>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
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Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (13/14th gen -K CPU BIOS update required)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: Acer XV271U M3, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>105940279

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

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>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super specs: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview?usp=sharing

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>>105977002 (OP)
curved screens are so gay

Have you bought your Youtuber prebuilt yet?

I want a GPU for playing Total War Warhammer 3 on ultra settings 1080p low 1% all above 60fpfs

>>105977002 (OP)
>Acer XV271U M3
Can someone tell me why this monitor is specifically recommended?

>>105977079
It's one of the better $200 1440p gaming monitors (response times, brightness, & image quality) since the Dell G2724D is out of production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__WHIe_KPXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FF42JtnDUI

>>105977018
>shadow bolt
>flash heal
couldn't even bother with the correct rgb colors huh?

>>105977063
1080ti

>>105977108
Both of these are not available for me in Europe. Are there any alternatives?

>>105977212
Maybe the LG 27GS75Q-B if it's on sale.

my best friend is looking to build a pc and he asked me for help. last time a built a gaming pc was pre pandemic, so i'd like some feedback from you autists.
budget is 2000 euros in germany.
i was thinking rx 7900 xtx with a ryzen 7 9800xd. 32gb ram and 750w psu should do.
is that reasonable? there anything i need to look out for?

>>105977322
thats literally my build right now. it runs everything at 4k 100+ fps.

>>105977322
Get the 9070 XT; the slight raster performance advantage of the 7900 XTX isn't worth the added cost.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/389nTW/xfx-quicksilver-radeon-rx-9070-xt-16-gb-video-card-rx-97tqickb9

9070 XT Prime or Hellhound if you want something quieter.
>VRAM
By the time the 16GB VRAM ever becomes an issue, the GPU itself will be too weak to run games at a high quality & performance.

>wanted to RMA my razer viper because the mouse wheel just inputs random shit
>detach it for a day and about to send it back
>try it one last time and the wheel works fine after being out of power for a day, but only for a while until the issue starts coming back
ffuuuu i cant RMA it because theyre gonna figure it works fine when they test it

>>105977376
Include that detail in the RMA note?

>>105977379
yeah i guess i could but iirc this store is full of dickheads so it may be a costly mistake. i may be able to just fix it with alcohol instead

>>105977365
>9070 XT Prime or Hellhound if you want something quieter.
I wanted the Hellhound so bad, but that thing costs 780€ here. Grabbed a Pulse for 717€, at the cost that the VRAM doesn't overclock a single MHz without suffering degraded performance. What a shit show of a lottery, good lord.

>>105977353
>>105977365
ty frens

>>105977018
All of these RDNA3s and even a 2 hurts to look at.

>plug new monitor into gpu
>start pc
>system crashes at windows log in (black screen, keyboard not working)
>restart
>error code 00
>restart
>memory starts retraining
>everything works, but now my ram rgb stays on when i enter sleep mode
>try to reflash same bios version
>reset all settings
>reinstall windows
>nothing works, ram still stays on in sleep
what happened? 9800x3d is kill or about to be kill? maybe mobo is kill?

>>105977471
You don't need more. You think you do but you don't

>>105977550
the shadowbolt pc is worse than ps5/xbox yet costs almost 2x as much

>>105977536
Ram RGB on in sleep is default behaviour
If you don't want that, use an RGB software

I have a used 6800XT Red Dragon that I want to sell. What is a fair price for this card today?

>>105977576
but i've been using this system for 4 months now and the ram would always turn off in sleep mode. whatever's going on started happening today

>>105977616
then try looking in your bios if there's any setting that controls aura rgb behavior

>>105977632
there are, but they aren't affecting the ram anymore at all

>>105977614
Might be able to get around $400, $500 is too close to cards like the 5070.
>VRAM
It isn't a good enough argument.

>>105977636
reinstall your ram then

>>105977677
tried that, swapped positions too and there's no change

>>105977724
take the L and use an rgb software then

>>105977550
I need more and use more
I'm sorry

>>105976667
>sup, rate my build getting it this friday https://pcpartpicker.com/list/szFbYd
>it's actually a bit cheaper for me at $1020


>>105976920
>Why do you want 32 bit CUDA and PhysX?
older games. 5060 for example sucks in Alice McGee and Batman Arkham: it offloads physics to CPU. Also like I said gigabyte 5060 leak cum and other 5060 are +$100 here
>What a retarded reason to stay on an old platform.
I've been upgrading it since windows XP. It
s older than you, probably. It has a particular balance for VR shit and stuff for my other tasks that I do not dare disrupt too much
also I don't see AMD being faster within my budget
>B650 + 9600 + 32GB DDR5
I've just calculated in local prices and it's $360 Intel vs $660 AMD, pretty significant difference in price for marginal bonus in performance
>That's several years of upgradability.
I only upgrade once every 8-10 years anyway, this is about as much performance gain and money as my last upgrade was in 2017
>I don't know where "here"
Balkans, I buy from ebay and amazon US alright it just takes a month and %33 customs fee, so I'd rather pick B-tier PSU that is available in stock

>>105977365
I have a 9800x3d and im looking to get a new GPU to go along with it, at the microcenter near me there is an asrock 7900xtx for 720$ open box and refurbished with some manufacturer warranty still on it. Should I go for that when i also see an open box for a non-refurbished xfx 9070xt at 740$?

>>105978058
I'd get the 9070 XT unless you're 100% certain you're never going to use FSR4 and you're going to be fine gaming @ lower RT settings.
Modded FSR4 for 7900 XTX only works on Linux so far and there's a significant performance penalty to using this over fully supported FSR3.1

>>105978058
>xfx 9070xt at 740$
Is that without tax? That's expensive as hell.

>>105978058
Either would be fine. They're pretty much the same shit. FSR4/DLSS4 isn't bullet proof either like retarded YouTube watchers here. Optiscaler shows that Xess2 and open source modded dlls perform better since you have manual control vs automatic.

is hdr for gaming a meme?

>>105978112
>FSR4/DLSS4 isn't bullet proof either like retarded YouTube watchers here.
Nah, FSR4 looks infinitely better than FSR3. The difference is staggering, especially in motion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m05yE_-X7uY&t=4454s
Eh? What's this? I haven't heard about RDNA4 having problems with raytracing lately. Because I don't use AMD, haw haw!

>>105978156
Most game developers don't put enough effort into their HDR settings.
Sometimes there's janky gammy interaction with Windows HDR + game dev HDR enabled.
It requires a bit of modding.
https://www.nexusmods.com/cyberpunk2077/mods/13912
https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx
https://github.com/clshortfuse/renodx/wiki/Mods

can we run toy story in real time on a rtx 5090 now? what about jimmy neutron?

>>105978255
some UE4 games don't clear their shader cache properly when swapping/DDUing gpus since they store it outside of the appdata folder. its a dev issue.

>>105978255
the issue might be that amd needs to lobby game devs on unreal to write their software to work better for their drivers

>>105978156
>>105978264
How come some games use Windows/console's settings for HDR, while others have their own plethora of settings to tweak? For example in both Final Fantasy 16 and Returnal you merely turn HDR on and that's it - perfect picture, no tweaking necessary, no need to fuck around with white points, saturation, highlights, nothing. They use Windows settings and that's that.

does a CPU that can keep up with picrel even exit?

>>105978631
sure, 9800x3d but you need to turn on 1080 upscaled to 4k, path tracing and then interpolate frames

>>105978631
in what games
iirc some game benchmarks with 9800x3d still didn't hit the cpu bottleneck

>>105978631
Threadripper Pro 9995WX

>>105978631
Such a CPU will exist in 4 years time

>>105978631
The aspect ratio of the GPU in that image is extremely misleading.
My 5090 literally looks like it's twice as long as that one. That looks like the size of my old 3080. I wouldn't be surprised if it's a picture of an older GPU and they photoshopped 5090 on top of it

>>105978786
That GPU is a shooped 4090

Looking to play vrol vr on my used workstation. It has barely enough space for a 2-slot gpu. And only one 8 pin pcie power connector.
My 1660 ti is struggling. Is there anything under $600 in australia?

the hdr is so good on the m27p6 that im keeping it on permanently..even on the desktop

>>105978939
>ips miniled
hm.
do you feel the need to avoid having black backgrounds. I imagine the mouse cursor blooming looks bad if you move it around with the miniled on low contrast panel

>>105978939
dont you get eye fatigue from white backgrounds

>>105978984
nope. i don't know if you've ever used a mini led ips before, but there is a "browning" and temp shift of dark or white areas due to the blooming, and on my gm001j it looked so awful that i had to turn hdr off on the desktop. on this one it's more than tolerable. also because the dimming zones seem to track objects faster, it's barely noticeable

>>105979039
the only time i have ever had eye fatigue/strain when using a monitor was like over a decade ago when i upgraded from a 1080p monitor to 1440p. since then nothing bothers me or causes any issues. no issues with oleds either.

>>105977322
9070 XT or 5070 Ti. He doesn't need to pay the X3D tax if he's playing at 1440p or 4K. A 750W PSU will be enough, but I would go for 850W if the price difference is insignificant.

What is the difference between a regular hard drive and a NAS hard drive? Can I use them interchangabally? I was planning on building a nas next year but I just got a warning that one of my drives might be dying and want to replace it before I lose my data. Could I get this one and use it in my computer until I build my nas and then move it over? Is this a good drive choice in the first place? If not do you have any alternatives for something under 200 with at least 10tb of space?

>>105978984
Thirdie here, I found some very cheap timetec rams, does anyone know if they are any good? Never heard of the brand before.
https://www.amazon.com/Timetec-PC4-25600-CL16-20-20-40-Overclocking-Compatible/dp/B09T311LNN/

>>105978984
didn't mean to reply, sorry

>>105979150
It should be fine, run some stress tests before you enable XMP to confirm you got a working set.
You want to be able to return faulty kits and not rely on their RMA.

>>105979146
NAS drives make so much noise they'le drive you crazy. They all have this PWL protection so they last a very long time, but this feature makes them move every 5 seconds when idling, so you hear this very loud *thump* every 5 seconds.
Also from what I've read, and I might be entirely wrong, they are also lazy at detecting bad sectors. I don't know what the implication is of this, but apparently raid controllers/software is supposed to deal with corrupted bits better than the HDD can themselves, so they throw smart errors later as to prevent degraded performance relocating sectors and whatnot.

>>105979146
It could be just marketing, but NAS drives are designed to run all the time.

>>105979150
is theres a good reason to buying ddr4 ram in large quantities
I'd rather go am5 and get ddr5

>>105979146
NAS drive is supposed to work 24/7,experience less spinups/shutdowns and is suposed to have a longer lifespan. it's usually also louder than a home drive
except none of that matters anymore because all the decent HDD manufacturers are ded and the current day shit has the same piss poor quality on every production line

>>105979224
>except none of that matters anymore because all the decent HDD manufacturers are ded and the current day shit has the same piss poor quality on every production line
Not tru. Ultrastars are extremely reliable still. Seagate is the one that's constantly releasing crap.

>>105979201
I'm broke, and spic, I can't go to am5 yet.

>>105979146
Enterprise drives are built to last and they are built and stacked with memory like a tank but the problem is that they can be loud depending on the model and you have to kapton tape the pins before using it. Other than that they are excellent to use in a desktop rig.

>>105979146
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksgOgrbRPOo

If you want to see what PWL sounds like. They all sound different. Some sound more metallic, others sound like a hammer. There's a lot of variance between brand and model, with a little bit of lottery involved.

>>105979150
Looks like fairly generic 3200C16 so it could be anything under the hood. Should be fine on more recent DDR4 platforms (AMD 3000, Intel 12) but it'd be worth paying a little more for 2x32GB for a better chance of stability.

>>105979272
>Enterprise
What's the difference between NAS and Enterprise drives? Every brand seems to make the distinction but I can't figure out the difference.
Seagate:
- IronWolf Pro - NAS
- Exos - Enterprise

Toshiba:
- N300 - NAS
- MG10 - Enterprise

WD:
- RedPlus - NAS
- Gold - Enterprise

>>105979245
>Ultrastars are extremely reliable still
only because they're still using the old HGST plants. but they did cut some costs here and there

>>105979257
do you use the ram for something specific

>>105979278
Thanks for the info, I don't think that would bother me at all I wear headphones usually and even then I'm not very picky about sound.
>kapton tape the pins before using it
What the heck does this mean?

>>105979316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgJ6YolLxYE&t=732s

Seagate is such a joke. The company I work at only buys Seagate because they're dirt cheap, but the failure rate... MAN!

>>105979320
Gayman, I currently have 2x8gb, but one of them is 2666 and the other is 3200 KEK, so I wanted to at least even the frequencies.

>>105979310
NAS are typically for home servers/personal backups, enterprise drives are servers/businesses. NAS is optimized for raid and should just werk. They are also pretty quiet for what they are. Cons being they have lower endurance, speed, and limited warranty in case it fails.

Enterprise drives are pretty much the best money can buy, longest shelf life and endurance, better firmware, still raid optmized, but they can be loud as fuck which may turn some people off. They can be loud depending on what you get (higher RPM = more noise) but I personally use enterprise drives since they last forever and are massive. I personally use a x16 exos and a 12tb hitachi ultrastar for years without issues and they are pretty fucking fast. As fast as cheap sata ssds. You have to consider your use-case and trade-offs before choosing between a enterprise or a home NAS drive. Ask ChatGPT or something to help you research.

>>105979330
Most enterprise drives use a pin that's not in a regular PC motherboard so if you plug it in, you won't see it in your BIOS since it's not powered. The solution is to kapton tape (special type of electrical tape) the third pin of the power pins on the drive itself so it forces the PC to recognize and power the drive. Most HDDs ive bought included it.

>>105979377
the faster ram should downclock to match the slower one automatically

I wouldnt stress about buying new shit until you upgrade to am5, there going to ddr5 at least gives you a little bit more fps for gaming.

>>105979310
Mostly certification and warranty. BigCorp has to buy the Golds because WD won't honour Red+ warranties on their 64-bay racks. Conversely, you shouldn't buy Golds because there's so many "refurbished" units out there. There /are/ some technological differences like vibration damping or helium filling but you're not going to notice that stuff on a 6-bay NAS.

>>105979392
>Most enterprise drives use a pin that's not in a regular PC motherboard so if you plug it in, you won't see it in your BIOS since it's not powered. The solution is to kapton tape (special type of electrical tape) the third pin of the power pins on the drive itself so it forces the PC to recognize and power the drive. Most HDDs ive bought included it.
If you're talking about Power Disable I know at least WD sells both SATA variants with and without that feature. You need to check the SKU ID.
Toshiba on the other hand does not sell that feature on SATA drives at all, only SAS.

>tfw turning on rtx hdr for every game that doesn't natively have hdr
glorious

>>105979405
That makes sense, but if that's the case why are IronWolves more expensive than Exos?

>>105979444
I own a Radeon and that's the only thing I wish I could have. Window auto HDR is so garbage, there's no point in using it at all.

>>105979351
Seagate CEOs probably live by "bigger/higher means better"
higher failure rate? cha-ching!

>>105979479
specialk is pretty good too, that should work for you in most games

>>105979446
Like I said, if you're just going on PCPP and hitting "sort by lowest" there's a good chance the cheapest enterprise drives are used goods (whether marked as such or not). Or it could just be the vagaries of a commodity market; Exos are cheaper this week because MoreCoCo got a batch they want to shift. Next week it'll be JinJang Electronics with some Ultrastars.

Should I get the 240hz asus woled now, or wait a couple months for the gigabyte mo27q28g which is supposed to be $100 cheaper and better.

I was researching because I wanted to upgrade. I'm not normally a wait for next gen guy, but with it being planned for release so soon I'm finding myself a bit indecisive

>>105979600
>mo27q28g
This is very interesting. I'd wait for it merely for this change alone. Text clarity is very important for me. Also TrueBlack 500 sounds great as well.

>>105979479
you need gamebar bwo.
without it all auto hdr defaults to 0% nits

>>105979479
AMD relies heavily on Gamebar for CPUs and GPUs.

>>105979697
>without it all auto hdr defaults to 0% nits
But the brightness is fine, it's the colors that become ultra saturated.

Does framegen work a lot better on Blackwell than Ada? I keep seeing comments on here, random forums, and Reddit (I'm a retarded trans person btw) about how framegen is like a 30% hit to performance when tested on a 4070 or something, but I test it myself with my 5070 and across literally every game I've tried regardless of resolution the performance hit is 0%-5% and to latency 5%-10%. This is at 2x, 4x is not a doubling of either. I am not cpu limited when doing this.
Is there an actual techtuber (not HUB or similar) that has covered this? Has Nvidia released anything on how framegen effects performance? Am I retarded and missing a major part of this? If it's running on tensor cores and that's the bottleneck how would that even be able to effect the base framerate that much?

>>105979954
Also using the same methodology smooth motion and lossless (single gpu, slider at 70%) I got roughly 20%-30% hit to performance, and a bit more to latency

Are these dark spots bent pins?

>>105980084
The ones on the top seem to be bent, around 4?

>>105979600
gigabyte has bad pixel refresh implementation and unless it works like it should will randomly fuck up your routine due to the forced 16h refresh
it wont be better than asus on this singular fact

>>105977018
>last gen amd cards
>last last gen amd card
>is this image 1yr+ old?
>$2300 for a 9700x/5070
>it's recent

>>105977322
Get a 9070xt instead and a 9600x. Don't even need to bother with a faster cpu than that unless you've got a 5080 or 5090

>>105978058
I would just wait 6 months for the 5070tis 24gb, 5070s 18gb, and 9080xt 32gb. You're going to feel cucked buying a 7900xtx in no time plus coomgenning is way more of a pain in the ass which negates the main reason to want 24gb of vram over 16gb

I'm old enough to remember when XFX made Nvidia cards

>>105980084
>>105980135
Looks like it would still seat

>>105980135
>>105980377
I'm asking because I've got a ram slot causing blue screens and throwing errors in memtest. I RMA'd the RAM thinking that was it as I had one stick seemingly fail but the other was alright, but now I've got both replacement sticks failing in that slot. It's possible that the mobo is faulty, but I noticed some sketchy pins recently when re-pasting, I don't know if it's debris or if I've bent them, I can't really see.

any recommendations for my 9070xt build bros ? im in between 7800x3d and 9800x3d , for 2k gaming the difference will be around 10-15fps , or should i wait 6 months for the zen 6

>>105980445
I don't think Zen 6 will be available so soon, Q3'26 at the earliest.
Get a cheaper CPU if you want to upgrade to a Zen 6 in the future.

>>105980415
Sometimes the mounting pressure of the CPU cooler can mess with memory stability, but don't overtorque it if your cooler doesn't have any kind of safety mechanism.

what is this kind of stand called? looking for one for my sensor panel

>>105980445
9800x3d + 9070xt is the goto combo

>>105980531
Interesting, I'm using the be quiet! Silent Loop 2 360mm and did do it up quite tight, I'll check that thanks.

>>105980555
Even mounting pressure is important (half/quarter turn, alternating sides for each turn).
My CPU lost like 5% benchmark performance because of uneven/improper cooler mounting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m05yE_-X7uY&t=4454s

AYYMDEAD CAN'T INTO RAYTRACING TECHNOLO/g/Y

>>105980625
nvidia cant into stable drivers

>>105980596
I find it a bitch to fit honestly, two screws either side and very awkward to get them in, maybe I fucked it up. I hope the pins aren't knackered.

>>105979954
>>105979968
Someone give me something to google or a link or something at least, I know at least one of you nerds knows at least where to find an answer to my question

>>105980671
I don't use frame gen.

>>105980714
you're missing out on the hallucinations

The displaygoy rated the G5 a 10/10 as the best gaymen display currently in the market
it's ogre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCXNvu8LWXQ

>>105980540
"Phone Stand"

>>105980945
thanks

so i'm torn between two mainboards
-Asus ROG Strix B650E-F Wifi
-MSI Pro B850-P Wifi

they both cost the same
the only big difference i see is the 5gb nw card vs 2.5 gb and wifi 6e vs wifi7 (wifi ain't important)
msi also has a spdif output
another difference i saw was that msi has 2 8 pin cpu connectors while asus only has 1 8pin and 1 4pin
is that a big difference ? cpu will be a 7800x3d

>>105981064
I'd never want to deal with ASUS customer service and I don't trust their BIOS. For me it's MSI. Literally never had a single problem in over 10 years with them.

>>105981064
>another difference i saw was that msi has 2 8 pin cpu connectors while asus only has 1 8pin and 1 4pin
>is that a big difference ? cpu will be a 7800x3d
Both boards can send enough current & power to kill that 7800X3D and Ryzen 9 CPUs.

>9070XT XFX Mercury OC
>5070Ti Gainward Phoenix GS V1

They are less than 100$ apart here.

Top end 9070XT vs one of the cheaper 5070 Ti. What the fuck do I choose?

>1400 nits of brightness in mhw
i am going to die of blindness

>>105981275
XFX Mercury if you don't care about CUDA, DLSS, and other NVIDIA stuff.

>>105981283
I told you to wear sunglasses, kek

>>105981275
Read the pixel fillrate in GPU-Z. Bigger number is faster gpu no matter what

Completed it on Intel Arc.

BWC.

>>105981493
>>105981500
What is your CPU

I want a dedicated work machine, to replace my current dual use of a gaming rig.
I need a lot of RAM but other requirements are quite modest.

CPU: At least as fast (both single and multi) as my current i7-8700k.
RAM: 64GB, ideally with upgrade path to 96/128.
Storage: NVMe slot, ideally two.
GPU: No gaming, just need an iGPU that can drive two 4K60 monitors.

Small form factor would be nice, but only if it doesn't mean an expensive special PSU and thermal issues.
Budget: Not really sure. As little as possible while meeting the requirements and being reliable, I suppose.
Happy to build or buy.

If budget were a non-issue I'd just buy a Mac Mini, but can't justify the price of the high RAM models.
Many thanks in advance anons.

>>105981275
> They are less than 100$ apart here.
Not worth the shame of owning a Radeon. Only If it was 200+ I would take it in the ass.

>>105980445
> wait 6 months for the zen 6
two more weeks

>>105981605
What country?

>>105980445
I would get a 9600x, it won't even come close to bottlenecking a 9070xt. 9800x3d is a waste of money right now for gaymin

>>105981651
UK.

>>105981605
Just get a new i7 or """core 7 ultra""" and an itx board and buy 2 32gb sticks. Intels new naming scheme is so fucking gay but they do make better integrated graphics.

>>105981299
It's hard to not care about DLSS when every dev is forcing it.

>>105981684
Interesting. I'd kind of assumed any recent iGPU would be okay, and I'd heard AMD's iGPUs were actually better.

>>105979272
> they can be loud
The large capacity Helium filled ones are only loud when operating writes or reads and you can mitigate their characteristic clicks by installing them with noise dampening rubbers and preventing Windows from doing unnecessary scans on them. I recommend to also glue some noise cancelling material like neoprene to the side panels of the case to prevent resonance. Fast spinning HDDs without Helium fill are rather annoying buzz saws.

>>105980445
Most of the time even something like Ryzen 7700 won't bottleneck but there are always outliers where better CPU gives 20-30% more.

But 9800X3D is not worth it. Even with 5090 it's just 10% faster than 7800X3D. It's also hotter and needs 50% more power. And seem to have higher then average failure rate.

>>105977002 (OP)
OP's pic is solid example and proof that just because you have a lot of money doesn't mean that you're smart

>>105981773
They say that because of all the handheld gaming chips they make now. Intel is still better for actual work like video rendering.

>>105981824
>he isn't rocking a goonpod
>2025

>>105981662
Here's a basic build outline
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/dhZWsp
Some comments:
>SFF
This is costing you ~£150 over a cheap ATX/mATX setup. Mainly due to the motherboard selection in combination with needing 2x4k output. Up to you if that's worth it.
>CPU
Could scale this up if you want more grunt. Obviously it's already way faster than an 8700k.
>Cooler
Double check compatibility with whatever case you settle on.
>Motherboard
Cheapest SFF model I could find with 8k60 support. May require using the USB-C port though.
>Case
Placeholder. With no graphics card you could get away with something smaller but naturally that means more £/s/d.

>>105981831
Noted. To be clear, I just need two 4K desktops with smooth 60hz scrolling etc. Absolutely no games or video encoding or anything like that.

>>105976277
>docs are all in the cloud
>letting globohomo hold all your data for you, when you can keep it private
I know winblows scans your pc but jesus, at least make it a little difficult for the feds to monitor and harass you. I wouldn't keep my banking docs "backed up" in the cloud under any circumstances.

>>105980445
depends how often you are going to update various components, if you're going to sit on your pc for the next ~5+ years, get the 9800x3d for future proofing 100%, if you got your eyes set on a 10800x3d or something equivalent? then just get a cheap 7700x or 9600x or some shit, a decent motherboard, and wait for it to drop.

Anyone telling you not to get the 9800x3d because of current gen benchmarks and 'bottlenecks' are either shills or the worst kind of retarded autists who can't think outside their narrow scope of reality and shouldn't be allowed to post here. Get it if you don't want to deal with future upgrades for a long time. It'll age like fine wine then.

>>105981064
ASUS have their literal malware app Armory Crate, which you need to be able to use any lighting rgb stuff on your rig, and it'll probably secretly install itself anyway, and you'll need to jump through 20x hoops to get rid of it. So MSI. They also have a malware app, but its easy to get rid of.

>>105981275
if you want to not feel guilty about buying a gpu? go the XFX my last 2 amd gpus are xfx they're solid, if you want all the features and slightly higher perf, plus all the gimmick tech? go Njudea then. The price difference is miniscule here, unless you can find a lower-end model for the 9070xt.

I've never heard of a gpu shroud company called Gainward though, im sure they're terrible.

>enough money to buy parts if I wanted to
>not enough to buy it without thinking about it on the rare occurrence I feel like I should have done something else with it or maybe need it later
so this is what poverty feels like

>>105981064
just to add to this : what about vrm ?
could those become an issue on the msi board compared to the asus one ?

>>105981865
Many thanks anon, that's extremely helpful.
I'll agonise over the SFF decision for a while, might have a look at some small-ish mATX cases, etc.
I don't really absolutely need it small as I have enough space, it just feels annoying to have a huge case when I don't even need a graphics card.

>>105981931
Gainward is just Palit rebranded for EU.

>>105981944
The 7800X3D is hardcapped at 90W. You could power it with a hand crank.

>>105981989
okay ty

>>105981938
Honestly an OLED monitor and SSD are the only major night-and-day revolutions in computer hardware in the last 15-20 years.

>>105981938
High power computers are intrinsically valuable though. You wouldnt get 100% back obviously but a newish "competitive" rig would probably maintain a lot of its value in the short term

>>105981931
>I've never heard of a gpu shroud company called Gainward though, im sure they're terrible.
No#1 supplier in terms of volume, must be terrible, kek

>>105981949
you can buy both palit and gainward 5000 series here so u must be smoking fentanyl

>>105982026
>an SSD that's guaranteed not to shit itself if you don't babysit it is still nowhere near as cheap an equivalent HDD
>OLEDs just expire by design
We're hitting a dead end.

>>105982061
buying to plan to sell and lose at minimum 25% of value on everything very soonish would be really bad
I would not sell

>>105982026
yeah but you still need faster hardware to run the new slop

>>105982174
>ssd storage should be price matched to hdd so they suck
pointless take
>oleds expire
lcd also don't come with a decade warranty, they are not immune to breaking as you have been lead to believe

>>105982221
>um well actually LCDs can break so ur wrong
Absolute retard.

>>105981938
poverty is no money for parts
you've obtained enough money for critical thinking
the next stage is enough to see it's all pointless

>>105982174
OLED's only die if you are terminally online.
Just don't use a PC more than 5 hours and it should last 5x longer than the 24/7 burn-in tests.
Technically it's the exact same problem with SSD's, SSD's don't last longer than HDD's if they were written to constantly (but HDD's would probably still fail faster, it's more about cost effectiveness and being resistant to data loss, SSD's are being used on servers as a server cache because caches don't need backups and SSD's are faster, yet the SSD's still get burnt through with constant writing).

>>105981938
it's called being an adult

OLEDs all have 3 year burn in warranty and come built in with all sorts of annoying tech to prevent it happening just use it as you want and if it burns in use the warranty and get it replaced. You just have to pick which company's OLEDs you'll use.

>>105981947
Buy a aliexpress 12100f h610 combo $120
+ cpu fan ($20)
+ RTX 5050 ($250)
+ matx case $50
+ 2tb nvme $100
+ 64gb ddr4 ram $50
+ psu $50
$640 total
I understand that you don't want a GPU, but why not. it could technically game. But the 12100f does not have an IGPU.
Getting a 8600g APU would be more reasonable since it has a stronger IGPU, but still not close to a 5050 (BUT i think it's possible the motherboard might not support the CPU, depending on the motherboard, you would need to use a USB to upgrade the firmware).
If you don't mind a RAM downgrade to 32gb soldered, I suggest getting a AMD AI max 385 mini-pc from framework for around $1200~. The APU is similar to a 5050, but it's supposed to be for LLM's AI, you don't "really" want 64gb for AI because the model is going to run LLM's SLOW (with just 32gb it's already slow), but it's like 2x faster than a normal CPU because the AMD AI max has 2x more channels of bandwidth and fast ram, but the value is kind of bad, it's not better in bang per buck to a similar CPU+GPU, and the 395 is less justified, it makes the 5090 look good when it runs AI's like 5x faster (and the AI max has issues loading the full 24gb of GPU allocated memory, I think it's more like 16gb, which is probably ideal for AI token speed).

>>105982261
good thing to say to rile up lcd poorfags, about it
of course I would agree oled would have a shorter life span than lcd, but people act like lcds can't break either, which would render the whole cope useless
acting like electronics last forever is insane
lcds also can burn in btw, I have burned in lcd

>>105982272
already filled up with nihilism but I still wanna have fun

>>105982289
If I had more money I would have less anxiety, it's mostly about being too poor desu

How big of SSD drive should I pick as my boot one? And how much of a partition should be enough for Windows?

>>105982357
*I forgot to fix the ram to be $100, so it's like $700.

>>105982403
1TB minimum
don't bother partitioning

>>105982382
An LCD can last 2 decades of constant use with maybe a small repair along the way and still be perfectly usable. Any OLED will burn in much earlier, and you can't reasonably repair that.
"can" vs "will"
>lcds also can burn in btw
Generally you'd have to have a specific panel and go out of your way to achieve it. Usually it's just temp image retention worst case.

>>105982500
Why would you want to keep an LCD monitor for that long? The displays are getting better, at least every 5 years or so.

>>105982560
Because it just works
The idea that monitors need upgrades every 5 years is goysumer nonsense

>>105982357
I'm going to keep my current machine (8700k+32gb+2080ti) for gaming and general personal use.
The new machine is strictly for work so I just need an iGPU that can smoothly handle 4K desktop use. Anything more than that would be wasted.
I was looking at aliexpress cases, not sure about buying the actual hardware from them though.
>LLM
I don't need to use local models. My work does involve AI but we're only using remote models, no plans to use anything local.
The RAM is because I sometimes I need to run a whole lot of shit locally at the same time in order to have something comparable to the production stack, while also using RAM-hungry dev tools. I can mostly make it work with my current 32gb but would rather not have to think about it at all.

>>105982560
Better how? At melting your eyeballs with peak brightness? A 120hz+ panel at your preferred resolution/size is unlikely to become obsolete any time soon. And even if you decide to replace it, you'll still have a perfectly good secondary monitor.

>>105982629
>goysumer nonsense
Poorfag cope. A display is something you stare at whenever you use the PC.
If there is a new display with better image quality sold at a reasonable price, it's worth replacing.

>>105982650
As long as you buy 4k this is true

>>105982650
>peak brightness
HDR isn't just about peak brightness.

>>105982664
Nah it's not. It just works.
The new displays don't work and must be replaced. They literally cannot last which is why they are replaced.

>>105982646
Just buy a chink mini pc on amazon if this is just a 4k netbook for you anything recent should drive 4k on an igpu

>>105982688
>I'm poor so I'll settle with dimmer panels with less color volume.
Good for you.

>>105982698

Show me your 15,000 miniLED Local Dimming monitor

You own one right

>>105982705
You can get a solid 4K HDR IPS monitor for just $400 with over 1K local dimming zones.
Show us your IPS monitor worth owning for nearly 20 years.

>>105982147
Palit bought Gainward years ago they just keep the brand because it was popular in Europe. They use the same coolers but minimally different plastic shrouds.

anyone have a 9800x3d and 4090 or 5090 and willing to run some benchmarks?
trying to see if it would be fully retarded to upgrade my 5800x3d + 4090 to a 9800x3d

>>105982711
Yeah I could, it'd still work fine.
And that IPS will too.
OLED expiration monitors won't. Not one will even turn on in 20 years time

>>105977002 (OP)
Hi /pcbg/. Planning to upgrade from a build I did back in Q2 2020 based on the advice here at the time, so thanks everyone. How's this build look? US, prices appear accurate.

Use: general browsing, Excel, and ideally upgrading to gaming at 1440p.
Elden Ring, Jagged Alliance 3, RDR, various newer RTS. My old setup with 1660 Super @ 1080p has been holding up fine, though I have noticed frames dropping in Elden Ring and had to cut back some settings.

New build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KJ3Wsp

Current build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dHPvGJ

5070 12GB appears to have a bit better performance than 5060 Ti 16GB? And prices seem similar? I really don't know, I'm still on a 1660S kek.The GPU market is just a lot of data and fries my brain when I try to comp everything out. Also both are more than I'd like to spend, but assuming these will be required for 1440p with 60+ frames.

I was planning on reusing my old PSU, but I'm concerned that 560W won't be enough for this new build that's estimated at 470W (up from 320W on old build). I don't know much about power needs, does this look okay? At the time I felt like this was a really nice PSU and the 660W variant is like $300+ on amazon now.

CPU seems sufficient? Can't say I've ever felt bottlenecked by the R5 3600.

Windows 10? I have Windows 11 on my work comp and can't stand it.

Thanks

>>105982694
It's kind of an unusual workload.
My CPU demand will be high enough that thermals might be a concern in really tiny form factors like NUCs, but not so high to justify buying a particularly high end CPU. The Ryzen 5 7600 suggested above will be more than enough.
RAM usage is high but bandwidth/latency isn't that critical.
Storage sequential speed doesn't matter but random speed is important. Etc.

>>105982733
Most OLED monitors are only reaching True Black 400 cert, you don't want to keep this forever.
The QD OLED TV is the right-most one on >>105982698 , the currently available OLED monitors are dimmer than that.

>>105982734
560w psu is really sketchy
your full load will be 450-500w, its probably going to work, but that's playing with fire in the long run, especially since you've already used it for 5 years
650w should be good, you should be able to find something for ~$200
i like this psu tier list
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc

9600x might be worth considering if you find it within $25 from 7600x, it's a marginal performance upgrade, but it has better thermals and energy efficiency
get some other mobo, asrock has been burning cpus, its safer to just stay clear
you will have to get w11 because of drivers

>>105981789
They both use the same amount of power.

> AMD Ryzen 5 9600X processor
> GIGABYTE B650 EAGLE AX motherboard
> Noctua NH-D15 G2 CPU cooler
> Patriot 32 GB DDR5-6000 (2x 16 GB) RAM
> PowerColor Radeon RX 9070 XT Reaper 16GB GPU
> WD Blue SN5000 NVMe 2TB SSD
> Montech AIR 903 MAX case
> Corsair RM750x 750W PSU
Getting a new PC after a long time. This is what I've cooked so far. Let me know if something is wrong with it

>>105982732
yeah it's retarded, they have identical performance at 4k.

>>105982732
about 20-30% performance improvement in gpu bound scenarios at 4k
9800x3d will be another massive increase to your fps if you plan on using dlss and or frame gen

>>105983031
>650w should be good, you should be able to find something for ~$200
makes sense, I'll look into upgrading that as well then.

>9600x might be worth considering if you find it within $25 from 7600x, it's a marginal performance upgrade, but it has better thermals and energy efficiency
yeah that sounds worth the incremental cost there. cool

>get some other mobo, asrock has been burning cpus, its safer to just stay clear
okay

>you will have to get w11 because of drivers
fuck, okay. thanks for the responses anon

>>105983149
cooler is crazy overkill

Which soifaces can be trusted when looking for gpu reviews? Can I trust girl girl gaymers?

>>105983186
>>105983197
i play at 1440p, sometimes will use dlss quality and less commonly frame gen (for single player stuff mostly) if it can smooth things and max out my 360 hz monitor
if it were just a cpu i could drop in i wouldn't think twice but having to buy a whole new mobo/cpu/ram im not sold that it's worth it

>>105983230
>1440p
then why the fuck are you even asking retard

>>105983220
bottom left is alright, women and non-whites are a no go

Can EUfags please file a consumer lawsuit against NVIDIA for their criminally shit drivers that don’t work?

>>105983235
cause idk about how much an improvement the 9800x3d would be for pushing frames at 1440p

Any reason to install the integrated AMD graphics drivers If I have already an NVIDIA GPU?

Radeon won

>>105982734
You don't have to pay for W11 if you use the activation script in https://massgrave.dev/

>>105983149
Wasting money on the CPU cooler.
If you don't want a Thermalright cooler, I'd rather get a be Quiet Pure Rock Pro 3 for that CPU.
The Pure Rock Pro 3 is also overkill for the 9600X.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RN62FT/be-quiet-pure-rock-pro-3-596-cfm-cpu-cooler-bk041

ktc m27p6 blog postan
Tested the dual mode 1080p 320hz mode in cs. Pretty nice, but I think 320hz on an ips is only marginally better than 240hz on an oled. I'm not an esports fps gaymer anymore so I probably won't be using it again, but it's nice. I remember reading that there wasn't a way to make a shortcut for the dual mode on this monitor, but you can on this firmware version (usa-1.0.1) so maybe that changed since the jp guy's review

Why this thread is so water cooling oriented?
I have 7800x3d and can't see any need in water cooling. Also, water cooling tend to leak or last not that long as regular fans. I'm usually change my video card in 3-4 years and system in 6-8 years, no water cooling will last for 8 years.

>>105983417
There is zero need for water cooling if you aren't running a 9950x3d+5080 or higher system. Just get a good noctua and you'll be able to pass it down to your children.

>>105983299
Hybrid Graphics

>>105983149
If you're going to buy that cooler you should get an 850w psu at least because it seems like you plan on upgrading to a 11800x3d one day

>>105983417
because not everyone is a tech illiterate talking out of their ass, duh

>>105983220
The fat one with the puffy hair

>>105983438
He's right though.

>>105983417
because aios respect my time and i don't feel like having to take a big ass air cooler off my mobo every time i want to access something

>>105983430
I have 7800x3d+4080 now.

> to pass it down to your children.
Common, I'm virgin.

>>105983334
I want to believe the 9080xt 32gb will destroy the 5080ti

>>105983453
> because aios respect my time and i don't feel like having to take a big ass air cooler off my mobo every time i want to access something
I have assassin iv, which is quite big. Why do I need to remove it for access something?
Do you have micro ATX board?

>>105983473
bad faith retard arguments aren't going to respect my time either btw

>>105983479
Trolling by stupidity is not good thing

>>105983149
>Noctua NH-D15 G2 CPU cooler
That's what I'm using with my main setup, and I quite like their stuff.
But I recently put together a computer for my youngest nephew, with a Liquid Freezer III Pro 360.

Had to mess with the fan curves a bit, but the cooling performance is favorable compared to the Noctua. Right now on Amazon that Noctua cooler is $185, the LFIII Pro is $85.

>>105983417
Price/performance, fewer case limitations, no ram limitations. That Arctic unit mentioned above has a 6 year warranty.
I think the value proposition is pretty straightforward.

>>105983473
With that recent build, I was able to swap the top m2 slot without having to move the cooler.
Also, with the aio I didn't have to check ram clearance. I know you did, because I did the same with that Noctua.

noctua is a meme in 2025, why do people even bother with it

>>105983417
>water cooling tend to leak
Bad faith argument

>>105983509
Bro, you like what you like.

>>105983519
no i cannot afford them therefore they are a meme and nobody should be buying them and if you buy them you are RETARDED!!! i need you to know how i feel about this thing i cannot afford ok???? IDIOT

>>105983509
PA 140 Chads where you at?

>>105983495
>Right now on Amazon that Noctua cooler is $185, the LFIII Pro is $85
But the noctua will last 10-20 years while you'll have to replace the aio in 3-5, noctua easily pays for itself in the long run.

>>105983526
I just use thermaltake fans that cost $4

>>105983519
i was talking about NH-D15 and other coolers
there are better options these days, noctua just coast off of their reputation

Poor people have ruined discussion about things everywhere on the internet

thoughts on monitor arms?
i have jarvis dual monitor arms at work, it seems decent

>>105983530
LF3 has a 6 year warranty

>>105983584
Noctua has a lifetime warranty.

>>105983596
thats nice
the point is 3-5 years is a lie

>>105983577
I can’t live without them now. I have some huanuo arms and they are nice

>>105983604
>it's ok that I can get my water cooler replaced, replacing half my pc when it burns out and takes the cpu and gpu with it is fun

>>105983553
Water cooling is the poorfag option thoughever.

>>105983619
the strawmanning continues
theres no huge number of leaking aios
most likely the pump eventually fails

I sure hope you goys didn't spend $1100 on a GPU to play games on your $300 monitor that's so vomit-inducingly bad that you would have been better off spending the entire budget on an overpriced meme TV like the G5 and playing at minimum settings on integrated graphics.

Remember to budget about as much for a display as you plan to spend on your GPU.

>>105983526
Really I wanted 5x of those Phanteks T30-140, but they pushed the release back.

>>105983530
I understand the Noctua longevity angle. I still have the NH-D15 from my first build, no problems with it, or the fans. Customer service hooked me up with AM5 mounting hardware, etc.
But for a lot of people the aio angle makes a lot of sense.

>>105983545
That's my Amazon screenshot & I'm the same guy w/ the anecdote about the NH-D15 G2, LFIII Pro.
I'm satisfied with my cpu cooler, but I think next time I refresh my build I'll go with an aio.

>>105983657
$1100 on a GPU means 12vh pwr and that's a no go

>>105983495
> Price/performance,
Air cooling is cheaper, and much cheaper. Even assassin iv, which is top tier air, is cheaper than mid-range water.

> Also, with the aio I didn't have to check ram clearance. I know you did, because I did the same with that Noctua.
I have standard ATX board.

> That Arctic unit mentioned above has a 6 year warranty.
I don't know what warranty isz especially 6 year old warranty.

>>105983657
Isn't $300 is a 4k 120hz IPS display?
Don't you need a 5090 for that?

>>105983657
> I sure hope you goys didn't spend $1100 on a GPU to play games on your $300 monitor that's so vomit-inducingly bad that you would have been better off spending the entire budget on an overpriced meme TV like the G5 and playing at minimum settings on integrated graphics.
That's what I did, I have LG 27GP850-B and KFA2 GeForce RTX 4080 SG.

>>105983680
>Spending thousands on a GPU to play games on a shitty washed out IPS screen
Like I said, you'd literally be better off spending it all on a display. At least then you can good visuals while watching videos or whatever. It beats have ugly games AND ugly everything else.

>>105983696
That's retarded

>>105983675
Please spoiler jumpscares like that.

>>105983696
More retarded than spending as much on a display as on a GPU, yes. Less retarded than buying a $2000+ GPU to use with a garbage display that will never not look like ass regardless of how many settings you max and how many undersampling features you disable.

NEW UDNA GOSSIP (via leaker KeplerL2)
https://www.techspot.com/news/108754-amd-upcoming-rdna-5-flagship-could-target-rtx.html
>Similar to the 7900 XTX, the upcoming high-end AMD GPU will likely include 96 compute units and a 384-bit memory bus. A mid-range version is expected to offer 64 compute units and a 256-bit memory bus, resembling the 9070 XT. A mainstream option might be similar to the 9060 XT, with 32 compute units and a 128-bit bus.

>According to sources familiar with AMD's hardware roadmap, Kepler previously estimated that UDNA will improve raster performance by approximately 20 percent over RDNA 4 and double its ray tracing capabilities. RDNA 4 already represents a significant leap in ray tracing over its predecessor.
AMD could stick with GDDR6(X) to control costs and the only real reason I'd bother with GDDR7 if I were them was for the 3GB VRAM modules to increase the buffer spec without resorting to a clamshell design.

Since this will be a gen in which they get console money to fund it's R&D, the UDNA5 "might" be good, but AMD needs to decide if they care enough to actually mint cards in volume to keep prices competitive and stock plentiful unlike currently against the RTX 5000 series. There is no excuse for what happened with pricing after stockpiling cards for 3 months. Also I am worried with the unified architecture that an obscene amount of die space will be dedicated to worthless compute rendering it deadwood transistors for game performance.

And I've said it before and I'll say it again, whichever team decides to bite the bullet and leave TSMC at the wedding altar and mint their cards on a cheaper lineup (ex: Samsung or Intel's fabs, PPA be damned) and pass some savings to the consumer will win next-gen. AMD might be more inclined since that would free up TSMC allocation to go back into CPUs.

>>105983762
amazing they can match the hardware of 2022 radeon finewine

Wait a minute, when does the regular 9060 release again? It's supposed to be an in-between against the 5050 and 5060 right? Considering many techtubers often compare the 5060 to the XT.

>>105982686
>another gimmick you have to manually toggle that's supported almost exclusively by slop
At least you can actually make use of the OLED blacks when playing even a 1998 stealth game.

>>105982686
These pictures are fake as hell, nothing looks like the one on the left. You turned down the brightness to zero, no one does that.

I bought some tower heatsink + fan for my CPU fan back when I first built my PC a year ago and I think I had it on wrong all this time until one day the metal clips that held the fan onto the heatsink snapped and I think it hit the underside of my GPU since it was pretty close to the GPU. All while my PC was on.... A couple of minutes later I got one of those generic AMD error message saying my GPU had crashed but since my CPU had integrated graphics it booted into safe mode to prevent the crashing or something so it didn't really do anything bad visually and was still working as usual.

I was hoping nothing went wrong and turned off my PC to check and saw the fan had came loose and was hanging off the heatsink with the metal clip touching the GPU. I put everything back and turned on my PC and now I get no display on all ports. I'm sad now because I spent 2 days removing each part hoping it wasn't the GPU but had the best results removing the GPU so now I'm without a GPU. Even worst is I forgot to get a warranty for it.

>>105983900
>>105983951
>'I set the standards as to what's realistic and what's slop'
Kek'd. Total nobodies. None of the gaming OLED monitors can match the color volume of a reference-grade OLED display.

>>105983341
nice, thanks. I was wondering what the OS deal was, I don't recall paying for it on my current comp.

>>105983577
Two single arms is better than one dual.

>>105984020
Flanders Scientific isn't doing anything (nor can they without effort) special to their "reference" OLED than what is found in any ASUS or MSI rebadge of Samsung's same QD-OLED panel. I don't know how these "reference" monitor companies stay in business anymore without being truly innovative when their target audience already is sophisticated enough to understand the performance of their products beyond marketing. I actually wish some small company (like them or Dough/Spectrum) would grab some of the panels slap 3-4" of metal heatsink on the back with a giant fuck-off PSU and completely disable the ABL at a hardware level. I hope LG is still planning to bring a true RGB OLED to market and isn't trying to pull the wool over the eyes of consumers with their latest "Primary RGB" Tandem WOLEDs

>>105984118
Samsung Display is the one that sets the ABL; the monitor manufacturers can't override that, as recently proven by MSI.
People are already FUDing about burn-in and longevity issues; the actual OLED display manufacturers won't sell unlocked panels for consumer monitors.
The best you can hope for is LG & Samsung to develop brighter and more resilient panel tech, which is necessary to stay ahead of Chinese OLED manufacturers.

>>105984153
I still think it could be defeated if client companies stripped and replaced everything except the raw screen material purchased from Samsung itself and connected it their own power supply/TCON board that could feed it the maximum requested voltage at all times irrespective of APL. The resulting package would probably be very heavy and thick, but I think it could be done. Linus did it with LCDs which aren't fundamentally different in their total construction sandwich and he's just a youtuber:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FdDUrHl5RE

You may say that'd be unreasonable or risk shortening the lifespan too much, if you were the product development for a company that specializes in "Reference"-grade monitors it'd be worth the engineering expense and clients that use them to make money wouldn't care if they had to swap out panels every X years.

>decide I want to build a new computer for the first time in five years
>do a ton of research, get advice from here, put together a list
>decide to wait and just enjoy/use what I have
>open up a Blender project I've been working on without a problem all week (besides it being slow in general)
>crashes every time I try to render
Huh.

>>105984275
>I still think it could be defeated if client companies stripped and replaced everything except the raw screen material purchased from Samsung itself
Then these monitor manufacturers will lose their QD-OLED supply and may be liable for breaking a supply/production agreement with Samsung Display.

This is a similar reason why most video cards are severely locked out of OCing features, the GPU designers restrict it on their end.

>You may say that'd be unreasonable or risk shortening the lifespan too much
People expect to own their TVs (7~10 years) and monitors for a relatively long time; that's why Apple scrapped its TV project.

>>105983762
where's their 5090 competitor?

>>105984312
>Then these monitor manufacturers will lose their QD-OLED supply and may be liable for breaking a supply/production agreement with Samsung Display.
Are those even legal? If I buy a Prius, my local Toyota stealership or their corp HQ couldn't ban me as a consumer from buying another a few years later if I drove it offroad or over X mph. And doubly so on anticompetitve/anti-trust grounds as exclusive part of a supplier network and because Sammy does offer competing models to end buyers.

>>105977002 (OP)
>be OP picrel battlestation owner
>on camera: show Windows wallpaper
>off camera: goon to 'p

>>105984367
It's an agreement between private businesses, of course it is.
Samsung Display sets the terms on how their QD-OLED panels are intended to be used.
If monitor designers & manufacturers run the panels out of spec, they are pissing off the only company that can mass produce QD-OLED displays.

When those out-of-spec QD-OLED monitors burn in sooner, it's Samsung Display that will take the reputation hit.
Samsung can halt panel supplies and sell them to the offending manufacturer's competitors.

>>105984442
>If monitor designers & manufacturers run the panels out of spec, they are pissing off the only company that can mass produce QD-OLED displays.
>When those out-of-spec QD-OLED monitors burn in sooner, it's Samsung Display that will take the reputation hit.
>Samsung can halt panel supplies and sell them to the offending manufacturer's competitors
I don't think the FTC/DOJ would let that slide.

>>105977002 (OP)
>T480 8th gen 16gb 1080p SATA SSD- $200 (Used)
Or
>PC - $380 (brand new)
>MSI Mag a550bn
>Gigabyte b550m ds3h
>Adata XPG SX8200 1tb
>Ryzen 5 5600g
>An intel ax210 wifi with antenna

I’m leaning towards the PC need and need to make a choice within a few hours, what should I pick. I don’t care about portability, just looking for the more price to performance/usability in current year

My wife has an old 8th gen i3 and 6600 build that needs replacing. She wants lights. Will probably mostly play sims 4. But unlike her last intel computer I want to actually be able to upgrade the next one as it ages which is why I'm thinking overkill on the psu. I would prefer an air cooler as well for the same reason but these are already cheap anyway. Case comes with colorful fans that are loud but I can just set the curve low. I also want it to be small enough to pick up but not retarded small like itx that I can't add anything to it.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Notte ARGB 72.37 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($55.39 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B850 Pro-A ATX AM5 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($96.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec C5 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.09 @ Amazon)
Total: $1213.40

>>105984450
>I don't think the FTC/DOJ would let that slide.
Lmao. QD-OLED panels are one of two major OLED displays.
OLED panels aren't a utility; they're higher-end displays.

XFX used to be an NVIDIA-exclusive GPU manufacturer until they decided to also make Radeon cards.
NVIDIA didn't like that shit and made an example out of XFX by ending their GeForce GPU supply agreement.
Where was the FTC & DOJ in this shit?

I have like a 10 year old 32" 4k monitor. I think I want to downsize to make moving simpler to like a 27". It seems 27" ips are dirt cheap. My Samsung was probably like 1k back in the day. What's my best option? Basically program and occasionally league of legends

>>105984451
5600g PC would be decent to slot a graphics card in later

>>105984451
The 5600g is way, waaaaay more powerful than a i5-8350U

>>105984490
>>105984501
Thanks anons went for the Ryzen toaster

>>105984477
>ASRock B850 Pro-A ATX AM5 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg)
I like this board, but there's a small chance of it degrading the CPU, a very small chance for a 9600X.

>>105984553
Only the ASRock 870 premium boards had the problem with overvoltage. B850 are not affected. AFAIK there is not a single report of a Ryzen burned on a B850 yet. I run a 9950X3D on a Nova with BIOS 3.25 and everything is cool and stable at PBO -20 +100MHz, I just don't crank up the PBO Scalar that puts stress on the silicon, it's not worth the gain:

> Scalar is a tool that allows the user to override the warranted silicon stress level, or FIT, to achieve higher frequency. You can adjust the maximum allowed FIT level to 10 times higher than the factory-fused limit. While the tool offers precise granularity, typically, you’ll find the available options to range between 1X and 10X in steps of 1 multiple.
> The effect of increasing Scalar is that the Precision Boost algorithm should aggressively pursue higher voltages as it is less concerned with CPU lifespan.

Sauce: https://skatterbencher.com/amd-precision-boost-overdrive-2/

>>105984477
Your primary question is about whether the 850W is overkill or not, it is not. 850s are very common "standard" PSUs these days, you actually have to dig for an older model to find something weaker on purpose. However you won't be buying this to make sure you can run a more power hungry CPU and GPU in the future, what's more likely is that upgrades for those will have no real power jump in the same performance class (hell you're probably going to wait till AM6) and a stronger PSU will just last longer as it ages and its output declines.

Is that Frozen Notte 360 or 240? You've basically chosen parts that will allow you to put in the very best parts in there later on. Are you sure you aren't building this for your own use rather than the wife?

>>105984647
>AFAIK there is not a single report of a Ryzen burned on a B850 yet
>replies to an image of person with a dead 9600x on a B850
What did he mean by this?

>>105984482
>27" 4K IPS: MSI MPG 274URF QD
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xhcgXL/msi-mpg-274urf-qd-270-3840-x-2160-160-hz-monitor-mpg-274urf-qd
Change the seller to Amazon if you buy one from their website, the link defaults to a third-party seller.
4K Alternatives are the Gigabyte M27U or M28U.

There are a lot of options for 27" 1440p IPS gaming monitors.
Acer Nitro XV271U M3, Gigabyte M27Q, and ASUS XG27ACS are some of the well-reviewed options.

>>105984669
It may be a defect sample, either the motherboard or - more likely in this case - the CPU, yes, but this doesn't prove that the CPU got burned due to wrong voltage given from the board. It may just be bad silicon from the factory. As ASRock said, and as I readily believe, the problem that burned CPUs on their premium boards was too high voltage per default and they lowered this with recent BIOSes. I don't think they would accept the blame if in fact AMD was to be blamed and I trust their info because they finally admitted that it was their own fault.

>>105984724
Except ASRock's motherboard VP admitted Ryzen CPUs are fine, their midrange & high-end boards had aggressive PBO EDC & TDC auto settings.

>>105984653
I have an antec c8 and the same psu and a 9070xt already.

>>105984724
>burned CPUs on their premium boards

>>105984653
Also it is the 360. I was planning on dropping another 32gb of ram in later when it is cheaper and putting in a better gpu later and putting in a later grade X700x or X700x3d at am5s eol.

>>105984553
I like how many m.2s it has for the price for later expansion. On her current computer I kept struggling her along on shoestrings and filled all the sata ports.l with cheap ssds

>>105981506
Intel Arc.

wheres the new amd driver

What's the consensus here about Windows for new rigs? I wanna save some money by pirating it, but I'm not sure whether to go for 10 or 11.

>>105984335
5090? Lol. It will crush the 6090

>>105979146
Western Digital color codes their drives for different functions as they are physically built differently for what they are intend to to be used for. High reads/low writes, Low writes/high reads, always left on, etc.

>Reds are for NAS/RAID set ups
>Purple are for camera systems
>Greens are more silent and energy efficient(chart is old and they stop making those years ago)
I forgot what Blue and Black are for but I think those are for PC. As for your question, it helps to know that WD went retarded with the Red's. Years ago they physically changed them without telling customers. I forgot the full details but the short story was they were trying to cut cost and in return made the normal Red's shit the bed when ran inside NAS or more importantly, they suck in a RAID setup. Instead of doing a recall, WD decided to continue selling those and came out with WD Red Pro at slightly higher the cost, which are better for RAID set ups. Normal Reds are fine for 1HDD set ups, just not for RAID.

tl;dr get the Red Pros if you want to use a NAS, its probably fine to use as a single drive for awhile. I don't know about the Read and Write speeds though.

>>105985012
Fuck I meant "Red Plus" not "Pro". I forgot all about "Pro" ones. I should have used a modern chart from the start.

>>105983235
hes not retarded, have you not consulted the chart?

>Color coding your hard drive types

>>105984991
just like the 7900XTX crushed the 4090, lol

Why exactly is the APU in the Steam Deck still the most efficient? It still outperforms every other APU at low power.

i love watching amd dicksuckers cope every time some crumb of info comes out regarding the next gen
>the 6900 xt will beat nvidia!
>the 7900 xtx will beat nvidia!
>the 9070 xt will beat nvidia!
meanwhile
>2 gens behind in RT performance
>2 gens behind in power draw
>upscaler and framegen still not on nvidia's level
meanwhile im sitting here with a 5090 that no amd gpu can compete with, and neither will their next gen of gpus lmao
for over a decade i was a mindless amdrone, but when i switched to nvidia for the first time in almost two decades i realized just how much better nvidia's offerings are - all the driver related bullshit was gone, video editing software stopped stuttering, AV1 encoding that doesn't suck dick
fuck amd gpus, theyre total dogshit, anyone who buys them is a legitimate retard that would rather save $100 and get an infinitely inferior product in all aspects
>b-but muh underdog
fuck you, dumbfuck retard, useless idiot, corporate cocksucking moron

>>105983417
no water cooling gonna cool down this sexo

>>105985048
Ultrawide ress are false enlightenment
2160p 32" is the true goat

>>105985213
>saves 100$
Thanks, I'm definitely going AMD now

>>105985213
They don't save anything though. All price comparisons are done using raster, that is the entire reason it is still done. The missing $100 is in all the software and the proprietary hardware to make the former work. AMD cards are simply -$100 down on the stack at the same value per dollar.

>>105983149
32 ram is def not enough.
Get at least 2x24

>>105985265
any 1440p ultrawide is the same pixel density as the equivalent brands normal 1440p monitor, just extra on the sides, its the perfect balance.

>>105985284
I'm happy with my 9070xts raytracing but I also didn't spend current prices for it. I think the people who are going to feel like the biggest cucks are people who bought the current lineup of 5000 series cards since they were gimped by samsung shitting the bed and not being able to put out the 3gb vram modules at volume in time. The 5080 and 5070ti were supposed to be 24gb in the first place. Unfortunately at the current time the 9070xt was the ONLY good value card and I was just tired of waitfagging with a 3060 I spent $550 for during the gpu shortage.

>>105985303
the 5090 i bought has the most VRAM doe

>>105982500
>can
no guarantees your modern chinkshit will last, as I said
>2 decades
we are hitting poorfaggtry levels beyond human comprehension at this point

>>105982629
TWO. DECADES.
my old monitors were not even that aged but they did not even have any modern features, high hz, the right connectors anymore
you have hit clinical insanity levels at this point

>>105982733
>Not one will even turn on in 20 years time
Daily reminder to everyone arguing with LCDlets/Luddites here that they are this clincally insane

>>105983400
>but I think 320hz on an ips is only marginally better than 240hz on an oled.
it should not be, oled is 1,5x faster than lcd, so it should equate to 360hz in terms of motion clarity
unless strobed then it would be alot better

>>105983657
all top end tvs on sale are cheaper than a 5090

>>105984927
it's a free os

>>105985287
He can just put in 32 more gb later bro

>>105985311
The 5090 came with the 3gb modules samsung could actually make. They were not able to produce them for the rest of the 5000 base. That's why the product stack made absolutely no sense at all and all the cards were barely better than the 4000s.

>>105981842
goonpods are BASED

>>105985315
It's not a free os unless you mean upgrading your current win10 to 11

>>105985336
5090 uses 16x2gb modules

>>105985340
All software is free.

>>105985347
Last I heard they had used 3gb modules on 5090s

>>105985355
5090 PCB has 16 memory chips

>>105985355
>>105985356
so who made the 2gb chips then?

>>105985355
Oh, they did but the laptop 5090s. That would mean on this board they could have had a 48gb 5090.

>>105985358
yo mama

>>105984719
Thanks

Ayymd 48GB mid-range UDNA card soon with excellent software support

>>105985358
gddr7 is all samsung made rn

>>105985303
>gimped by samsung
Saved by Nvidia Neural Texture Compression™
You have 16 GB
In the future I will have 160 GB
Do not tell me my card does not have the spare horsepower for it

Critique my 5090 "creator" build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/M62BRV

I will run local LLM/image models, do 3D models/rendering, hobby game dev, video editing. No hardcore gaming.

Budget is to stay within 5-10% of the current cost. I've already locked in the GPU. Unsure about the CPU cooler choice. I maxed out RAM because why not, I won't have to upgrade in the future.

>>105985543
Bro you definately want the peerless assassin 140 not the 120 with that cpu. You should also get a 2nd 5090 so you can run two stable diffusion instances at once or make two llms argue with each other.

>>105985543
you're deeply lacking in hdd space. Get a 12-20TB HDD and a bunch of ssds+M.2s for data storage.

Also you want an AIO cooler for your cpu jesus. And your choice of case seems bad, you should get a full tower if you're paypigging for a 5090.

>>105985543
having 4 sticks of high capacity ram will gimp your max stable ram clocks to like 4000-4400mt/s and getting it to run at the advertised speed will be a nightmare

if you must have that much ram, look for a quad stick ram kit instead of mixing two dual stick kits, and find a board that specifically advertises 4 stick support in the QVL like msi's x870e tomahawk

>>105985543
>Critique my 5090 "creator" build:
5090 and 9950X
- air cooler check
- Assrock mobo check
- skimps on RAM check
- Vent- no nevermind its a work PC, whatever

>>105985591
He should get this case instead. It is more professional looking as a work computer, dead quiet, with lots of space for storage drives and 5.25" for io or even more storage drives

>>105985543
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TmvNVF
You can decide on additional storage later. Do really question whether you need a 4x48 RAM kit, but if your job requires 192 GB then that's what you need.

>>105985338
>Imagine having that little leg mass
This is why women go after men with big asses. More hip thrusting power = better sex

>>105985567
I considered a second 5090 as an upgrade a few years down the line but it requires so much more in terms of mobo and PSU already now

>>105985574
>>105985582
Thanks Anons, appreciate the advice.

>>105985591
Thanks, I guess...?

>>105985543
>CPU
Fine.
>Cooler
An upgrade would mainly be for noise or PBO. As you can see a 420mm AIO would only net you another 2-3% nT performance at 100% fan speed.
>Mobo
It's okay in that it can run the CPU but I think you might want PCIe5 to remove any potential bandwidth limitations on GPU compute. This will depend on your specific software suite. There are B*50E boards priced under your current one so this shouldn't mean spending more.
>RAM
Bad choice. Both in selection and configuration. If you absolutely must have 4xDR DDR5 it should at minimum be a matched kit and ideally Hynix 24Gb M-die. Expect it to require manual tuning in any case. If you can get away with 96GB, do so.
>SSD
Fine. Could maybe shave some here if you price shop on the day. I assume you have a NAS or something for bulk storage? If not you will need some.
>Case
Good at present. Change it if you get an AIO instead.
>PSU
Fine. Price-shop on the day.

>>105985628
>>105985630
Sweet, thanks!

>>105985646
And a third thanks, this is helpful!

>>105985315
Retarded consumerist monkey.

>>105985650
I just slapped in an AIO and the only matched 4x48 kit on the list. Do make sure to research the case whether it can fit the Freezer 3 Pro or not, it is a fat AIO unlike the rest. If you can't, then really any 360 AIO will still be ideal for this tier of CPU.

Is 5080 solid core good card? Has anyone got it?
Is it loud? I could get it for 900€ from facebook marketplace. New, unused. I can test it. Idk if its worh it.

>>105985657
You're welcome.

>>105985665
Since you kept the Torrent it will fit but it'll mean moving the stock 280mm fans to the bottom which somewhat defeats the point of that case. Could move up to a 420mm AIO or, more realistically, swap the Torrent out for a more conventional case like a Meshify 2 (XL?).

>>105985543
Swap those 2x48GB kits for this 5200CL40 ones for $30 less each:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/C6Jp99/gskill-ripjaws-m5-rgb-96-gb-2-x-48-gb-ddr5-5200-cl40-memory-f5-5200j4040a48gx2-rm5rk
Combines saves $60 and is actually faster in effective latency, see:
https://notkyon.moe/ram-latency2.htm

>>105985574
What he said about storage (for client usage the advertised sequential read/writes between drives are e-peen measuring and don't matter IRL) instead get a 4TB NVME & 8/10TB+ HDD mass storage and make sure it's CMR (Conventional Magnetic Recording) and not SMR (Shingled Magnetic Recording) which will be buried in the product specs/site data sheet. And no question you want a 360mm AIO or larger to cool that fucking thing.

Unless you have VERY SPECIFIC needs for that mobo you picked out you're also overspending there compared to any of these options (compare feature sets and see if anything is lacking):
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/qcbRsY,FFdMnQ,CxcBD3/

Also overspending on the PSU. My edited PCPP list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gLxWsp
Much more PC for the money (actually saves $50 over your OG build)

>>105985683
Solid Core models are Zotac's SFF models, or at least slimmer and shorter than the normal Solids. The brand is fine this generation. The smaller the cooler the louder it will be generally, since the fans have to work harder to reach the same cooling potential. At that low of a price (actually just supposed to be MSRP) I'd suspect it is not "unused". See if you can get proof of life and function from the seller. Get GPU-Z screenshot for the ROP count as well.

SFF case for someone who hates smart TV's ?

>>105985709
Oh now that you mention it the Torrent is supposed to be the designated air cooler optimized case. Switching off to another case should be pretty easy, it is a pricey option. There are many, many big mchuge cases at that price point that there could be money to be saved here while still getting something roomy enough for an LF3 Pro.

>>105985737
Seeing as it's a work PC, including video editing, the sequential speed isn't totally wasted.

>>105985762
Does your current/planned system for this case have/will have USB Type C front panel connectivity?
Probably one of the Silverstones (GD series):
https://www.silverstonetek.com/en/product/computer-chassis/?filter=HTPC_Desktop
https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-Technology-Computer-Micro-ATX-Motherboards/dp/B08DTHNPPD?s=electronics

>>105985628
and zero airflow for a 5090, retard-tier suggestion.

>>105985737
you cannot overspend on a psu when its paired with a 5090, with all the problems that come with that gpu. He's still got the wrong case when an antec flux pro or meshify3 XL would be better. Also will that motherboard even correctly support the ram? even all of the x870 boards on release had ram compatibility and performance issues.
youtu.be/keJHego7neI?si=EjUbxGax1_B2lXjM

>>105985762
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/case/#t=11&sort=price&page=1

i am the guy with the 3300X from a few threads ago. as you can see, my motherboard ain't that good, it uses pcie 3. someone suggested me to search for a newer generation of GPUs, and I found some listings for an RX 5500 XT and RX 6500 XT, both 4 gigabytes of VRAM but that doesn't really bother me. As for Nvidia, a GTX 1650 and a GTX 1070.

My reason for not buying an RX 580 is that it consumes quite a lot, and the GTX 10xx line-up doesn't have driver support anymore, but I can't tell how bad that really is, so I'm considering the 1070.

Now, between the 5500 and 6500, which one is better on pcie 3.0? I did my research and saw that the RX 5500 XT has works on pcie 4.0 with 8 lanes, the other only with 4. As for the 1070, it has a lower wattage than the RX 580 and I found it in benchmarks to be better. But with the loss of driver support, I don't know how it's going to perform.

my use for the PC is going to be light gaming, nothing triple A. mostly casual games like terraria, minecraft, CS2, GTA 4/5 and some indie and esport titles, maybe streaming on discord. i'm on a tight budget because Romania's memecurrency is going to shit by the week, but i at least want to have a decent upgrade path and I think that i did the right decision to go with AM4. all these gpu go for 50$ to 100$, with the cheapest being RX 580, some 8 some 4 gigs.

>>105985860
>He's still got the wrong case when an antec flux pro or meshify3 XL would be better. Also will that motherboard even correctly support the ram? even all of the x870 boards on release had ram compatibility and performance issues.
AMD has released a garbage truck's load of AGESA updates since launch specifically targeting RAM compatibility. Worst case it defaults to something close to JEDEC standards, no point in literally spending 2X as much for a 4-kit pack at the same capacity, if the CPU's IOD loses the silicon lottery it wouldn't make a difference how much he spent on the RAM.

>>105985856
>Update
Yes USB C would be prefered for gaymanging.

>>105985861
Thanks fren.

>32" 240hz qdoled for 622€
>can't buy because bad firmware
>very close to 2x cheaper than the asus with the same panel
why do they torture me like this

>>105985911
What model? If it's one of the MSI MAG SKUs they added firmware update support (with a few steps):
https://www.msi.com/news/detail/MAG-321UPX-QD-OLED-and-MAG-271QPX-QD-OLED-Support-Firmware-Update-143951

>>105985875
6500XT is heavily gimped on PCIe3. Avoid. Should probably avoid RX5000 as well due to driver issues (more likely hardware tbf because AMD was unable to fix them).
As for RX580 vs. 1070, they're both EOL so don't expect any driver updates. Also don't concern yourself too much with the power draw unless your PSU is literally incapable of running it. I'd say on balance the 1070 is worth a small premium; maybe up to L100? Mostly because the games you mentioned have a slight Nvidia advantage.

>>105985875
thats what you get for fighting nazis and being commies under soviet rule afterwards where only path to riches is being a corrupt government official/part of the mafia

>>105981938
>>105982289

>>105985944
i didn't ask for any of this, fuck!

>>105985935
Alright, thanks. I'll go with the 1070 then.

Is the 9060 xt 16gb any good?
I have a 5700x3d and I'm upgrading from a 6600 cuz I wanna play metro exodus with RT, I have a 450W psu.
It's about 450€ in my eastern european shithole.
Should I just check out intel or ngreedia instead? I'm on lincucks if it matters.

>>105986085
it's pretty good if you can get one around $350

>>105986085
What resolution and country? If on Linux, probably stick with AMD cards.
Maybe also look into a used 6800 XT / 7700 XT or higher if around the same price or less.

>>105986118
>buying last gen amd

>>105986118
1080p, romania
Not sure my PSU can handle those. It's some corsair bronze 450w unit I harvested from an old build that never ended up being used.

they really don't want me updating the firmware kek

>>105986137
My monitor has the option to go to the menu and update over the internet and honestly it feels like that should be a standard feature in 2025.
its so fucking bizarre see some aoc release garbage that requires being sent to the manufacturer for firmware updates

>>105986152
i think the idea is they don't usually expect monitors to need firmware updates, but in todays age where everything is untested chinkium, it really should be a standard

I have 32GB DDR5 RAM, a 7800 XT GPU, and a 7600X CPU.

I seem to struggle with Unreal Engine 5 games. RoboCop Rogue City, Silent Hill 2, Oblivion Remaster, all have fairly frequent hiccups at 1080p high settings. Even if I turn down the graphics options a bit, it doesn't really improve.

My understanding is that my CPU is the issue.

Would a 9800X3D be likely to fix these hiccups?

>>105986161
better cpu can mitigate how much you notice shader compilation stutters but it wont remove them if the game is made wrong

>>105986137
points for honesty

why are there no RTX 5070 at partspicker?

>>105977002 (OP)
how many schools does he monitor?

>>105986134
Honestly still should be fine for gaming as yuo are only looking at an extra 40-120w max (and you're never going to be 100% loading the CPU + GPU simultaneously anyway).
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/sapphire-radeon-rx-9060-xt-pulse-oc/41.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5700x/18.html

https://ro.pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=501,523,495,496,558,559,560,547,548,596&sort=price
The 7700 XTs seem slightly more powerful (12GB VRAM is still fine for 1080p) for what looks to be ~20€ less.
Again if you can score one used for less I'd do that, otherwise the 9060 XT is fine.

First time ever that I've bought a GPU with 3 fans (5060ti Gainward Python III). Do I need a support for this thing? Seems pretty heavy.

>>105986248
okay thanks, is cooling going to be an issue? I'm using an NZXT H510 (the original one with no mesh)

>>105986137
Not upgrading when not needed is sound advice but putting the blame on customers is retarded

>>105986269
>NZXT H510 (the original one with no mesh)
https://gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3496-nzxt-h510-elite-case-review-making-things-worse
^This one?
Ehh........probably okay (tested w/GTX 1080 that also draws 200-220W), I'd just monitor temps in games after upgrading. Worst case just take the side panel off.

>>105986320
yeah, I got this piece of shit as a hand me down after my troon brother got kicked out, maybe I can take off the front panel or something.

Its pretty sad we didnt get to see the 7950xtx and rtx titan

Is this a good budget AM5 board?
>ASROCK B850M PRO-A WIFI
using with 7800x3d

>>105985185
The Ryzen APU in the Steam Deck was originally designed for a Microsoft Surface laptop/tablet.
MS didn't buy it, so AMD shopped it around.

>>105986357
you just know this pig would have been 600w to not even get close to a 4090

>>105986463
being faster than the 4080 super, it isnt that far away from the 4090. if they binned for golden sample navi31s, it'd likely reach 4090 perf at 600W

>>105986413
I like that board's specs, but ASRock boards are still risky.
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>>105985929
Philips, MSI firmware is also shit but is a step better

>>105986478
it’s slower than the 4080 super

>>105985315

/^>\d{4}/;boards:g

vgh mass replier retard
never bother me again moron

Every monitor tech sucks it only depends on what kind of sucking you prefer. All OLEDs burn in and flicker at low rgb values with the refresh rate. LCDs backlights degrade too just like individual oled pixel but on the whole picture and have shitty black levels. LCDs dimming zones individually degrade.

Every monitor sucks except for truly flicker free reference grade dual layer lcd monitors. But these have shitty latency, only 60Hz, cost a fortune and need like 500Watts power