Are you willing to sacrifice water to achieve AGI?

>>105953741 (OP)
Can we have a source that isn't from twitter's anus?

i fail to see how a computer needs to use water. if it is for cooling then it just would run in a loop, and that 500k could actually be a few thousand kept in constant circulation.

>>105953741 (OP)
SOON

>>105953761
That's a New York Times article.

>>105953741 (OP)
I will sacrifice all lives I can get my hands on to achieve higher profits.

>>105953763
Water used for cooling datacenters apparently fucks up watersheds. While, assuredly, the injection of heat is a problem I do wonder why it is considered that the water vanishes when it goes into the heat exchanger.

>ignores that same water is cooling his bluesky post
>ignores farmers growing almonds to ship overseas

>almonds use between 4.7 to 5.5 million acre-feet of water per year, depending on water availability and bearing acreage. As cited, California’s total agricultural demand for developed water is 34 MAF – so almonds account for between 14.4% to 16.75% of the state’s agricultural developed water consumption.

>>105953741 (OP)
>everything for the Corpos
so the future is gay+Cyberpunk nightmare, great
Johnny silverhand and Luigi were right

>>105953741 (OP)
Water is not a human right.

>>105953830
Its almost like the people freaking out over AI have something to lose from it gaining traction. Meanwhile the same people cheered on outsourcing and are fine with california strong-arming its neighbors into giving up their water.
really makes you think

>>105953741 (OP)
Technological progress has become detrimental to the species and our quality of life. AI needs to be banned and tech CEOs executed.

>>105953741 (OP)
>more lies and horseshit

>>105953858
These people don't give a shit about corpos using AI. They only want to stop little people from using it. Because it's about control and nothing else

>>105953830
>ignores that same water is cooling his bluesky post
Yes, because serving a text-based social media is exactly the same as having millions of GPU's at max capacity 24/7

>>105953877
>Water is not a human right
Pretty sure it fucking is cunt

>>105953877
Fuck off peter

>>105953741 (OP)
Faggot conservatives will defend this shit

>earth is 75% water
>billion to trillion dollar industry cannot fork out money for a system that uses seawater instead
It's really unacceptable when you think of it

>>105953741 (OP)
They couldn't ask Meta AI where to get some water?

>>105953741 (OP)
Why is there a fuss over this? How is this different from any other industry or human activity that "consumes" water? It seems like a silly angle to attack AI from.

>>105954175
>liberals do something
>"this is all the conservatives fault"
Usa moment

>>105954228
It is a ridiculous way to waste water? How does this benefit anyone in the long run?

>>105953741 (OP)
gay faggot thread
the fuckass huge data center going up in texas is completely closed loop

>>105954236
kys slav

>AI and jeet slop coding gets so bad datacenters need a literal Ocean of water to keep it from overheating
Lel

>>105953830
everybody need to switch to oat milk so we dont have to hear this fagass fact anymore or drink more almonds accelerate

>>105953741 (OP)
>AGI
sorry best I can do is diminishing returns on synthetic benchmark scores.

>>105954312
>500,000 gallons of water
>1.9 million liters (~ kg)
>vaporization heat of water = 2.6 MJ / kg (if they're using evaporation coolers)
>4.94 TJ per 24h = 57 MW
a nothinburger

>>105953771
ROBOT SEX
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>>105953830
almonds provide something of value (even though growing it in california is stupid)
AI, as far as we know, still has to provide anything of use yet.

>>105954130
>thinks the servers aren't being cooled regardless
>think they do 1 text based post each and cooling kicks in 1min a day
>thinks water evaporates instantly

>>105953858
>Cyberpunk nightmare
But without the cool aesthetics

>>105954341
>20% of water usage for state
>70% exported
>they are great value!

Just use oceanic salt water

>>105953741 (OP)
Why can my engine run on a closed cooling cycle but a datacenter can not?

>muh drumpf muh china muh russia muh tarrifs muh ai muh illegals muh epstein muh musk muh current thing
>nobody cares about muh global warming anymore
guess we'll find out first hand if it's as bad as they're saying.

>>105953741 (OP)

>>105954378
Because an engine can work hotter.
And a closed cooling cycle is way easier to use, think in the usual normie driver that complains about refiling the coolant.
An open cooling cycle is more efficient per weight for a car, the radiator accounts for like +10% of fuel consumption at highway speed.

Beautfiul to see the current state of burgerland like this. I hope the rich own every inch of that shit hole and let the middle and lower class starve kek.

>>105953741 (OP)
>sacrifice water
The water is not scarified, the water still exists. It doesn't get used like fuel does. Stop repeating illiterate nonsense.

>>105953763
>if it is for cooling then it just would run in a loop
It's much more efficient to release water once it has heated up a sufficient amount and then just take more colder water in.
Of course, once the water has been used for cooling it isn't suitable to go into the water supply, so they're essentially taking from water that would be going to the water supply.

>>105954379
Comfy. Can't wait to take my little motorboat to go explore the submerged ruins of once great cities.

>>105953830
>this other sector uses a lot of water so it shouldn't be a problem if we massively increase our water usage too!

>>105954414
>put datacenter in Norway
>heat homes with AI slop waste heat
>people stop being depressive and kill themself
>rinse and repeat

>>105953741 (OP)
"AGI" wont be a thing, so no

98% of the earth is water. Why is everyone so dumb.

>>105953763
its free hot water for everyone, win-win

>>105954436
>It doesn't get used like fuel does

Drinkable water does, wouldn't reccomend drinking salt water

>>105954471
just heat it up and condense it

>>105954436
>The water is not scarified, the water still exists.
That's true, but if you take water that's going to be feeding the water supply, and then release it so it won't be feeding the water supply, it's going to take time to come back around in the water cycle.
It's increasing the burden on the water supply in an area. You can't just pump water out of the ground indefinitely, even if it does come back.

>>105954459
yeah they typically build them in the cold climate, but zuck doesnt care that he needs to play 10x for cooling

>>105954468
They don't let it get that hot.
It's already unsuitable for using in the cooling loop once it reaches like 30-35C.

>>105954474
More and more energy usage.

>>105954495
youd make a parabolic mirror and heat up with the sun or something. Does this ai even need fresh water?

>>105954497
>Does this ai even need fresh water?
Technically no, but the more shit in the water the worse it is for the plumbing and cooling loops.

>>105954502
yes i get its corrosive but just use a different material for the pipes.

>>105953741 (OP)
stop putting datacenters in populated areads
poblem solved

>>105954512
>stop putting datacenters in populated areas, where all the water storages are
Pajeet moment

>>105954506
i just got a tesla moment.
you use wind turbines to make an hho generator. You get hydrogen, fresh water and sea salt all at once.

>>105954457
>thinks data centers even measure in water usage for the state

>>105954523
Saar jeet water is literally in every river.

>>105954441
Do they use purified drinking water? I get you dont want shit water but something in between. Can't they just build them next to a river or force them to process the water after use.

>>105953822
Guess it depends on if they're returning the heated water from the exchange back into whatever source it pulled from or if they're using evaporation towers, which would carry the water away to a different area.

>>105954459
They are building a lot of them here in the Netherlands since we are a river delta and we have the Amsterdam NA internet pipeline.

>>105954579
>or force them to process the water after use.
Are you suggesting imposing regulations on data centers?

Who gives a fuck ? There won't be humans on earth in 100 years, only non-whites.

>>105953741 (OP)
You know the water doesn't just disappear into the nether right?

>>105954615
The future is slavic, white boy

What's wrong with shit water? It's what the largest nuclear plant in the US uses for cooling. Sewer water is pumped in from Phoenix and used to cool the plant.
>Palo Verde generates the most electricity of any power plant in the United States per year, and is the largest power plant by net generation as of 2021. The Palo Verde Generating Station, lying in the Northeastern Sonoran Desert, is the only large nuclear power plant in the world that is not near a large body of water. The power plant cools and condenses the steam that it produces by using treated sewage water from several nearby cities and towns.

>>105953830
i like almonds tho

>>105953741 (OP)
Yeeeessssss, mooorrrreeee waaateeeeer! AGI soon, fellow human!

>>105953741 (OP)
>NOOOO le data center will eat da water!!!!
I never understood this, do these people think the water vanishes into thin air when used for cooling?
Or when you drink it? Or running tap water "too long"?

>>105953830
the difference between using and wasting a resource is philosophical
it's similar to crypto antis, you can infer a lot about somebody's beliefs based on what they decide is a waste of [water, power, etc.]

>>105953773
>communist times

>>105954382
this, i dont know why we allow it business go full retard.
AI is retarded, but not using a close loop refrigeration is just going full retard
>>105954441
this is false, is not more efficient, the less temp differential the better as you get less entropy, it just saves money

This is a solved problem?? Power stations use lakes, and separated cooling loops. Potable, drinking water is not required.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooling_pond

>>105953741 (OP)
It's a drop in the ocean of human water use.

>>105953830
Bluesky has so few users and doesn't support livestreaming so it is probably as demanding as 4chan. Meaning it should be able to run on a couple of macbooks. A negligible use of electricity and possibly zero usage of water.

>>105953877
There is no planet B

>>105953741 (OP)
My town is now running out of groundwater, the swamps marshes and streams have dried up, and growing crops is impossible because one company bought up all the land and it became a "booming real estate market" anf start pathologically developing copy&paste rental houses everywhere and was stupid enough to not only suck it out of the ground but to pull an Aral sea and block off the main water source from the south from the neighboring town. Fucking tired of corporations ruining the environment while punishing us for a gallon a day for everything and using a few dozen watts.

>>105955027
Many places rely on limited groundwater reserves for industrial uses or drinking water. Hundreds of millions of people live in places where rainfall doesn't meet demand.

>>105955027
t. gayservative

>>105955265
>>105955277
Sorry sweetie, I dont live in an africa tier country where fucking water is scarce. Stop living in shit places I guess.

>>105955292
Try living in some slavic shithole to see in what dirty and ugly environments humans can live

>>105955292
>I dont live in an africa tier country where fucking water is scarce
With the increase in industry using water supply, you soon can, too!

>>105953761
>>105953773

Isn't this exactly the kind of thing the FDA exists to prevent?

>>105953822
>why it is considered that the water vanishes when it goes into the heat exchanger.
Here's an image to assist your violent retardation and ignorance. You're dumb as a fucking shoe.

>>105954228
Well, the fact that they're sending literal paid Indian drones at midnight on the slowest board on 4chan, tells me you and your employer think it's a big deal. Care to explain, Devansh?

>>105954379
I love how this retarded fat animal just keeps repeating the sources of his misery like a mantra, hoping that things will fix themselves. What a numb-skulled creature.

>>105955121
Completely irrelevant statement, you are a fucking bot.

>>105953741 (OP)
data centers with artificial lakes exist that recycle the cooling water
nobody says it needs to be flushed down the drain
and the faggots with the pop-up pool could use it too and save even more precious h2o

I don't care about rural people and I especially don't care about rural Americans. They are disgusting subhumans who contribute nothing, drain resources and then act like they're somehow better than other people. They don't deserve to have water.

>>105953741 (OP)
This is odd. If they just moved it near the coast, they can actually use the energy for cooling to desalinate water and increase the amount of potable water at the same time they attempt to achieve the nothingburger.

>>105955624
>nobody says it needs to be flushed down the drain
That's what the majority of data centers do, though.

>>105953741 (OP)
use case for water, when you can drink Monster instead

>>105953741 (OP)
why can't residents just drink the hot water coming out of the datacenter?

>>105955718
>dood, just drink the industrial waste, bro!
>haven't you seen ninja turtles, man?
>it's good for you, bro!

>>105955629
This is unironically what leftists all believe.

>>105954441
>have millions of gallons of hot water as a by-product of all kinds of technology
>still have to pay and burn through more electricity to warm up my shower

>>105955745
They literally want to turn recycled plastics into candy and feed it to toddlers.

>build data center at the bottom of the ocean
>infinite cold water
>sea floor around the structure actually begins teeming with life and forms its own thriving ecosystem

>>105954459
>[white] people stop being depressive and kill themself
Why would you want this?

>>105955755
I've heard many of them say that about electric cars when it's pointed out that EVs would require more power generation, which typically is located in rural areas. As long as the air in the city no longer has fumes from their cars, they don't care if there's a coal plant dumping on rural people. Which is interesting considering they get preachy about "environmental justice" when blacks build their houses next to a sewage treatment plant on the edge of their city.

>>105955803
>Earlier this summer, marine specialists reeled up a shipping-container-size datacenter coated in algae, barnacles and sea anemones from the seafloor off Scotland’s Orkney Islands.
>The retrieval launched the final phase of a years-long effort that proved the concept of underwater datacenters is feasible, as well as logistically, environmentally and economically practical.
>Microsoft’s Project Natick team deployed the Northern Isles datacenter 117 feet deep to the seafloor in spring 2018. For the next two years, team members tested and monitored the performance and reliability of the datacenter’s servers.
https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/sustainability/project-natick-underwater-datacenter/

>>105955755
>>105955872
Here come the entitled lazy slobs with their persecution complexes.
>noooo you shouldn't complain that I do fentanyl all day and live in luxury because of all the technological advances and high economic output of hard working city folk
Get off your asses and get a real job

>>105955037
i am sure some eceleb will make a youtube video for you soon, so you can take part of the article too, anon

Yes. I'm willing to sacrifice everything so rich jews can become richer.

>>105954163
Not in the only country that matters, the USA

>>105954382
Now input salt water, condence the steam and you have a nice still running providing water that is at least suitable for irrigation.

>>105956157
If you don't want this you are a disgusting commie faggot

>>105956157
You don't sound proud enough of the fact that your country will soon have trillionaires.
We will deduct 2 billion Palantir points from your account for communist socialist thinking. You probably also think that people who work all day should have enough money to pay for rent AND food?! Possibly even be able to SAVE some money to buy something for them, or save for emergencies?!?!?!

>if the use of resource X increases we will simply have to ration it, increasing production or extraction of resource X is impossible because it just is!

>>105954592
I think I read somewhere that they're usually going with the evaporative cooling route, presumably it's easier / cheaper to get the cooling capacity you want that way than it would be to make a closed loop system that just uses huge radiators to dissipate all the heat from the water into the air.

>>105955895
>the seafloor off Scotland’s Orkney Islands
Hilarious. Why not first supply the waste heat to the people living there? With a mean temperature of 10 - 15 C you can enjoy a good neighbourhood when you keep the homes warm and cozy with the waste heat.

Is this a reason for companies to start using water from the ocean or is the technology too pozzed still

>>105956117
>communism
>eceleb

>>105954188
not an expert but from what I read salt fucks up everything. you must filter it before any use of the water and then you have a tremendous amount of salt that is basically waste.

>>105956619
The important parts do not have to touch the saltwater. You can even transfer heat liquid to liquid. The corrosion issue is easily overcome.

>>105956157
Oof and yikes, that kind of talk will degrade your Palantir score fellow citizen.

Using AI to perform work on the sabbath is kosher.
(I have a special exemption for working on Saturday)

>>105953741 (OP)
no i think i'd rather use a drone to drop MIG wire across power lines and induce phase to phase shorts. theres no way they have enough generators on site to run an AI data center.

>>105955787
So toddlers get a little more plastic in their diets, big deal.

>>105956265
>increasing production or extraction of resource X is impossible because it just is!
I mean, you can't plant more water. You're pretty much reliant on the weather patterns to consistently cycle more water through catchments.
Would be a pity if weather patterns changed.

>>105955031
Crypto is literally just glorified shell companies with decentralized purchase tracking

>>105956838
There are plenty of things that can be done, unfortunately the people entrusted with fixing this is deep into Shirkey's Principle.
Meanwhile, Hong Kong, having limited water supplies, use a seperate water supply with sea water for flushing toilets. This thought is unplossible to the chattering classes who, somehow, always have enough of whatever they are set to regulate.

>>105956878
Hong Kong is also a tiny province that is on the shoreline.
A lot of these data centers are being put in places no where near the sea (because you want them kinda central to the areas they serve).

>>105956914
>Hong Kong is also a tiny province that is on the shoreline.
Any idea how many live there? In any case, most users tend to live in proximity to water since it turnes out humans need water.
Also, it is far easier to pipe data over fiber than pipe water for cooling.

>>105955031
Most crypto mining is dumb and wasteful too. It's one thing if it uses generic hardware to set the base price of energy. Is another if it only rewards kikes with huge capex in specialty mining hardware.

>>105953741 (OP)
The people are truly evil.

>>105955518
>Using AI has the potential to kill Americans
based

>>105953741 (OP)
They should run pipes from the data centre to housing nearby, use the water for heating

>>105953741 (OP)
first it was bitcoin mining using a city's worth of power
now it's AI using a country's worth of this and that

all these dumb stats were created for sensational news. don't believe this shit until you see the Earth exploding with your own eyes

>>105957608
No, the surrounding residents need to pay more for energy to subsidize the power consumed by AI datacenters.

>>105957778

Isn't it crazy how a billions and billions dollar data center would be vulnerable to an IED dropped from a small consumer plane? I don't think people appreciate how vulnerable american infrastructure is.

>>105953830
>acre-feet
Is that supposed to be a unit of volume? Americans really will go out of their way to avoid using the metric system, but even gallons would've sounded less retarded than this.

>>105958085
>I don't think people appreciate how vulnerable american infrastructure is.
Oh, trust me, a good number of us experts know.
It's just that we're powerless to change that in the face of systemic forces that encourage infrastructure providers (whether publicly or privately owned) to "generate efficiencies" by reducing investments in robustness against exceptional events.
Fuck, we're watching the entire insurance industry in North America (and likely a worldwide problem) fall into dysfunction (skyrocketing rates, refusal of coverage, government bailouts and subsidy schemes) under the stress of climate change and we're barely doing anything about it (both about climate change, and about the problems in insurance).
Still, having a graphite confetti party at a transformer substation is just going to be locally disruptive. Our government is still reasonably functional at diverting resources to address local issues.
The real problem is regional and national crises that will test the ability of the entire nation to replace even >25% of the electrical grid at once. Just look at what's happening in Ukraine. At some point you destroy shit faster than it can be possibly rebuilt.

>>105958124
It's kind of sensible in terms of the practical application of water in agriculture.
If you have an acre of crops, and the crops need X amount of water, you can check how many inches of rainfall will naturally occur during the growing season and see how much that needs to be supplemented by irrigation.
You could use metric measurements instead, but the specific construction of that unit is valuable for the context.
>t. also loves metric

>>105956360
Do you want to beg tech company for their scraps?
Do you want to sign a EULA for your home heating?

>>105953741 (OP)
WHY DON'T THEY JUST BUILD THE DATA CENTERS UNDER THE OCEAN? THAT WAY THEY CAN HAVE ALL THE WATER THEY WANT.

>>105954104
This but unironically, technological progress for the sake of capitalist profits is a fucking menace to our future

The leftist fags are actually right this time. Some misconceptions in this thread. The coolant system needs clean water to avoid corrosion, so it’s a constant drain, it can’t just recycle the water or it degrades the hardware. This also poisons the water for drinking.

So yes, corpos are literally destroying the water supply in order to generate images of gay black and trans slop.

AI is a cancer on the planet and uncle Ted was right.

>>105958495
retard
>>105958466
retard
>>105954104
retard

its not the tech thats the problem
its the fact that most societies are filled with will-less retards and so predators roam free
the tech is irrelevant
we could have been in the iron age and tech would have been leveraged to dominate and oppress just the same
only the tech would have been different

tell me, how many of you are americans?
unironically amerifags yearn more for the nanny state than euro lefties themselves

>>105958495
This is why retards don’t realize, “MUH HECKING GREENHOUSE GASES IS FAKE” yeah but is the heavy metals you’re leeching everywhere in refinery’s and tech fake fucking kek

>>105958495
>it can't recycle water
I bet they could but it would be expensive.

>>105958531
>society is shit and heavily underdeveloped morally and the tech we invent totally isn’t a reflection of that
I hope you get your head exploded by an AI drone trying to find riot for water kekekeke

>>105958559
no, i will be the one producing the drones, weak faggot
exactly because youre willess trash and cant be trusted with your own future

>>105958495
You know cars have a coolant system with special liquid that barely needs to be changed?

>>105953830
>acre-feet of water
how much is that in Mcfurlongs per square Pride Month™

>>105958568
Ohhhhh got it ok, so society is shit and morally undeveloped and the solution to that is killing everyone who isn’t you, classic and I’m sure that will lead you to great outcomes

Explain how water is "used up"?

>>105958495
this is just a shit engineering problem

Why not build near a big lake or the ocean, pump the cold water into a heat exchanger, and then exhaust it back into the body of water? Nuclear power plants can be cooled this way. Don't see why they could not do the same with datacenters. It's not like a few milliseconds of delay is a problem for slop generation so they should just build them in the the most suitable locations. A place with cheap electricity and cool weather.

>>105958559
proof of your weakness:
>society is shit and heavily underdeveloped morally and the tech we invent totally isn’t a reflection of that
you complete retard
you state yourself that the problem is society
but the thought of being responsible for that blocks you from integrating that thought

youre irrational
your irrationality blocks your thought processes
which in effect makes you retarded
you dont deserve freedom
you deserve the yoke and to be used as farm animal

>>105955031
>the difference between using and wasting a resource is philosophical
let us know about philosophical loss of non-salty water once a corporation buys all the soruces of fresh water in your area

>>105958597
Wow society is made up of individuals so I’m responsible for society, thus actually I should suck robot cock and admit you’re 900 IQ. Another banger from anon the philosopher

>>105958600
just tell em not to and if they do fine enough to jeopardize their whole company
but that didnt cross your mind, did it?
i bet youre an american.

>>105955037
>not dying of dehydration and heavy metal poisoning is communist
be less retarded

>>105958618
>inactivity in face of evil is also evil in itself
or something to that effect
you live in a democratic system with several recourses at your disposal including extra-legal ones
youre weak.
you try to convince me to shield your ego
how fucking pathetic.
but on top of that its not an irl interaction youre on an anonymous forum
youre a lower lifeform, anon
youre free but you choose to live in a cage

you just dont deserve freedom.
youre an useless eater with faulty genes

>>105958213
>It's kind of sensible in terms of the practical application of water in agriculture.
No.
It is far easier to state the requirement in millimetres, as that obviously is regardless of the area of your field.

>>105958395
>Let's take a solution and make it so braindead taht ordinary people whill leave.
It is sad to see how the land of the "free" has decayed.

Why does cooling the computers even make the water dirty? Should it just be going into copper pipes cold, coming out warm, and going back where it came from? Copper is a perfectly good material for plumbing.

>>105953741 (OP)
>>105953761
there's a video interview with that homeowner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGjj7wDYaiI

>>105958495
>The coolant system needs clean water to avoid corrosion
OK, so you have absolutely no ideas anout ship engineering, got it.

>>105958655
>yaaada yaada might makes right
How convenient for your philosophy that you’re mighty. Again just wonderful insight, truly nothing could go wrong here listening to you.

>>105958667
>Copper is a perfectly good material for plumbing.
it isnt. copper is poisonous
also different metals in the piping create a potential difference something something electricity? sacrificial anodes? and causes ions to leech into the water

society should say "not my fucking problem" and tell big tech to fix their shit or theyll get nationalized adn thats it

>>105953741 (OP)
What am I supposed to do with the 500,000 gallons of water a day figure? This isn't a unit I'm used to dealing with. Am I supposed to read it and say oh no, that's bad, stop AI?

>>105958677
I don't think you can find any drinking water that comes out of any tap that hasn't been through thousands of feet of copper since its last cleaning

>>105958675
stupid fucking hippie fucking retard
>might makes right
bc iut fucking does what do you thing society is built upon?
the social contract, and why its a contract and not a top down order

you complete fucking imbecile, the people are the ones with the might
now explain yourself how possibly that could b e a bad thing?

>>105953741 (OP)
Boycott AI. Delete all accounts that are with X, Facebook, Google, and Microsoft. You don't need it.

>>105953877
When humans lose access to water, they usually lose respect for laws, rights and public order pretty quickly, too. Within about 1 day.

>>105958700
>I WAS JUST KIDDING, ACTUALLY I’M NOT MIGHTY YOU ARE, I’M SIMPLY AT THE WHIMS OF YOUR SOCIETY
This is literally garbage drivel falling out of your asshole to try and excuse technology from being just as tainted as the society that birthed it. Really not interested in entertaining your technology addicted delusions.

>>105958591
>Don't see why they could not do the same with datacenters.
It could be but tech cucks don't play by the same rules

Nuclear has to be extremely careful about everything it does (for good reason), data centers should have the same amount of scrutiny of environmental impact but nope we like licking big tech feet

>>105958726
>another strawman
youre a retard, anon
i never said that
im at the whims of nobody
because unlike you, i have agency
when you are an eternal victim

>>105953741 (OP)
Why do these morons keep talking as if water will just disappear if it's used to cool data centers?

>>105958677
>also different metals in the piping create a potential difference something something electricity?
There is no need to mix metals in the piples, copper is convenient for all sizes.
>sacrificial anodes?
So why are you writing about stuff you make clear you haver not any idea about? That is the real mytery around here.
>and causes ions to leech into the water
In a closed circuit the ions will come into equilibrium, that is not a problem, and never was.
>nationalized adn thats it
Ah, green commie detected. That explains the compulsion to fantasize about things you never bothered to understand.

>>105958749
because it kinda literally does
you have something called water table
theres a rate at which it refills
if you exceed that rate with your consumption, youre depleting it

>>105958738
How much water per day does the hay / alfafa industry use in Nevada?

>>105958754
i advance a thesis
and copper is poisonous

i wont address the rest of your demented ravings

>>105958748
Oh sorry, so to rewrite anons fanfiction of reality:
>I’m a hecking lone wolf using epik ideologically nuetral technology to control society
>you’re all sheeple being bent to my will
Just fabulous stuff really, can’t wait for the movie (served over ideologically nuetral 4k of course, with some ideologically nuetral popcorn)

>>105958757
data centers aren't hoarding an ever increasing amount of water, they're just moving it around

>>105958639
>everything i dont like creates metal poisoning and dehydration
Kill yourself commie

>>105953741 (OP)
>Bluesoi
lmao, didn't read it.

>>105958776
youre seething
haaaaaard
>>105958777
which then gets polluted with trash that comes from theiur pipes and ends up in a river
which isnt the water table, obviously
thence: depletion

>>105958578
>>105955571
There is a pool of fresh water that you can evaporate, make dirty or use for plants that eventually rains down, but it is still limited, basically using up water faster then it replenishes, not to mention that lot of dry areas of the world with water use underground aquifer water that was stored there for over thousands of years and is being used up much faster then it is being replenished naturally. And putting extra water into the system wont make increase the pool of fresh water that cycles because water can always go into the ocean and get basically wasted there.

>>105958787
The overarching problem is that environmental arguments like this is that (1) they rely on computer models, (2) they predict future disastrous consequences, and (3) they never come true. So the whole field is "boy who cried wolf" for "Agree with what my computer model says or you're all going to die".

>>105958787
>Seethe, cope, destroyed!
You’ve opened my eyes, independent techno capitalism is definitely not a blight that will kill humanity now because you said seethe.

>>105958822
>talking about a
>but b, c, d, and z...
who give a shit they lie
always verify the data
and come up with your own conclusions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGjj7wDYaiI

>nuh do the contrarian
pol tier retardation

>>105958831
>digging deeper
lamao
im not trying to open your eyes
im just berating you for being a retard

>how can.. water use if... le water cycle?!??!
>HUUUUUUURRRRRRRR

>>105958852
The point is, the systems are too complex for your arguments to be correct. And did you answer >>105958761 ?

>>105958861
Ok. I’ll berate you for being a bootlicker then. Get berated, faggot

>>105958865
>The point is, the systems are too complex for your arguments to be correct.
then you dont have a point. simple

>did you answer
not addressed to me
why should i?

>>105953830
Surprised no one has posted this yet.

>>105958865
what the hell ill answer anyways
>what about agri
a) thats whataboutism. which is gay
b) extremely destructive to the environment
pesticide and fertilizer seepage into the groundwaters
depletion of the water table
destruction of natural habitats

another failure of the people to keep checks and balances ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
but its americans were talking about
the other day i saw a vid about an american freaking out at euro fanta because its not radioactive-neon-orange like it is in the us
the american yearns to live in a toxic dump, and eat poisoned plastic that passes as food

>>105958761
probably a lot! Same with avocado farming in california

those also damage the local water tables quite severely

At least farming is a somewhat natural process, data centers we can much more easily control water use for , they dont need to be net negative if we dont want them to be

>>105955518
Good thing muricans have so many weapons to make their rights valid and not just kill each other for the dumbest reasons... right?

Jesus this is just sad and pathetic at the same time

>>105956187
USA is no a country, it's a testing ground.

>>105959137
It's the template for the future pedo elite cabal ruling over goys with a technology powered fist such that they may never rise against their masters ever again.

>>105959184
its a good thing theyre fucking retards
or we would have been in real big trouble
they cant create the tech themselves.
when someone combines brains with financing theyre just outclassed

>>105954175
>>105954236
There are liberals who support AI, liberals who are against AI, conservatives who support AI. and conservatives who are against AI

>>105953741 (OP)
Every time someone whines about "AI slop" I cheer on the corporations a little more.

>>105959357
>leftshit
>corpo cocksucker
why am i not surprized?

>>105959357
Your Palantir score has increased.

>>105959184
This is already possible you just need to convince people to live in a system like North Korea or the USSR. Uprisings are impossible there.

>>105954629
Those server facilities probably use several times the amount of water than that plant, have in mind that most nuclear plants don't run at full capacity 100% of the time, but only a few towers are powered on, hell since my country's commie government raised taxes so much for nuclear energy, they don't even power the plants on most of the year, which led to an international power outage because the solar and wind power plants can't sustain an steady rate of energy.

>>105954378
>Why can my engine run on a closed cooling cycle but a datacenter can not?
Because it doesn't need to and it's cheaper not to. It doesn't need to because it's connected to a pipe carrying water that doesn't matter if it gets heated up by a few degree. Your car need to move.
>>105954579
>Do they use purified drinking water? I get you dont want shit water but something in between. Can't they just build them next to a river or force them to process the water after use.
They use municipal water separated from the datacenter's cooling loop by a heat exchange. The pipes that supply the water to the city have a small dog leg that runs up into the datacenter, pick up a few degrees of heating the return back to the watermains dumping the heat into the ground, or maybe slightly warming up the water at the tap.
>>105955745
>>dood, just drink the industrial waste, bro!
It's slightly warmer tap water.
>>105956348
>I think I read somewhere that they're usually going with the evaporative cooling route.
I strongly doubt that, towers are big and expensive to build. A datacenter in a town already has cheap access to cooling water.

>>105959551
>have in mind that most nuclear plants don't run at full capacity 100% of the time
They sure try to because they cost very little to run, but a lot to build. Out of all power sources most nuclear reactors have the highest overall utility. (ratio of the max power output they can produce)

>>105959221
At the current rate of AI development they won't need to be smart, all they need is to own the means for the AI which they already do.
>>105959457
Neither have the economic and technological power that the Techno-Jewish western elite is amassing right now, in one or two decades it will be literally impossible to even touch them as they will no longer have a need for human labor. Once that is done they'll decimate the human population in order to ensure plenty of resources for themselves and their small offspring, which will obviously be genetically engineered to live longer and better than any goy ever has and ever will. The dystopia of the future is far bleaker than anything imagined in fiction.

>>105953741 (OP)
Do they use clean water to cool servers? If so, technophiles are even more retarded than I thought.

>>105959937
>At the current rate of AI development
shush forevermore, illiterate
shush throughout space and time
and shush your descendants too as generational penance

>>105959995
you kinda have to
you certainly dont want buildup in your shit

what i find crazy is that they dont reuse their water
its completely fucking retarded but its big corpo were talking about
HRocracy IS profoundly, irrevocably and irredeemably retarded

>>105959995
>>105960114
(cont)
its not the only thing that makes zero sense
if techbro NIGGERS had any brains, they would build the datacenters in canada, or in northern states
not in fucking louisiana
what a complete mongoloid retard
its not only hot down there but also humid so it destroys any type of evaporative solution's efficiency

i hope he will enjoy his fucking electricity bill for the cooling
fukken
and then people larp as being smart
theyre all fucking mongoloids down to the last one
fucking ceos of down syndrome

>>105960157
Maybe they are just being evil for the sake of it
It feels like common practice now
There are always more reasonable solutions to what they want yet they always seem to take the most damaging one

> 2000 cubic meters of water a day for no tangible benefit
this is fucking absurd

why dont they design it while salt water in mind?

>>105960184
salt tends to stick to things, tanks will require 24/7 cleaning with such huge amount and that requires money and chemicals and maybe downtime

>>105960184
ideally you need water with 0 salt, as no matter how little concentration salt sticks in the pipes and clogs it eventually like cholesterol or if they weren't fucking monsters they would use alcohol or nitrogen in a self cycling system, you still can cycle saltless water as is just a matter of moving it around as it chills
to use fresh water at every second is just insane

>>105960178
idk
it would be retarded in itself because theyre constantly paying for water when they could have their cooling solution be a one time investment
also theyre unable to develop the tech themselves
they dont have in house talent, or competent leadership
every single one of their projects starts with acquisitions

i think theyre just fucking retarded
and evil people usually are- theyre evil because theyre too retarded to visualize the consequences of their actions
same with the lack of empathy
>but they wouldnt be gorilionaires then
the richest person i know is my uncle
hes firmly below 100 iq
he is an evil person, he tried to scam members of his own family
but he weighs 6 milions

retards are overrepresented in success and breeding because they cannot project into the future
its just a numbers game. more retards try bc theyre too retarded to realize they will fail- but this means they dont know doubt which often helps
for the latter- its self explanatory. pee pee feels good, doesnt matter the child has miserable life conditions. and retard genes

>>105960223
another techbro L
whats in our pipes is everything BUT distilled water
calcium, fukken metal salts
dead tranies, aborted children, aids
estrogen from the pills
in some places that shit is literally bad for your health

>>105953741 (OP)
Why don't they just use seawater? We've got many gigatons of that spare.

>>105960230
makes a lot of sense
also i can see a lot of current millionaires and billionaires making their fortune thanks to their family assets and influences, as companies just get bailed if they bankrupt, they are given this life with 0 consequences
Luck does a lot, like not living in a town that randomly gets its resources eaten by meta, nestle or someone like that
this kind of topic is always so grim

>>105960282
>this kind of topic is always so grim
yeah
but this also makes for epic life stories
were fighting against the machine
or rather, trying to not get squished by history's steamroller

we have everyone and everything against us
that makes every bit of personal victory worth celebrating and be proud of
its 100% cope but it is useful cope
it makes you stronger, it is empowering and helps with the not getting insane while getting there- part (in a way you pre-emptively turn half insane but at least this type of insanity is manageable)

>>105960278
And before anyone bleats on about corrosion like a dumbass, we've literally built nuclear power stations that were cooled that way. It really is a solved problem.

>>105960254
at room temperature, yes, it doesn't matter that much if you have flour or oxytocin in your water (i don't think those crystalize but is a fun random to comment about)
But when you add heat is where problems arise
Like with a home PC to use something else beyond water is more efficient and i'm sure the compressor for the nitrogen wouldn't consume a fraction of the energy their whole building is consuming right now
A company like meta surely can invest to produce their own energy even and even sell it to the state latter but alas, its all about the now

>>105960309
errr yeah but youre talking about the tertiary circuit
used to regulate the temperature of the system
the water in the core or in the secondary circuit is distilled

the tertiary circuit might as well be actually a pipe from secondary circuit submerged in the sea
in no case you want salt water inside small pipes
especially ones that have hot/cold cycles
hot water can hold more salt
then cools and all the salt will precipitate out, clogging the system
thats turbo dumb

>>105960309
>>105960354
fffffforgot picrel

>>105956766
>using drones to safely short HV lines
Devilish, Seymour

>>105956766
Meth-a has infinite money to throw at the problem and surely enough cameras everywhere to pin the responsible eventually as you would need to do it constantly to disrupt them
it would be a matter of actually getting the town to mob the facility into rubble
You can't vote out this kind of problems, but you can't also poke by yourself a titan and not expect to be squished

>>105954436
>the water still exists.
True
>It doesn't get used
False
The water is not available once it's inside the system. So it's a half million gallons that are not going back to the environment as long as the data center keeps running.

>>105960869
>autism

>>105954436
>water that is both sequestered from a finite local supply and can be drank at the same time
you've just invented quantum water anon. looking forwards to reading your whitepaper.

>>105960421
>Meth-a
Im sure it sounds better when you say it, but in text it just doesnt translate well

Construction man here.
The datacenter projects that deplete the water table should have never been approved. The general corruption of local governments, especially Georgia, has deals like this go down as a result of bribery or institutional greed for the tax money brought in by big business, without looking out for the actual constituents. This happens constantly. Destructive projects like this happen because a lack of functioning, representative local governments. It is the same corruption and incompetence that causes projects to be built WRONG and make everything worse than it should be.
In the first place, the tech companies are choosing environmentally inappropriate locations because of electricity rates, ignoring that electrical infrastructure can be built but the climate will always result in cooling inefficiencies. Using evaporation cooling or any means that removes water from the municipal system is also monumentally retarded. The big companies are too motivated by short-term profit to invest in the proper closed-loop cooling systems that will allow their prescience to be sustained and even welcomed in their area. They may get away with being robber barons. or they could be ousted legally, or sabotaged illegally by locals, and lose their investment. or they could be murdered.
Before someone comes to call me a commie, I want to mention that building codes and inspections exist for good reasons. They prevent builders from effectively robbing people, both the residents/users of the projects and those in the surrounding area, through outsized costs. A good example is a a new house with bad roof that gets damaged from mold or structural rot that rots quickly. In that case the builder profits a few thousand extra from shoddy work while the buyer loses 500 grand and their home. The construction of the house was an economic loss.
A robber causes widespread suffering like this does and does not pay for it without jurisprudence. Those harmed also have property rights

Are these datacentres for training or inference?
If mainly inference, what's happening with those custom hardware companies (Cerberus, Etched, others) who supposedly can run it an order of magnitude faster than generic GPUs/TPUs? Surely that's the future if it works.

>>105953741 (OP)
We are wasting so many resources on this shit. I think we should wait until it "earns" this level of resources aka comes up with a more energy efficient way to run before pouring more into it.

Trump wants to open coal run power plants for his computers. I imagine a lot of people working in mines in the future and losing power in their homes

>>105953741 (OP)
I am willing to sacrifice Israel.

>>105961444
>I want to mention that building codes and inspections exist for good reasons.

Depends on the location. In many cases, it's just the government wanting more revenue through endless expensive permits and inspections.

>>105959378
isnt the left supposed to be the anti corpo one?

>>105955772
Don't worry anon, in time the government will be building a small data center next to your shower to monitor you.

>>105953741 (OP)
it's over, the earth is drying up, sea levels are dropping globally

>>105953877
Capitalists actually believe this.

>>105954379
>turn off USAID
>all mention of CLIMATE CHANGE!!! vanishes
Really makes you think.

>>105958578
>use american fresh water
>it rains down in mexico/canada/cuba/ocean

>>105953761
>Can we have a source that isn't from twitter's anus?

Yeah, we need a source that is from the anus of Bluesky, or the leaky anus if a redditor.

>>105953761
>Can we have a source that isn't from twitter's anus?

Yeah, we need a source that is from the anus of Bluesky, or the leaky anus of a Redditor.

>>105962042
Not since corporations discovered donning a rainbow suit turned leftists into defenders of corporations.

>>105953741 (OP)
not my problem

>>105963051
ameriblob moment

I FUCKING HATE you technologically inept fucks

Data centres use grey or waste water, they also choose locations with plenty of water and cheap electricity because the people making them are not retards like you

>>105962042
>anti corpo one

>>105963587
ai is bad, breadtubers told me so~

>>105963587
literally 10 billion trees die every time u prompt bro trust me ai is bad

>>105963587
then wtf is in the pipes of these people?
fukken used water, right?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGjj7wDYaiI
if you have a drop in pressure that water is going somewhere
probably in a river lamao

>>105963587
>cooling electronics with poop water
Indian H-1B engineering at its finest.

>>105963051
>>all mention of CLIMATE CHANGE!!! vanishes
No, it didn't.
>>turn off USAID
This administration specifically removed references to Climate Change from everything they could. It was a deliberate act by the administration.

>>105963608
every time some shit like this comes up it turns out to be average burger infrastructure because they think pipes are communism rather than anything to do with the data centre

>>105963618
lmao

>>105963618
learn what grey water is retard

>>105962042
left wing = bourgeois revolutionary
the term comes from the places where the partliamentaries sat, in relation to the french king, during the restoration period of france
and these people were bourgeois revolutionaries

since then left wing is bourgeois
mao? student bourgeois
marx? student bourgeois
engels
you guessed it
bourgeois as fuck
only stalin doesnt follow the rule. he was a bank robber
beyond that its all empty phrases
and a revolution where the old oligarchy is replaced with a new one

>>105963621
post examples then

>>105953741 (OP)
But I want AGI to replace humanity.

>>105958802
Why not replenish it yourself?
There is recent MIT contraption that can replenish water in a fucking desert.

Death to AI, death to techbros. Enough with the bullshit already.

>>105953741 (OP)
So is this creating all the massive rainfalls over America as the water evaporates?
Why not just have a bunch of noctua coolers and save water?

>>105963631
Does "waste water" not refer to blackwater?

>>105963719
the bubble will pop, but slop is forever

>>105963587
lol did you just notice this place is full of left curve midwits who pretend to be geniuses but are actually deeply retarded? it's a waste of energy to do anything but shitpost

>>105963825
>>105963621
>>105963668
hes had a golden opportunity to talk doe
but it seems he was talking out of his ass

>>105953822
>why it is considered that the water vanishes when it goes into the heat exchanger.
WHAT IS IT EXCHANGING THE HEAT WITH, ANON. WHERE IS THE HEAT GOING?!

>>105962042
western leftists were always useful idiots highjacked by the corporate interests

>>105963931
What happens to the heated water? Wormhole to Mars?

>>105964028
evaporated into the air, discharged downstream, or injected into the ground.

>>105955895
could we put a massive underwater farm off the coast of california so they could get more rain?

>>105953741 (OP)
Just drink Surge.

>>105964053
>evaporated into the air, discharged downstream, or injected into the ground.
Or because the water isn't used for anything other than to carry heat, returned back to the watermain to be distributed to domestic customers slightly warmer?

>>105964133
>he thinks you can just inject warm water back into a cold water system

DEI engineer from the top PABAJEBEP University, hosted by world famous java programmer DOCTOR SKETAR DALEET

>>105964642
Yeah it's how hot water tanks with recirculation pumps work.

>>105953771
Slugcats fucking when?

>>105954489
My laptop has a heat pipe that works just fine at 60C but muh heckin AIslop can't cope with 35C, lmao you retarded consoomers are beyond pathetic.

>>105954554
But then we would need to filter the water ourselves instead of wasting finite resource on slop that can't even get sick from drinking river water that was polluted by the same company.

do these people think water disappears into nothing when used for cooling or farming?

>>105965020
It costs more to keep recirculating it. Unless you dump it back into river, so it can naturally stay clean, it goes bad pretty quick and le heckin billion dollar company cannot handle the costs of keeping it clean.

>>105965026
even if it is dumped into the ocean, it will eventually evaporate, rain down as drinkable water, and accumulate underground or on mountain peaks
it's a non-issue if you live in a sensible location and not in some shithole in africa

>>105965055
Drinkable water is finite, fucking moron.

>sacrifice water
do you think water just disappears, dumbass?

>>105965007
That's a different method of cooling.
Fucking learn something.

>>105965083
Go drink ocean water then. No, you can't desalinate it first.

>>105965110
Yes, the superior kind where water has been stuck in the pipe for over 15 years and just werks. What do you have to say for yourself, subhuman?
>>105965123
Desalination is one of most expensive and inefficient ways to get drinking water, I accept your concession, tranny.

>>105965128
>Yes, the superior kind where water has been stuck in the pipe for over 15 years and just werks.
It's not water.

@105965152
>Modern CPU heat pipes are typically made of copper and use water as the working fluid.[3] They are common in many consumer electronics like desktops, laptops, tablets, and high-end smartphones.
Your retarded bait isn't even worthy of response.

>>105965128
>Desalination is one of most expensive and inefficient ways to get drinking water
Welcome to my point, you fucking idiot.

>>105965167
This doesn't make other methods cheap, and drinkable water is a finite resource that costs money to produce like anything else, moron.

>a bunch of retarded autists think that they can just go to a river and pump clean fresh water that they can safely drink when it wasn't possible since industrial revolution
What a dogshit thread.

>>105965083
retard

>>105965164
>if its not a response if it's not quoted correctly
Lol.
Anyway, I was wrong. However, for a datacenter heat pipes aren't going to be a good solution because modularity is more important (for racking systems) and you need to transport the heat a relatively long way.

@105965222
>was
You still are wrong and will forever be, tranny.

>>105965175
drinkable water replenishes naturally, you absolute retard

>>105965235
Ok, enjoy your water full of chemicals and heavy metals, I'll stick to my actually clean water.

>>105965254
people drank rainwater for thousands of years, you're just a weakling who needs your water filtered

>>105965229
Why do you keep calling me tranny? Are you interested?

>>105965265
People polluted rainwater for less than three centuries, dumb tranny. Kill yourself you worthless faggot.
>>105965279
I call things what they are.

>>105965285
>I call things what they are.
But I'm not a tranny. Maybe you got the wrong impression somewhere.

>>105965294
I get impressions from what you post.

>>105965302
Very strange. Seems like an inaccurate way of coming to such conclusions.
Oh well, maybe you'll do better in the future.

>>105958085
The whole point of the US is its invulnerability to most direct threats by simple distance. Unless Canada, Mexico or Cuba get somehow uppity, most resources can safely be put into efficently using resources towards production instead of robustness or resilience.

>>105953741 (OP)
Small data centers should be built in all new apartments buildings. The heat generated can be piped through for hot water and heating.
They ca. be built alongside swimming pools and provide the heating for the water.
There are many, many ways to use the heat generated from these. However at the moment no one does.

>>105959551
During peak demand in summer Palo Verde uses 60,000 gallons per minute. You do the math against the nytimes crying about 500,000 gallons a day.
This is specifically the amount of water the plant uses to make up for evaporative losses in the cooling towers. I'm not quoting you how much water is simply flowing through the secondary water system.

>>105958085
>I don't think people appreciate how vulnerable american infrastructure is.
It's not vulnerable though because it requires people (Americans) to do something

>>105955518
>Our Water
>Well

????

>>105953830
>>105964078
Currently the capex to build desalination that would cover the total amount California can take from the Colorado river is around $15B - $40B
California HSR has cost around that lower estimate already with a final price tag of $100B
For a state as rich as Cali water scarcity is a choice. Various things are possible. Like restoring the water levels in the Salton Sea and reversing its increasing salination. Just go to break out of the cuck mindset that only things offered by nature are available.

>rationing drinking, bathing, and farming water so cumbrains can generate an over-contrasted picture of a girl with 7 fingers and 3 tits.

>>105965513
And a dick don't forget that.

>>105965370
Oh I don't mean invasion, but sabotage

>>105954163
Based on what?

>>105954341
People are using it all the time for purposes they benefit from. How is shitposting on 4chan a better use of water?

>>105958085
Where is infrastructure resilient then? Are their switching stations located deep underground? Are all their high voltage lines buried? Do their powerplant turbine halls have thick steel reinforced concrete protecting them with no windows?

>>105965628
Obscurity is security, so I cant tell you

>>105965663
Yeah sorry Tuvalu you're gonna get it now.

>>105958414
They''re working on it.
https://news.microsoft.com/source/features/sustainability/project-natick-underwater-datacenter/

>>105955162
This is literally your and your local government's fault. The corporations only do those things because you allow it. It sure is convenient to let some billion dollar industry pay their way into ruining your environment, and then cry about it when the money has been exchanged and they actually start doing what they said they were going to do. Some things just aren't worth the money.

>>105965521
in that case it's fine

>>105965285
I hate how safe the modern world is for the mouthbreathers like you
back in the day you would have been naturally selected out of the gene pool

>>105966563
400 years ago, river water was safer than tap water in 2025, in case you're too brown to understand this from context.

>>105953741 (OP)
i am willing to starve americans so that i can have a ai gf