>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high end: consider 2x32GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: Acer XV271U M3, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>105940279

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>105977002

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super specs: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.
Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: uncertain long-term reliability. Update BIOS if you buy these.

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

I AM CUMMING REEEE

WHO WAITING FOR THREADRIPPER 9000?

AMD won.

>>105986504
yes they won the most supportive MNC in India award

Is it true that the B840 chipset isn't going to be supported by future generations of AM5 CPUs?

>>105986518
no current AM5 board will, due to the changes they’re making to memory controller configuration

>>105986551
it supposedly only breaks support for certain 1DPC boards but even that sounds iffy

>>105986504
>amd gpu market share is at all time low
i unironically hope intel can make some decent mid-high range gpus in the coming years

who /gb300/ here

>>105986518
They're getting the next set of CPU releases, these might be APUs (new -G SKUs).
https://overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/msi-enables-future-cpu-support-with-amd-am5-motherboard-bios-updates/

Will they get Zen 6 support? Probably.
B840 boards are missing PCIe 5 lanes and have fewer USB ports.
They appear to have fewer VRMs, but board manufacturers will just set restrictive power limits.
I see a 9950X3D being compatible with an MSI B840 board.

>>105986473 (OP)
>Still not recommending a 2x48 6000 CL30 kits
KYS

>>105986584
Literally no one. Touch grass.

so does smooth motion frames even help the 40 series at all? or are the current generations of cards still better?

After a long arduous search for best bang per buck card, bought a new XFX Merc 9060 XT 16gb to replace my 1060 6gb and join a long serving R5 1600 and upped the ram, honestly couldn't be happier, hardware offerings are horrible right now, nvidia has nothing good in the budget cards segment with more than 8 gigs of vram that's capable of decent 1440p, was considering also making the jump to AM5, but again, not really worth it return wise.

I still remember the jump from a Phenom II X4 GTS 450 to that R5 1600 and the GTS 1060, it blew my fucking mind, now it's so damn expensive to make a similar jump and get the same return, wouldn't really advise anyone of upgrading.

hdr 1400 is fucking insane, but imagine if hdr true black 1400 was a thing

>>105986612
2x 64GB kits are out. 32GB more memory > slightly lower latency.
https://www.gskill.com/community/1502239313/1752040462/G.SKILL-Announces-Availability-of-High-Capacity-Overclocked-Memory-Kits-Up-To-DDR5-6000-256GB-64GBx4

>>105986668
OLED monitors will be stuck at True Black 600 for a while. I'm guessing MAX OLED panels will achieve this rating (accounting for ABL).

>>105986567
Most PC gamers are happy with a serviceable video card priced at around $200~400; this is the price range that moves market share.

>>105986656
AMD and NVIDIA are speccing gaming GPUs with the next 2~3 generations in mind.
The name of the game is to drip-feed generational performance gains for as long as possible.

>>105986584
>3x 12vhpwr
three phase combustion?

>>105986668
hdr600 is enough for me desu
i'm just waiting for an oled with anti-blur that works with vrr

>>105986673
>slightly slower latency
You can't really buy the cl32 kit, meanwhile you can buy 2x48 cl26 kits freely
Also why would you recommend 2x32 when 2x48 is better in everything (capacity, MT/s, latencies)

>>105986737
>The name of the game is to drip-feed generational performance gains for as long as possible.


4090 was 50% of 3090 and 5090 is 30% over 4090

massive gains are made on Nvidia's side at least

>>105986851
>4090 was 50% of 3090
More like 70%+ on average, nearing 100% in some outliers (CP2077 RT for instance). 4090 was a huge perf leap, 5090 in comparison is quite terrible and one of the lowest perf gains per generation in the last 10+ years, especially if you take into account that it uses 150W more than the 4090 and doesn't really come with any new features.

any asus board owners with a 9800x3d? ComboAM5 PI 1.2.0.3f just dropped in a new bios

>>105986918
5090 is basically a 4090 with moar memory for AI and slightly more processing power (not all structures were increased proportionally e.g. ROPs) incidentally because of the space memory controllers take up

>>105986851
Because the RTX -90 tier of GPUs isn't restricted by a laptop's area & efficiency requirements.
My point is true the lower the tier you go; it used to be the opposite in the good ole days where a GTX 1060 easily was within 10% of the 980's performance.

>>105986813
11.333 ns first word latency isn't the end of the world; you make tradeoffs by going with higher capacity modules.
Workstation PCs prioritize memory bandwidth over latency.

>why would you recommend 2x32GB
Relic of the old OP, you're the first to cry about this after many different OPs had that recommendation.

>>105986584
usecase?

>>105986958
ai related tasks

>>105986584
it's so weird looking at normal components on some frankensteined ARM abortion board

it came, bros

>>105986590
Yeah they dropped one for the Tuf x670e recently the only thing that makes me not want to update is that apparently this bios update is irreversible which i've never seen before and i've done a fair few bios updates to this board already since launch and iv'e never seen this before

>>105986971
sir, put down the AI generated child pornography

>>105986986
now you can smell her panties

>>105986986
Give it back, Jamoquaenious

>>105986988
If you plan to get a Zen 6 CPU, you're upgrading the board BIOS.
If Zen 6 isn't part of your plan, you can stay on whichever stable BIOS you want.

>>105986986
Neiss enjoy Fren

>>105986934
no 1.2.0.3f for b850-f
i have 9950x3d, probably not gonna bother

>>105987016
give it a couple hours

>>105986986
Are you going to decorate the rest of your PC? Grats.

>>105987002
That depends on how performance is for Zen6 as im currently using a 7700X also i really hope they fix the Pcie bifurcation with x900 series boards as x800 series is absolutely gimped even on x870e

>>105987022
>>105987016
actually, give it a few days. based on the last bios update, your board got it like 5 days later

>>105986986
that glove ain't fooling nobody nigga

>>105986986
what does the gpu look like doe

>>105987036
Zen6 should be good with the revamped IOD. The trash Infinity Fabric speeds murderizing latency on non-X3D chips is what Zen 5% such a disappointment. Plus they'll be moving to 12-core CCDs which should give a nice MT perf boost on top of whatever other IPCs gain there are. I just hope AMD will finally bring out more simultaneous X3D SKUs at launch instead of drip-feeding them.

>>105987077
like this, dont mind my dusty case

>>105987108
bro...clean that shit jesus christ

What's a good 6-10TB hard drive?

>>105987128
i would rather buy a new case

>>105986473 (OP)
hey OP, stop recommending Acer monitors full stop. Their warranty dept makes ASUS look like a consumer-friendly platform. You're better off just buying a new monitor when your Acer monitor goes to shit within warranty.

>>105987176
steal*

>>105987184
buying acer anything is awful

>>105987108
that would look infinitely better if you had a 360 aio

>>105987108
jesus christ invest in some pvc mesh screening to lower your dust intake at least you animal. You must be brown.
ebay.com.au/itm/353857066345

>>105987106
>simultaneous X3D SKUs at launch
the only way they're realistically doing that is if they delay the non-3d parts by 3 months until x3d is ready

>>105987184
Recommend a replacement, considering the Gigabyte M27Q ($230).
This would be easy if Dell didn't sell an inferior successor to the G2724D.
G2725D sucks, Alienware AW2725DM probably suffered the same cost-cutting compared to the AW2724DM.

>>105987106
>just hope AMD will finally bring out more simultaneous X3D SKUs at launch instead of drip-feeding them.
One can hope bro i also hope we get some more Pcie lanes as well especially since they've basically decided to go all in on Nvme storage

>>105987211
>You must be brown.
impossible the hand is white >>105986986

>>105986473 (OP)
>KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
English review https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-m27t6-review/

we like spics and jeets here on /g/

>>105987108
>New Gpu
>installs it into gross dusty PC that hasn't been cleaned in god knows how long
So you buy a brand new graphics card and you don't even clean your Pc disgusting i can only imagine how bad your room is fix your life dude

>>105987211
ok nibber, i added it to next month's shop list, just for you

>>105987326
he represents the average amdjeet

>>105987313
The reviewer mindfucking with readers by not including the M27T6 in the comparison charts.

>>105987337
buy an AIO

>>105987340
Stfu cunt

>>105987349
is it recommended for the cpu?

Every monitor tech sucks it only depends on what kind of sucking you prefer. All OLEDs burn in and flicker at low rgb values with the refresh rate. LCDs backlights degrade too just like individual oled pixel but on the whole picture and have shitty black levels. LCDs dimming zones individually degrade.

Every monitor sucks except for truly flicker free reference grade dual layer lcd monitors. But these have shitty latency, only 60Hz, cost a fortune and need like 500Watts power

>pic rel shows oled flicker on rgb vales 31

>>105987368
>i dont read threads
>by the way guys will this single tower be sufficient for a 9950x?

>>105987337
Crucial/Micron DDR5 is inferior to ones with Hynix ICs.
Not the end of the world if you just want a reasonably priced white kit.

>>105987248
For an entry-level Fast-IPS option I'm partial to the KTC H27T22 for $160:
https://www.displayninja.com/ktc-h27t22-review/
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CHRCZG2K

If you want to China-MAXX, right now there's also the Vaimi MA7 MAX which ticks all of the same spec boxes for only $130:
https://www.amazon.com/VAIMI-Gaming-Monitor-180Hz-Computer/dp/B0DLWM1HF2

>>105987402
so something like picrel?

>run occt on ram oc
>everything looks good
>blue screen at 59 minutes in
On one hand, it's good that it caught it. On the other hand, nigger.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/wuchang-fallen-feathers-geforce-game-ready-driver/

UPDATE NOW

>>105986851
Yeah let me go grab a 5090 to replace my 4090 real quick.

Nigga if I'm buying a graphics card I expect that shit to last me 3 years minimum, and it's not just about the improvement, it's about what could've been, and we could have better higher performance cards if they didn't want to rip every penny from you, no reason an entry low level card can't have 10+ gigs of vram except to force you into a higher price bracket, phone manufacturers have been doing this shit for years, just release the same shit with marginal improvements and a couple of gimmicks to tease retards with more money than brains.

>>105987108
>daisy-chained power cables
im pretty sure you aren't supposed to do that

>>105987537
i wonder what they broke this time

>>105987597
>i wonder what they broke this time
Everything

>>105987573
I think most power supplies are like that and its fine. Its 100% more fine than 12VHP on a 4090 or 5090

>>105987542
yeah nvidia literally said in their investors meeting that their plan to get consumers to upgrade gpu tiers have worked tremendously well

>>105987500
sticks are getting too hot
or you need more IMC voltage
try prime95 large FFTs and see how quickly that fails

>>105987573
You are meant to be able to do that for lower power GPUs. If it draws no more than what 2x8-pins can deliver then pigtailing is fine.

>>105987500
>>105987795
Just run memtest86

>>105986473 (OP)
>great airflow. very good porosity on this interesting mesh design. Other brands should definitely take notice

>>105987108
https://youtu.be/dinyOvO2EEo

>>105987804
Ideally he would look at his power supply and see which rails provide what amount of 12V wattage and then be like at least 20% above the GPUS tdp wattage.

>>105987905
We put it into the amionymyotic chamber and it was right down the middle in noise.

Why is the node 304's front fan panel mesh so fucking hard to open?
Who thought this was a good idea and why the fuck did cooler master abandon their mini itx case that could hold a fuck ton of SSD?
Also why are SFF cases so expensive and anything with more than 4 HDD support not made over 10 years ago cost an arm and a leg?

>>105987996
because they are bad and nobody should be buying them

>>105988029
Low power server/Nas is the perfect use case for them. The modern cases like the Jonsbo that tries to fill in that market is absolute dog shit because it chokes out the HDD for some fucking reason

>>105987108
I wish I had job...

>>105987337
Mesh filter? Buy a nylon one, anon, don't be a dumb cunt with smooth brain. Pvc mesh obstructs airflow. Or use nylon fabric and magnets.

>>105988210
i found this after sorting by review, gonna go with 3x2 of these
https://www.amazon.de/-/en/gp/product/B0BMXMX5XR

>>105987542
>Yeah let me go grab a 5090 to replace my 4090 real quick.
Where's the loss though?
People that bought the 4090 at launch had it worth more 3 years later. They all could have sold and bought a 5090 and made money

>>105986473 (OP)
That is such a funny looking case and I love it.

>>105986473 (OP)
Is it worth the extra 100 dollars to get a used 5070 over a 4070

>buy from amazon
>item goes out for delivery on the day its supposed to
>even gives you a time frame
>and you can track the driver when he's 10 or less stops away from you
say what you want about amazon but their delivery service >>>>> fedex and it is not close

also
>what is that
a small vesa monitor stand and some vesa compatible screws

>>105988541
its only 10% faster

>>105988541
Just wait for 5000 super

I want a good OLED. Im gonna spend around 2k to replace a 9 year old rig. Any good OLED monitors on the market ??

>>105988838
just get any of the 4k 240hz oleds on the market now. brand is irrelevant as they're all samsung panels. they're getting cheaper and cheaper. pretty sure you can even get one for like 600 bucks

>>105988838
They all have the same relative performance for two gens in a row get whatever is on sale under 25%+ and read the rtings review. The deviations are small.

>>105986851
The xx60 class cards haven't been good since 3060/3060ti

>>105988848
>>105988867
funny how just 2 years ago i was here bitching about how expensive oleds were, and now they're almost as cheap as ips panels were back then

>>105988715
I like how fedex guys get paid $120k a year to be lazy. They're just like me.

>>105988892
FedEx has actually moved to gig and contract workers.
Part of the reason they are so terrible now, zero accountability with FedEx ground drivers, I hear that even FedEx express uses non-employees now.

>>105988838
Burn in scares me, I'd just get a fuck huge ultra wide high refresh rate monitor with good contrast and colors, and put the cash into the components that drive it

Alright, I know fuck all about what I'm doing, but I tried doing a little research. How does this look? What kind of monitor should I get with this setup, 1440p or 4k?

>july 22
>still no amd driver for the month

>>105989095
mesa 25.1.6 came out last week

>>105989105
25.7.1 is MIA

A few days ago I put together a 4000€ TR4 workstation machine, but I wasn't amused by the real-world performance. I guess those cores wasn't any better than a regular 7600X, but there were lots of them Windows can't really utilize. Sure this machine was built for special programs, but it's still fascinating that a much, much cheaper PC can do the basic stuff just as quick.

>>105989095
Ugh... why would you want a driver update. You miss those tasty shader compilation stutters?

>>105989175
chrome is broken and this update is supposed to fix it but they're dragging their feet.

>>105989156
Clock speed makes a bigger difference than having more cores once you have at least 6 of them

>>105989068
These components are plenty for 2k, I'd aim for a 4k monitor

motherboard wise, if you're planning the system to last you, invest in a good well equipped mobo, this one doesn't have PCIe X5, most B650 motherboards don't, not that you'll x16 full speed but still, future proof, so maybe look at a different chipset, also no reason not to get a full ATX board if you're not constrained by space, you'll need the extra ports, at the very least, the m2 ones.

>>105989179
>chrome is broken
Are you serious?
I'm not suprised tho

>>105989187
That's true, no wonder modern CPUs boost the single-core clock speeds as much as they can.

>>105989068
Peerless Assassin SE V3 is the better choice because it includes newer fans (lower noise for the same static pressure).
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vZfV3C/thermalright-peerless-assassin-120-se-v3-7084-cfm-cpu-cooler-pa120se-v3

Your CPU might not be able to run that 6400MT/s EXPO setting at the ideal 1:1 memory speed to memory controller speed (MEMCLK:UCLK) ratio.
If the CPU can't run the EXPO at 1:1 mode and if you're comfortable with tweaking values in the BIOS, you can just downclock the memory speed to 6000MT/s and change the primary timings to 30-38-38 or something similar.

I would rather get the WD SN5000 2TB (TLC & faster write speed) drive than the P3 Plus (QLC).
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vLGhP6/western-digital-wd-blue-sn5000-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds200t4b0e

Do you understand the T&Cs of the Newegg promotion for that 5070 Gaming Trio?
You pay the full $649.99 + taxes, Newegg might be able to email you a $100 store gift card code within 3~4 days of purchase.
Buy the card first, wait for the code, and use it on the other parts available on Newegg.

You don't have to pay for a W11 license.
https://massgrave.dev/

>>105989214
What's the point of getting "motherboard to last" when we only have one more cpu generation before starting over with new hardware?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQqQABhEDs

Holy fuck what happened with 9070XT? I saw dozens of new benchmark videos where it beats 5070 Ti consistently.

>>105989156
Most programs still don't have good multi core/thread support, and generally single core performance matters a lot more, It's why using server grade cpus isn't really viable outside the tasks they were built to perform, better to have 6 good cores than 16 mid ones.

>>105989270
are these type videos ever accurate

>>105989270
Game & OS updates improved performance more than the Adrenaline drivers.

>>105989215

>>105989258
So what's the point building a PC now at all if you're just gonna throw it away once the next gen drops?, might as well get a 5800X3D with a used AM4 system and a new graphics card.

>>105989270
Rule 1 of pcbg is to take AMD UnBoxed's claims with spoonfuls of salt

>>105989286
It's also probably just devs and Microsoft finally focusing on AMD a little bit since 9000 series is popular and Nvidia market share dropped to 74% on Steam.

>>105989292
This is literally a decade old problem lmao
I had my r9 380 and YouTube would constantly stutter with hardware decoding enabled.

>>105989305
That's a good idea, no reason to buy the top right before a correction.

>>105989305
First gen using the new ddr tech is never worth buying because those ram sticks will be badly priced with loose timings and will age like milk compared to sticks released 12-18 months later

>>105989318
it doesn't stutter if you watch youtube on firefox or youtube-dl on your favorite media player. its just chrome

AMD needs to just give up on Radeon, they're taking up space that Intel or Nvidia could use to make gpus that are actually worth buying.

>>105989342
DDR5 still has loose timings so if anything it can only get better from here

>>105989347
Radeon used to be king and they still are

>>105989347
Can't wait for my 700$ 6070 gpu with 10 gigs of vram that can't push out a decent 4k framerate without DLSS™ on.

>>105989286
AMUnboxed has got to tone the shilling down
he's not the only one with a 9070XT those retard claims can all be vetted and people are finally sick that shilling

>>105989347
>amd should give up on gpus so nvidia could stick to actual single digit generational improvements

>>105988979
yeah i read that ground and express have merged so now everyone is fucked

>asus bios update
>nvidia driver update
>probably a new windows build later today
getting ptsd from january
each update happened on the same day and some of them were causing disastrous problems that i couldn't figure out for a while

>>105989409
I really miss salaried service workers

>>105989418
the just don't update?
use shutup 10 to disable automatic windows updates and updating bios is pointless unless you have some active issue

>>105989425
usps is still salaried
ups and fedex are no better than amazon truck drivers

>>105989384
False

>>105989433
i need to update because i need my bugs fixed

why is AMD so sad?
they are the pioneers, the innovators, the developers
they create some new technology and then hibernate

>>105989441

>>105989438
amazon drivers at least seem to care if they are fired

>bro I hate radeon
>uses amd cpu
>which has radeon inside

>>105989461
>Need more vram than Nvidia to do the same thing in you're path
>>105989493
I'm an educated white heterosexual male, I was able to see through the ryzen snake oil and stayed on Raptor Lake.

>>105989493
it does? k

>>105989447
what bugs

>>105989493
does it even do anything if you use a dedicated gpu

>>105989441
Misleading image
37 fps with 23 1% low on 5070 ti is not playable either. Both these gpus are suited better to 1440p gaming and the performance is a tie at that resolution. This game is also terribly optimized and the only one I've seen tested where the 9070 XT runs out of vram.

>>105989571
Wrong image whoops

What's the single best PC for gaming that I could buy right now?

>>105989597
5090 + 9950x3d + fastest ram you can find

>>105989510
>>Need more vram than Nvidia to do the same thing in you're path
If nvidia handles vram so much better and uses so much less then why can't 12gb GeForce gpus run the same settings on games that 16GB radeon gpus can run just fine?

>>105989401
i have a 9070 XT in the box so i'll definitely be testing that myself once i've got the other parts
it's probably bullshit though lmao
will also be providing linux results because lol windows

>>105989571
>Misleading image
>Posts something 20x more misleading
>From the people famous for having no actual knowledge and being borderline grifters/shills.

>>105989597
A 5090 + 9950x/Intel Core Ultra gay nigger 9/14900ks+custom loop

how do i clean my PC without having to remove my GPU? I really hate having to remove the GPU.

>>105989510
i do graphics programming as a hobby
the game has a specific amount of resources that it has to load, more vram used just means that more resources are loaded into the vram, which is clearly the case for the 9060

>>105989597
You're not gonna like the answer because it's going to be $12,000. (RTX Pro 6000 Blackwell)

For practical reasons, it's 9800X3D + 5090 + CL30 6000 RAM.

>>105989651
is it because of THAT part?

At what price point/ difference would you consider getting a 9070 instead of a 9070XT? I see an open box 9070 for 530$ at my microcenter. how hard can you OC a 9070 and how close would it get to the stock performance of a 9070xt?

>>105989555
moving games to my second or third monitor causes stutter/blue screen if dlss/fg/vsync/gsync are all enabled. consistently reproducible since 576.26. rolling back to 576.02 fixes the issue, but i'd like them to fix it. sent them crash dumps and gpu traces and blah blah blah and i just get ignored by nvidia reps everywhere

>>105989651
pic related, take care not to spin your fans tho.

>105989639
Uh oh nvidia xister I thought our beloved GoyForce was supposed to rape radeon in all UE5 games what happened???

>>105989661
if you're a graphics programmer i'm sure you're aware that the driver is responsible for allocating, compressing (DCC) and defragmenting VRAM, and that there can be different approaches taken by different drivers

>>105989214
>>105989234
This is great info. I'll be adjusting my parts according to this and will post my results. Thanks.

>>105989687
also the weird thing is enabling "automatically hide the taskbar" "fixes" the problem which means something in the driver changed regarding dwm or explorer i think

>>105989686
If someone has already figured out how to flash the 9070 XT vBIOS to that $530 9070 model, it can nearly match the XT's performance.
You can follow Dave's instructions if it's an ASUS Prime 9070.

>>105989661
What are you even trying to say? Why don't you pick up learning English as a hobby?
>>105989692
Sorry but if the benchmark wasn't done by a white person from the United States or England it doesn't count.

>>105989562
its always on unless you disable it

>>105989527
every am5 ryzen has radeon inside

>>105989510
lol

>>105989733
What are the odds the silicon is legitimately not up to par and not just artificially closed off? if enough people catch on to this eventually i could see them actually damaging the silicon so it is no longer possible. Also sadly it's not asus but i'll watch this video and if this works ill just wait until i find an asus 9070

>>105989733
Yeah doing something similar worked out great for the retards who thought they had found a free Vega 56 and RX5700 performance hack.

>>105989697
then it's not a hardware issue like the guy i replied to insinuated, which was my point
>>105989765
see above

>>105989688
i feel like its pointless then isn't it? I already have something to clean it out but my main issue is the fans on the GPU i can't get to them without needing to take out the GPU which is what i am trying not to do.

Want to turn an older PC or laptop i have at home into a local NAS with massive storage, what hard disk would you recommend?

i was thinking something with 12 TB or more at a good price per gigabyte

speed is not required but reliability would be nice

>>105989873
There is no possible or financial reason to just "close it off", all manufacturers use defective or subpar chipsets as lower tier products, from display panels to processors of all kinds, and AMD has been doing it for years, I personally had a Phenom II X2 that I tried unlocking and did so, ran it quad core for years, hell, motherboard manufacturers had a setting for unlocking in the bios and used it as a selling point.

And also no reason to "damage the silicon", it's free marketing for the cards, and actually drives sales, would you buy a 4060 ti or try your luck with a 9070 that could hatch into a 9070 xt?

>>105989873
>>105989892
The vBIOS is just adding around 100W of extra power, which was deliberately hamstrung to prevent the non-XT from performing too closely to the 9070 XT.
The 9070 non-XT is power-starved out of the box, that's why it scores so highly in efficiency metrics.
You see a kid here crying about not being able to pump 600W into the 7900 XTX, this is nothing.

>>105989948
You use the fingers god gave you anon to stop the fan from spinning while you're blasting the fuck out of it and the heat sink, so as not to burn it out or generate electricity in it's coils.

>>105989962
a pair of easystores when they go on sale

>>105980084
>>105980531
I checked the pins with a magnifying glass and they were perfect, those dark spots before must have been from IPA. Cleaning, reseating, and repasting the CPU seems to have fixed the memtest failures, both sticks passed in the slot that was causing problems previously. I'm still a bit nervous about getting more BSODs, but thank you for the help mate it appears to have fixed it.

>>105989997
it has 3 fucking fans, its gonna wind up spinning the other 2 while im holding 1 fan.

>>105989920
i don't see anyone calling it a hardware issue, both AMD and NVIDIA use standard GDDR6/GDDR7 memory
you should also be aware of overallocation behavior, it's possible that AMD is allocating more memory without actually making use of it

>>105990032

>>105990069
my hand is not that big.

I know the usual advice is to only buy brand new high quality PSUs from trusted manufacturers.
Does that still apply for an igpu-only productivity build that will draw <100w total?

There are some dirt cheap matx cases available with nasty no-name PSUs, and I don't want to spend more than I need to.

>5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB
What would be the point in getting a 5080 Super?

>>105990096
It's for boomers who must have an -80 series GeForce card because that's the SKU they're used to buying.

>>105990093
It's down to your risk tolerance.
I'd at least identify the PSU OEM and get a basic idea of their business & reputation.

>>105990032
use cable ties

>>105986473 (OP)
What ram are you supposed to use with intel

>>105990201
For 13/14th gen -K CPUs, most can run 6800MT/s.
I would buy a 7200MT/s kit, but this isn't guaranteed to work if your CPU has a below-average memory controller.
For Core Ultra (Arrow Lake), the faster the better. Minimum 8000MT/s if you're buying a 265K.

Non-K DDR5, stick with the boring 6400MT/s in the OP.

usecase for intel cpus?

>>105990201
overclocked 3200C14 B-die you bought from ebay for $60

>>105990236
plex transcoding

>>105990093
No name PSUs aren't as bad as they're made out to be, as long as a psu can provide the required current and voltage it's all good, a brand name psu is an insurance policy, gives you reassurance the voltage is within tolerance, current will be stable, and that there are safety measures in place.

Go for it.

>>105990227
thanks. that memory for the core ultra is really expensive. would explain why those cpus are unpopular

>>105990355
You can get the cheaper 6000MT/s or 6400MT/s kit, but you might as well go full value and get a discounted 14600K instead.

>>105989974
Man I swear I was one of the few who lost that Phenom II unlock lottery. I got a x3 that was unstable with the 4th core unlocked (crashed within 30 minutes at stock speeds). All the forum posts at the time raved about unlocking theirs. At least I got a decent 3.4 overclock on mine.

>>105989962
Do you have an older PC or laptop laying around or do you mean buying one online? Either way, a laptop for a NAS sounds horrible.

It took way too long and too much effort to get one of these. Honestly at my job's wage I lost money not just buying a scalped one under $3k.

How will this effect the gpu market?

I'm definitely going to try liquid cooling on my next build. I'm getting annoyed as hell hearing the fans of my pc rev up each time I do anything remotely computational

>>105990563
That was the first PC I built with my own money, it's been over a decade and I still remember how much research I made and how excited I was once I unlocked it and the PC booted, can't replicate those feelings again man.

>>105990614
Get better fans bro, you'll just be trading your noisy fans for radiator fans and a pump, both of which aren't exactly silent.

Got a 9800x3D, while it idles in the low 40s usually, it jumps to 95 on a max load after a second. Is this normal for the CPU or did I fuck something up?

how the fuck do I choose a motherboard
Limiting myself to motherboards with 10GbE made the selection smaller but I decided to get an X550-T2 PCIe card instead so now there are tons of motherboards to choose from

How future proof is the ryzen 9600x? A buddy told me a weaker cpu could bottleneck the rx 9070 xt imma get

Been out of PC gaming for a long while and wondering whether it would be viable on a £400-500 budget to just give my older desktop a bit of a makeover, maybe a new GPU or Processor, or just save the money and start from scratch.

>>105990975
An x3d and a 9060xt (16gb)

3 pin or 4 pin fans? I heard PWMs have some oscillation noise, but I am also suspicious my 3 pin fan controller on my case keeps killing my fans.

>>105990963
Get an x3d, they're the amd processors that are actually good. Might as well just save the money and get something that's actually faster if not.
9600x is probably going to bottleneck it now though

>>105987248
>>105987429

AOC AGON AG275QXR
but its a bit pricey
AOC CQ27G4
is very cheap but its got slightly better specs, but is a VA monitor

Gigabyte GS27QA
is cheap in my country and is an IPS monitor.

Question: I'm rocking a 2080S still and in some games, like Marvel Rivals, I keep seeing light blooms that shouldn't be there. Is my GPU going out or is it something else?

>>105990975
dont just keep flash drives plugged into your pc indefinitely, its not a good idea.
Also yeah, just get a new pc entirely and keep the hdds. You can upgrade the gpu but it'll be cpu-bottlenecked badly. Your monitors are dogshit trash aswell. Even mid-tier pcs made today can do 1440p 144hz no problem.

>>105990960
Search for the specs on the chipsets avilable for your processor, find a decent chipsets that fulfills your needs, look for a motherboard with that chipset that gives you the best bang for your buck, pcie 5, multiple m2 slots, multiple x16 pcie slots, whatever floats your boat, read the reviews and posts about it carefully, then decide.
>>105990963
Very, don't think that's gonna happen.
>>105990975
AM4 is still alive and kicking, and AM5 is still in it's "infancy", you're better off holding out, buying a better gpu would vastly improve your gaming experience, a 16 gig 9060 XT would go along way from the 580, then wait to see what the future holds, you'll pay as much money to switch to a newer platform as you'd pay for the gpu, with a fraction of the return.

>>105991193
bad drivers, Njudea may be abandoning driver updates/support for the 2000 series by stealth, they've already abandoned 1000 series owners.

>>105990941
entirely normal. When they're designing and experimenting with cpus it only takes a few seconds for a cpu-load to melt a badly designed cpu core.

>>105990614
>>105990741
my arctic freezer 360 III is fairly quiet, the fans are quiet, also more modern cases have subtle audio-baffling tech inherent to the design that you just don't get in older cases. My current antec flux pro has like 5x more fans total than my previous rig, but is quieter significantly.

why does everyone release updates on tuesday

Are be quiet! cases a meme? What's stopping me from adding rubber to my HDD cases and foam to my mesh/glass panels?

>>105991453
if you can't hear your PC whirring, how do you know your fans are working?

>>105991488
based. before it was the hard drives, but now the fans are the only thing left

>>105991453
Was looking at getting the pure base 600 since it has 5.25" bays, not as many as I want though.

New case was supposed to arrive July 23, but the seller now updated the estimate to August 4 ;_;
"Just two more weeks bro"

At this point I'm maxing out my cpu and just getting a gpu as a placeholder until the prices stop being stupid

>>105988838
the absolute biggest problem is the firmware implementation and the eternal cucking of pixel refreshes which can and will interrupt your usage if the implementation is bad
then you have brands not willing to give you control over certain settings like disabling pixel shift and people like LG that have weird vignetting edge dimming that can't be disabled outside of their service menu that resets every time, but on the same panel on another model by Asus they actually show you the setting
Asus seems to be one of the only consistent manufacturer that actually gives you most settings
then you still have the problems of vrr flicker, color fringing due to the subpixel layout, possible eye strain, possible black screening due to bad hardware implementations/software/overheating panels/bad unit and more things I forgot to deal with
if you manage to beat/dodge all these then maybe it will be good for you, or you will find the brightness lackluster and not much different than a good ips in bright scenes
if you want better hdr you either have to buy a miniled monitor or high end 55"+ oled tv

>>105988848
>brand is irrelevant
brand is most important when it comes to oled, for example the AOC monitor that severely fucked up the hdr color gamut even more, they also have bad pixel refresh implementation

>they're all samsung panels.
you forgot lg

>>105988867
>get whatever is on sale
bad idea

>>105991322
Tuesday was chosen as the optimal day of the week to distribute software patches. This is done to maximize the amount of time available before the upcoming weekend to correct any issues that might arise with those patches, while leaving Monday free to address other unexpected issues that might have arisen over the preceding weekend.

>>105991660
>until the prices stop being stupid
they won't, waitfagging meta is dead and buried

>>105991660
>prices stop being stupid
Hate to break it to you anon but things aren't changing in the foreseeable future, if anything it'll maybe get a bit worse.
>>105991567
A nigger stole it because he thought it was a whole computer

>>105988838
Just get a good VA or IPS, imo VA remains king. Fags sperging out about >MuH BlAcKs
are just BBC enthusiasts and need to go back to gooning on their groomercords sissyporn tab.

Since Nvidia sold out to Israel, does that mean AMD gpu going forward is the most reliable?

>>105991891

Has RX 9070 XT problems with stable diffusion?

>>105991941
>turn head left: jews
>turn head right: indians

What a bleary fucking world we live in.

Why the fuck does Discord, whether the app or even in just a chrome browser tab, fucking crashes whenever I am playing a game or have Unity3d open? It'll stay open for a bit but then at some point just crash. Sometimes it crashed my entire display and my display goes black for a few seconds before coming back on with everything fucked up. I sometimes even have to close every browser and notepad++ and reopen it cause the windows are in a frozen state.

>>105991973
not on my machine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqWOZDIzVVQ

>>105992022
it's a piece of shit and retards are in charge of it

Is the 9600x a meme

>>105991891
>>105991941
these are dark times. But never forget, with jews, you lose. Njudea and Intel-aviv are never to be trusted. Although i welcome Intels entry into the gpu market we needed that competition.

>>105992022
for all its faults, i have never had any trouble with groomercord working ever. Whats your rig specs, OS and in particular, your gpu?

>>105992205
why bother? 9600x3d that should've launched ages ago is coming soon anyway

>>105992193
>check their linkedin page
>bunch of blacks, chinks, and especially women in their engineering department

That has to be money laundering operation

>>105992213
>for all its faults, i have never had any trouble with groomercord working ever. Whats your rig specs, OS and in particular, your gpu?

amd ryzen 5
32 gb ram
nvidia rtx 4070 ti super

This has been a thing for at least a year or two. I blame it on Discord because most of my stuff remained constant, so something on Discord side has caused it to start crashing my gpu.

>>105986673
Noice. Hope the price will go down around black friday, or bios updates will allow you to mix and match RAM kits like DDR4, but who am I kidding?

>>105992205
All amd processors that aren't x3d are memes. Just buy Intel, your favorite goytubers opinion is worthless.

>>105991322
>everyone rushes to push final dev changes on friday
>check if tests pass, fix shit on monday
>ship tuesday and have 3+ days for potential hotfixes

>>105992240
>>105992213
To add, Im using three monitors

>>105991322
i wish amd would drop their driver update today

>>105992205
compared to 7600x?
sort of
7600x is basically just as good, 9600x is still probably worth it if you find it at the same price as 9600x or so

>>105992221
It doesn't make any money
they're just looking for a reddit tier IPO but they're gonna have to shove 200 trillion ads in to make that work

>>105992270
ok but nvidia doesn't test any of their drivers so why don't they post it on monday

>>105992294
>at the same price as 7600x

>>105992299
I dont know how you make money from a chat program. thats why even skype was closed down and made into Teams for businesses

>>105989141
I figure you're a Linux user, if you're responding to a post mentioning mesa

Check it out

>>105992299
>>105992312
It probably gets a shitton in glowbuxx since you get all the lolcow terrorist wannabes (the funding justification population) in one heavily monitored place. Same reason why 4chan is still around in the present.

>>105992361
4chan is around cause of we're one of the last bastions of free speech on the net (not perfect but still better than reddit)

anons, I have a 4790, it is better to go for am5 instead of am4 right?
alternatively, if I ever decide to get a 7600x, will my 970 be too shit?
I play mainly cs2 and it's heavily cpu bound
what about the brands, for ram for example, does it matter, are all the 6000cl30 all equal?

>>105992475
What is your budget
but yes AM5 is the leap to make

>>105991227
Fair. And thank you. Follow up: I can't seem to get any of my DP ports to work, but they seem to work if I plug in a DP to HDMI adapter.

Any ideas why this might be the case or what I'm missing?

Shit. I'm getting increasingly happy with my ASUS ROG Strix XG27ACS now but I already ordered the KTC M27T6 to try miniled.

Wouldn't be so bad but I spent a £100 voucher on it that I won't get back on a return.
Is it a dumb idea to just keep both and use the other whenever I just fancy a little change?

>>105992475

If I can afford both 5070 Ti and 9070 XT I should get Nvidia right? They fixed the drivers and shit 1% lows right?

>>105992566
depends on the price of the gpus. whichever is cheaper is the one to buy. if they're same price it depends on do you use windows or linux.

>>105992516
>£
If you have a license to resell parts locally, you could do that??

>>105992566
You already know the answer anon. AMD is for brown or homosexual individuals.

>>105992516
It's dumb to keep both.

>>105992562
all true
buildzoid's AM5 content is awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcn_nvWGj7U

>>105992494
>What is your budget
extremely tight budget, but I'd rather buy stuff once now, than again later
I will basically recycle my old case, psu, sata SSD, and will just buy a mobo, ram and cpu for starters, then a gpu and a psu later

>>105992566
You don't have much reason to go GeForce If you don't need CUDA and don't care about DLSS

>>105992637
Even if you don't like upscaling DLAA is amazing. And even HUB agreed on their DLSS4 video that it's generally better than native even at 1080p.

>>105992688
yeah but amd has dlaa too for fsr4 and it can be applied to any game with optiscaler.

Just found my old /g/ folder. Is this still relevant today?

>>105992750
>Mantle

>Used Gigabyte RTX 4070 Ti Super 16Gb (with tests)
>New ASUS Prime RTX 5070 12Gb

The price is same. What should I get? 4070 Ti Super has a bit more memory and performance, as well as PhysX & CUDA 32bit support for older games. The seller is selling his gamer setup and still has year of warranty for it. So probably not a miner card.

5070 has less ram, but is more recent and maybe that MFG stuff is going somewhere when it matures.

NVIDIA only begrudgingly rolled out that driver-level FG technology onto 4000 series, after much stink. It seems like only latest series would benefit from newer technology like perhaps that neural texture compression stuff that reduces VRAM use by 90%.

5070 is also a bit less power-hungry.

>>105992750
AMD cpu's were garbage until Ryzen came out. During the 2010's, we had to begrudgingly pay the Intel premium for a decent 4-core processor.

>>105992750
nvidia/amd distinction of adaptive sync is pretty much gone
everything else is tied to the hardware available at the time

>>105992791
Yeah it is funny how situation reversed and now it is Intel that has to dump their 250 Watt CPUs dirt cheap to survive.

Like look at this shit. The price difference between something like i7-14600K and Ryzen 7 7800X3D is almost two times.

>>105992750
SSDs are no longer a shit
people still try to argue RAM speed doesn't matter, but it does (just get 6000C30)
both NVIDIA and AMD support freesync now
both NVIDIA and AMD support mantle (vulkan) now
you have to pay at least $1000 to sit on your ass browsing 4chan

>>105992750
>SSD "are a shit" for desktops
>RAM speed does not matter with a dedicated GPU for games
https://techreport.com/review/inside-the-second-a-new-look-at-game-benchmarking/
That image was sharing bad advice back in 2014, kek.
People were just less autistic about 1% and game stutters.

>>105992861
back in 2014 you got like 120GB for the same price as a 1TB HDD
and you were running windows 7 or 8 which works fine on a HDD
at least that's how i remember it

>>105992782
>MFG
meme
>neural texture compression stuff that reduces VRAM use by 90%.
meme that will maybe be in 3 nvidia sponsored Unreal Engine 6 games five years from now.

get 4070 ti super. don't buy a shit card that has insufficient vram for 1440p gaming as of now just for the promise of future meme gimmick technologies

>>105992762
the modern day equivalent is Vulkan and yes Nvidia still cant run DXVK 32bit on fucking RTX 5000

>>105992898
You used that 120GB SSD for the OS, drives like Intel 500s were available in 2012.

>>105992782
I think the neural texture stuff is supposed to work well on ada too. If not, well I guess you sell it and buy a 6070 in 2 years. MFG is nice but even on 240hz it's overkill.
I would go for the 4070ti super

>>105992240
>>105992280
its probably Njudea. They've been having driver issues ever since the 5000 series came out. And frankly multi-monitor setups have always triggered the shit out of both amd-Njudea gpus. Its why i stick with 1 ultrawide.

>>105992750
>>105992861
>>105992859
the general wisdom at the time was to get a small cheap ssd for your boot drive and a large hdd for the rest of your things

>>105992924
Im considering going to an ultrawide cause it feels like three monitors is killing my gpu (use to have 2080 now Im at a 4070). I dont know whats going on with windows graphics and/ or gpu drivers but it seems multiple monitors at large resolutions isnt stable these days in behaving.

>>105992926
>small cheap ssd for your boot drive and a large hdd for the rest of your things
I still do this

>>105992932
well, discord is fine for me, but a bunch of games, mostly Unity ones, are fucky with Winblows 11 aswell. Screen flickering and micro-alt-tabbing out the arse whenever i use my main mouse click unless the game has a dedicated fullscreen mode. UE games never have this problem tho.

>>105992390
Yes but how does that translate into money?

>>105992959
happens when Im playing games like Elden Ring or a mmo. All on my main screen, borderless windowed.

>>105992972
Gold passes

>>105992782
>>105992918
Neural texture compression is taxing on the tensor cores, and it worsens DLSS performance.
It's just a seed planted for the future.

>>105992915
that would still have doubled the storage price for a budget build
840 EVO was the first one i had but i don't remember what i paid for it
pretty amazing that you can get 4TB for $250 today

nvidia gpus powered this ai result

>>105992993
Does that mean the best time to buy an SSD is always right now? The prices seem to keep dropping.

>>105993006
at this point i would say so because they're getting faster in theory but not in practice

>>105990578
>a laptop for a NAS sounds horrible.
Why?

>>105993006
The all-time low prices of 2023 won't be coming back.
SSD manufacturers and component suppliers had a historical oversupply issue that needed to be corrected.
They made too many SSDs during the COVID-19 work-from-home hardware demand surge.

>>105992972
dedicated fullscreen is the only thing stopping it. I regret downgrading to winblows 11.

>>105993039
Doesn't seem like the kind of device that should be left on 24/7 especially if you're talking about older ones. Not to mention the heat from them cooking the battery unless you remove it and leave it on cable. An old PC would be better as they are much easier to open up and fix if something goes wrong.

>>105993138
Im on W10 so you wont get much help there

maybe I should not take the tv pill after all
one ota update and you are cucked

>>105993214
What kind of games do you even play? You've been display hunting for like 8 months?

>>105993063
wat? Most of my SSD purchases recently have been at or below 2023 prices.

>>105989510

>>105992034
I was pleasantly surprised to see these support Vulkan 1.3 in Linux. A GTX 970 I was counting on using in a recent build didn't fit so I threw in a HD 7950 I had laying around.

>>105993233
>What kind of games do you even play?
everything not that much fps in a long time though, play desktop more than anything
I feel like I take like close to a decade breaks between gaming and come back and see what has changed since last time
>You've been display hunting for like 8 months?
longer than that, but it's mostly just shit posting, eventually I will build a real pc though

>>105993242
Some of the higher-end Gen 4 2TB NVMe drives were sold for $80~90 in 2023.

>>105986986
Enjoy your stutters

Next:
>>105993323
>>105993323
>>105993323

>>105993139
How much heta are you going to generate from serving files headless?
>cooking the battery
Why wouldn't you have your server hooked up to a permanent source of energy?

>>105990614
You do know that liquid coolers have 4 fans don't you? That's more fans than normal coolers. They are not silent.

>>105992901
>meme
For now, DLSS/optiscaler were too. Then again Nvidia buried physX which had huge marketing back in the day.
>>105992918
>>105992984
But I see, thanks for advice. I was also leaning towards 4070 Ti Super 16gb myself: 16gb is just more solid card. I'll get it if no one does before my paycheck.

>Intel Core i5-14600K $230
>AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D $600

Platform on Intel 14600K re-uses my DDR4 3600 CL16, and costs ~$1900 in total.
Platform on AMD 7800X3D doesn't re-use anything, and costs ~$2350 in total.

I was going to go with Intel since that was my choice since 2013, but nearly 200W is kinda warm. Needs water cooling or giant-ass 1.5Kg cooler. Not that I am against it, I did sit in a tiny room with my Q6600@4.0Ghz 1.49 V before so it is not unfamiliar, but still. Kinda curious about water cooling actually since I never had it before and it is much more affordable nowadays.

Do not care much about platform future-proofing: I don't beleive either would be worth re-using after 5-8 years.

>>105994196
I didn't read your post and don't care about whatever you're talking about but the i5s on raptor lake are where ddr4 vs ddr5 starts to matter a decent bit even in video gaymes.
Also no one tells you (and I don't know why) this but a 13600k/14600k will throttle at stock even with the best air coolers. Even with a 360mm shitty aio it'll hit like 90c+. After tuning you're giving up upwards to like 20%+ performance if you're on air/tiny radiator. In overclocking even with the safe settings and voltage cuckage after bios updates you're going to be thermally limited before anything else without a delid and a custom loop with an insane amount of radiator(radiators)
I love raptor lake and the insane cooling requirements to actually hit the limit I just think it's neat :) :) :)
i5 secretly the best gaming cpu when considering it's $150-$200 for like over a year now btw. Enough to drive even a 5090 at 1080p in these ue5 games like Silent Hill and Oblivion btw :)
My i5 did 6.2ghz all core 100% stable in ycrucncher before nigger kike intel cucked me with a 1.55v hard limit :). I know (from forums) people who have run them at over 1.7v since release no issue :)

>>105994196
7800x3d is the comfier CPU
It has 8 real cores and there is no need to deal with e-cores and it uses only 40W in most games

>>105994196
don't forget the 14700K
>>105994408
>the i5s on raptor lake are where ddr4 vs ddr5 starts to matter a decent bit even in video gaymes
HUB is full of shit and DDR4-3600 is better than any DDR5 you can run stable on a cheap B660/B760 board
>My i5 did 6.2ghz all core 100% stable in ycrucncher before nigger kike intel cucked me with a 1.55v hard limit
lmao

hey guys I have pcie 2.0 x1 slot on my motherboard and want to get a NVMe ssd apdater. I will upgrade pc in a few years so want to get nvme ssd now and use it while I wait. Is it even worth getting nvme or wait until I build my pc in a few years? my pc is really old

>>105994856
Sure why not
It will be limited to about 400mb/s but you'll still enjoy the lower latency of nvme over a sata ssd