUUUH?

>>105963874
>EQ tips professional audio engineers give
Such as?.

>>105963895
Which are the ones that aren't deaf?

>>105963914
they already reached audio nirvana with speakers why bother with inferior shit

>>105963903
>Elaborate on this.
What's there to elaborate on? Most good POS has very low distortion. If POS has a hilariously bad distortion it will be exposed immediately.
It wasn't relevant for IEMs for fucking years.
If you want crazy low distortion you literally can just choose 1 pos from gojillions available with distortion measurements also available.
IRRELEVANT

>>105963938
What makes for a good driver then if nothing's meaningless

>>105963947
>>105963947
>>105963947

>>105963938
Okay, so what you're saying is that:
>Distortion is actually more important than tuning
>Distortion doesn't show up on an FR graph
BUT:
>You don't have to worry about it because nearly all IEMs have exceedingly low distortion
Since you're implicitly accepting that there exists at least one important measurement that isn't reflected in FR measurements, why are you resistant to the idea that there might be others?

>>105963903
>no reason why you can't EQ a Harman tuned pos to JM-1 and go from there.
that's still doing too much. gets in the way of actually using the pos the way they were intended to be used.

>>105963903
>Why do you need a bunch of population averages to tell you what you enjoy?
the fuck does it even mean
>Even if you're going to use it as a starting point to develop an EQ for your own preference, there's no reason why you can't EQ a Harman tuned pos to JM-1 and go from there.
I personally agree with people who thinks that harman IE 2019 is too thin in mids and too shouty at treble.
I dunno how the fuck you can think otherwise if you have ears. It graphs exactly like that too.
There are actually good reasons to not fuck with targets additionally. Obviously you can start doing it. But if your POS is neutral by default it's much easier to add bass/treble to it to preference instead of trying to unfuck whatever harman IE 2019 is.
Again you can do that but I dunno why would you recommend doing it instead of using JM-1 target
Or you can not do any of that and just make harman 2019 or SG (jm-1 with 2018 harman filters) tuned pos and be fine

>>105963971
>Literally taking 2 seconds to auto EQ is too much effort
You deserve whatever awful tuning by committee slop you get.

>>105963971
>the way they were intended to be used
lol get fucked

>>105963911
give me a good name for that one

>>105963914
it's really not a bad question. they test their mixes on more than just one or two sets of reference speakers. the point is to make sure whatever mix they're working on sounds fine across the board, a car, tv, all the different headphones that exist. it's still up to the driver(s) to accurately replay what was intended in the mix and that's the gratifying part of using our gear. fuck. their job is the audio being crafted, not what damn speakers or headphones they think they can make that should be badass. that's a different mentality entirely. beats by dre is an anomaly because nigger rap shit is the easiest to market, plus, apple.

>>105963925
they're the ones putting their ears to work the most, my guy. more so than the producer and recording artist.

>>105963993
>the fuck does it even mean
Your preference is not JM-1 the same way it's not Harman. JM-1 might be closer to your preference, but you are an individual and not the average of thousands of listeners.

>I personally agree with people who thinks that harman IE 2019 is too thin in mids and too shouty at treble.
>I dunno how the fuck you can think otherwise if you have ears. It graphs exactly like that too
Try reading the post you're replying to. I never recommended listening to Harman slop. What I said is that there's no benefit to buying an IEM that approximates the JM-1 curve vs one that approximates the Harman 2019 curve since both will ultimately be EQed to your own preference in the end.

>>105963488
>he never actually looked at the impulse
Lol >>105963376