Thread 105979463

Is /g/ still a Mac hate board? Anyway, I just want to ask: objectively speaking, what's the consensus on current year MacBooks in general?

>>105979463 (OP)
We don't hate brand, per se.
We hate the lowlife such as yourself that subvert the board and use it as an advertising platform.
kys shill. Surrender to your handler, and get your organs harvested already.

>>105979494
Can you answer the question without being a faggot for 1 second?

>>105979664
kys already

>>105979463 (OP)
Same as every other year. You're paying a brand tax to get underpowered hardware and an awful UI in hopes third-worlders will think you are cool and rich.

>>105979677
Don't forget you can't compile software yourself to run on your own computer without paying $100+ a year.

>>105979677
>strawmanning

>>105979463 (OP)
I find it hilarious how distorted is the perception of mac users when it comes to computing power. Their corporate owners have somehow domesticated them to believe it's still 1990 and they're rocking the best of the best, when they are using the equivalent of $600 in terms of real market value.

>>105979463 (OP)
they're fine if you can a cheapo apple silicon mac used.
the battery life/performance on battery are best in class, great for development work
some UI/UX decisions are aids but you can grab third-party tools to solve most of the issues

>>105979863
Apple is using 1984-esque methods to perpetually shift the narrativein their favor.
Just look at the state of this board.
There's constantly, at the very least, two Apple-shilling-threads at any given time.

What's the current state of running an x86 Windows VM on Apple Silicon?
I'm considering a 48GB Mac Mini as my next main dev machine, but I do need to keep the ability to work on some legacy Windows stuff (not sure if it would run in "Windows on ARM" but I really doubt it).

>>105979928
It's not only in that. They manipulate you when you're looking at prices on their website. They carefully craft their iCloud usage limits and pricing to maximize user dependence on their walled garden.
All in all, they are a pretty fucking dark company.

>>105979957
You're way, way better off setting up an VMWare virtual machine on a decent modern ThinkPad or Dell running Windows or Linux. Seriously, getting a mac as a main dev machine, unless you're primarily making mac and iphone applications, is a complete waste of money.

The M4 Mac Mini ($500) is currently the white man's daily driver

>>105979908
>they're fine if you can a cheapo apple silicon mac used.
Dead wrong.
Computers' performance degrade with time.

Buying second hand computer is heavily shilled because :
1/ it allows them to recoup some of their potential loss whenever a product line's performance is drastically subpar over time.
2/ it allows them to pretend they care about ecology. ("See?! We totally didn't send 3yo hardware to the trashpile!")

It's a scam. And the average joe is footing the bill.

>>105979463 (OP)
They have great battery life? And they can be smooth to use if you are used to them. But otherwise, there is very little software on a Mac that can't be used on a PC, (in fact, I can only think of ArtStudio Pro) and a PC can be way more powerful and have way more storage than a Mac for way cheaper. On the desktop, the only real pro for a Mac is that you'll probably have less problems to deal with.

>>105979928

What if people are genuinely upset with Microsoft's recent direction? Lol, I'm one of them

>>105980009

Check out the latest products and specs, the price gap isn't there any more. And your "cheap PC" will get immediately bricked by their bloated ass OS and obligatory shartware. The question is starting to become "why would I bother with PC/windows" and the only answer is "more games availability."

>>105980013
>False dichotomy.

>>105979957
Semi-modern (as in 2-5 years old) thinkpad is the way to go. You'll get great driver support on any distro/unix OS and you can run your legacy Windows shit through wine or VMs.

I suggest getting the AMD thinkpads. The CPUs are much better and the on-board GPU has great driver support. Make sure to grab one with the Intel wifi card and you're good to go for the next several years. The keyboards and build quality isn't as good as old thinkpads but they're still the best thing on the market and have the nipple.

I'd never buy Apple shit. The battery life isn't much better than a thinkpad, the CPU isn't as good and they lock you out of developing software for your own system without paying a yearly tax. Plus you're screwed if you ever want to replace parts or even do simple shit like add more RAM or replacing the battery. You're expected to throw out your laptop and buy a new one every few years.

I say this as someone that was a big fan of Apple stuff up until the switch to Intel processors. Old Apple stuff was great. But it hasn't been the same since the late 90s/early 2000s.

>>105980036

Maybe if you're a window licking ape that can't see obvious causality. A large chunk of Win10 users were recently forced to migrate to Win11.

>>105980013
People have been upset with Microsoft's recent direction for 15 years now. Sure, Windows gets worse and worse, but unless it becomes completely, totally unusable, there will be no real reason to move to macOS. At the end of the day only Windows has everything people want, macOS doesn't. Also you spend like a thousand dollars more to get a Mac that will probably still have worse specs than a far cheaper PC. Maybe everything turns out just right, and Windows emulation tools like Crossover and Parallels are refined to perfection, and Windows becomes totally unusable, (it is still rather far away from that) it will be reasonable to turn into a Macfag.

I like MacBooks a lot but would never buy one with a notch in the screen. Bought a ThinkPad Z13 and have been happy with it running Gentoo.

>>105980095

Nope. I'm literally a .NET/C# dev, lifetime Windows user, former PC hardo that would clown on Macs all day. Something massive has changed and you haven't sensed it yet.

Right around 2014-2016 I was actually really in love with what Microsoft was doing. Win10 was solid and functional, clean UI, C# and .NET were in a great place, VS Code came out. It's been like decay and stagnation since. They bricked one of my laptops with their forced bloatware. Win11 has been sluggish and freezing all the time on the other. The UI is ugly and Satya is sending the entirety of Microsoft to India. I'm out.

>>105980128
The future is sadly *nix and wine/proton/VM to emulate all the legacy Windows shit that is still around. Microsoft screwed themselves by dropping support for all that old stuff along with hiring a bunch of people that don't know anything. They did the same thing around the time Windows 2000/XP released. They laid off almost their entire programmer staff and replaced them with cheaper people. But they realized their mistake and actually put out a decent OS with 7 and yeah 10 wasn't as bad as people say it was (after updates). But 11 is plain awful. It came with my last laptop and I spent a couple of days with it before I sold the key off and replaced it with *nix OS.

I'd love to see a company release an actual new kernel+userland. But I doubt it'll ever happen now that the big companies are all attempting to go back to the old mainframe model. Except instead of a campus network it'll be normalfags with dumb terminals accessing someone else's computer over the internet. They don't need a good end user OS anymore because they want the dumb terminals locked down as much as possible.

>>105979984
>>105980053
It's an understandable mistake since I kind of hijacked OP's macbook thread, but I was asking about the Mac Mini. So I'm looking for a desktop setup.
If I was looking for a laptop then it would absolutely have to be a macbook. There'd be no question there, sorry. I have an 8GB M1 Air and it's a great machine.

>>105979957 (Me)
Anyway, I think I can answer my own question... it turns out there's only one VM product that can do it at all, and it's not actually usable. Just a tech demo basically.
So if I need x86 Windows, I need x86 hardware. Fair enough.

>>105979463 (OP)
I have a job. I like the Apple silicon macs a lot
I have a 15” M2 MBP for personal use and my work laptop is a 13” M1 MBP
Good screen, trackpad, Unix terminal

>>105980026
It's not just gaming availability, but also performance. I have a 4k 120hz monitor, and I wanna hit 120fps on 4k resolution regularly. Sure, on any old games I doubt any good Mac would have issues, but there are still a few new ones where I've looked up how well they emulate and they don't quite hit the performance I want. I'll wait, I think, until the M5 Max is out, at least. Hopefully it'll be good enough. (And Crossover more efficient) I'll wait on the Studio Display until they make one with 120hz. Can't live with 60hz.

>no linux
no, asahi is a joke and its development is massively gimped by apple being faggots

>>105979685
what do you mean? I do this with Xcode, I don't pay $100 a year.

>>105980465
Why are you so mad Apple loonix tranny?

>>105979463 (OP)
Depends. The neets are upset because they can't afford them and then there's the one desperately trying to paint Apple as a pajeet platform even though they have no market share over there because jeets can't afford them.

They're okay products, the Laptops are nice and power efficient but Apple would prefer it if you had less control over your own hardware and that fucking sucks.

>>105979463 (OP)
>camera notch
It's shit.
>soldered SSD with the firmware and everything on it
It's shit.

>>105980371
>>105979957

The article you posted is bullshit. There is no x86 hardware virtualization on apple silicon only software-based emulation. QEMU is the way to go. You can emulate any x86/x86_64 Windows/Linux/BSD with USB, sound, network etc.
i was able to run Win 11, Win 10 and Win 7 in QEMU on my M3 Pro macbook last year, Win 11 and Win 10 were unusable, Win 7 was surprisingly fast

>>105980569

The business model is simply jeet repellant as well.

>we want something that is stylish, tasteful, oriented around creative productivity, efficient over feature-rich, stable, reliable

This is speaking a foreign language to an Indian. They don't care how ugly, inefficient, slow it is as long as they can pack it with "features" and bloat.

>>105980434
rosetta is deprecated so hopefully no more shitty games on macs

>>105980617
The article is from Parallels' FAQ page. Good to know QEMU can do a little better, but
>Win 11 and Win 10 were unusable
my Windows setup is Win10 so sounds like this route still isn't a practical option.

>>105980617
You don't emulate a fucking OS for a different processor architecture. You virtualize Windows 11's ARM version. That then has good performance binary translation for x86 executables built in.

>>105980710
>Windows 11's ARM version
no drivers

>>105980710
In my (>>105979957) case, I need to run ancient shit (think very specific old versions of SQL Server, IIS, .NET). I know ideally you run ARM Windows, and I don't really know whether this stuff would run with windows-on-arm translation, but it feels very likely that at least one critical component would have issues. Anything short of rock solid means I'll need x86 hardware, I think.

>>105980013
Install Gentoo, paid shill.

>>105980053
I used to be a big Apple fan right up until they switched to Intel.
My first and only intel mac shat the bed randomly, I took it to the apple store, and I was told that I had spilled water on it (which I had not), and I would have to pay $900 for repairs + $100 for not telling them that I had spilled water on it (for real).

I shoved that macbook "pro" in a drawer and bought a ThinkPad E14, just like you said, and it's a wonderful machine. Solid, incredible battery life, repairable and expandable...

The way Apple has turned to shit over the years makes me angry, honestly. But you'd have to be really dumb to buy an Apple product these days if you value your money at all.

>>105979463 (OP)
OH, SAY CAN YOU SEEEEEEEEEE BY THE iTODDLER's

>>105980309
>I have an 8GB M1 Air and it's a great machine
Bro that's barely a phone. Stop it.
>>105980240
The only thing Apple still has in their favor is that you basically need Apple hardware to develop for their devices. If these anti-consumer practices were to be outlawed, which might happen at some point, there's no reason to not use Linux or Windows with WSL2 over macOS. Literally none.

>>105980395
Yes, your job is shilling apple products on /g/. Jesus.

Memes aside, we are a:

>AMD board
>Arch Linux board
>KDE board
>Anti-jeet board

Now when the average raging homosexual (a.k.a. Apple users) start being straight again, then we can talk.

>>105980647
And this was when Apple was still somewhat not run entirely by the marketing team.

>>105979463 (OP)
Overpriced facebook machine that can't even do CUDA. Useless.

>>105980874
>Bro that's barely a phone. Stop it.
It's a great machine for tasks that can fit within its wheelhouse, which in my case means web browsing and some lightweight dev with Node.
Docker is out of the question on this so currently I work on heavier projects on my 32GB Windows desktop.

I don't need to work on large projects portably but, if I did, I would definitely buy a 32GB+ M4 MBP.

the defective devices are true.

I once was in an apple store just checking out, an old man enters the store and ask for help because its device keeps electrocuting him, the hipster salesmen looks at the old man and tells him.

> you are using the device wrong

lmao he told that to the poor old man with a straight face blaming him for the clearly defective device.
What are the chances of coming across a random old man and its defective device? From then on when someone complains about a defective apple product i just believe them.
I don't trust a brand that couches its employees to blame the costumer, never ever.

>>105980465
>Linux
You'd be better off staying on an old Windows version than using that garbage
Until proper companies make an actual effort to turn it into a proper working OS, Linux will always be a meme

>>105980940
>I would definitely buy a 32GB+ M4 MBP
Why? You got me to engage, let's see you earn your paycheck.
What does that MBP give you over a real computer?

>>105980949
>Linux will always be a meme

Apple is even more a meme if we look at steam stats

>>105980944
>>105980853

kek now these sound like the real shill posts

>one time a feeble old man had his Mac break, walked into the Mac store they laughed at him and kept saying HUH HUH HUHHH. Then they slapped his face and charged him $100 for wasting his time.

>>105980949
You make very insightful points. I have never thought of Linux that way until now.
You are a very intelligent person who clearly thinks a lot about things.

>>105980969
I'm the second post. I swear it's true. I can't be bothered to find the email they sent me, but I know it sounds unbelievable.
So unbelievable that you would probably react the same way I did.

Fuck them, seriously. Apple is a dark, dark company.

>>105980979
Thank you for your understanding. It's always nice when someone understands the worthlessness of Linux.

>>105980988
>dark, dark
Reddit/X is that way, anon
Here on 4chan we speak like mature adults

>>105980964
Sorry, I don't feel like debating it. I've used Thinkpads and I've used Macbooks, and if I needed to switch to using a laptop as my only machine then I know what I would buy. You obviously feel differently and that's fine.
For desktop it's different. The Mac Mini is neat but I'm finding it hard to justify compared to building a miniITX rig. Especially if you need a lot of RAM, which I do.

>>105980856
Go back to >>>/a/ animefag

>>105979463 (OP)
I hate Apple. Some of the products are fine, but they don't make anything so essential that I'm willing to overlook their anti-white jewish bullshit. Their only saving grace is that somehow alphabet and microsoft are even worse and already thoroughly jeeted.

>>105979463 (OP)
can't repair them therefore I don't care about them, they could be the fastest computer in the entire universe it would not matter

>>105979463 (OP)
It depends on what you're doing. A base model w/16GB of RAM is fine if you're not doing anything CPU intense. I personally think it's worth getting a pro model. If you have any interest in LLMs get 48GB to run models optimized for 5090s with room to spare. If you know you'll be doing LLM max out the RAM. Always buy applecare.

>>105979463 (OP)
I have a mbp 14" m4 16/512, it's the best laptop i've owned. Great screen, battery, trackpad, overall performance. Only a poor wouldn't agree.

>>105980514
You need to pay for Xcode if you own apple devices (e.g. Apple TV) and don't have Apple computer. They force you to go all-Apple if you want to develop for their walled garden shit.

All the people here bragging about
>I have a job and I love Apple
aren't buying their own computers. They're getting a free computer from work and working on mostly walled garden shit (phone apps) or webapps (same thing really).

There is absolutely no reason to own Apple shit if you do "real work" aka working on the kernels that run the world and actual desktop applications. That and editing video. All the high end stuff you need to work with video is tied to *nix now. Used to be tied to Windows and before that Amiga. But now everything is being done on *nix machines for encoding and editing. Where I work we even have our own fork of Xorg now because they refused to accept our patches for multi-monitor+HDR. We've been maintaining it ourselves since 2016. Apple offers nothing for us to switch. We need high-end AMD64 CPUs and we need high-end GPUs.

>>105981428
really?

>>105980944
what kind of fanfiction is this? apple stores don't have hipster salesmen anymore. way to age yourself boomer millennial. It's not 2011 anymore. And wtf are you doing creeping out an old man? Peak incel energy there.

>>105980928
how much is jensen paying you to shill closed source software?

>>105981428
what are your thoughs on wayland

>>105981571
>what kind of fanfiction is this? apple stores don't have hipster salesmen anymore. way to age yourself boomer millennial. It's not 2011 anymore. And wtf are you doing creeping out an old man? Peak incel energy there.
Yes it happened years ago but i was not creeping :S, i was on my own looking a laptop and the old man approached the display model that he owned casually being besides me.
I swear they still employ hypsters!

>>105981571
How much is Tim cuck is paying you to shill his closed source walled garden?

>>105979463 (OP)
Objectively, the only viable laptop

>>105981654
are you esl? did you see anywhere in my post defending apple?

>>105979463 (OP)
/g/ is a poorfag board

>>105981428
What is `brew` and `cask`.
MacOS is still unix based

>>105979957
>>105980804
parallels.

>>105982166
parallels is nice. if you need games, crossover is the solution.

>>105979463 (OP)
there is no single opinion on the board, different ppl with different goals and income

if you don't need vidya and have enough money - pretty solid choice. nice build quality, awesome performance, unified memory. but damn it's so much expensive.
though for ~ 95% of ppl regular chromebook would be more than enough to cover the needs - internet, video calls, movies

>>105980967
>if we look at steam stats
lol, lmao even
but even in your own argument, macos got native (and working, lol) ports for death stranding, resident evil 4 remake and cyberpunk, before loonix ever will

>>105981575
It's shit and I don't really care about it. Nothing I use day-to-day will ever go wayland-only. The group developing wayland-only shit is never going to develop or influence anyone that develops the shit I use. It's a bad protocol with a lot of problems that will never be fixed because they refuse to work with others. I am excited that a new Xorg fork might finally take the patches we've been trying to send upstream for YEARS. I've tried working with those people multiple times and they're all rude and most of them seem pretty stupid in my limited experience with them. We don't use Linux so it doesn't really effect us so I don't really care what they do. If I do need some wayland-only shit I can run it fine within Xorg. Note: I don't particularly like Xorg either.

>>105981571
>how much is jensen paying you to shill closed source software?
None of our stack is closed source. We used a lot of shit built around ffmpeg and related open source codecs. We use Blender. We use Domesday devices. We use *synth plug-ins and our own comfy clone of virtuadub that's been modernized and uses modern tools.

>>105980988
>Apple is a dark, dark company.
yeah, I bet they test all their products on animals and their leather cases are made with human children skin

>the program tab is called product in X-Code
What sort of absolutely jeet builshit is this?
It could be program, it could be app, but no, it's product because you're making the next scam thing to sell to the hipsters, you're not creating anything, you're just being a fucking drone.

>grasping at straws while seething this hard
lol

>>105981141
>>105076684

>>105980001
>$500
Just checked and it's actually 600. Also 16gb ram and 256gb storage is nothing in current year, it's ok if you only use your computer to read the news. From their "customize" page:
>24 GB unified memory +$200.00
>32 GB unified memory +$400.00

>512 GB SSD storage +$200.00
>1 TB SSD storage +$400.00
>2 TB SSD storage +$800.00
, it's not very honest. I just checked the prices for laptop ram and small sized nvme and:
>32 GB, DDR5, 6400 MHz ram $200
>2 TB, 7.3 Gb/s read speed, 6 Gb/s write speed, M.2 2230 nvme $250
which of course will not work with mac mini

>>105979494
But the brand is whats paying these shills to subvert the board, so that justifies hate towards the brand as well

>>105985123
I mean I understand that they need to earn money somehow and that other companies that make laptops and mini-PCs are in many ways retarded, but this is just disappointing. The market is very shitty for all devices now.

>>105979463 (OP)
Macs are fine. /g/ are just a bunch of projecting poorfags who paste the same copypastas over and over again, thinking they're original. Some people's biggest achievements in life are shitting in the /fag/ thread.

Apple Silicon machines are amazing. Shit is fast and you know everything works. Not to mention Apple quality trackpads, screens, sound, ecosystem integration etc etc.

Windows is pushing more and more ads and copilot bs into their OS, tho it stays undisputed king at gaming.

Linux is hit or miss (usually miss) where shit breaks at random when you need it to work. Even on LTS releases (t. daily drove diff versions of ubuntu lts for years with more issues than I'd like to have).

>>105982156
Its not the same and you know it. You get access to some POSIX tools but you can't compile your own kernel and you're in their walled garden. Plus you can't do a lot of things like I mentioned. The newer laptops have a bad CPU for such tasks and you aren't able to intensive tasks on it due to it not being able to keep itself cool and the fact that most everything is optimized for x86-64.

I was a big fan of Apple in the m68k, PowerPC, and even the early x86-64 days. But they started producing bullshit around the time their founder with ass cancer died. The hardware is no longer worth the price of admission and the software side of things is depressing. Let's be real here you can buy a $200 used thinkpad that's 4-6 years old and get a better computer. It'll also be repairable. So when the battery needs to be replaced or if you want to drop in more RAM/a SSD/CPU upgrade you can do so. Might even came with a touchscreen the last time I bought one. They usually come mostly untouched too. I think the last one I got was basically brand new and never used. Some company purchased it then it got re-sold when they upgraded without ever being put into use.

The market as a whole is shit. There is no reason to pay so much for the shit you're getting.

imagine buying an oversized iphone that you couldn't repair at all.

>>105979463 (OP)
>Is /g/ still a Mac hate board?
/g/ is a hive of neets stuck on $100 used stinkpads and budget chinkphones
>what's the consensus on current year MacBooks in general?
they're excellent in practically every way aside from the amount of ports (esp air)

>>105985773
>Linux is hit or miss
If you want Unix use a *BSD. Linux sucks because every distro is someone tossing a bunch of shit together. It always breaks because upstream is retarded.

With the BSDs you get a kernel developed in tandem with the base system. Which is the init, coreutils and a bunch of other tools. That also includes the display server in most of them. This way you have a guarantee that the system won't randomly break because you pulled updates. The base system will just werk no matter what you do with ports. You get all the stuff you like about Linux in an OS that doesn't move so quickly. When they do make a major change you know it's coming for months and can prepare for it. Or you can hold back on the old version and get backports for security updates. It's the best middle ground currently if you don't want to fuck with maintaining your OS all of the time. Plus you get stuff like ZFS by default without all the autism that comes along with using such things with the Linux kernel.

Long story short don't fall for the "cuck license" shitposts. Don't listen to GNU zealots (but do use their software).

>>105985123
why is 16GB ram insufficient? I only upgraded to 32gb ~1 year ago on my main desktop and purely due to gayming
for every person who needs shittons of k8s/docker trash you have 20 people for whom 16GB is fine
I guess it can be a problem if you use muh apple intelligence but well why would anyone do this
>256GB storage
an issue on laptops, but a mini is a desktop so you just connect an external SSD enclosure and put in 4TB or whatever you need. TB4 is more than fast enough for excellent transfer speeds

>>105985967
16GB of RAM is starting to become an issue even if you're not doing much. Firefox and Chrome love to gobble up RAM like crazy now. I've had to resort to using compression on my machine with 16GB of RAM to work day-to-day now. Not sure if you can do that on Apple shit.

If you build stuff from source RAM is starting become more of a problem than it already was. All these fad languages require tons of it at build time.

>>105986023
apple implemented memory compression 10 years ago, apple silicon has hardware memory compression so it's more efficient and faster than any x86 solution

>>105986093
Okay well that doesn't matter because compression is really fast anyway. I don't notice it at all. Its not like compressing RAM is very intensive in the first place plus I have 8 real cores now so even if I had to dedicate one to that task it wouldn't matter.

>>105985773
>projecting poorfags
>>105985939
>hive of neets stuck on $100 used stinkpads and budget chinkphones
I have valve index which I bought for $1k, steamdeck for $1k and a datacenter GPU for more than $2k, and I think that apple products are a bad deal.

>vendor lock-in: the company
thanks I'm good

>>105985967
>why is 16GB ram insufficient
Well for me it was unreal engine, but everyone has it's own reasons. Before UE I had 8gb ram and HDD and everything was fine. Now i need 64gb ram and 8tb ssd for my job, but this is probably a rare case. I mean 32 GB ram / 2tb ssd is my estimated average for doing some actual work.

>>105986277
You have to keep up with the bloat. I built a machine in 2013 with 16GB of RAM. It was fine for about 10 years. But the last few years have been an issue with a lot of the stuff I do for no good reason. Too many people shipping shit now that consumes tons of RAM for no reason other than they're lazy and refuse to optimize anything.

>>105986301
>for no reason other than they're lazy and refuse to optimize anything
the reason is that RAM is vastly cheaper than my time and if you can't afford RAM I'm probably not interested whether you can run my shit

>>105986359
No you're just a lazy faggot and your time isn't worth shit if you can't do simple things like not consuming 4+GB of RAM for no reason. If you software can't run on a 486 you have no business writing software.

>>105986401
>If you software can't run on a 486 you have no business writing software.
kek you're free to write it yourself

>>105986428
I do and I don't require an entire browser engine to do it.

>>105986506
>I do
>But the last few years have been an issue with a lot of the stuff I do for no good reason. Too many people shipping shit now that consumes tons of RAM
I don't see the issue then

>>105986528
The issue is you faggots have normalized a culture of being lazy as fuck and pushing more and more bloat on end users. Along with that you insist on pushing shit like Rust on to end users. Which makes older machines obsolete for no reason. When you're told this the answer is always
>Get with the times and buy a new PC, what are you poor?
You know just because something built on your dev machine doesn't mean it works as intended everywhere. Also you faggots seem hell bent on doing anything but making decent GUIs. It's like you're retarded and don't know how to properly place buttons to the most used functions of an application. You don't have any problem linking to discord and whatever digital tin cup you're begging for donations with though.

It'd ridiculous and I'm tired of seeing it. You only get away with it because the hardware vendors need and excuse to sell the same hardware they were selling 10 years ago. Only slightly renamed and in a new form factor sometimes. If software wasn't getting shitter by the year new devices wouldn't be required the moment the end user's contract or warranty is about to run out. You would not be getting away with this type of bullshit in 1998.

>>105979494
chad post

>>105986401
>If you software can't run on a 486 you have no business writing software.
anon is sort of right. ideally business software should run on a whole bunch of different configs, and you can always be certain someone goes full jew and gets underpowered shit to save money.
> like not consuming 4+GB of RAM for no reason.
that's just shit design of the operating system. it's very bloated. this is why you never buy 8gb versions of macs. not only does your ram disappear it'll thrash the fuck out of your ssd by constantly reading/writing virtual memory.

>>105986845
>bitching about rust
>when it comes to muh resource consumption
>in a world where electron apps are the norm
do you expect people to program in assembly???
>ok so I want an excellent, smooth as fuck GUI but also you have to fit within 64kb of RAM because what if I go back to my parents and want to use my pentium II desktop
you're like those people screeching that people dare to use jquery (30KB! the horror) or whatever makes-JS-easier-to-use library is in vogue, while the average page contains 5MB of tracking scripts and 25MB of unoptimized pictures

fact of the matter is, hardware is cheap as fuck nowadays and nobody but autists really give a shit if something takes 50MB ram or 250MB ram. for that matter, nobody really gives a shit if you want to use a device from 2008 or are extremely compute-starved because cheap customers are cunts anyways
fuckin budget chinkphones have 8gb ram

>>105986845
>You would not be getting away with this type of bullshit in 1998.
apple don't get away with it, which is why their computer market so tiny and why their reputation is bad. the majority of apple's profits in current year come from iphone/ipad/and related services. even they don't give a fuck about their computers anymore.

>>105986965
anon was right.
>nobody but autists
this is how you can tell you're permanently unemployed and know absolutely nothing about computers, operating systems or programming languages.
> but it has 8gb ram!
> don't mind me, my slop program only takes 2gb of ram because i can't code and decided to use all these pointless frameworks and libraries because i have the programming skills of a rabies infected ape
> it's just 2gb! we're in 20xx and shieeet
shut the fuck up.

>>105979685
sudo codesign --force --deep -s - /Applications/yourmom.app && xattr -rd com.apple.quarantine /Applications/yourmom.app

there is no equivalent to macs

macs have:
>soldered SSD/RAM/WLAN
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 years
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replace
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen times
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcam
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flights
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware accelerators
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs
>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keys
doesnt exist on 99% of PCs

>keyboards with 63.5% failure rate
unheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"
just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any good
this list goes on forever
there's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter books
they are the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones

>>105986989

The people I know who own Macs literally never go any other direction. Their laptops last like a decade+ without a hitch. Mac has smaller market share because they have higher standards and insist on black box hardware and tight coupling between their computer and the OS. It also used to be much more expensive in the 2000's so PC was the more accessible entry point for the family computer.

The price gap has shrunk and people have realized the value of an OS/hardware dynamic that is coupled and optimized, especially while Microsoft goes off on an endless bloat and forced update tangent.

>>105987149
>Mac has smaller market share because they have higher standards
that's not how it works. at all.

>>105987149
get a toilet currynigger

Bought a maxed out MBP 15" 10 years ago and while it's still good on paper, apple rendered it useless.

Can't update OS, can't install updated apps like Blender or Web browsers. The battery is also a pain to replace and only chink low quality replicas are available.

So yeah, I don't think I'd buy it again

>>105987174

Yes it is dipshit. Higher price, more limitations, less evangelism. No one myself included ever claimed Mac or MacOS runs worse than Windows or a PC, we hated that they were double the price, uncustomizable, fashion objects.

>>105987199

>currynigger

That's cute Satya! How are those 50,000 new positions in Hyderabad going?

>>105987243
>10 years
that's a long time for a laptop. install linux.

>>105987289
>2018
seethe, lol

>retard dumps his 2010's era mac-hate folder of boomermemes

stunning endorsement

>>105987588
>apple silicon currynigger books are 2010's era

stunning street shit

>>105987614
>to make everything fit
>empty space everywhere

>>105987588
It seems like they never outgrew their horrible fucking engineering.

>>105987263
finaly, user generated personalisation features.

This guy is terrified lmao. Should we have this thread every day?

>>105987647
yes he's has been seething for 10 years

>"b-but if you run out of RAM you will degrade your SSD into un-un-unusability!"
it is rather odd that poojets STILL keep repeating it despite 16GB being the minimum since last year and despite M1 releasing with 8GB RAM in 2020 and it actually not happening

>no affordable 96GB vram gpus
why do (((they))) hate us?

>>105987951
street shit harder currynigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZuv4TIjk-I

>>105987663
it just takes a few minutes to search for the solution to this. your seethe folder is out of date.

>>105988154
it just takes a few minutes to search for a toilet. your street shit is curried

>>105987951
>STILL going on about macs
this is some next level buyer's remorse
you can buy things you know? it's ok to buy stupid shit, you're not completely retarded if you don't just pay pennies for API access

>>105981428
>Where I work we even have our own fork of Xorg now because they refused to accept our patches for multi-monitor+HDR
Would you mind posting those? Please? Pretty Please? I'm stranded on Xorg and would love to actually use my HDR mointors in HDR mode.