Think about it; Why dox yourself to Google just to get an email address when you can just self host your own mail server?
Why give Discord your phone number when you can just self host XMPP and Mumble?
Why use social media when you can make your own website and forum?
Why play on Steam servers when you can self host servers for games that don't require their accounts, and pirate them if need be as well?

Is this not a good approach to the internet? What does /g/ think of this website that does exactly that?

https://cy-x.net

>>105978986 (OP)
How to self host?

>>105978997
Look up on how to self host the service you want to host. If you have a dusty old computer that you're not using then you can turn it into a server that runs ur self hosted applications.

>>105978986 (OP)
It's obviously the superior option, but requires effort and countries (eg. UK) and Republican states are actively trying to make it impossible by pushing for ID verification on all sites.

>>105978986 (OP)
>Why dox yourself to Google just to get an email address when you can just self host your own mail server?
bump for awareness

I'd say these are some nice rules, eh?

>>105978986 (OP)
Won’t all popular mail services auto-filter your self-hosted email as spam? If I can get around that, I would host my own email.

>>105978986 (OP)
On the first point, running your own email server isn't really viable nowadays. Most other providers will mark your from address as spam.

On all the others points, they're all "correct" but basically moot unless you want to actually put the work into getting other people to use your services. Anyone can make a social media site these days, its technically pretty easy. But why would anyone use yours?

>>105979043
The solution to this should be to prioritize only supporting countries or territories that aren't trying to actively violate you (and your privacy) when self hosting, right?

VPSes can be extremely useful in this case, although everyone who uses VPSes should always be aware that it's technically not your hardware and you should have a emergency plan for any kind of "sudden blackout" scenario. Otherwise, I'd say there's a few good workarounds for this problem..

Alternatively, one could use a few loopholes to portray the site as a kids site, or lock it behind a primitive password that could legally allow one to say "oh this is just a site for me and my friends, it's not public whatsoever so we don't need ID verification", right?

>>105979082
>>105979086

They do something retarded called email reputation and it ultimately depends on whether or not your server's IP is in their DB for any reason whatsoever. I haven't had any problems with self hosted email, and I was even able to use it to sign up to a few privacy violators during a small curiosity test run, so I either got really lucky and my email isn't on the naughty list by default, or I'm simply not immediately trying to go out and use it for all sorts of things asides from communicating with like-minded individuals with it.

>>105978986 (OP)
not sure I'd want to associate with those goobers but cool I guess

>>105979082
>Won’t all popular mail services auto-filter your self-hosted email as spam?

Set up the correct SPF/DKIM/dMARC and they won't.

>>105979086
>Anyone can make a social media site these days, its technically pretty easy. But why would anyone use yours?

thats a fair question but in the case of the site in the topic body, I think having a place that discretely advertises itself as a sort of sanctuary away from the utter sludge that 99% of the sites we now of have become might be a good place to start when it comes to really building up the "why" there

>>105979208
This, I went from postfix+dovecot to stalwart, and although the setup was painful, it works like a charm. Every day I get dmarc reports from google and amazon telling me that my mails passed their checks just fines.

>>105979121
Email reputation is mostly based on your server's ip. Most of these 'services' let you pay to lift restrictions over your ips, but it's really scummy if you ask me. Some hosts try to keep a good record so most ips they'll give you are not on Santa's naughty list (though they block port 25 by default).

>>105979082
The only issue I had was gmail, I had to send a single email and the receiver had to manually mark it as "not spam", but it only happened for the first ever e-mail I sent from my domain. Now it arrives in INBOX without any issues.

>>105979480
im currently doing nothing but running docker mailserver and i fucking hate having to manually type in commands to add or update an email. i tried postfixadmin but then i realized that it uses a separate db and i don't want to even attempt to migrate everything over to there assuming i even know how to
are there any solutions for this or is this what i'll need to deal with for now?

>>105979061
Standard subreddit rules.

No one is gonna accept emails from your self hosted address.

>>105979061
Quite based rules

>>105979837
refer to
>>105979208

>>105978986 (OP)
>Think about it; Why dox yourself to Google just to get an email address when you can just self host your own mail server?
Because running your own email server is a full-time job and most websites will block your domain. Plus email is insecure anyway so you're not protecting shit by doing that. Just pick some small email provider, even a paid one instead of Gmail.

>Why give Discord your phone number when you can just self host XMPP and Mumble?
Good luck getting anyone to agree to drop Discord to join you on Mumble.

>Why use social media when you can make your own website and forum?
Because your self hosted social media website will have exactly one user: you. Mastodon/Lemmy or some other Fediverse shit is a relatively reasonable alternative, although the best option is to stop using social media entirely because only fucking morons use it.

>Why play on Steam servers when you can self host servers for games that don't require their accounts, and pirate them if need be as well?
That's already a thing. Basically any game that allows third party servers has a pretty lively ecosystem of player-hosted games. As for games that don't allow this, well that's what the whole Stop Killing Games thing is about so maybe there'll be some change in the next few years.

You failed to mention the main actual reason to self-host shit: replacing third party cloud storage and streaming services. I run Nextcloud on a Mac Mini in my basement, as well as a whole bunch of media management and playback services: Radarr, Sonarr, Lidarr, Jellyfin, Navidrome, qBittorrent, as well as Actual for budgeting, Miniflux for RSS aggregation, Adguard Home to run my own DNS, Immich for web-hosted photo sync and gallery, and some more shit I don't remember at the top of my head.
If people weren't tech retarded and ran their own services on their own machine to store, manage and consume their own data, the entire tech industry would be made obsolete overnight.

>>105980403
>third party cloud storage and streaming services.
what if i dont use any of those in the first place and therefore don't have a need to self host them

>>105980473
Then, don't?

>>105978986 (OP)
Home IPs are unreliable. They may change, they are filtered/blocked by your isp and are seen as shitty end-user IPs by the rest of the internet.

Now if you're talking about having your own server or vps in some datacenter then you're absolutely right.

>>105978986 (OP)
Because the Jews have made it so you're an ostracized member of society if you don't join their gay and retarded borg. Your custom email server will immediately be flagged as spam everywhere you go.

>>105978997
https://landchad.net

>>105980558
>>105980403

you all refer to this too
>>105979208

>>105978986 (OP)
>Why use social media when you can make your own website and forum?
Try doing that today and you'll quickly get DDOSed by the LLM crawlers Google, OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. use.
They don't respect robots.txt, and they surreptitiously crawl using residential IPs they rent from third-parties, who typically get them by pushing "bandwidth sharing apps" that pay users in cash or crypto for them serving as proxies.

>>105978986 (OP)
> when you can just self host your own mail server?
will quickly get you blacklisted because of muh security/muh spam protection.
>when you can just self host XMPP and Mumble?
both xmpp and mumble are used by 5 kissless virgins in total
>when you can make your own website and forum?
same as above
> self host servers for games that don't require their accounts, and pirate them if need be as well?
same as above

>>105979208
>Set up the correct SPF/DKIM/dMARC and they won't.
lol, lmao even
You're also gonna need a clean domain and clean ip that's not in a dodgy range. Good fucking luck getting in touch with google, microsoft, and friends to tell them you're a good boy and to purge whatever records they have about your shits.
Just send them a mail OH WAIT! You can't! :^)

>>105979537
stalwart unironically.
Stalwart will happily manage imap, pop, smtp, dkim, spf and has integration with standard tools like spamassassin or clamav.
You just install it and configure it once (you don't need to configure and enable all features like jmap or pop), then you copy the dns records it gives you to your domain provider and you're done. It even generates the configuration xml endpoint for mail clients to automatically configure and connect. The web interface works really well, but has way too many options and the search feature could be improved, but it's really easy to add new mail accounts.

stalwart will automatically send dmarc requests and perform deliverability tests using google and amazon to regularly check that your emails are going through.
Then you can get into the more secured setups by rotating dkim keys and using multiple servers in case one goes down (highly recommended by the email rfc for reliability).

>>105980541
You don't need to do that, you can rent an ip for 1.5-5usd/mo and you can even buy a /8 subnet for relatively cheap (then of course you resell the unused ips).

>>105980935
>>105981101
never happened to me, running multiple emails services (including ones for companies).
unless you're a complete retard and don't want to sign your emails with dkim.

for clean ips, you want non-shady hosts like hetzner or ovh. Usually you just rent the cheapest vps possible, if it's got a bad rep, you rent another one for around 3-5$/mo. Then you make a tunnel from your machine/server to that vps which you're going to use as a reverse-tunnel. That'll prevent people from getting your ip and you can always cancel your vps for a new one if your rep goes down. That won't happen unless you do a terrible job.

>>105978986 (OP)
>self host your own mail server
This is a good idea in general if you rent a vps
>self host XMPP and Mumble
Try it, you'll see why no one does it. Nextcloud talk is the easiest but it's more like a teams alternative than discord. Element+matrix is another alternative but element is sort of a black box and matrix has some controversies.
>Why use social media when you can make your own website and forum
Probably better to host a local social media for your neighborhood like some kind of nextdoor alternative. Letting people you don't know irl post on your website is asking for an FBI noknock raid.
>Why play on Steam servers when you can self host servers for games that don't require their accounts, and pirate them if need be as well
You can't force people to play games you host. I don't know 32 people who want to play tf2 at the same time, but getting 4 to hop on my l4d2 server is easy enough.
All my friend are playing helldivers 2 right now which I think is p2p, at least for lobbies. You need sony's central server to authenticate though, if someone managed to get around that it would be a banger of a selfhosted game.

>>105978986 (OP)
Ok cool thanks anon are there any websites that will self host for me?

>>105978986 (OP)
There's no reason to self host other than being schizo about the glowies or hosting your porn and tranime collection. You're going through so much effort and maintenance and worrying about hackers just to get an inferior service with less reliability, less data security, and more social isolation

>>105981339
>buy a /8 subnet for cheap
/24 you mean?
And it's not as in the old days anymore. IP4 is scarce