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Old >>105979457

good evening saars i have do the needful and refactor please for review tnx

its over

>managment told the entire dev team they are not working enough
>have to submit plans to management until friday on how to be more productive
>gonna get replaced by indians anyways

>Dell

Gentlemen, I am officially resorting to panhandling. I can play the violin, so, I assume it's more so busking than panhandling, but, who's counting?
>turned down from every company I've applied to (8 months unemployed and officially out of money)
>turned down from every factory I've applied to
>turned down from every fast food place I've applied to
>turned down from every retail place I've applied to

450 applications and nothing.
I'm not going to look for a job anymore.

>>105991875
can you actually play like well though

>>105991875
How is this even possible?

>>105991875
Sell your violin, retard. If you were a real /cybsec/ chad you would do anything you need to to learn everything you can to break into the Industry to get that big TC

>>105991875
have you tried indianizing your name? something like john smith -> pajohn smitharavaj. might work, I guess

>>105991879
I don't know - people have paid me before.

>>105991884
Ontario.

>>105991895
>ontario
JEET

>>105991893
I've tried Indianizing it, Chinizing it, Mexizing it, Anglocizing it, Italicizing it, and every other fucking form of -izing.
I've offered to work for basically $5 an hour.
I was a senior dev, and I've overseen two different SaaS projects. I have all my code available.

>>105991887
Yeah, no.
>literally the gambler's fallacy
>J...JUST ONE MORE PROJECT ON GITHUB, I'LL DEFINITELY GET HIRED
We're in Mad Max now, motherfucka.

>I was a senior dev, and I've overseen two different SaaS projects.
vibecoder detected

>>105991418 (OP)
Yo anyone here in quant dev?
I have developed an uncanny obsession with the field, it is calling to me.
And I am studying hard to make the switch.
Any anons know if it's worth?

>>105991930
You're right, anon - I was vibecoding back in 2015, you caught me.

>>105991953
is there really a moral difference between AI vibe coding and just copy-pasting off of heckoverflow

>>105991921
>>J...JUST ONE MORE PROJECT ON GITHUB, I'LL DEFINITELY GET HIRED
Literally yes retard. Sorry you're too stupid to have real accomplishments.

I learnt to code rather quickly for a job, I'm 2 years in and surpassing expectations
>promoted twice as fast as everyone else in my team
>do significantly more work than seniors on my team
>own more services than said seniors
Nothing wrong with them, I just work faster. I'm just really disappointed I didn't pick CS, I'm actually very good at it. I could do well with this stack but I think the industry will evolve over time and I am probably way below the kind of engineer I could have been.
So to fill the gaps in my knowledge, I'm going through an adhoc CS degree in my personal time, picking out courses from different reputable schools that made them public. I know this is rare, but how rare is it?
I don't give a shit if recruiters or managers care, I'm just curious if people actually completed a 4 year DIY degree regularly enough for it to be a thing. The best I can find is a few people that did MIT's OpenCourseWare but apparently most don't even get through a semester's worth of content.

>>105992049
>is "tech" made up of people who have random mish mashes of certs and youtube learning?
no anon. you're the first person to even think of this

>>105992021
>S-SELL YOUR VIOLIN FOR $100
>THAT WILL BUY YOU A WHOLE 3 DAYS OF TIME
>YOU'LL DEFINITELY HAVE A JOB BY THEN, AND NOT BE JOBLESS AND NOW, VIOLIN-LESS
>A-ANOTHER PROJECT ON TOP OF YOUR EXISTING 6 PROJECTS ON GITHUB WILL BE THE THING THAT WILL GET YOU HIRED!!!
Completely delusional.

I think we got a schizo or demoralization bot talking to himself here. wish the IP counter was still available.

>>105992130
where is your game nodev

>>105992021
What is a "real accomplishment"?

>>105992139
>games
>dev
games are for manchildren.
you don't belong here. go back to >>>/v/

>>105992222
Fucking your aun. Nice quads, BTW.

>>105991944
I'm not a quant but work as a devops engineer at such a firm. Unless you are really good at math you have no chance at becoming a quant

>>105992222
Not a certificate or a degree. A real application with real users. Google App Engine and Amazon Web Services have free service tiers, and it costs all of $25 to register as an Android developer and publish an app on the Android Market.

>>105992338
>Unless you are really good at math
NTA but that's very vague. Math is a massive field and people can be good at one part and bad at another.
t. CS/Math double major

>>105992387
It is actually a bit vague, at least where I work. Some implement the mathematical models which is where you need to be good at math for obviously. But there are some that "just" create dashboards for the quants which might be more entry level I guess.

>>105991944
>>105992338
whats 9 + 10

>>105992507
the guys making the dashboards arent the ones making 7 figures + bonuses

>>105992366
>>105992021
>mention projects and products created at work
>DURR YOU NEED TO MAKE A APP WITH USERS HURRRRR
FleshGPT strikes again.

>>105992080
It's not common at all at my company at least for software engineers, maybe it's different for IT since I think it's normal to just spam certifications. I'm the only self taught dev. There's one other guy from a bootcamp but he's the weakest link. My manager did admit that they had a really bad experience with people without degrees in CS over the years, especially over covid, so they normally straight up reject the CVs. My portfolio was to a decent enough standard to warrant an interview and I made it through.
Well the introductory course I did was a snoozefest, the only new thing I gained was a refresh on python which I hate personally. But this current course on low level stuff is very nice so far. I'll see if I fall in love with C, C++ or Assembly.

>>105992635
I am well aware how much they make. I try not to think about it...

>>105992652
yes anon. you're the first person to even think of this

>>105991418 (OP)
POOTIS

i saw a thing on quants the other day and i am left with one question

what is the difference between a "quant" and just a normal wall street fat cat using a computer to look at line as it go up or down

>>105992766
AI

>>105992766
They use statistics stuff to find signals. They don't care about the line, except as one of their statistical inputs (among many many many inputs). The theory is with enough statistics you can find patterns and then signals and then trade on those signals and hopefully at least 51% of your trades make money.
>>105992819
Quants existed before modern definitions of AI

>>105992895
so it's the same as normal investors using a mixture of voodoo, breakthrough logic like "if fuel is expensive truck transport company will have worse quarter and lower stonk", and overt market manipulation to "find"(create) good investments.

>ITlet
>helldesk team has completely fucked the win11 migration timeline by sitting on their asses and doing nothing
>quietly enable upgrades for any eligible machines
>let them deal with the tickets
they should be thanking me for making their quarterly metrics go up so they don't all get cut in the impending q3 bloodletting

>>105992130
its only a matter of time before a ban evading schizo floods the thread every single day for years on end. theres multiple threads on /sp/ with people that do this. its the craziest shit youll ever see. literally every single day for years.

>>105992911
It's really not
If you want to learn more, go listen to this Money Stuff podcast episode where they interviewed Gappy Paleologo, a quant (3rd episode down)
https://link.chtbl.com/Money-Stuff-The-Podcast

>>105993053
where is your game?

>>105993078
again, what is the material difference between routine investment that isn't just degenerate gambling on stonks/memecoins (i.e. most investing before the last year or two) instead looking at general market trends, signifiers of business and economic health, or outright market manipulation more sophisticated than tik tok pump n dump

and being a "quant"

>>105993111
Your portfolio is so fucking boring. Read a book, NIGGER.

>>105993111
>general market trends
Quants will often try to use signals that don't correlate with the rest of the market to predict the movements of individual investments. They don't care about the rest of the market. They make lots of small short term bets based only on the signals they find. They may not even know what companies they're investing in
>signifiers of business and economic health
Again, those are possible signals, but they're doing more than parsing quarterly earnings reports
>or outright market manipulation
They generally try to make lots of small short term bets. I think you're confusing quants and other types of funds, like hedge funds. Quants try to invest purely mathematically based on the signals their systems find in the data. Their algorithms could buy or sell tens of thousands of different stocks in a single day, or more. It's the old school hedge funds that employ analysts to go over company financials and news and other stuff to try and pick the right investments. The people who do quant research may not even have financial backgrounds, just pure math.

>>105993053
we hade a schizo a while ago. some guy kept talking about "shit".

>>105993217
>it's not about observing the world and making smart investments based on the real world implications of small shifts in data. It's about using a computer to observe the world and automatically making smart investments based on the real world implications of small shifts in data.
ok so it's normal investing except you use a computer to do at least some of it

>>105993217
>the greens are gaining traction in germany again*... mayhaps now is a good time to invest in wind power companies with a dank put for election day???
>im a mathematical GENIUS


*i know they're not but bear with the analogy here

>techbros got tired of "trains, but bad" so now they're just doing "finance, but we forgot to finish the sentenc"

>>105992338
Thanks, yeah I know about the Math.
I'm trying to study it right now
Do you also need really good CS skills like algorithms, optimization etc.?
Do you need financial theory too?
Or is just Math enough?
Do you need a degree in finance?
Or will a github be convincing enough to hire you?
I think degrees are useless desu, the amount you need to study is 10x of what you learn in a degree, but wondering if a MsC in finance is worth anyway

>>105993237
All investment funds use computers, and most try to "observing the world and making smart investments based on the real world implications of small shifts in data". There's three big differences:
1. Scale - In traditional investing, an analyst has to look at a company and decide to invest or not, or evaluate a collection of companies based on some thesis and pick which ones to go with. Quants try to build mathematical models to automate that process, so the system can do that faster for more companies.
2. Human involvement - Like I said above, traditional investment is still based on analysts making decisions: which companies, long or short, how big of a bet... Quant funds remove the human from that point in the loop. Once the quant researcher builds their mathematical model, it goes into the system and the system makes the rest of the decisions.
>>105993248
3. It's purely numbers - You're trying to tell a story. That's something an analyst would do. Quant funds don't need stories. They don't care. If the model says that mathematically it's more likely that some stocks will go in some direction for some amount of time, then the system will invest accordingly. Why are those stocks going in that direction? Who knows? Who cares? As long as they make money.

>>105993282
They do this with every field.
They come up with the exact way things are already being done, slap an "exciting"(childish) name on it, and parade it as the future when it's already 50 years out of date.

"tech" is just a cabal of wheel re-inventors.

>>105993319
thanks chatgpt but can we get a few more Em-Dashes in there?

>>105993346
Sorry, my keyboard only has an "en" dash button: -
Maybe I should start throwing in em dashes to throw people off though, in Windows it's alt+0151 —

I will confess that I'm a jeet by descent and I can't stop laughing at jeet fatigue stories. Probably because I don't have to deal w >them at my current gig. But my last job @ a large fintech with a bunch of offshore jeet teams gave me some close encounters. This manifested as obscenely long AWS Bedrock approval delays because the DevOps team was fully offshore jeets (yikes) and also just bizarre cryptic message from IT support.

Thankfully I didn't have to work with any jeets on my team. I cannot image actually working on PR's and having to work on critical architectural decisions / critical infra with them

>>105993384
speaking of jeets: do you know why big corpos are hiring them?

>>105993493
nta but they're cheap

in the US they work for peanuts and companies can get away with paying them nothing for what are normally high-wage jobs because labor/market protections are minimal, simple as

in canada they make as much as anyone else (which emboldens them more!!) but the gubberment subsidizes their wages for reasons unclear to even the furthest left globohomo and a less recent history of high caste wealthy jeets moving here to fuck with the housing market means the wealthy brahmin can basically buy out businesses and import their former slaves

in the UK it's the UK and jeets have been around since colonial times and are "naturalized" but are also their version of the Nigger so instead of scamming they just form conventional street gangs

>>105993493
I think its because of nepotism. Jeets are usually nepotistic.
Some are qualified and have nice large veiny uncut penises and write beautiful well architected code that is enterprise-grade like me, but most are not.

>>105993545
>in the US they work for peanuts
are you sure? isn't there a law or some shit that forbids companies from paying below market average or something?

>>105993557
are jeet managers so fucking stupid that they would rather destroy companies from within than actually do a good job?? are indians really this miserable?

Today at the cafeteria I had a big ol' burrito for lunch, and it was pretty good!
I even did some work today too

>>105993735
>are jeet managers so fucking stupid that they would rather destroy companies from within than actually do a good job?

Okay so this is what I was going to say in the last thread - Indians are too stupid to understand that: a) they are even engaging in nepotism and b) understand that they are destroying companies

That would be like expecting black people to understand that they create food deserts. It requires understanding of second order effects, latent impacts of lying and shitty, cheap hires, and an understanding of nuanced corporate culture rot and civic sense rot.

My dad is a PhD from an IIT, one of the esteemed jeet universities. He got this PhD in the 80s. My dad is ostensibly a smart "elite" Indian. But he literally does not understand correlation vs causation and just cannot think in terms of systems. Anytime my dad has something smart to say (when it comes to software advice) is because it's due to experience, not lateral thinking ability.

In other words, the smartest, elite "Brahmin" (unironically lel) Indian tech nerds from IIT schools like my dad are total rote memorization strivejeets.

>>105993820
>That would be like expecting black people to understand that they create food deserts.
explain

>>105993858
Okay. Fine. You will hear a lot of libruls talking about how black people live in food deserts and that's why black people are so fat. And that black people in inner cities do not have access to fresh groceries because DA HUUUUUHHHHHWHITE MAN blocks off access to fresh groceries.

Funnily enough, if you take Jew York for example, the Hispanic, Indian, and other non-black immigrant neighborhoods have a ton of fresh produce groceries. Why???

Because black people steal a lot and commit a lot of violent crime that makes it prohibitive to run low-margin fresh produce groceries in their businesses.

Okay thank you for listening to kmy Chud Talk Saaaar

>>105993889
>to run low-margin fresh produce groceries in their businesses.
I mean in their neighborhoods

How long do you think I can stay on gubment payroll without tanking my career, I know people have (correct) opinions about public sector work and the types of employees it produces, but the low stress environment is too intoxicating with two small and insane children taking up 80 percent of my mental energy

>>105993735
>below market average
no. the only law that applies is minimum wage.
jeets accept low wages because they are from a third world country and what would be a low wage for you or me is fine for them since they're cool with living 70 to a room and eating literal garbage (often provided by some higher caste landlord operating what is basically a flophouse for their imported slaves)
>rather destroy companies
not only do they not think they're doing that (nor believe when told) but lmao even white people wanting to "do a good job" nigga if the job was worth doing on its own they wouldnt have to pay you for it

>>105993903
>no. the only law that applies is minimum wage.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/62g-h1b-required-wage

>>105993903
That's not true. A company needs to apply for h1b workers and through that process a "fair" wage is literally determined by the government. Though I'm sure there's some room for underhanded fuckery the intention is that any H1B worker should make the same salary as a domestic counterpart.

The reason H1B workers are attractive to employers is they are basically indentured servants that would get fucking deported if they got fired and couldn't find a new sponsor quickly

Saars...

>>105993889
>You will hear a lot of libruls talking about how black people live in food deserts and that's why black people are so fat.
I have not heard this. The complaint I remember when I was a young leftist (and contineu to hear from middle-aged leftists) is that "food deserts" create high upfront food costs since packaged slop is naturally expensive and non-grocery stores tend to overcharge for food due to low volume and/or purchasing from another store for re-sale -- the phenomenon that makes a bag of doritos 3.99 at walmart but 7.99 at the bodega. it also creates worse health outcomes because high salt high fat slop. and the usually stated culprit is not DA WYPIPO "blocking access" but that the only places to buy healthy food in the US are inordinately expensive and have a very natural good reason not to set up shop in niggerburgs (niggas have no money to buy 8.99 individual leaves of kale)

but I'll humor you
> black people steal a lot and commit a lot of violent crime that makes it prohibitive to run low-margin fresh produce groceries
where tf are niggers shoplifting pineapples lmao
>if you take Jew York for example, the Hispanic, Indian, and other non-black immigrant neighborhoods have a ton of fresh produce groceries.
having been to jew york I can tell you that this ain't true, trying to score "i'm too jewish for the minibar" hotel snacks was a pain no matter the neighborhood. honestly that was a weird thing i noticed about new york. there's no fucking normal stores anywhere, even in affluent areas you can't get a bottle of asperin and some gatorade, you have to get looked over by some bespectaled hipster in an "apothecary"

>>105993935
At what point does the cartoonishly detrimental and under regulated H1B program become enough in the public crosshairs to be changed. Americans don't want Juan trimming their hedges but apparently Rahul being paid six figures to ruin their online infrastructure for their banking, shopping, etc is completely ok and actually based

>>105993923
>>105993934
the secret THEY dont want you to know is that not every jeet is an H1B. many show up on some other visa and then take le tech job after doing a few years in food service like anyone else. but as much as you can take the jeet out of india, you can't take india out of the jeet and they continue their flophouse slave lifestyle even after overstaying their visa or even legally "naturalizing". big corpos getting H1Bs is a long con game to depress wages in general. once they get fired from microshart, have kids, sponsor their siblings, etc. those non-H1B jeets will work for peanuts.

>>105993966
>is completely ok and actually based
is anyone really saying this? it feels like on both sides of the political spectrum people are mad about it. politicians and megacorps just do it anyway because they can't really be deposed, and even if they are some other slimeballs will take their place to do the same shit

>>105993960
I'm not reading any of this. I hope you get raped by a pack of feral homeless niggers.

>>105993966
Literally never. Normgroid cattle and politicians dont know what the fuck technology is and would be constantly befuddled and confused if it were all perfect. The R&D divisions of mag 7 have hoarded the top 0.01% of global talent and pay them bigly (until the AI bubble then the everything bubble pop at least) then hire a bajillion do-nothing paheets to jerk off investors about their booming hiring numbers.
By the time a normgroid goes "hey wait the internet and my phone and everything else kinda sucks now" we'll already be a decade into south africa-tier infra collapse. Unless zoomers and alphies have a slew of Great Men among them we don't know about yet who can drag us out of it, we have long passed the inflection point of humanity's (or at least the west's) technological progress.

>>105994000
>my phone sucks, therefore society will collapse any second

>>105993966
>but apparently Rahul being paid six figures to ruin their online infrastructure for their banking, shopping, etc is completely ok and actually based
Because the optics is that the Indians are LEGAL immigrants who are EDUCATED.

Anyone who complains about this seems like an uneducated TERKERJERBS type. But I think the best way to combat this is to talk about the nepotism and ethnic preferentialism that Indians engage in.

That resonates more than "Rahul's shitty PR merged to prod and broke everything" to normoids

>>105993935
https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/20/h_1b_job_lottery/
I'm not certain your picture is correct

>>105994039
>Outlook still loads in under 3 minutes, stop whining zoomer
>another 10 petabyte data leak from [government entity/multi-trillion dollar entity full of browns]? Pfft, they'll still never guess my password, it's the license plate number from my old lincoln continental i sold to dave down the street!

>>105994041
> Indians are LEGAL immigrants who are EDUCATED

I mean, that is true. It's the (((employers))) and (((regulators))) who are being unethical. Most Indians I've worked with do their job competently. The government should not allow American workers to be displaced like this

>>105994062
name one time this has happened

jeets are too stupid; they would rather steal the list of phone numbers to scam elderly canadians by insisting they're the CRA than just straight up steal from the CRA where they actually work during daylight hours

>>105993493
>>105993935
>>105994048
>>105993557
>Hira, co-author of Outsourcing America, has testified numerous times before Congressional committees about US immigration policy. He has argued that the H-1B program amounts to what has been described as an "outsourcing visa" because it allows tech service companies like Cognizant, Tata, Wipro, Infosys, IBM, Accenture, and Deloitte to ship US jobs overseas.

> "When they go into a client – often a Fortune 500 company – they'll say, 'We will take over your IT department and we'll offer you what's called a global delivery model. We'll try to offshore as many of the tasks as possible because we'll pay my cousins' – literally, my cousins in India – 'eight bucks an hour or five bucks an hour,' which is a good wage."

>"They have basically a 70-30 kind of model where 70 percent of the work gets done offshore, and 30 percent of the work – because of the nature of the tasks are geographically sticky – has to stay on-site. But instead of hiring and using Americans, they'll bring in H-1B workers who can be paid less, are indentured to the employer, but also act as liaisons to the 70 percent of workers who are offshore."
ok, so THAT is how this scam works... I'm not american, and the article is making me feel really bad for american workers.

>>105994421
(samefag)

>>105994041
>Indians are LEGAL immigrants who are EDUCATED
something like this is happening in my country. tons of immigrants are being hired because "they have degrees", even though "having a degree" in my country means "having gone through internship" while in their countries of origin doesn't mean shit. apparently even doctors need 0 experience to get a job there. might not be a problem in their country because hiring someone straight out of college is assumed to have no experience, but here, it doesn't work that way... and retards assume these immigrants know anything about their jobs lmao.
and then there is the issue of general cultural differences.

>>105994421
>ok, so THAT is how this scam works... I'm not american,
A lot of Americans outside tech don't fully understand what happened. Pretty much none did before Elon's Twitter meltdown last winter.

>>105994451
>apparently even doctors need 0 experience
In the US we actually have administrative cap on the number of doctors who can graduate.

Then they complain we don't have enough and import Indians. If I were a medical student or young doctor I'd probably already be killing politicians over that.

>>105994461
you have the means to influence the general public. you just need a leader, or at least someone who can represent you.
you have a guy right there in the article, Ron Hira. how about you unite with other tech workers, hire him to represent you (as an association) to fuck anti-patriot politicians in the ass? is that too much communism for you?
move your fat ass and put your money where you mouth is, you fucking faggots. you make a shitload of money yet you cry all day long in specialized internet forums... what for?

>>105994495
>is that too much communism for you?
yes
we need Strong Men

>>105994558
DIY
but you won't do shit.

>>105994495
>you make a shitload of money yet you cry all day long in specialized internet forums... what for?
personally i make very little money and largely complain about things unrelated to jeets (usually)(i am racist but feel no active threat to my livelihood, i just find them annoying)

Retarded CEO trying to force everyone to use AI in everything you do yet again

people get the government they deserve. at the end of the day the american people allowed themselves to be brainwashed and elect foxes to guard the hen house. a country can't have a bright future with an ignorant population. i'm making my money and leaving. fuck you all

learning turbo pascal to own the jeets

guys
what do I do 3 years from now when AI takes over my job

>>105994451
canada? because canada does the same thing. it used to be a meme that poles and georgians would come here, find their literal PHD from Moscow U isn't accredited here, and have to drive a cab to make a living. but because the non-CS things jeets seem to like doing don't really get checked for accreditation, they move over in droves and do shit like driving semi trucks and working security after getting a DurgaDrive certificate that no one local gives a shit about actually looking into

seriously, so many fucking jeet truck drivers and mall cops.

>>105994674
>i'm making my money and leaving
leaving where? everywhere is the same or worse.

>>105995205
greenland

>>105995181
become the ai

learn a trade

>>105994650
>furnigger is back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzMCQyuc5YE&t=165s

>>105995197
>canada? because canada does the same thing
chile, mostly with venezuelan immigrants. no one seems to care about checking if their education is real, if they have experience or are as knowledgeable as they are supposed to be, etc. they are all engineers and programmers and medical doctors and shit, yet some of them are useless, and you end up wondering how the fuck did they even get past interviews.
oh, and they are as bad as jeet, always recommending other venezuelans.

>>105995281
is venezuela still a failed state and are venezuelans as genuinely awful as jeets

jeets are hated less because of the country of india and more because each individual jeet is a literal shit-eater and the few that aren't just breeze through their new country of residence fucking up housing markets and buying businesses to intentionally destroy them so they can pull full-on replacement

i thought venezuelans were poor but generally like their neighbors, and the crisis of venezuela is largely just the government being corrupt but running out of foreign gibs; opposite of jeets whose country is largely functional yet its residents insist on moving away to spread their literal cow diarrhea eating ways worldwide

>>105995323
venezuela has a similar history to the rest of the "decent" latin american countries (chile, argentina): a resource-rich country that elected political leaders that had no clue how to manage money, at a time when income from commodities was high, and so, their country went downhill when bad times came.
they also share similarities in terms of education and economic stratification: their middle and upper classes are mostly educated but are very entitled. I'd guess its same as in chile in another sense: upper classes usually are composed of descendants of (european or even arab) foreigners. meanwhile, the poor are hard working but mostly uneducated.
the first waves of emigration from venezuela were.. you can guess: upper and middle class people. then came the millions of poor people and, with them, criminals, narcos and so on. venezuela right now is VERY poor. they basically destroyed their sources of income and connections to companies that could help them fix the machines needed to extract oil.

...goodnight /twg/

>>105995547
gnight. i've been procrastinating going to bed for an hour now.

Can I get a programing, or really any tech job, without a degree? I fucking hate college, it's so inefficient.

>>105995722
yes, but only if you are good, can demostrate your knowledge and have references
start by studying and talking to tech people or students on tech conferences, chat apps or whatever.

>>105995722
You could barely do that 15 years before. Now its nearly impossible without a degree anon. For IT you need certs, even then get an associates to compete for help desk.

>>105995784
I've been told that contributing to open source projects helps. How true is that?

Also I don't think there are really any tech jobs around me. There might be some, but they're at least an hour away.

>>105995801
>I've been told that contributing to open source projects helps. How true is that?
I'm not a dev, but that sounds like a form of networking, so I guess it could work, but only if the devs you work with care to talk to you and integrate you to their, err, teams, companies or whatever.

>an hour away.
well, that's not that bad. do you have a car o public transport? if so, maybe just send your CV and see what happens?

>>105995822
I don't have a CV, I'm kinda starting from nowhere.

>>105995845
you've never worked for free, written some shitty app, taken care or fixed of someone else's computer/computer network/phone/...? do you not have a home lab? never freelanced? never even did some course on coursera, udemy or something?

>>105995887
No I'm new to this. I made some shitty text game that's it.

>>105995923
Still counts even if you put your computer together is fine too.

>>105995950
Like building a pc? I just did that, and I put Linux Mint on it. There were a couple speed bumps along the way but it's working just fine now.

>>105995956
Yes even if you ran a private minecraft server it counts as job experience. I work in IT and they might've slotted me elsewhere in the company if i had ANY linux experience to include using it daily and knowing basic commands.

>>105995923
>>105995956
well, there you go. that your experience and knowledge. add
- a list of programming/scripting languages you know, popular programs you've configured (like webservers, ssh, whatever), tools you use often
- education
- other jobs you've worked (even ad honorem ones)
and you are set.

>>105995964
I'm gonna be real with you, I've just been looking up what to do and copying and pasting the commands.

>>105995973
welcome to IT! that's all we fucking do
suggestion: learn to use manpages and bash (i.e. run man man and man bash)

>>105995973
Yeah but that is still more work experience than any other person who uses tech for the workplace. None of them even know what computer hardware specs even mean for their needs.

>>105995983
>>105995996
So how far out from a real job do you guys think I am? I work in fast food atm. Can I drop out of college?

>>105996149
Stay in college but try to get a real IT job. Consider moving college to online with your uni.

>>105996220
They don't offer any online classes for the courses I need, because it's a piece of shit community college. I'm going to have to drive 20 fucking miles to go to one of my classes becasue they have a different fucking campus on the other side of town for some fucking reason and that's the only place they offer that class. Best part is, that class is just teaching C++, I could do that at home. What a fucking joke, this shit makes me so unbelievably mad

>>105996149
you wont even be considered without any proof of being competent. the pajeets broke the system with spam applications and now there has to be any kind of filter for these jobs.

>>105996238
Finish your degree and see if you can work part time at some PC repair place, geek squad or at the campus for IT.

i got nothing
why even work
what the fuck does everyone do all day to justify living not to mention working
there's nothing left for me to do except slow euthanasia with substances

>>105997032
>slow euthanasia with substances
You will get bored of that eventually.

>>105997038
well then it will be time for the fast version

>>105997056
You really won't most people are wusses until the age of 70 when they look around and have nothing to show for it.

If you guys have not been paying attention we are in the retail apocalypse thanks to amazon and walmart. You will no longer be able to get a job at some local store unless it's grocery anymore.

>>105997070
i'm already looking around
it's just a matter of shooting too much opium into your veins, it's doable

God I fucking hate work
Humiliation and stress 5 days a week
Even if I retire early I still have a decade to go
I wish I could work some menial job by myself, like making bricks in my backyard or something

>>105997086
Sir this is the tech worker general

>>105995181
you roll over and die like a bitch or take over the MBAs

>What the fuck did you just say about AI replacement you CEO bitch? I'll will have you know if your ambition goes only so far to see AI as substitute for humans to do the same unit of work instead of aiming for the stars and conquering new markets you are no visionary and failed as a leader. You think you can get away with pacifying shareholders with mass layoffs across the board? Think again fucker. As we speak there are people not obsessing over the next quarterly earnings call but busy building superior experiences and raising the bar which will undercut your margins big time. Your entire business model is being targeted for disruption right now so you better prepare for the paradigm shift, maggot. The storm that wipes out your pathetic little thing you call your market share. You are a living fossil, kid. These people can code circles around your army of jeets just with access to the relevant RFCs. They are more than capable to utilize the best in class language models to their full extent. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” cost-saving measure was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't and now you are going to be outcompeted, you absolute clown. AI will shit all over your technical moat and your product will drown. You are fucking deprecated, kiddo

>>105995923
so you were a CTO in a game dev startup. Don't forget to add your buddy/mom as reference if they ask
>biggest challenge I faced is understanding the requirement and demands the niche we operated in

>>105997106
>Even if I retire early I still have a decade to go
such a cruel fate, corpodemons already sucked most of the soul from your very existence and your body already started breaking down never to experience it's full capabilities anymore
>it could be worse
cope

>>105997111
Saar you will be working in retail fighting for whatever jobs are left once the next round of lay offs begin.

>>105995722
>>105995845
just lol

I swear /twg/ when I retire and finally get some free time I will definitely write the next great American novel.
I know that's my real destiny.
Sitting in front of a computer screen is only temporary.

>2 meetings today
>Both got cancelled
>Jokingly whine theres nothing else to do
>Coworker creates a meeting called work
>Cancels it too
FUCK

>>105997878
kek

>>105992387
>t. CS/Math double major
you need a master's degree nigga

I have seen a meme over and over where it's bad to spam applications and you're supposed to talk to someone at a company before sending your resume.

Am I supposed to stalk up the manager of the department I think is hiring on linkedin and DM him? Feels wrong.

Reminder

>>105998100
200k+ new tradies sounds good

>>105998091
Always apply to the company website first, then DM however you can stating that you submitted an application. The real issue is that recruiting websites auto apply is ass. Headhunters barely know what a janitors job is in 2025.

>>105992766
Quant strategy is completely different than stock go up or stock go down and making directional bets. They basically arbitrage and skim off the top of everything. And also do that thing where they buy the order flow and jump ahead of the goyim clicking buy or sell on robinhood so they can buy cheaper and sell to them at their limit price.

>mfw I realized after about 1 year of working that I landed at YET ANOTHER company with zero growth opportunities
What do?
Right now my plan is to wait a few months to the next promotion wave and if I don't get one, I'll start looking for a new job. Or would this be dumb?

>>105998361
Growth comes with moving to another job anon. Internal growth for Tech/IT is non-existent, majority of my managers/PM's came from other companies instead of internal hires.

>>105998361
>>105998407
What is even expected growth? Becoming a leader or more interesting projects? I was basically allowed to define my own role, but it's still just the same slop at the end of the day. And now the money's dried up too, but from my research I'm basically at the low end of a good salary (150k 10yoe)

>>105998407
Yeah that's what I noticed as well. Which is extremely retarded but I guess there's nothing you can do about it
>>105998445
>What is even expected growth?
In a traditional (now non existent scenario) it works like this:
>put in more effort and overperform compared to your colleagues
>take up more responsibilities with time
>your managers recognize your input and promote you to a new title + higher salary (not just the annual +3% or whatever)

what do you do when the software is a piece of shit and there are snags everywhere that are not worth dealing with but not dealing with them would mean not solving the problem 100%
i'm thinking about just pretending to miss have missed it because the alternative is 3 more days of work

>>105998547

I work on a positively horrid piece of shit codebase crafted by infinityjeets. I've long lost the will to refactor things, I get handed a task and I stick to it and move on. To keep my sanity I have my own personal project toy app on the other computer that I tinker with using best practices.

>>105998547
I've only had one job in 15 years where management gave a shit about quality.
We're still in the minimum viable product meta. No sign of that going away.
Don't beat yourself up over it.

>>105995323
>and are venezuelans as genuinely awful as jeets
My favorite prostitute is Venezuelan but she doesn't look like it.

>>105994665
I think they're laying me off because I didn't use their broken AI tools enough.

>>105997741
>Sitting in front of a computer screen is only temporary.
how you gonna write that novel, boy?

>>105998816
with a typewriter and a buttplug at starbucks

>>105998816
Look man it's different when you're not staring at jira or gitlab...

>>105998872
is your organisation too poor for github?

>>105998361
>Or would this be dumb
Yes ABL. Why would they give you a promotion if you don't have any leverage? Surely you don't believe in the meritocracy cope

I have a job and I'm undergoing a hiring process for some local company. the process has been odd, though. I've only talked to a recruiter, not to the company that is hiring me, and I've had to "discover" things because, as it turns out, their client is international. they want me to go to the (in another city) office a couple of days per week. all of this for a 10% wage bump...
the thing that is bothering me right now is that these retards want me to interview directly with the client. again, I have not talked to any of the owners or representatives.
wtf is going on here?

>>105998880

>tfw stuck with ADO

>>105998547
throw an LLM agent at it

>>105998880
>Bitbucket
If only you knew how bad things really are

>>105994650
That creature's legs are on backwards and it bugs me a lot.

>>105994674
Instead we need to elect foxgirls. Vtuber supremacy over America.

>>105998899
talk is cheap, see where it goes, don't accept a god awful commute for +10% but hey, if they like your mug perhaps you can cross that requirement off. Worst case you sharpened your bullshitting, I mean negotiating skills

Ever since i became a senior swe i have gotten 0 (zero) offers on linkedin.
As a non-senior i got several per month.
What happened?

>>105998935
yeah, I'll try to use this to get a better offer from them or from my boss. but I find this weird af. they didn't even ask me for a technical test.
I'm starting to think they want me to bs their potential client to hire them...

>>105998968
ever since i became norwood 4, i have gotten 0 (zero) pussy on tinder

>coworkers have one, sometimes two, spaces before punctuation.
Just fucking kill me man.
It's a real pet peeve.

>>105998899
oooooooook, turns out the "international client" is a foreign bank that has a local branch
these retards were unable to send a fucking email. also, they somehow decided that hiring me through a small company that uses a third party recruiter was a great idea. and they want me to speak english in a non-english speaking country. wtf
if I get hire but never get transferred directly to this bank, I'll tell the small company to fuck off and die

people say that direct invitations for a conversation shouldn't be ignored
what is considered a direct invite?

>>105999142
>what is considered a direct invite?
when your mom says she wants to suck me off

>>105999142
sending "hi" over teams

>>105999171
>>105999173
I mean for job offers, help me out here

>>105999110
but why it make you so upset ? this is normal in many language !

>>105999185
I'd tell you but I've already put a bullet through my skull, sorry bruv.

where my fellow clearedchads at? LMAOing @ the codemonkeys ITT bitching about their jobs.

>18 hours ago
>no longer accepting applications

>>105991559
recommend abandoning Scrum

>>105991970
nope, no difference. I never did either one and I never will.

>>105993111
quants lose money but can then explain why they lost money only after they lost all the money.

>>105993314
No... you need grandpappy's money, daddy's network of contacts, a kilo of cocaine, and a yaught... then you just pretend that you made all that money in the market.

>>105993384
for what it's worth: if you eat beef I do not consider you a jeet.

>>105999270
How to become one of you? I have public trust, don't know how to get into secret / top stuff

>>105995887
You will never be a real programmer. You have no commits, you have no pull requests, you have no public repos. You are a low IQ brown man twisted by an unearned comp sci degree and coding bootcamps into a crude mockery of nature's autism.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and from bots. Behind your back people call you a useless DEI hire. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “tech bros” laugh at you behind closed doors.

Real programmers are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of forum posts have allowed programmers to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even devs who “pass” have no creative output and excessively verbose with AI generated tech buzzwords. Your GitHub profile is a dead giveaway, and even if you manage to score a 3 month internship at some scam startup, they'll lay you off the second they find out that you haven't completed any non school related projects.

You will never be happy. You cope by saying that your bullshit software is using a "proprietary test framework" so you can't open source it, but deep down you know it's because you don't want people to see your incompetence where all you did was push README updates over and over, and that the core codebase was stolen off an open source GPL licensed project which you're shamelessly profiting off.

Eventually it will be too much to bear. You'll buy a spoofed business phone number and start cold calling old people into redeeming your gift card scam.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

>>105999276
>TFW that pay range
God it is so fucking over. I bet they hired someone asking for 55k yr.

>>105999270
getting shipped off to georgia next week

>>105999327
you have to get hired by a company and sponsored, or do some time in the military in a job that needs a clearance (which thankfully these days is most of them if you ever deploy)

>>105998547
document it in a work item and kick it up to whoever is your boss.

>>105999327
You have be an actor and pretend, convincingly, that the United States is under constant military threat and that developing a more effective ways to committ mass murder is the only moral thing to do. Then start cheering USA USA USA and encouraging others to enlist in the military while you work in some air conditioned building around Washington DC.

>>105998888
>Yes ABL.
tf is ABL? Speak English
>Why would they give you a promotion if you don't have any leverage?
As soon as you start threatening it's over anyways. "Leverage" is a meme.
>Surely you don't believe in the meritocracy cope
Worked out well for me so far. Obviously nepotism and semi nepotism exist, but it's not like it's impossible to ascend based on skills

>>105999489
>jeet mad he couldn't get a clearance
defence is safe because it exists to waste government money by funneling it to veterans and everyone already in it is right-leaning by nature of the industry so there's no incentive to hire jeets

and jeets refuse to join the military to get into that pipeline because they are scared of CHYNA

>>105999552
What if I'm a White US citizen but I'm a fat retard in my 30s?

>>105999560
every white us citizen in their 30s is a fat retard so i cannot provide any specific input on your case

>apply to lockheed for local IT
>interview goes fine until one question
>"Anon what's your experience with the F-35i Lightning II Adir?"
>wat
>say I know what it is, knowledgedrop some stats/features, but joke that I've obviously never flown one
>they just start packing up their stuff as soon as I finish saying "... But I've never flown one"
>"Anon we were expecting someone with a little more experience in the field."
What the fuck? Do they really expect 40k/yr helldeskers to have combat flight experience on a brand-new plane?

>>105999626
They're filtering out non-vets

>>105999633
How many US vets have flown an israel-specific variant of a cutting edge combat jet?

>dev ecosystem already a tedious horrid overly obfuscated mess in dire need of streamlining
>HELLO SAARS TODAY WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE LATEST PROPOSAL TO DEVELOP IN WINDOWS WSL

kill me

>>105999560
>>105999489
>>105999327
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0EUxH0aaA8

>>105999327
ask your manager if they can get you one. if they like you and have a need they'll sponsor you
>>105999626
you already posted this before and got told
>apply for job asking for experience with F-35s
>wtf why did they ask me if i had experience with the F-35?

>>105999713
the job was internal IT at a naval gunboat trainer though

>>105999626
They just needed an excuse to deny you

>>105999746
would the internal HR sluts take "he isn't literally an Ace" as a good excuse though? and if the HR cat ladies don't matter to the hiring, why interview me at all, or why not just do the whole thing and then ghost me like any other employer intending on importing an H1B [spoiler]polack[/spoiler]

I went golfing yesterday by myself while I was "WFH". Got lucky and didn't get any important pings. Felt like bliss. Anyone else ever do this?

Hi,,, quick call ?

>>105999775
It's literally only 7 kills anon. Surely you can get that in your F35. Use a monkey model like the Joint Strike Fighter if you have to.

>>105999775
They would just say not enough industry knowledge or not a good fit

>>105999788
the one time i took an on-call day to get drunk and play pool I got a ping saying i had to go in RIGHT THEN as soon as i finished my 5th beer at like 11pm

i almost ended up sleeping in the office because of the bus schedules

>>105999142
>>105999184
an invite to talk. wtf, how can you be so dumb. are you indian or something?

>>105999808
oof, bad luck. I've had a few close calls where I was doing groceries or something and I get called into an outage or something and I need to BS my way back to my house/computer asap

>>105999364
I'm not a programmer
Meanwhile, you will never cease to be a retarded veneco

>>105999552
jYep jeets are too afraid to act even when the course of action is obvious and necessary so, yeah, jeets would cripple the USA's ability to extract profit from this decaying empire.

>>105999690
right... so long as one single nigga with a rocket launcher exists anywhere on planet earth THE HOMELAND IS IN DANGER!!! USA MILITARY NEEDS MORE BILLION DOLLAR PLANES AND SHIPS!!!

>>105999848
sorry anon I just love that copy-pasta and hadn't seen it in a while.

>>105999861
if i had a rocket launcher, i'd make somebody pay

>have to fill in doing onboardings because someone went on leave and another left the company
>onboarding one girl and one old (jewish?) man who was a tech retard
>girl was competent and able to follow along with my instructions for our retarded onboarding IT call with some conveluted instructions based on how the company is structured.
>but actually did really well on the call and HR says "man you're so good anon we're going to keep asking you to do this!"
>have actual other work to do

>>105999892
tell them that it's not in your job description, and if they add it quietly without paying you more, you'll quit

>>105999892
You went full janny never go full janny

Why are there so many vets on this thread?

>>105999888
he who lives by the rocker launcher shall perish by the rocket launcher

>>105999932
it's just military recruiters larping as vets. they've got quotas to fill by end of month.

>>105999892
>>105999916
Nah, just tell them you'd love to do more of that but unfortunately you have tickets to committ. (make sure to say it seriously and with a straight face, don't laugh or anything after you say that).

>>105999946
Recruiters are active duty, and generally pulled from the corps of people who are ready for promotion but don't have enough time in or haven't done enough "administrative" postings. Wouldn't a recruiter thus also be a vet?

>>105999946
I really need you to sign this avionics contract for a $40k bonus. Please my family wants to go to seaworld.

>>105999966
bullshit. a veteran is somebody who has been in combat; everybody else is just a larp vet that worked in the mess hall kitchen. If you've ever met a real vet they all say the same thing: don't enlist.

please don't join the military. there's only so much money to go around and I want all of it

>>105999976
>avionics
sounds fun tbqh

>>105999976
this.

>>105999984
Oh please,
>Aaaaa I got shot at I am le special
A vet is someone who served in active forces and was not dishonorably discharged.

>>105999932
>>105999946
>vets
more like bots

>>105999984
Enlist anon i need the recruitment bonus for getting 5 more bodies in the force so i can buy a Ducati SuperSport 950 S. I NEED IT PLEASE ENLIST AND SIGN THIS 94B MOS ACCEPTANCE LETTER.

>>105999999
>>106000000

>>105999984
ah, i see. i was working off the more general definition of anyone who has served in the military seriously ever, even if not combat. and thats what i meant in >>105999932 as well so i guess i'll rescind that and ask
>Why are there so many current or former military members on this thread?

>worked in the mess hall kitchen.
fun fact: the DANGER LEVEL on my local base is literally higher than on bases in not-really-east-but-threatened-by-russia europe because if you work/live on the base here in canada, you are statistically more likely to be shot than you would be in Latvia or Estonia

>>106000005
i think you lose legal "veteran" status if you're dishonourably discharged/involuntarily released for crime (i forget which category it is but theres like 5 of them and 4 are boring shit like "retired"/"got hurt"/"contract completed and didn't re-up but also didn't explicitly not re-up")

>>106000033
>buy
LARP. Pure LARP

A true military man would be leasing that shit in a rent-to-own program at 1000% interest

>>106000059
A brand new charger you say.

>>106000059
Bigger larp even than that. You would be leasing to own with 35% apr and taking out payday loans to afford the lease payments while your family is on SNAP/Food stamps/EBT/WIC so you can afford every loan under the sun for the next release of the LG
97 Inch Class LG OLED evo AI G5 4K Smart TV 2025 with Supplied Wall Mount
$24,999.99
https://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-oled97g5wua-oled-4k-tv

>>106000074
I actually know someone who is at my rank, has similar career history to me, and he bought a charger pretty much immediately after getting a real posting

it was one of the inline 4 models LMAO KEK WHAT A BITCH (i shouldnt say that, it is a very comfy car and a gas guzzling twin turbo'd 6 cyl is inappropriate for city driving)

>>106000080
now you're thinking like a Veteran, but you forgot one thing

that TV was bought from the PEX on an installment plan

>>105999976
dolphin pussy.......

>>106000108
I am a vet so its an installment plan put on their credit card most of the times. Food, Utilities and Rent are 3rd rate concerns next to alcohol, tobacco, starbucks and energy drinks, then its stupid bullshit, then its basic needs. 4th is being responsible enough to show up to work on time, do the job without bitching and being accountable when you fuck up.

>>105999790
NO!

>>106000131
>starbucks
vets don't go to starbucks, that's libtard shit. they get the equivalent brappuccino from tim hortons or mcdonalds

God dammit i hate nights. More so i hate having to sleep, stay awake to do household projects, get woken up to go to work during my fucking bed time for paperwork, called in on my days off for bullshit. FFFFFFFF the lack of pay compensation is the real kicker.

>>106000180
Tim hortons is canadian you moose fucker. Mcdonalds is off base its all Burger King on base.

>>106000175
Please saar, the needful needs hotfix

>be military
>don't lease a charger
>didn't buy a motorcycle
>have no children, let alone child support
>have never shopped at the ___EX except for snacks (and maybe a replacement uniform piece in a pinch)
>show up to work mostly on time
>answer emails within at most a business day
>never been court martialed, only other charges are for brazen "Not Today" AWOLs
>most of my pocket money goes to alcohol though
im da bes

>>106000196
d-does burger kang have coffee

>pm unmutes and says "do we have any task lists or progress towards the project's goals?"
>project has been going to 18 months
where the FUCK do they find these people

Tech gigacorp campuses already have cafeterias and limited grocery stores. Why haven't they adopted the army model of having a store to sell gaymer laptops preloaded with corpo cancerware, bikes no one's gonna ride after purchasing, and giant TVs that won't be looked at because you're too busy on TikTok on your phone? It'd be a great way to "naturally" and "ethically" recoup wages.

what keyboard and mouse are you using right now? do you bring your mechanical keyboard to work?

>>106000365
It says dell on it.

>>106000365
I use picrel

>>106000365
I use Microsoft® XBox® Kinect™

>>106000365
We've been over this. I'm just a nigga with a rocket launcher.
I did buy a PSO-1 knockoff from Wish.Com though.

>>105999321
>for what it's worth: if you eat beef I do not consider you a jeet.
Thankfully I didn't grow up in that kind of household - I could eat beef and enjoy In N Out double double burgers when they were $2.80 growing up in high school
>>105999861
>jYep jeets are too afraid to act even when the course of action is obvious and necessary
Yes...this is a basically because jeet society is feudal, status seeking and conformist - they only take actions to seek approval and look good. Everything is for optics and to assure their superiors that things are looking good.

That's why they nod and tell you everything is okay when it isn't.

Indians lack the independent renegade spirit that made my fucking home - the Silicon Valley - great. You see a clear distinction between real human beings here in the Silicon Valley who have their own thoughts and real opinions and then H1B Striverjeets and even some of their kids (like me) who are status-seeking strivejeets

>>106000398
>PSO-1
>on a rocket launcher
DO
REALLY

>>106000431
>Indians lack the independent renegade spirit that made my fucking home - the Silicon Valley - great.
even in the dot com boom the entire industry was made up of sycophants recycling technology and techniques from other field

>>105999508
Yes, it is dumb. ABL = Always Be Leaving, just how junior are you?
It's over if you stop testing the market. You don't use words like 'threaten' in a business context, but you are expected to negotiate. If you can't do the basics right it just shows you are inexperienced.
I'm talking about optimization in general. If you are satisfied with where you are in life at the moment more power to you. Not everyone needs to be neurotic about leaving money on the table.

>>106000447
That's totally normal - sycophants and incremental additions to existing tech - all part and parcel of tech cycles and booms.

What is not healthy or normal is the JEETIFICATION of the labor market and corporate culture.

Two separate things.

>>105999788
my favourite is when I aced every round of interviews and taking my time accepting their offer. I simply stop working, no answers, no calls, no inputs. If I feel a bit naughty I set up some boobytraps here and there and make some commitments in the name of the team
>screw you guys, I won't be here in a month
time slows down, food tastes better

>>106000474
>slave labor is not healthy or normal
You should read a history book.

>>106000474
jeets do so well in tech because tech is already similar to their culture. it's scams from top to bottom, any investments are just degenerate gambling, puts "strong men" on pedestals and needs legions of wage slaves to support them, and the actual core non-person actually technological end relies mostly on rote memorization of concepts because computers are inherently unnatural. all things jeets love.

it's literally an industry that comes down to writing flowcharts for made-up systems. you know whose country's entire educational, financial, and cultural systems are just a series of made-up flowcharts?

>>106000507
>>106000508
Okay you guys are right. That's why my people are mogging the pale school shooter timmys in tech.
For a second I thought there was a problem with American tech companies turning into India!

>>106000552
>turning into India!
they only made such heavy investment into india in the first place because the tech world is itself already culturally indian. this was a natural conclusion, and yet more proof that Ted Was Right

>>106000508

Tech is vulnerable because it's softer science, subjective, borderline an art as much as a science. It requires trustworthy stewardship or else it becomes excessively scammy.

While jeet scabs have always existed in the software world since the 90's we are in brave new territory where they are now taking over engineering departments entirely, including management and executive leadership.

The most seismic and tangible cultural shift I've noticed in tech/software since I started is the emphasis on code quality (design patterns, architecture, OOP best practices etc) shifting to speed (timed leetcode, pace of feature dev and deliverables). This is the difference between the European and Asian brain. The European wants to deliberate on quality and build something efficient architecturally, the Asian wants to grab whatever is available and start hammering away. This is why everything is going to turn into something bloated, inefficient, buggy, but "feature rich."

>>106000552

>chest-beating about being the cheap Mexicans of tech

The funniest thing is that the world's future top software companies are still going to be founded by a handful of white/European men

>>106000552
As the aforementioned pale school shooter timmy, I'd like to point out that I did the bare minimum to pass and have JUST enough tech knowledge to present a 1000 mile long glass super future city to a room full of illiterate "entrepreneurs" if actually tried I'd already be your bosses boss. The reality is it's all work all the time and I don't want to do that shit. Save me AI.

>>106000572
This goes back to what I was saying earlier about Indians living in and creating a society where they are constantly under the rod and display status-seeking feudal behavior that optimizes for a facade of progress or stability, even if there really isn't. Because you want to make sure that
SAAAAR notices you are doing WORK TASK.


do you getting what im saying TIMMY? get the PR merged BHANCHOOOOD

the PR must be merged.
i do not care . and minimum 5 commit per PR.

SHOW JIRA TICKET

>>106000572
>borderline an art
you're overdosing on your own farts, call 911

>>106000620
the main problem with that sort of scam is you have to keep doing them, and it's a lot of legwork to shill so hard. I can't imagine the returns are very good even compared to telling old people they owe back taxes

>>105998361
I realized I don't really care about career. Keeping my skills competitive for the job market and getting a better salary is all that matters to me.

>>106000637
UX is an art. You cannot have some feature with a bloated sequence of actions or display.

Have you ever seen a Hindu temple? It's complete bloatware aeesthetically

>>106000659
>You cannot have some feature with a bloated sequence of actions or display.
t. knows nothing about UX

just expose the button outside the bag lil bro

>>106000637

It simply is you retard. Hardware for instance does not have this amount of creative freedom. Software is limitless and that makes it partially an art, because doing it right requires some sense, intuition, not pure autism. If you're a jeet you don't get that, that's the entire point, you think this is just a slopshow where you shart whatever you want onto a file and compile it.

>>105999070
Get a hairtransplant already you fucking loser.

>>106000679
>you think this is just a slopshow where you shart whatever you want onto a file
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everything_is_a_file

>have to go to the office a couple of days a week
>it's summer so I show up there in flip flops
>girl from customer support complains to me
>tell her to mind her own business
>she gets assmad and goes directly to my boss
>boss is an absolute boomer schizo
>tells her to go back to work and never again bother him or me with that kind of bullshit

installing an audio passthrough driver on my work computer so whenever anyone contacts me via Teams i can just blast Steroids (Hidden Gabber Megamix) at max volume instead of answering them properly

>>106000727
You must have smelly ass feet. Go shower

>>106000727
Women and their conformity to whatever social norms are are so annoying. Sexbots can't come soon enough.

>>106000650
Yeah, it's kind of like poker one of the hardest ways to make easy money.

wearing bloused combat boots and candyland camo to the job interview

>>106000750
Oh my god, it's 4 Jason Bournes.

>>106000750
>pink laces
HE PUTS OUT

>>106000472
>Yes, it is dumb. ABL = Always Be Leaving
>only reference to this in the dev context is one (1) single blogpost
I hate retards like you

>>106000734
The actual complain was "This is no way to dress for work".

>americans wake up
>thread goes to shit
every time

>>106000775
She's right how am I supposed to work with an erection? Put some socks on.

>>106000788
>it's not how I WANT IT TO BEEEEEEEEE
Saar, I am sorry saar.

>>106000750
DO CANADIANS FUCKING REALLY

>>106000679
I think it's fucking hilarious thinking about Indians trying to apply abstract software principles like DRY or LSP because they did rote memorization jeet gymnastics to get the job but when it comes to applying it to a real situation they just poo it up.

>>106000775
how does she dress for work? does she wear a mini? do you have any pics of her? you need to prove that she exists, you know.

>>106000823
every time I've had to "code" at my job i just pop open the powershell ISE and make some sub-50 line script to do whatever file mangling I need to

for me this is the true spirit of "tech" -- using TOOLS to accomplish SPECIFIC TASKS

>>106000855
>powershell ISE
Post Hands

>>105998100
The best thing you can do is position yourself so you don't need to participate in the economy.
Build your own house, maintain your own shitty 20 year old car, don't buy expensive things.

>>105999406
See you in olam haba, makrov chain bot.


>>106000788
I'm glad for timezones. Timezones shield me from all the issues in asia, and Asians are créative in generating problems.

>>106001217
>See you in olam haba, makrov chain bot.
I had to look that up. Dustmen never die; all that's left are ghosts and shadows
I did put my name in for an IT/crypto/radio hell desk position in yurop on a named operation though. Almost definitely not going to get it, but it'd be a very lucrative six months

>Asians are créative in generating problems.
Humanity is the problem-generating species. Man yearns to solve problems, and now that there are no real problems left, we have to make up more. I, for one, enjoy my comfy less-than-a-person existence reveling in maintaining easy times and only having to get worked up when things actually break. Let go the pain of being a man, and all that.

>>106000845
You are not baiting me into doxing myself again anon.

>>106001286
I'm the bottom right. I always set the clock like that.

>Almost definitely not going to get it
So you might live? And you may stay away from Europe right?

>>106001359
>I'm the bottom right.
>why yes I enjoy cock and ball torture for the mind

I have a feeling that the 44 yo lady from HR is into BDSM.

>>106001359
I used to do that when I was younger, but today it is me on the bottom left. I use an old Nintendo DS as my alarm, and once I'm in the swing of working I just wake up at 5am anyway.

>So you might live?
Everybody lies

>And you may stay away from Europe right?
I'm too lazy to leave my nest, so probably. Maybe if there's a real crisis I'll move to Lithuania or something. I hear they've got a great metal scene and more English speakers than French. Unironically I've been meaning to put aside some actual big chunk of Fun Money to go back there for the Klaipeda Sea Festival again sometime, except this time with a hotel room where I can bang all the engineers and naval architects in peace

>>106001391
it gets you out of bed nigga

Starting another stint at work and still haven't received any word of what the hell I'm supposed to be working on specifically. I don't have an admin account anymore, and I am not up to date on any major projects. How shitty are the next few weeks gonna be and how many times am I going to be tempted to bring in my dremel kit let alone the rest of my tool bags?

>>106000679
>Hardware for instance does not have this amount of creative freedom
Lol you're a retarded hardwarelet

>>106001641
can you just be normal

>>106000679
>creative freedom.
Stay far away from software, especially any role that mentions "engineering" if you want this.

>>106001857

I'm saying less about desiring it, more about the infinite ways you can create shit code too. "Freedom" isn't always a good thing for foolhardy dilettantes and suits who simply want rapid deliverables.

I thought I was the only one. Literally no one seems to know how any of this shit works.

>>106000365
I have a trackball and two of these Chinese bleutooth keyboards.

The firmware has some kind of data corruption issue. Every morning I have to guess which bluetooth profile is assigned to which key.

>>106001760
not happening

how do i find a balance between being easy going with work but also being able to put my foot down and speak up when theres something wrong.

I feel like theres people who lean too much one way or the other. i want to find a balance but these people piss me off so much sometimes.

but at the same time i dont want to come across as some dork that nobody wants to work with

>>106002097
Why would you ever take any of this crap seriously?

>>106002217
this but unironically. i complain a lot but only because i like complaining. ain't no reason to take work seriously. as long as you're getting paid, what's it matter? if it mattered, they wouldnt have to pay you for it

How long before datadog sales reps stop calling you? I made a tinder account with my personal number for 2fa, and set my work title as system developer- devops. Tinder obviously sells that data, so starting that day and every day since I get cold called, even reaching out on linked in. It’s been a week.

today i will drink an entire bottle of 151, remember all the ways my life went wrong, and reflect on how none of those failures matter, nothing matters, none of this matters

bros are we in pain
did we do it to ourselves

>>106002372
>>106002536
Let me guess you whiners both have six figure salaries

>>106002536
yes and yes

>>106002637
mid-5 when i deploy

Are the Silicon Valley "tech bro" types of today really just the American psycho Wall Street guys of the 80's?

>>106002694
Cocaine morons? I believe it crypto must have skewed the archetype towards fratbro.

>>106002694
they wish they were as cool and well put together as a character explicitly written to be clearly cracking up under the pressure of his own made up life

Is it typical to get the option for a sabbatical in your contract as a software engineer?

yeah... that interview was kinda hard. also, fucking recruiters didn't tell me what it was for. I told them about my current role when there was no need at all.

>>106002217
so i can make more money, which usually coincides with being likeable but competent ive noticed

>>106002756
I've known some very senior engineers who have but they definitely weren't contractors.

onsite with meta in a week, took pto to prep
I hear they are hiring a lot right now, am I just gonna get laid off in 6 months even if I get it?

>>106002536
i look act and feel exactly like this

@everyone code a new thread please

>>106003150
@everyone GUYS BEING SHTO AT FROM THE WEWORK LIFT

>>106003222
>>106003222
>>106003222

>hey anon! this is [roasty] from [mexican company], we are currently looking for people with experience in [niche tech] to embark in a project that will last less than a year with no prospects of any future projects with that tech, would you be interested in leaving your current stable job to join our team as an independent contractor?
>no, I will not give you a rate in the first message
realistically, how do you (I) respond without sounding mad?

>>106003225
>furry op
>/utwg/
erm, @Everyone what the f*ck is this?

>>106003346

Are techbros actually incapable of making threads on 4chan? Do they not know how to do it?

>>106003324
do both jobs

>>106003407
I'm genuinely too retarded and my current job has me at meetings all day, at I don't how you guys do it

>>106003436
who cares lmao
just do both, miss meetings for the new job if they conflict, do the minimum and collect the paychecks until they fire you

>thread was at 320+ posts
>suddenly the new thread gets deleted and poster seems to have been banned
>thread count is 240 now
lmao

>>106003538
A quarter of the time Anon is just one guy. wew lad

>>106003538
>25% of /twg/ is one samefag posting furshit

>>106003538
a lot of his replies were to himself too.

>get contacted by recruiter
>gives me a role description
>turns out the actual role is slightly different at a fundamental level
what do? I doubt they will hire me

>>106003538
>>106003570
>>106003582
count @ /utwg/ went from the same number to 289 kek. what a schizo

>>106003626
>t.janny?

>>106003680
kill her and then yourself

>>106003324
Ask if you can work from home and then just don't quit your current job.

>>106003686
not janny i can just see the deleted posts with 4chanx

>>106003706
I see, I'm retarded.
could have been multiple retards though, but yeah, it was the same guy, most probably

Current plan:
Keep at the SWE rat race for another few years, then get a tier 1 MBA and become the C suite guy I hated

Why the hell are we in tech?

>>106003833
They really don't pay us enough for the complexity or stress of the job.

>>106003833

i'm good at it, it pays well and ai sucks at most of what I can do

>>105992049
why are you getting a degree when you already have the job that's retarded and wasteful. cs50 is literally free. pick any data structure course. you've caught up and saved yourself $100k

>>106003907
This. Especially if you already had a math heavy degree there are like 10-12 credit hours of actually useful classes in a CS degree.

>>106004037
>like 10-12 credit hours of actually useful classes in a CS degree.
There's more than that, but there is a lot of bullshit that isn't relevant to the real world.

>>106004101
There's the two intro to programming classes (which I wasn't really counting)
Then there's usually an algorithms/datastructure class
databases
Networks
OS
languages/parsing

Yeah that's about 12 credit hours

>>106004179
Nevermind I can't count.

>>106003766
Skip the MBA. https://www.ycombinator.com/apply

>>106004206
Actually now that I'm reading it that's not as bad as I thought it was.

i've done nothing all week and everyone says im doing a good job.

>>106004206
por que no los dos
(my ego craves having an ivy diploma, I fell for the free UNC meme)

>>106004264
It sneaks up on you but it takes months. There's a spiritual aspect to formal collaboration like this that many people don't appreciate.

>>106004271
>por que no los dos
Sorry I don't speak mexican.

entry level SCCM admin interview this week, what am I in for? What should I be ready to talk about?

Network engineer chads rise up
Why yes I do just play connect the dots to create networks
Why yes I do just bulk generate router and switch configurations from a database
Why yes I do just bulk push the configurations to the devices by pressing a single button
Why yes I do act as if flashing lights and the moving of beepboopbits is an alien science

>>106004751
Sure, but if we dropped you into a place with no connection you can subnet boundary and everything just with your knowledge alone because you know what you're doing, right?

>>106004751
>want to be a network engineer
>can't get my company to offer me a chance as a net admin even though I fix most of the fuckups the net admin makes
it hurts

>>106004772
Yes sir
I can even haul terminate and test the cables
I can do it all

>>106004787
based, this guy networks

>>106004751
God IT really is a fun career. You have all of the troubleshooting of being a mechanic but less of the chemicals and back breaking work. More so the pay is gucci.

I just fucking hate certification renewal.

Pretty off-topic but what other websites do you guys use? I was thinking back on the sharty hack from earlier this year... I had no place to go on the internet besides watching a few youtube videos. That was the most productive 2 weeks of my life

>>106004906
Youtube and the goon treasure troves. Those are classified.

Today some pajeeta who I think was visiting from another office was sitting in my area today and she kept looking over at me and playing with her hair

>>106004918
Your actions?

>>106004918
She wants you fired for harassment so she can take your job.

>>106004918
redeem those bobs

>>106004922
i tried my best to ignore her
>>106004924
she doesn't want my job, my job sucks, i don't even want my job
>>106004925
she was getting really close to the border of would/wouldn't, and I couldn't decide. Even if I would, I'm too afraid to talk to women anyway

>>106004918
>pajeeta
pass

>work from home today
>I always sleep until like 5 minutes before shift starts
>alarm doesn't go off
>overslept by like 20 minutes
>frantically turn on work laptop
>it gives me a BSOD (I have never had this happen before)
>quickly take a picture of it
>manager calls literally seconds later asking hey what's going on, why aren't you online
>tell him I've been trying to get logged in but having technical issues, send him picture of the BSOD

Fuck yeah, windows saved my ass this time

>>106005181
your boss gets on you for 20 minutes? thats rough

>>106005191
Normally he wouldn't but I've been very late a shit ton of times recently so he probably got concerned immediately.

>>106004937
if shes visiting from another office theres an easy thing to do. just invite her out to lunch. you can even bring a couple of workmates to take the edge off

>>106005214
I don't have any workmates, I'm the only one on my team

I'm tired of being myself. Tired of having to fight people, even the ones that are supposed to "love" me.

goodnight /twg/

Good morning TWG :D

Copy paste hell

>>106002097
Just be crazy and flip the switch at a moments notice, as needed. Trust me, it works like a charm and you get to see people's faces change in real time.

>>105991921
Have you tried contacting a human? Go find out qho the hiring manager is. Document names of every person you speak to on the way. Alaays say that the person they know referred you to them.
>Italicizing
Wait a minute...

>>106005181
>tfw wfh chad
>run errands the whole day, no tippity tap on keyboard because screw these guys and their 0% raises
>have nothing for the humiliation to report
>screw it, I'm just gonna wing it lol
>bauss messages 10 minutes before 'let's cancel the mtg, you don't need to interview for your job today'
the gods are smiling at me and gracing my boldness

should i give up 125k wfh random company do nothing job chill vibes for 185k meta 3day in office everyone is a backstabing cunt?

>>106006972
most probably not, but you do you, things can change quickly, if your current job starts mandating just a single day I would go for the meta one
with current lm boost in dev capabilities being employed looks like the sucker end of things and bootstrapping something valuable out of thin air is probably worth a try? Easier to do it while having a chill af comfy job

also, do you have the offer on the table? Just entertain them until only your signature is missing. See how far you can push them.

>>106006972
Do you need the extra 60k a year for anything?

>>106006972
I guess what you're asking is whether hell is worth 60k more per year

>mfw realizing my work now consists solely of certificate renewals, firewall openings and other menial jeet tier support tasks
I've been quiet laidoff, haven't I? Should I start flinging resumes immediately or just keep milking the current salary as long as possible out of spite?

>Migrating/Updating old database
>"Hey just make it work exactly the same as production"
>Make it work exactly the same as production
>Notice bugs on the original code that aren't work-breaking but they're there
>Ask manager if I should fix those
>"No just focus on making it work exactly like in Pro"
>Alright
>QA on dev: Yup it works like in PRO, pass
>QA on pre: "Hey should these bugs be fixed?"
>I was told to just make it work like in PRO without worrying about bugs
>Manager now tells me I've to fix them
>It takes twice as much to fix and test because someone needs to push every change to the PRE server
>I'm getting the blame for the extra time it's taking because I should've fixed these bugs

I'm half an inconvenience away from quitting

>>106006948
B a s e d

>>106007259
>Should I start flinging resumes immediately
Whether you do or don't won't change the outcome.
>>106007226
>>106007180
*40k after taxes.

>>105991418 (OP)
I'm on the verge of a mental break and need to get as far away from my home as possible. can any anons chime on on the state of tech in australia? I've got an MSc and a bri'ish passport

>>106007715
Chink and Indianan hellhole that will hire literally petrol sniffers over aussies if they apply for any position aka abbos.

>>106007747
I'm from the UK, so that's my baseline to compare to

>>106007752

>>106007715
your home being your parental home?

Another day, another 2 hours laying in bed browsing 4chan while waiting for team lead to respond

>>106007900
yes but extending to the entire country, I've got to get out of here, it's not the place I grew up in any more

Devops? Logs? CVEs?
You need to deploy to prod ASAP?
Grug you must've hit your head. Let's go catch some fish

>>106007927
run away chud

>>106007375
Do you have in writing what your cunt manager has told you?

>>106003436
Aren't there legal restrictions? How can you be full-time employed and still 100% work as a contractor for another company? Won't the tax office rape your ass or something?

>>105991418 (OP)
Is it normal to get the option for a sabbatical in your contract? I keep hearing roasties get sabbaticals to travel the world on the internet, but I never heard anyone in person to have taken one, or has the option in their contract. There was no option for a sabbatical in my contract.

>>106008842
LEL I have a guy who runs a company of contractors and works for the company of whom he has employees under contract for. Real fucking funny seeing him walk around and work 2 jobs.

>>106004751
I'm an engineer for a major vendor can I play too?
What's it like on the other side? Comfy or stressful?
For me it's weird because I'll read RFCs and pick out the smallest details, scale things to the max, but then have no idea what the big picture topology is supposed to be. I'm thought about going for some certs even though I don't need them just because of that.

>everything werks fine in the test servers
>google meet between me, boss and the clients the boss is trying to sell the feature
>it bugs out, doesn't work
>right after, boss goes nuclear on me
>calls me lazy, tells me to test shit properly, etc
>next call is on monday morning, need to fix all the stuff beforehand
>weekend of unparalel anxiety coming up
i can't handle this shit brehs

>>106008912
sabbatical is just PTO
e.g. here you get 30 days PTO/year on avg and my corpo adds another 40 days of sabbatical after 4 years of employment

>>106009026
why are you doing live demos? Just pre-record shit, you are literally asking for it.
Also, start recording the mtgs with boss
>but muh right to privacy
self defense trumps it

>>106009026
I've never been yelled at professionally. It would really piss me off.

>>106009071
More like unpaid time off with the promise of the job still being there after. I assume it's negotiable depending on seniority, the company itself, and whatever else. Probably not good for career growth, but could be kind of neat if everything lines up just right for some reason.

>>106009026
>>106009155 samefag
Someone was condescending to me once like 8 years ago and I just didn't respond, but I still tangentially work with him and hate him to this day

Time to stitch together a front end for a demo.
Please help me ChatGPT/Claude/Gemini, I forgot how frontend works and you're my only hope

Is there any chance this happens?
Also why is he constantly flipping on every issue. Sometimes multiple times?

>>106009551
>>106009551
>>106009551
>>106009551

>>106009555
Fuck, I was just making a thread >>106009569
I'll delete it..

>>106009155
it is absolutely paid, in fact, there is some extra $wag thrown in and everyone is encouraged to make the most of it. After they extracted 4 years worth of work from their slaves throwing a bone is basic courtesy