Thread 105998997

Gone will be the days of indie browsers that can block telemetry. We will be stuck with Brave's manifest v3 spyware browser. The DOJ has found that Google is violating antitrust laws by paying Mozilla to be the default search engine. This would effectively end over 80% of Mozilla's yearly revenue. The US government has stopped giving donations to Mozilla, would you donate to Mozilla to keep the browser running?

>>105998997 (OP)
They can rot. Elinks works fine.

>>105998997 (OP)
Another antiwhite org down. It's a shame they were so successful in scamming that they still have half a billion of assets left.

>>105998997 (OP)
I would donate 1 btc to Firefox Development, not to Mozilla Woke Propaganda Company.

Won't somebody think of the poor CEOs.

>>105998997 (OP)
>mozilla inc gets 17 million in donations
>mozilla inc CEO makes 17 million a year
Really makes you think

>>105999020
Thank you for financing H1Bs good saar

I really hope not. We don't need a Chromium-exclusive internet. Look at how easily Google nuked uBlock Origin and JPEG XL from Chromium-based browsers.

LibreWolf and other Firefox-based browsers will have a significantly harder time without Mozilla.

*CRUNCH*
*CRUNCH*
*CRUUUUUUUUNCH*

>4get
>betterfox.js
>hardened firefox

crunch crunch :I

If Firefox goes, Safari will be the only major independent browser left, and it's only available for macOS and iOS.

>>105998997 (OP)
>allow Mozilla to collect user data
Wrong, they always collected it, but now they can USE it. This fucking retard can't even read

>>105999085
They will actually will have to do the hard work instead of leeching of Mozilla's source code. Mozilla clones are just as pathetic as Chromium clones. I bet Librewolf will leech off of Ladybird if Mozilla dies.

>>105999121
You forgot someone.
Chrome literally leeches some codes of it.

>>105998997 (OP)
>see thread
huh I wonder what hap-
>lunduke
ah yes, any day now

>>105998997 (OP)
How about you kick out all the political activists and focus on just making the browser?

>>105998997 (OP)
A web browser doesn't need more than 10 programmers. Mozilla is already well beyond mission.

Another Wikipedia. 0.1% is spent on hosting, 1% on development and 98.9% on salaries and woke propaganda campaigns.
GOY, wikipedia can SHUT DOWN any day without your support!

>>105998997 (OP)
Tweets need to be 140 char or less

>>105998997 (OP)
This justifies another pay increase for their CEO

>>105999490
Firefox spends a significantly higher portion of their revenue on development. People still complain that their software isn't good enough.

>>105998997 (OP)
good
i spent an inordinate amount of time trying to figure out why my PC was crashing and ended up replacing nearly every part only for it to end up being fucking firefox

>>105999593
I'm sure it's true

>>105999559
>development
On things unrelated to their shitty web browser displaying web pages.

Good riddance

>>106000045
Retards really think it takes zero effort to develop an entire modern javscript engine, css engine, etc.

>>105998997 (OP)
poozilla btfo
nothing of value was lost
they were selling your data since 2006, firetrany retard

>>106000098
Actually yes, at this point they're maintaining. And no, you don't need more than $2 million a year in salaries to keep everything running well.

>>105998997 (OP)
Scale back how about a rollback? Each release has been worse than the next, only sponsored "articles" will mention the new features in a positive way.

Well as some you have mentioned, majority of the money is taken by the CEO and the board members anyway.

Don't care, I use Librewolf.

>>106000111
They're actively developing it, if you think otherwise you can go ahead and use palememe lol. And again, people are constantly complaining about firefox performance/memory usage/etc. How do expect them to remedy that if not further development?

>>106000153
okay buddy :) whatever you say, they're definitely spending their money on their web browser for displaying web pages and not doing retarded spyware/adware like Pocket

>>106000160
You don't "spend money" on adware/spyware. That shit makes money. Otherwise you just wouldn't bother and pocket the difference. Accept that you are simply retarded.

>>105999025
Mozilla could be containment zone for those types. Maybe it's better if they don't lose google funding and stay where they are, otherwise they'll have to use their experience to help with the development of other open source projects, probably Debian or something similar.

>>105998997 (OP)
>>105999121
>Gone will be the days of indie browsers that can block telemetry.
>If Firefox goes, Safari will be the only major independent browser left
You are wrong. Ladybird is coming.

>>105998997 (OP)
There is nothing more pitiful than Firefox users.
The entire chromium codebase is there for you to review, change or otherwise get rid of telemetry and undesired code.
Yet you cling to an objectively worse engine even as they tear out everything just so you can feel like your sticking it to muh Jewgle when its LITERALLY controlled opposition. Even the money Google gives them doesn't even go to browser development.

>>106000271
>Ladybird is coming.

They aren't planning to release a stable version for the general public until 2028. That's a while away in technology time.

>>106000160
Pocket got mozilla out of pocket.

Really stupid, the community expressed resentment from the beginning and they purchased it, made it a default.

>>106000342
And Mozilla probably won't fall until 2027 at the earliest. One year won't be enough of a drought, I think. It'll be worthwhile by that point, perfect timing for a discontented userbase to switch to Ladybird. But that will have to mean their first stable release will have to be good enough to satiate everyone.

>>106000292
>The entire chromium codebase is there for you to review, change or otherwise get rid of telemetry and undesired code.

Can you put JPEG XL support back in?

>>105999308
They can't do the hard work; they are like 1–2-man volunteer operations for the most part. If Firefox dies, they die (as soon as many websites stop working properly in the last available version of Firefox)
>>106000271
>In 2018, I created the SerenityOS project after completing a drug rehab program
Yeah I don't have too much faith in this

>>105998997 (OP)
mozilla can't die soon enough, only this will cause FF to become a proper foss project again without all the faggot bullshit

>>105999121
ai is getting better, why can't a small team of internet dudes make a new one

>>106000793
It will make it even more fag and troon infested, just like every other foss project. it's already hinted at in the OP image: "rebrand and refocus on political activism". There are two ways to earn money on a software project: directly monetize your userbase, or get troons to donate so they can troon out your browser. As mozilla becomes less able to do the former, they will do the latter more and more. Even if mozilla itself dies, anything that replaces it is bound by the same principle

>>106000934
no, mozilla has been a parasite on FF for all this time, ppl are donating to them thinking it helps ff development, it all goes into tranny bs like 'wahmen in coding', they are actively hurting ff development as they are googol plants, mozilla needs to die so normal foss can take over, there will be forks, the one with best ideas about privacy (no more ethical ads/surveys etc bs) will become the most popular and will get the donations, currently mozilla cucks are in the way as planned by googol, fuck mozilla, every mozilla employee deserves to be stoned, go fucking beg for donations for your activism separately from ff and see how that goes

>>106000271
I'm contributing code to Ladybird :)

>>106001027
mozilla funding has historically been 90% google cash. They leaned into the troon stuff recently specifically because it would let them wean off the google teat. This is how they managed to get down to only 80% google funded. Nobody will fucking donate to just "please fund browser dev". It has to have strings attached, and usually straight up retarded strings.

why do poos hate mozilla? i do not really get it
if it has like less than 5% of market share
why do YOU care so fucking much about it?
what makes YOU so fucking mad about non chromium trash that YOU use

>>106001199
it's exactly opposite, there are thousands of people willing to fund browser development, but the only thing you can donate to is fucking troon causes thanks to mozilla keeping the bs structure alive to keep itself alive, FF doesn't need mozilla to live, it's the exact opposite, mozilla needs ff to live, especially once the googol money dries up, people are fucking tired of funding bluehair causes, fuck your activism, I want a fucking non-google owned browser, go fucking beg antifa for donations for your troon bullshit

>>105998997 (OP)
Firefox needs to become community project. And Google should stop forcing their stupid shit as standard. The standards should be frozen and browsers developers shouldn't need to chase that shit.

>>106000292
I use Firefox and I see no performance issues. This is clearly FUD.
>no autoconfig
>no userChrome
>manifest 3
That disqualifies Chromium browsers for me

>>105999025
The compensation paid to the CEO of Mozilla has increased about 250% over the last 5 years and is now at 7 million

Yeah, imagine that if it was properly open sourced/open funded, I'm sure people would vote with their wallet to fire security team and empower the wahmen CEO with a raise
https://www.securityweek.com/mozilla-cybersecurity-staff-hit-layoffs/
Who the fuck needs security in a browser, spend more on vaginas

>>105999085
>>105999308
Librewolf dies if Firefox dies. They don't have the manpower to maintain and develop the project.
Ladybird is a totally different browser project, so their code and configuration is just as applicable to the Firefox code base (and in future will be even less, due to adopting Swift) as Chromium's. That is, hardly at all, apart from being a reference implementation of web standards.

>>105998997 (OP)
So am I right in this train of thought?
Since Google is propping up Mozilla in an attempt to prevent antitrust, that the theory is that Firefox will lose market share, thus thrusting Chrome into a true monopoly, which gives the DOJ an actual reason to separate them from Google.

All the same, Chrome would still have a monopoly over browsers, so what's the logic past that?

>>105998997 (OP)
Why not tie CEO compensation to market share of the browser so the rainbow cunts fuck off? Spend all the cuts on devs, win win

>>105999020
Send it to https://ladybird.org/

whenever i see a mozilla developer commenting somewhere (eg hackernews), i make sure to let them know they're incompetent and every change they have made in the last decade has cost them users. i think we all should do that.

>>105999466
lol
lmao
u know any time they have to cut costs
browser dev will be the absolute first thing to go
they will literally sacrifice their entire purpose for existing in order to save their gay social "justice" faggotry

>>106000292
I use Firefox
I hate it
But
I refuse to be an accessory to the Chrome monopoly

this really ruined my dilating session

>>106002657
>send your money to a bunch of iToddlers creating a new browser engine in swift

>>106002410
Chrome as an independent entity could receive offers from other search engines for default settings, mozilla already gets half a billion from Google for that privilege, we can only imagine how much it is worth on a browser with serious marketshare.

>>105999379
This.
KHTML won. Gecko lost. Other ad hoc engines lost. We need to make a free community KHTML browser to compete with Chrome. Sites will always aim at compatibility with at least Chrome and Appel, so no matter how much they screw the standards to fuck up newcomer engines, KHTML as their intersection should remain always safe and unbroken. Then it's just a matter of making the plugins and extensions engine and stuff.

>>105999014
What’s an Elink?

>>106002711
Checked, doing Lord's work, son. Thanks.

>>105998997 (OP)
>Mozilla dying
>DEI dying
>Over 50% failure rate for transistors

I think the world is healing anons.

>>106003115
Oh and Gnome too. Footfags get the rope. KDE master race.

>>105998997 (OP)
antitrust against google actively ends up helping them be a monopoly on browsers
lmao

>>105998997 (OP)
how much did the ad cost, Lunduke?

>>105998997 (OP)
>We May Be In The Final Two More Weeks of Mozilla

>>105998997 (OP)
fuck mozilla, I bet they also sell all the telemetry to google

>>105998997 (OP)
Why would I give money to mozilla so it can go to their ceo making millions instead of investing it back into its engineers?

>>106001295
Because it's not ran by their king SUNDR PICHAI

>>105999308
>no you can't use open source code in your open source project
die in a fire

>>105998997 (OP)
Mozilla will make a new search engine deal and continue largely as they did before. Without a bid from google it will be for a lower sum - potentially a much lower sum - but it will probably still make up the majority of their revenue. Mozilla with half the funding will look mostly the same as mozilla today - an antiquated browser engine, a decaying userbase, futile attempts to push social justice to stay relevant - only somewhat moreso. They will continue on for a few more years until they finally can no longer keep up with web standard development and get taken out behind the shed. Exactly as they would have been otherwise.

>>106002990
King Kling (aka /ourguy/) actually knows his shit and gets things done. Your alternative is the rainbow death cult. Choose wisely.

>>106003156
The DoJ is also pushing to force Google to sell off Chrome as part of the anti-trust action; so Google might not have a browsers once this stuff is done.

the world will be a better place with mozilla gone

>>106005596
Would't whoever buy it just end up being a shell company controlled by Google in the end? How does "forcing to sell" even work in practice?

>>106005617
Separate company all together. Hell maybe Apple buys it

>>105998997 (OP)
They want to deal with the google monopoly by... killing one of their primary competitors?
What?

>>105998997 (OP)
The moment Firefox got rid of TAB GROUPS in the GUI as a feature is when Firefox died.

>>106000931
It's actually pretty easy to build browsers from scratch without AI. I've done it twice.

What's hard is:
1) Making most people's insane hacked together sites work reliably in it
2) supporting it for decades

>>106005970
Apple having Chromium + Safari would be a hueg monopoly. But if it was someone else, how would they stop Google from still running the show? I don't mean an obvious registered shell company controlled by Google as the only shareholder, I meant under the table shady deals but in the end the same actors keep controlling it and pushing the same shit we hate. What stops that?

I asked how it works in practice thinking about past similar stuff, how did that go? I don't know much about it, honestly asking you guys.

>>106006003
How was your standards coverage? How many standards are even there?

>>106006006
>I meant under the table shady deals but in the end the same actors keep controlling it and pushing the same shit we hate. What stops that?
nothing but the law stops that. there's loads of potential buyers interested, though so I was just shooting out apple as a joke. samsung could be the buyer for all we know or some chinese company like bytedance or some shit.

>>106006003
I wonder how hard would be to maintain a browser that refuses to implement overkill shit like WebUSB and Midi support and only allows a strict subset of Javascript.

>>106006027
>under the table
>law stops that
No, I meant specifically breaking the law. Chrome is spyware for a US based company with heavy gov deals. It's an intelligence tool for the gov (or the shadow gov). I don't think they'd sell it to the chinese, they'd sell it to another front to take the blame when shit keeps getting shittier. But ultimately, "the law" wouldn't even be on our side here, and if it was, it would be promptly ignored.

>>106006030
>Midi support
I wanted to make an audio spectrum tool and asked AI about libraries to base it on, and it just spat out a tiny javascript thing that leverages the browser's native APIs. I was like WTF, why do I have a full synthesizer here when I just needed a browser to show text and pics?

>>106006051
In your scenario there is nothing you can do so why worry about it?

Maybe Firefox should be donated to a non-profit, like the Mozilla Foundation.

>>106006071
Yeah, I'm not worried, I'm honestly just asking how these kind of stuff usually go? Because even outside my scenario, I don't understand how this is supposed to go. The judge orders you to sell? What if no one wants to buy? What if no one wants to pay what I think it is worth? The gov forces me to sell it for short? The gov literally takes my stuff and gives me some pocket change it deems enough and call it justice? I literally don't understand a court ordering a sale. Has it happened before? How did it go?

>>105999085
Good riddence, just use Orion.

google needs to be split ASAP

>>105998997 (OP)
we need ladybird and servo

>>105999063
and this is why it's wrong for an entire operating system, browser engine platform, video entertainment platform and even world wide web standards to be controlled by a single advertisement backed corporation. google has been moving mountains and earth to enforce them to the point of nerfing adblockers BY CHANGING THE FUCKING BROWSER ENGINE ARCHITECTURE.

>>106006094
>I'm honestly just asking how these kind of stuff usually go?
It's not normal or common for one so you're not going to get a concrete answer. We just don't know what the impact will be or even how Google will have to be split up. AT&T was the last monopoly the government dealt with and that was in 1982.

>>106006152
Huh, thanks. I though it wasn't common everyday occurence, but I imagined there were more than once every 50 years and I was just unaware of them. Thanks.

>AT&T
How did that go? Qrd?

>>106002990
even apploo is right two times a day, after all they made LLVM and CUPS even if they've also pioneered all the other anti-user shit

>>105999085
that sucks, i'm fond of zen myself. it unfucks so many of mozilla's pozzed shit and makes it so much more comfortable on the side. we're in the middle of a big shift

>>106005617
It's the same thing that happened to AT&T back then, even the smaller split companies SHOULD (keyword should) compete against Google. It should be a completely separate company with its own goals and processes not just a puppet controlled by the same people.

>>106002711
thank you for your service, fuck pozzilla including their devs. the browser engine is so behind on many important aspects and the android even after 3 years STILL doesn't have MD3 support.

Why do they need to keep developing a web browser for years and years? It already works. It browses the web. It's complete.

>>105998997 (OP)
I'll donate if they shut down the Mozilla foundation entirely and only work on firefox.

>>106006236
I thought so, until some years ago when I found a 5 year old obongo live cd and tried to use it to at least download a good distro. It couldn't even connect to the internet beause of some "security" shitty change that the old browser didn't have.

Go woke, go broke.

>>105998997 (OP)
>Rebrand (and re-focus) on political activism
So they're already dead

>>105999099
vulnerable

>>106006169
>How did that go? Qrd?
The divestiture of AT&T and its consequences has been a disaster for the human race.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=K32Oh6KkKBY

>>105998997 (OP)
Fuck those faggots. Mozilla needs to die. Just fork Firefox and remove any code that phones home to tr00nville.

>>106006236
Google keeps changing every single web technology all the time.

>>106009258
Google does it on purpose to stifle competition

>>105998997 (OP)
You reap what you sow, mozillafags.
Brendan Eich won.

>>105998997 (OP)
theyve been squandering that money anyway, like 1% of their funding is used for developing firefox

>>106011446
As does any other company that wastes time virtue signaling diversity.