Thread 105972617

The hate it gets here seems entirely inorganic.

stinkpad users unfortunately suffer from delusional levels of nostalgia, sour grapes, sunk cost fallacy, and stockholm syndrome.

>>105972617 (OP)
fuck off linus buy an ad

Too expensive

>>105972617 (OP)
>24/7 framework threads
>inorganic hate
Maybe stop making threads every fucking hour and I wouldn't hate it

>>105972773
>>24/7 framework threads
Wrong.

>>105972617 (OP)
I think /tpg/poorfags are just mad their general is dead and people are moving on to Framework.

>>105972617 (OP)
buy an ad

>>105972813
There's literally two up right now. It's always the same stupid arguments thrown around too. You guys used to always post frame.work which my filters caught but now I gotta filter frame(work|shit) too because you stupid fucks won't shut up about it.
What's REALLY inorganic is framework threads constantly popping up with the same shitty stock photos and no one actually owning one.

>>105972617 (OP)
I don't hate them as such but they do seem like a scam. The idea of a modular or user-serviceable laptop doesn't make much sense when there is no great market of third-party laptop parts all compatible with common standards, the way desktop computer parts are.

>>105972617 (OP)
It's onions and not utilitarian like the old IBM thinkpads, it's repairable so it can appeal to hipsters and trannies that want to save the planet, also overpriced as fuck, a MacBook is unironically a better deal

>>105972617 (OP)
that one retard put like 200k dollars into it (literally nothing for a company like this) and now ever fa/g/g/ot thinks he owns it for some reason

>>105972960
>What's REALLY inorganic is framework threads constantly popping up with the same shitty stock photos and no one actually owning one.
I'm still waiting for mine to fucking ship.

>>105972979
>when there is no great market of third-party laptop parts all compatible with common standards
what is sodimm
what is wlan

>>105973809
expandable memory is cringe. it's a relic of a time when computers used to cost $2000+ in 1999 money. HBM is the future whether you like it or not.

i owned one when it first came out, 11th gen intel. it sucked and had tons of issues and i returned it

i tried it again when they came out with amd chips. it sucked still, with less issues than the intel. i returned it too. and it took a fucking month to get my money back this time.

>>105974008
>globohomo.jpg
He's literally the only Indian in the company you retard.

>>105974018
>SAAR DO NOT REDEEM SAAR
close your browser Rapesh, your ESL is showing

>>105973882
>trust me goy, make that purchase. you will absolutely not need to buy a new laptop in 5 years when we double memory usage on everything through bloat and telemetry.
mother earth would benefit from having less plastic waste in a landfill

>>105974018
I love when retards call other people retards. You don't even know what you're talking about and you would (should?) be embarrassed if you knew. Very poor attempt at looking smart. You're pathetic actually.

>>105972617 (OP)
No WWAN

>>105974065
>No WWAN

>>105974054
im runnin fine with 8GB memory although it might've cost me a job at a startup because i couldn't run their severely bloated web frontend

>>105974044
>>105974063
Finally, /g/ shows their true colors and reveals that they're really just /pol/-lite.
You dislike Framework for the sole reason that you hate non-whites and for no other reason.
As a fellow non-white (Polish), I disrespect you for that.

>>105974054
>implying you're not going to upgrade anything else aside from memory in 5 years

>>105974099
i literally just told you that the laptop had lots of issues. do you not have reading comprehension or are you just so invested in showing /g/ how much of an angry virgin you are?

>>105974151
>the laptop had lots of issues
You /tpg/ refugees always say this, but you can never seem to say what the "issues" are exactly...

>>105972770
pretty much this. cheapest option configured is like $1000. price is fine compared to high end options but theres a fuckload of people who dont need/want high end when a $200 laptop gets job done. there's just not a big market for this. very niche. it would be great if all laptops became modular like pc but thats not gonna happen

>>105972617 (OP)
I have one and like it. 3:2 screen, no problems with linux, has usb-A (if I want it to), keyboard and touchpad breddy gud.

>>105972770
whats a comparable value for a DIY build with a 1tb SSD 32GB ram, 3:2 or even 16:10 screen?

>>105974522
>>105974622
Cheapest prices to $938.
Ryzen 5 7640U / 8GB DDR5 / 250GB WD Black
There is a very similarly specced Lenovo IdeaPad 1 for $579
https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-100/ideapad-1-gen-7-15-inch-amd/82vg00myus

And that's with the DIY option for the Framework, not prebuilt. Just to give you an idea of how expensive this shit is. It's genuinely not worth it since even Framework laptops don't let you swap out the CPU without buying a new motherboard ($379 is the cheapest), which isn't even that much more expensive than just buying a new laptop entirely.

>>105974667
*much more cheaper
It's around a $200 price difference.

>>105974667
try harder

>>105974684
What is there to say? The majority of people (including me) would not pay an extra $300 just for a higher resolution display.

I got a Framework 13 7640U DIY for $800 with:
1TB WD SN7100 for $70
Crucial ram 2x16GB for $70
AX210 WLAN for $20
100W Baseus charger and 2M right angle uGreen cables for $40
So $1,000...
I don't think that's that bad since I'm happy with it.
I've spent much more on laptops that I ended up not liking.

I've owned pretty much every X/T/P series ThinkPad model since the X220/T420/W520.
Modern ThinkPads just suck, either I'm really unlucky or the new ones have really bad QC and just poor construction.

It would be cool if Framework would retrofit old ThinkPads with new motherboards. I would like an X230 with a Ryzen CPU.


>>105974712
You can get the 2.8K 120hz panel (NE135A1M-N61) on eBay for $120 if you wanted to save money.

>>105972617 (OP)
because they feel dumb for having bought an overpriced, ugly Chinkpad

>>105972960
>no one actually owning one
lol ok bro post your laptop
I don't buy framework because it's the most economically sensible decision.
People on /g/ have jobs. A lot of us make 6 figures. It really isn't that serious of a decision.
I bought it because it moved the needle and forced companies that are not Microsoft to seriously consider repairability as a selling point and not an afterthought.
It's also nice to be able to just buy the fucking parts I need and not go through a designated shitting call center.

My friend has an MSI gaming laptop with one (electrically) broken key.
You know how much microcenter charged to repair it? $460.

>>105972617 (OP)
i don't know, the debate is long settled

good idea
bad prices
questionable quality

>board that hates Macs
>expect /g/ to like a laptop that does almost all the retarded Macbook shit like:
>a crappy chiclet keyboard that's almost smaller than the retarded trackpad
>no nub
>no mouse buttons
>only 4 ports and one is wasted just for charging it
>no liquid protection
>can't swap the battery without opening the whole damn thing

threadly reminder

>>105972617 (OP)
I've had the 13 inch AMD 7840U for 6 months now. Best laptop I've owned so far.

Used to use a Thinkpad X1C Gen 6 before that.

>>105975749
these prices are very region based.
where I live it's more expensive to diy a framework than it is to get a prebuilt thinkpad.

>>105972617 (OP)
Well I checked their website few times and there was no option not to buy windows together with it. Formally it was there, but then you would then receive laptop in completely disassembled state and would have to manually insert every screw.

>>105972617 (OP)
I don't like jeets thats the only reason I won't buy one. Just knowing a jeet made it means it will be shit the only thing jeets do well is smell and scam

>>105975843
>tfw I dont live in Shenzhen

>>105975965
this. just send me the fucking thing with no OS it's not hard

The problem I see is that it's hard to compete value wise with buying a new laptop and selling the old one compared to buying a framework and upgrading it

>>105976080
resell value is overrated unless you're a macfag and you can get some unemployed femoid to pay you 60% of the sell price

>>105972617 (OP)
Fuck off no one likes your product

>>105974075
>antennas are external
Might as well get a WWAN dongle.

>>105975965
>he's expected to do a wagie's job for free

>>105976096
I do

>>105974065
I don't get the appeal. Unless your company pays for the phone bill, why would you ever need it when you already own a phone?

Framework, like fairphone and other such failed niche companies pretend to not understand that we want modular "repairable" products for practical reasons, not ecologist ideology.

Price and availability is KEY.

Desktops being modular is only good because they offer by far the best price and have very high availability.
Other laptops are 20-50% cheaper with the same specs and better build compared to framework. They'll also arrive in 1-2 days, while framework takes weeks to even ship, then has to arrive from abroad, assuming it's in stock at all (they mostly are not).

had to check. guess their ethernets still sticks out. ick

>>105972617 (OP)
>Is there a reason /g/ has a hateboner for Framework laptops?
It's the same reason why /g/ has a hateboner for anything apple.

>>105975133
>japanese characters
>windows
you have to be 18 to post

>>105977211
>this is the power of modularity

>>105975749
it's known that thinkpads and xps plus are the most expensive lines, so of course if you compare to them it'll be around the same price point

>>105977211
The fucking Ethernet module is the worst designed piece of shit on the entire planet. If you're not careful, the little metal clips at the top will go underneath the plastic retaining clip on the Ethernet and it will get stuck because there's nothing stopping it from going above them.

>>105977211
>>105977565
>>105978800
That's not even their official module, that's some DIY shit made by some anon.

>>105975749
>he thinks the jeets on /tpg/ buy their thinkpads for more than $200

>>105978922
???
exact same issue, nothing stopping the plastic tab from going up past the metal retaining clips

>>105972617 (OP)
I don't know about /g/ but I hate lipo, the least framework could have done, to ease this, is use multiple lipos like cells instead.

>>105972617 (OP)
Use case for laptops? I'm in my mid 30's so I don't need one for university, remote work is better from a desktop PC anyway, and it's not like you can see what's on the screen outside, because e-ink screened laptops don't exist.

>>105975133
>lol ok bro post your laptop
Asus vivobook s14 oled. $700 on ebay.
>People on /g/ have jobs. A lot of us make 6 figures. It really isn't that serious of a decision.
"Us" lol. Making 6 figures doesn't exclude you from buying an overpriced product. I was really into framework until I saw their build quality and shitty firmware updates. They compare themselves to the top tier products like >>105975749 so kindly pointed out while having build quality similar to acer shit.
>I bought it because it moved the needle and forced companies that are not Microsoft to seriously consider repairability as a selling point and not an afterthought.
You can grandstand whatever point you want, that doesn't make the laptop a good deal. I can crack my bezel and buy an entirely new laptop for the price of one framework and replacement part.

>>105979767
>and it's not like you can see what's on the screen outside
My Framework 16 with 4K 800-nit swapped LCD disagrees.

>>105980379
>Asus vivobook s14 oled. $700 on ebay.
It's cheap because no one wants it despite the fake paid reviews.
Frameworks on eBay actually sell for high prices because there's demand and people actually want them.

>>105980585
refractive LCD isn't readable in sunlight, at all.

>>105972617 (OP)
just get an asus zenbook 14 oled with 285h. it will have better battery life, better performance, better display, for cheaper

>>105975133
>windows
HAHAHHAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAH

>>105972617 (OP)
idk i think their products are good, but they have terrible customer support, they just didn't ship my order because my bezel was not in their stocks, and they didnt tell me about that until i send them a ticket.

cancelled my order, because this was really a bad experience

>>105980585
>It's cheap because no one wants it
Kek. I'd bet my left nut asus sold more vivobooks than framework's entire lineup put together.
>Frameworks on eBay actually sell for high prices because there's demand and people actually want them.
Delusional. 2nd hand framework market is full of dissatisfied customers trying to recoup cost. Anyone who likes framework does exactly what you did, buy over market value because they support the message or goal.
2nd hand market is how I got my laptop for half the price of a framework. Once you have a 50% price difference there is no argument you can make that justifies a framework.

>>105977183
Framework is going for the low sales, high profit margin business. Hence why the aggresive shilling by Linus because it's much cheaper to get shilled by one guy. Nirav couldn't give less of a crap about availability since that means much higher budget needed to hire service crew/salesmen/running local ads across the world which equals much less profit margin.

>>105975965
Ah, the, "You want Windows? Fuck you." option.

>>105975965
>>105976070
>>105976952
>>105982842
If you don't want Windows, then choose the DIY option.

>>105972617 (OP)
> Is there a reason /g/ has a hateboner for Framework laptops?
I'm not sure.

>>105983454
holy shit, he's just like me

>>105977559
Japanese keyboards actually suck for programming.
I'm just using it because of buyers remorse.

>>105980379
I don't think I ever said anything about caring about a good deal. Before I had a Framework I had a ThinkPad W530 with the 5 year extended warranty and on-site repair.
Replacing your snsv shitbook is not a substitute for repairing it. If you've ever done anything you consider important on your computer you'd recognize that.
Or you might as well use a fuckin Chromebook and chain yourself to the cloud.

>>105980809
I used Fedora for 3 years and came out knowing more about Linux than you do. It fucking sucks. You'll grow up one day.

To anyone who actually has a framework 13 (ideally with the 2.8k screen and 61wh battery, running linux) what kind of battery life do you get?

>>105984921
8 hours

>>105972617 (OP)
all they had to do was make a laptop with the same dimensions as the x61 with either a 4:3 or 3:2 screen, but they didn't

>>105984849
>I don't think I ever said anything about caring about a good deal
price is the only thing that matters dipshit, it's a monetary value of time
>Replacing your snsv shitbook is not a substitute for repairing it
There's 3rd party stores for oem hardware online. I could even buy another laptop and use it as a donor if I really wanted to. Still cheaper than a framework topkek. You failed to repair a fucking thinkpad of all things, I'm guessing because they didn't have the picture books on how to upgrade your ssd like framework does?
>chromebook
Funny you mention that, because the framework chromebook was still more expensive than my laptop. Hell even a brand new m4 macbook air is cheaper and it's not a fucking chromebook.

>>105985118
lenovo used to make laptops that fit on the same footprint as a piece of A4 paper. even just that but now nobody does. every retarded zoomer just wants the sloppiest 14-16 inch 16:9 screen to consoom.

It looks crappy and the concept of modular ports is moronic. Maybe it should have 1 or 2 "modular slots" but USB-C for power, USB-A and HDMI should be hardwired.

>>105975133
Framework DIY costs a lot more. Used stinkpads and similar will end up costing less in the long run. Or you could just buy another unit and it will still be cheaper than buying FW parts.
>My friend has an MSI gaming laptop with one (electrically) broken key.
>You know how much microcenter charged to repair it? $460.
His fault for buying a gaming laptop. That or he's just being scammed since majority of consumers are assumed as idiots by these companies.

>>105979767
early 30s here, software dev - i still like using my desktop for sure - but you can't beat a laptop for true portability. i use it to work in different rooms in the house sometimes, also allowed me to take extended trips without losing PTO. like i spent a week at a buddies, worked during the day, fucked around during the night, nbd.
in a few small instances i've done basic graphic design, photo, or video work, it's just easy to take a laptop and show and collab.

>>105976091
The other anon said it's cheaper to just sell an old non Framework laptop than to buy upgraded parts for Framework laptops.

>>105985181
There are no products that maintain the portability of gaming laptops while also offering performance.
>framework 16
Ass cooling. Doesn't even pretend to be high performance
>thinkpads
Ass price/performance

The real stinker here is that we are not living in 2016 anymore. 1080p gaming has been unlocked by Intel Iris Xe integrated graphics, as long as the cooling isn't dogshit.
You used to be able to make the argument that gaming laptops offer a poor value judgement considering you couldn't even really game on them.
But now you can. It's not really your judgement call to make.

>>105984849
>I used Fedora for 3 years and came out knowing more about Linux than you do. It fucking sucks. You'll grow up one day.
NTA, can you elaborate? I just swtiched to Linux.

>>105985208
Thanks anon. I always preferred compartmentalizing work away from life stuff (separate user account on my PC even though I only used it to remote desktop into my work PC which was far beefier), and I even had a strict "don't fucking bother me outside of work hours" policy. PTO didn't factor into it in the slightest, it's regulated differently in my country.
I left the industry since then, the whole white collar thing is not good for my mental health, nor physical health for that matter.

>>105983152
Yes, that's what I said, nobody will choose it, even me. They are pushing windows on their clients.

>>105975133
Lmao he actually fell for the framework meme

>>105975133
Why the fuck did you buy an overpriced laptop like the Framework and not use a decent OS? The only people I see hyped about these are people working on things like OpenBSD. But even they lean hard on not buying one and getting a thinkpad instead. Modern thinkpads might not be as good as the old ones but they're still easy to repair and add parts to.

I looked at the framework and it's dumb. They're getting you to pay double the hardware is worth. Plus the "modules" thing is stupid. They claim you can swap stuff around as your needs change. But your needs won't change after you initially set it up. Plus now you're stuck buying their modules instead of being able to pick up cheap parts second hand from ebay and from chinks. There will also be far less second hand parts out there.

I'm sure they will go out of business at some point and leave you holding the bag. Or they'll do what all these companies do and produce overpriced bullshit for the next 10 years getting worse and worse as time goes on. Until they're basically the same as all other laptops at double the price.

I don't understand why all these companies offering Linux friendly laptops are so retarded and overpriced. All we want is something with open firmware at $500 or so. If someone did that they'd sell a bunch without having to shill.

Where is my fucking laptop with a trackball?

>>105975133
Your purchase probably does convince Lenovo to lean back to using SODIMM ram for their latest Thinkpad.
Thanks for your sacrifice

>>105986123
>SODIMM ram
This is why I bought an older thinkpad the last time I upgraded my laptop. It has soldered RAM but it still has a slot if you want to add RAM in. So I waited until one with the 16GB soldered RAM popped up then I added another 16GB in the slot. I figure 32GB will serve me find for a long time to come.

I hate this slim fad with laptops. The last thinkpad I got isn't that bad but if they get any thinner I'll refuse to buy another one. I want a fat laptop with a water proof case and a mechanical keyboard+trackball. The nipple is okay but it just isn't the same.

>>105986123
I was waiting for framework to come out with CAMM memory but apparently it's harder than it sounds. They passed it up on the desktop because it's not fast enough for AI memes

I have a HX 370 with 128 gigs ram and 4tb ssd. Why? I don't know, I use it like a couple times a week.

>>105986978
>HX 370 with 128 gigs ram
How is the performance? Memory bandwidth?

The hardware sucks. Overpromise, underdeliver as always. It took them two and a half years to fix the thermal locking on mine which made it useless for anything but web browsing.

>>105987567
Nirav Patel claims that he's not overcharging RAM/SSD in the Linus Framework shill video yet he clearly does on his website. On top of that, even the Framework shills here call me a faggot for not buying the RAM/SSD separately.
Bitch lasagna

>>105986084
framework doesnt have open firmware btw

>>105988763
>Framework shills here call me a faggot for not buying the RAM/SSD separately.
Do you buy your desktop motherboards with the ram and SSD pre installed?

For the people saying to get a ThinkPad instead, can you explain why the keyboards are so fucking shit on them now?
The modifier keys and space bar are always loud as fuck and clacky.

>>105989054
>loud as fuck and clacky
Mines not. They're nothing compared to what my desktop keyboard sounds like.
>why are they fucking shit
Because they're chasing the thin laptop meme

>>105988919
>framework doesnt have open firmware btw
lmao yet another reason not to buy it. It's bad enough with thinkpads.

>>105972617 (OP)
>indian CEO
>no delivery to Switzerland