Thread 105957530

>no AI goyslop
>no spyware
>stable(tm)
>set it up and forget
>just werks
>no corpo bullshit (IBM, Canonical, Oracle, Microsoft)
>chud version if you're into that (devuan)
>troon version (default) for the /v/irgins
>no AUR spyware
Come home, white man.

>>105957530 (OP)
>Come home, white man
Ironically, Debian bans white men from contributing.

>>105957537
>devuan exists

>stable is too old
>testing is too old
>sid is completely unusable
>apt sucks
after a couple of months of never ending bullshit I refuse to use debian ever again

>>105957537
>Debian bans white men from contributing.
even the leader is a white man
https://www.debian.org/vote/2024/platforms/tille
>>105957564
>>stable is too old
Hey updoooter!
>>testing is too old
??
>>sid is completely unusable
works on my machine
>>apt sucks
apt update & apt upgrade filtered you? How?

actual white men use bsd or mac.
sorry!

>maintainers tamper with packages whenever they feel like it
https://github.com/keepassxreboot/keepassxc/issues/10725#issuecomment-2104381335
https://linuxiac.com/debian-keepassxc-sparked-debate/

>>105957583
>bsd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oLuJSFZKEs

>>105957605
Nice ugly fat weeb cope. Have a great morning!

debian+xfce is bliss for me.. sure systemd can be a pain, so can pulse but works decent enough

>>105957612
BTFO BSDKEK

>>105957604
Sorry the network spyware code from kekpassxc won't be included.

>>105957577
>Hey updoooter!
that's me
>works on my machine
broken/mismatched packages on sid repos all the time, you may be fine with your system breaking at random intervals, I'm not. they are not joking with the "sid breaks your toys" crap

>>105957530 (OP)
>fortune pulled from the repos for not being culturally sensitive enough
>systemd

>>105957577
>Hey updoooter!
Anon, Debian software is years out of date. Older versions of GIMP, Kdenlive, and Plasma fucking suck.

>>105957537
no, it doesnt, you fucking retard

>>105957583
only bimbo sluts and faggots use mac, shut the fuck up

>>105957564
long time debian user here
>>stable is too old
correct
>>testing is too old
wrong
>>sid is completely unusable
this depends on whether the user is retarded or not
>>apt sucks
also agree

>>105957564
The truth nuke /g/ can't handle. Fedora won.

>>105957530 (OP)
>Ian "suicided"
>safe haven for pedos
>infestation of idpol ideologues
If you care for OG debian use Devuan, current day debian is redhat on a skinsuit.

>>105957530 (OP)
>>stable(tm)
Actually, no. Debian has become quite buggy. And slow. Run it for two months, maybe even less, and you'll realize.

>>105957583
>white men using mac

>>105957564
Stable is meant to be stable that why's old you fucking idiot.

>>105957968
>Fedora won.
I'm not interested in being IBM's beta tester.

>>105957530 (OP)
Based. It's the swiss army knife of distros yet still retard proof enough that frog posters can figure it out.
>>105957564
Testing gets updated like every week.
>apt sucks
maybe..
>>105958106
Based. I switched to Devuan after the drama. Waiting for Xlibre to hit the repos.

>>105957564
i have been using sid for years now. ever since i got rid of my nvidia card there have been no problems. i use btrfs and snapshots anyways so i can always recover.

>>105957530 (OP)
>doesn't have nicotine in repo
>doesn't have gtk-gnutella in repo
>Fedora does

When did Debian become stuffy CorpoLinux?

>>105958156
Debian has all sorts of bugs that just sit there after release.
But the best reason not to use it is that around a year/year and a half into the release you begin to feel the edges of using old software. Old problems you didn't even notice at release are glaringly in-your-face after you use something a bit more modern.

>>105958106
>pedos
The only based 'alternative sexuality'. Faggots are gay and roasties need to be humbled again.

can someone tell me if the backports work on devuan? i couldn't find anything on their site.

>>105958799
>But the best reason not to use it is that around a year/year and a half into the release you begin to feel the edges of using old software.
after using debian for a year, i agree. cracks start to appear after some time, specially in software. i havent tested testing, but stable is not that great for desktop.

>>105957564
Works on my machine and in production at work.

>>105958909
agree, this is because the linux ecosystem is a fast moving target and debian is slow moving by default

>>105958909
Yeah. I do a bit of Unity game development. The text is tiny because it won't scale on the older wayland protocols whereas more modern systems don't have that problem. GCC is stuck back in version 12. GIMP is still version 2. Firefox you're best using the binary from Mozilla because ESR gets *old*.
It's just a lot of little shit. I still love Debian and use it on shit I use once in a while (I have a little laptop I use when I go out to smoke cigars, Debian system is perfect for just web browsing) but it's not ideal for a main computer after a certain point.

>>105958253
So you'd rather be a canonical beta tester? Fucking cuck.

>>105958968
>this is because the linux ecosystem is a fast moving target and debian is slow moving by default
this is a great way to put that, it is not necessarily debian's fault or that it is bad, things have been moving too fast nowdays and debian with its proposed intend is left behind, while the roling realeses benefit better in todays scenario.

>>105959007
No, Debian is great for what it is. It has that development cycle for a reason (you don't *want* to do major updates on servers often) And you can use it as a general use system. I do at times because it's nice to have something dependable.
But the cracks do show after a certain point. There are workarounds (flatpaks, backports, distrobox) but they're not ideal.

>>105957530 (OP)
Debian is good, just boring. I know I'll always be welcomed home by Debian when my Arch or Gentoo PCs become too fussy to use.

>>105959084
I'm comfortable in a number of distros. I keep everything backed up with syncthing so it's trivial to hop to something else depending on my mood.
I've lost count of the number of times I've rage quit using something because of some minor annoyance just to jump back to Debian, even with its flaws. It's like homemade Linux comfort food.

>>105957530 (OP)
>no spyware
Did they remove systemd?

>>105958799
>Old problems you didn't even notice at release are glaringly in-your-face after you use something a bit more modern.
give 5 examples, I'll wait

>>105957530 (OP)
>That is no longer true, because Debian has changed its policy. In Debian 12, initially, the installer offered to install nonfree firmware whenever some hardware devices “needed” that.

>Since then, there has been another change for the worse. Debian now recommends preferentially a new installer program which, on most computers, installs all the nonfree firmware without even asking.

>It is no longer easy to install only the free packages of Debian. There are ways to request this, but they require specific knowledge. See Optionally Free Is Not Enough. In effect, Debian has become more like the other nonfree distros.

Doesn't fedora actually have a surprising number of CVE's despite being "stable and secure"?

>>105957530 (OP)
woketard garbage that managed to bully their only kde maintainer because he wasn't an alt-left communist troon.
The same distro that can't find maintainers anymore because leftists don't contribute or support the things they shill in twitter.

>>105957530 (OP)
> devuan
It used to be debian was for chuds, lol.

>>105957530 (OP)
Is Slackware still for chuds?
>benevolent dictatorship development model
>no systemd
>conservative by nature

>>105959589
>woketard garbage
sorry, I didn't updoot to that version, maybe in 10 years! Stay Stable(tm)

>>105957530 (OP)
debian is anti-white, they hate white people so much that they made most of them leave the project and now they struggle to maintain packages.
reminder that freaks do not actually work, they're like union representatives, they're here for the ideology and the beneftis, they never truly cared about getting shit done.
they're the ones who pushed the founder to suicide, they're not the ones harrassing white people
debian deserves to disappear

>>105957564
>stable is too old
works on my machine
>testing is too old
works on my machine
>sid is completely unusable
works on my machine
>apt sucks
works on my machine

>>105960045
>my dick
works on your mom

>>105957546
wait whats that based on again?

>>105960214
Gotta understand, a distro is no longer based off the work of woke trannies if you change the name and replace the init system with something older
If you want a chud system, better to go with something like OpenMandriva

>>105959560
meant to say Debain ffs

>>105957530 (OP)
If you have a bar where a known pedophile hangs out, and everyone welcomes him there and defends his right to be there, isn’t it a pedophile bar?

>>105957530 (OP)
reinstall every two months

>>105958799
>Debian has all sorts of bugs that just sit there after release.
This every time. I love Debian in theory but actually using Stable on the desktop is an experience in cuckery.
>>105957968
Indeed.


If anything, pin the base system to testing, then pull selected packages (kernel, firefox) from unstable. Stable is a nightmare.

>>105957564
>sid is completely unusable
it depends on the user completely
>apt sucks
bro how

Why would I use a distro with no GUI updater, no kernel chooser, no GUI appstore, no timeshift included with no easy GUI installer.

I'm going to be getting a new framework 16 laptop soon and I'm going to install mint on it because it's a couple click installer and the OS just werks.

Also debians default spin of cinnamon is bloated and has too much garbage in it and the installer sucks really bad. Debians installer is garbage.

I like the cinnamon desktop and the mint tools like file renamer, library, usb image writer and formatter(which I'll use to easily install it on my laptop), libreoffice suite, backup tool, celluloid, etc

So I'll use linux mint since its released first for it and its supported and has a great range of apps.

KDE desktop has no real OS designed for it and its only available in arch linux as a vanilla.

Also discover sucks and is slow at installing packages.

XFCE sucks and is not anymore lightweight than cinnamon and the compositor sucks.

Gnome sucks, period because its barely even a usable desktop

So yeah I'm sticking to cinnamon and mint.

>>105959084
Boring is good. I want to focus on my work, I don't want surprises from my fucking os. That's why I use LTSC2021 and Debian.

>>105959510
Because normal users don't give a single fuck about non-free firmware and just want their PC to work.

>>105957583
fpbp

>>105957583
this

>>105957583
based