>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high-end: consider 2x48GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB, 5060Ti 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: RTX 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>105940279

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>105993323

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super specs: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.
Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

Starting the thread off right

>>106002779
Meanwhile GeForce getting raped on a game and it's brand new DLC that just came out with raytracing that people are actually playing. UE5 which all you shills are spamming that Njudea is superior in btw.

>>106002918
>UE5

>>106002918
what do those moonrunes around dlss/fsr say

Hello frens, first time pc build here. My objective is a pc that is good for running linux qubes os and do consulting and programming work.

Chat gpt proposed the following
CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700
Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend
RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz
Storage: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe SSD
Power Supply: Corsair RM650x (650W, 80+ Gold)
Case: NZXT H510
Cooling: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition
Ethernet Card: Intel X550-T2 2.5Gb Ethernet Network Adapter

Advice?

>>106003007
>CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7700
>Motherboard: ASRock B550M Steel Legend
>RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 3200MHz
Ryzen 7700 is an AM5 (DDR5) CPU; it's incompatible with an AM4 motherboard and DDR4 memory modules.

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106003030
[posted it again award here]

>>106003023
Aylmao thanks

>>106003109
Give us a budget if you need some help, and whether you want a DDR4 or DDR5 PC.

>>106003138
Budget under 1500 euros excluding VAT.

Not sure about ddr4 or 5. I want a fast powerful pc within the limits of my budget

>>106003109
hope you learned your lesson that LLMs just make shit up all the time

>>106003109
>DDR5
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/vnMd74

I picked that case since you got an NZXT in the previous list.
PSU can be swapped if Seasonic is overpriced in your country.
The CPU cooler is a placeholder. If you expect to run the CPU near max utilization, you might want a liquid cooler to let it run quieter.

There's a slightly cheaper, smaller motherboard.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/product/p7G2FT/msi-pro-b850m-p-wifi-micro-atx-am5-motherboard-pro-b850m-p-wifi

I don't recommend DDR4 because the better Ryzen CPUs don't have an iGPU, you'll have to buy a video card for that.
You can go Intel DDR4, but the powerful ones have reliability concerns, not recommended for first-time PC builders.

Currently running a Ryzen 5 3600 with a 9070 XT and would like to upgrade the CPU, I only play gaymes. A friend could sell me a used 5800X3D at the same price that I could get a 9600x.

Even though my current AM4 PC doesn't have any issues, I would be open to upgrade to AM5 and sell off my AM4 CPU + MOBO + RAM, but... is it worth it? Is a 9600X even better than a 5800X3D in gaming in 1440p 165hz?

I don't have much more budget than that (can't go for a 9700X or 7800X3D...)

>>106003202
Yes and I am relieved to be honest.

>>106003196
At that budget you can afford DDR5.

>>106003310
>I picked that case since you got an NZXT in the previous list.

Are cases just aesthetic choices or is there more to it? Total noob here. I like the aesthetic of fractal

>>106003320
>9600X even better than a 5800X3D in gaming
No, probably find more examples of the x3d doing better if anything.
If you can't get an x3d on am5 just stay on am4 and wait for new sockets (or sit on it for a decade since it's the spiritual successor to the 2500k.)

>>106003320
They're about the same on average but there's high deviation. Some games scale hard off cache while others barely use it. Can't go wrong with either really but the in-socket upgrade is probably easier.

>>106003320
The 5800X3D and 9600X perform about the same in most games.
I'm not sure if it's worth getting a CPU + board + DDR5 memory over the 5800X3D socket upgrade.

>>106003320
It is game dependent. Some games that love the cache will be faster on the 5800x3d and other games the 9600x will be faster. me personally im on a 5900x with my 9070 XT and at 1440p ultra im gpu bottlenecked in all the single player games I play most of the time.

>>106003377
Then buy the newer Fractal cases with Momentum fans, like the Meshify 3..
The case is expensive, but those bundled fans are practically best-in-class (competes against Noctua fans).
The Fractal premium isn't too bad since you're getting $60 worth of high-quality case fans.

>>106002720 (OP)
I love my Gigabyte 5090.

I'm at a quandary with choosing case fans, the last part of my build. I've been stewing over this for a couple days and don't know what to do.

I have a fractal design north case, you can see the full build here: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KH3t2x It's probably gonna run kinda hot and I want to optimize for temperature.

Noctua wrote up a guide for cooling this case here: https://noctua.at/en/best-fan-setup-fractal-design-north
Where they apparently tested a bunch of stuff and found the best result was with having 6 of their 60cfm fans in a configuration like this with 4 intake and 2 exhaust. I see their point about having the top intake, but it seems bizarre to aim for 2 whole fans worth of positive air pressure.
I'm also not going to just throw out the stock case fans and replace them with noctuas, I don't care that much about whatever noise they might make, so I'm keeping them.

I'm trying to decide if I should go with either:
A) 5 fans - similar to what noctua recommended, but only 2 front intakes (the stock 140mms, I'm not going to just throw out the fans that came with the case) instead of 3. Overall 3 intake, 2 exhaust, which results in the positive air pressure of 1 fan.
B) 4 fans - the conventional setup: Two front intakes (the stock 140mms), one rear exhaust, one top rear exhaust. No top front intake. Overall 2 intake, 2 exhausts which results in neutral pressure.
C) 5 fans - similar to (A), but going for really powerful back and top back exhausts like the arctic p12/p14 max, and an average top front intake like the arctic p12 pwm. Overall 3 intake, 2 exhaust, and while kind of wacky, would result in only slightly positive pressure.

I'm not set on the brand of fans yet, I'm just thinking of how I would set up the overall airflow for best temperature. Basically do I want to trust noctua on this top intake thing at the expense of high positive air pressure. I dont know how to do fan curves and want something that'll work without messing with them.

>>106002720 (OP)
What's the best graphics card I can get under $600? Willing to buy used, primarily used for molded minecraft but I want the ability to run modern high demand games.

>>106003464
I'd sell my used 3090 for that.

how comes overclocking gains are more impressive in synthetic than actual real programs?

the difference between 200mhz on my gpu is only 5fps at 4k but that 5fps cost me almost 100w of extra power.

What's the maximum amount of memory that reliably works with AMD? I know 256 GB is sketchy, is 192 GB any better or does it have the same problem?

>>106003541
192gb is the max for consumer chips. for more than 192gb you need threadripper socket.

>$350 used gigabyte windforce 5070
Is this a bad idea?

>>106003452
I have a North mesh with 3 front, 2 side, and 1 top intake, and 1 top, 1 rear, and 1 bottom (PSU) exhaust. I'm quite happy with the temperatures, nothing goes over 70C.

>>106003545
There's AM5 motherboards that qualify 4x64 with Ryzen processors.

>>106003464
Used : 3080- $300-$350ish
New : RTX 5070
Can maybe get a 3090 for around $600, but it's slower than a 5070 and you lose transformer rr and framegen. 12gb vs 24 probably hurts the soul but neither card is doing 4k so whatever. You would need a powersupply that's actually decent to use a 3090, and hope you're not getting a card that's burnt up.
Maybe see if you can expand the budget a bit for a 5070ti
>>106003551
You're getting robbed

>>106003583
>350 bid price
>700 buy now
Fell for it again

>>106003551
I'd happily buy that if it looked real. Sounds like a scam though.

I pulled the trigger on 5070 Ti. It was just 90$ above 9070XT.

>>106003617
I pulled the trigger on 9070 XT. It was just 120$ below the 5070Ti.

best 420mm rad cases?

Is it worth the 60 dollars to go from a 4070 to a 5070?

>>106003702
5070 is like 15-20% faster.

>>106003677
Meshify 3 XL, ProArt PA602

>>106003731
That's a good bit faster.

I don't know whether to go for the Ryzen 7 9700x or the Ryzen 9 7900 (non x) as both are a similar price here. It'll be a mixed use platform, so, daily use, some gaming, use of photoshop, illustrator, maybe some AI use.

>>106003702
Yeah

https://wccftech.com/amd-ends-intel-decades-long-dominance-in-the-server-cpu-market/
Shintel going bankrupt in 5 years. It's over.

>>106003829
>zen5 sucks
Brutal mog

>>106003829
Nobody is buying Nvidia anymore either. 9070xt all sold out. 5080 collecting dust.

What are red flags when buying a used gpu?

If I'm going from an Integrated GPU to a normal one should I use DDU to uninstall the integrated gpu's drivers?

>>106003866
if you want to

If you needed 2 computers, one at your office and 1 at home. Would you get 2 PC or 1 laptop? Im a bit torn. I hate laptops and their shit battery and over heating issues. On the other hand is it crazy to get 2 PCs ? How do people usually do it?

>>106003864
High temps

>>106003637
Millennium girls would all use Nvidia.

>>106003877
Just get a PC and a laptop like a normal person.

>>106003877
Remote desktop through a 100USD Optiplex to your 5090 at home.

>>106003896
Why should I be normal though? But yeah maybe

>>106003829
damn
i thought server market was more conservative than desktop
steam survey sits at 60/40 for intel/amd

>>106003909
>Remote desktop
Interesting idea. Would it be an opsec issue though? I want to use qubes OS for paranoia and the joy of exercising it

>>106003829
Buy intel stock now. 10x in the next 5 years. You were warned. Screenshot this post
>>106003859
>Radeon-tards and their delusion.
Nvida has actually competent leadership, their market share can literally only go up. UNIGGER or whatever the next amd gen is will be their last consumer gpus. Screenshot this part too.

>>106003920
servers lean into custom built instead of oem. amd does better for custom whereas intel is the oem choice.

>>106003974
>t.
The intard nvidiot cope just gets more and more delicious. The latter half of the 2020's is when AMD will finally achieve domination in both the cpu and gpu markets after decades of fighting. Screenshot this post faggot.

>>106003007
Get this instead;
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Frozen Notte ARGB 72.37 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($55.39 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B850 Pro-A ATX AM5 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Force Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($96.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($105.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire PULSE Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB Video Card ($379.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec C5 ARGB ATX Mid Tower Case ($129.97 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($100.09 @ Amazon)
Total: $1213.40

>>106004093
Scratch the cooler on this and get a peerless assassin 120

>>106003829
i wonder if theres a graph like this but for notebooks, another market that was (((dominated)) by them too
>>106003920
intelaviv was king whem oems (moneyhatted of course) were a majority
i thought intel was a forever ever company but i guess zen 2-3 era was a antisemitic nuke

>>106003859
5080s are collecting dust because there's no reason to buy one over the 5070 Ti. If AMD made a 9080 XT 16GB, no one would buy that, either.

>>106003829
Wtf is with that exponential gain in market share in q4 2024
Did they change how they count sales from that quarter?

How do I choose from this list?

Any recommendations?

>>106004194
Are you a pedophile?

>>106004201
No, I simply enjoy indulging in paranoia and conspiracy theories.

>>106003540
Synthetics are compute bound and scale with clockspeed more linearly while real games are often memory bandwidth or latency bound and benefit more from ram or vram overclocking

>>106004219
You're lying but the answer is actually a laptop you bought for cash off of facebook from an account not tied to you in real life. You then connect to the internet from the parking lot of a walmart or McDonalds.

>>106004228
VRAM overclocking, maybe. Nothing scales with RAM speed except meme games like Factorio.

>>106004243
But as I am not lying and will use the laptop for legitimate purposes what is the answer from that list?

>>106004267
None of them. I mean I don't know where this list is or what any of these companies on it are are but the entire thing glows.
The absolute best case scenerio is the standard config of an hp laptop that a zillion people also own connecting to public wifi

>>106002778
>I just want an affordable GPU that runs my games natively
Native with TAA looks far, far worse than with upscaling while also running worse

>>106003887
Most of the BA cast would be too dumb to use a computer, they would exclusively use iphones.

>>106004313
thats what he said

>>106004247
could you post some numbers to back up your claims? what's that? you never tested it?
opinion discarded

>>106004066
yes sars AMD (and android too) is a very good value! Nvidia and Apple are too expensive sars!

>>106003974
NOVA LAKE WILL BE GOOD NOVA LAKE WILL BE GOOD NOVA LAKE WILL REDEEM

It was a dead MB after all. Thanks for the help anons, it works like a charm now.

rate my new build

you guys are delusional if you think the mossad cia combine will ever let intel aviv fail

>>106004470
>actual applejeet on /pcbg/
gross

>>106004647
those are mulattos thougheverbeit

>>106004647
It's the same thing with ngreedia gpus. Poor people and third worlders are dumb enough to believe the marketing and also think its a status symbol. There is nothing impressive about owning a 3000 dollar RTX 5090, you can save up that money working a minimum wage job. Smart consumers buy the best value products.

>>106004664
it's true for any subhumans obsessed with status symbols desu

>>106004697
>>106004647
Jeet here. I use arch btw.

>>106002720 (OP)
>>106002708
>>106002804
>>106002826
I see a lot of sentimental coping and not a lot of realistic pragmatism. The fact that despite modern games requirements, NVIDIA slashed VRAM on all of their 5000 models worth anything, is clear indication what they think of their gaming division:

That it is secondary to their AI GPU division, and if they need to slash VRAM to put price a gap between it and AI GPUs, THEY WILL FUCKING DO IT.

Next time argue with a bit more logic and a bit less emotion: if your breadwinner industry demands you to fuck over other industries, and you do it - your priorities are clear.

>AMDindia jeets sitting here telling themselves that AMD is epically destroying NVIDIA in sales, while in reality GeForce outsells AMD by a factor of over 10-1

>>106004802
I wish my 5090 came with only 24gb of vram and cost $800 less. I'm never going to use all 32gb.

>>106004802
Yeah okay :)

>>106004833
>one scientific paper and one POC demo
This isn't an own you think it is, not yet.

AMDesperation is off the charts, did they lose another 2% market share?

Radeon bros stay strong. Evil super corporations like Nvidia always lose in the end. Proof? Read literally any comic book or teen adventure novel

>>106004856
I'm about to buy Intel + Nvidia. But I have to buy previous gen card used because of green faggots pricing and VRAM decisions.

>>106004833
I'll wait until this is implemented in games in 10 years

>>106004885
Just like raytracing, framegen, dlss, and physx.

>>106004856
why in the fuck would AMD give a shit about losing dgpu market share when they want people buying consoles

why does this thread cause so much drama

I still remember that guy who made a video licking his gpu running furmark to shut someone up about how it would 100% electrocute him

>>106004565
They're too busy to defend intelaviv with Iran penetrating their iron dome

gigabyte advertises 9000+ mhz on one of their high end ddr5 mobos

how would one achieve this?
ram stick specific? xmp expo overclocking or what kind of buzzword bullshit is required?

Anyone here have first hand experience with buying AMD CPUs off AliExpress?

>>106005025
why would you do that to yourself is the better question

>>106004976
CUDIMM intelaviv jewish tricks

>>106005030
Retailers in my country mark electronics up an extra 30% because we are far away or some crap like that

>>106005057
pay the extra 30% over gambling with chinamen

>>106004976
>how would one achieve this
Timings so loose it actually runs slower than a 6000mhz kit. It's just advertising.

>>106003320
>I don't have much more budget than that
make the jump
AM5 just offers you more options
not being funny the 3600 to 5800X3D jump isn't the same as it was a couple years ago, that was the time to make that upgrade

>>106003464
reminder the answer to this is supposed to be the 9070XT but it's not because AMD lied

>>106003551
incredible deal so 100% a scam

>>106005095
name one honest corporation

>>106004976
cherry picked motherboard and cherry picked cpu to hit the highest clock on memory with the loosest timings

>>106005109
NVIDIA GeForce

>>106004522
ktim unironically

>>106005115
im gonna fucking strangle you

>>106005057
You buy a 9800x3d from aliexpress and it's gonna be an FX 8350 or just an empty slab of aluminum

>>106004556
So that's the company this company is ripping off I KNEW it reminded me of something

>>106005109
Jackie Chan

>>106005038
>>106005067
so which ram would be best for w880 chipset?
5600 ecc rdimm?

im guessing c(u)dimm doesnt have ecc

my use case is compiling software and small ai training

just found out minileds have no black frame insertion

>>106004093
I ended up ordering a laptop first and will make a pc later

Dropped my laptop and its pretty much fucked

Display size: 14 inches
Display resolution: Full HD+ (1920 × 1200)
Processor and graphics card: Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H Intel® Arc™ iGPU
Memory slot 1: 32 GB DDR5 5600 MHz
Memory slot 2: 32 GB DDR5 5600 MHz
M.2 SSD 1: PX700 4 TB SSD @ 7,400/6,500 MB/s (read/write)
M.2 SSD 2: No second M.2 solid-state drive (SSD)
Disable Intel Management Engine (ME): Yes – disables the Intel Management Engine (HAP)
Display Language: English
Disk Encryption: Enable disk encryption for my storage drive(s)
WiFi and Bluetooth: Intel AX-210/211 (non-vPro) WiFi module 2.4 Gbps, 802.11AX/WiFi 6E + Bluetooth 5.3
Keyboard Layout: United States International Keyboard with International QWERTY Keys
ANSI / ISO: ANSI
SUPER Key: Qubes OS Key
Keyboard Illumination: Keyboard Illumination (white only)
Camera and Microphone: Camera and Microphone Module Permanently Removed

>>106004556
>vga
>kingston
>intel
blast from the past

>>106003896
I just ordered this laptop (current one seems fucked after dropping it and I dont feel like trying to find someone to repair it)

Display size: 14 inches
Display resolution: Full HD+ (1920 × 1200)
Processor and graphics card: Intel® Core™ Ultra 7 processor 155H Intel® Arc™ iGPU
Memory slot 1: 32 GB DDR5 5600 MHz
Memory slot 2: 32 GB DDR5 5600 MHz
M.2 SSD 1: PX700 4 TB SSD @ 7,400/6,500 MB/s (read/write)
M.2 SSD 2: No second M.2 solid-state drive (SSD)
Disable Intel Management Engine (ME): Yes – disables the Intel Management Engine (HAP)
Display Language: English
Disk Encryption: Enable disk encryption for my storage drive(s)
WiFi and Bluetooth: Intel AX-210/211 (non-vPro) WiFi module 2.4 Gbps, 802.11AX/WiFi 6E + Bluetooth 5.3
Keyboard Layout: United States International Keyboard with International QWERTY Keys
ANSI / ISO: ANSI
Keyboard Illumination: Keyboard Illumination (white only)
Camera and Microphone: Camera and Microphone Module Permanently Removed

>>106005159
There are udimm ECC sticks but they're harder to find
I don't think consumer CPUs support rdimm at all

>>106002720 (OP)

>>106003677
You don't need a 420mm rad.

So why can't they make a synthetic benchmark which emulates the behavior of a game?

Will 5080's be 1000$ or lower by the end of the year?

>>106005352
every game is different

It seems no matter how much memory I have, discord just crashes whenever I have Unity, Unreal, or a game running. Whether the app or in the browser tab. Chrome would literally say "Out of memory" despite not all my memory being used. I think it's at the point I'd need a separate computer or laptop to use Discord freely. Wow.

>>106005392
let me guess, AM5?

>>106005402
Ryzen 5. Dont tell me its an AMD cpu problem.

>>106005294
the w880 chipset supports ecc with intel ultra cpus

Where do I buy a 9070 XT at or close to MSRP?
Best Buy and Newegg seem to have semi consistent stock but I don't know about other stores.

>>106005392
deserved for being a chrome and discord faggot

>>106005407
>he boughted ayymd

>>106005440
I know. And that doesn't mean the cpus can boot with rdimm at all.

>>106004697
A minimum wage job can't even pay rent let alone save 3000 dollars.

>>106004697
This is some insane mental gymnastics I never thought was possible

>>106005497
you must understand he's still buck broken over the performance of the 4090

>>106004905
So in other words just wait 3 more generations before it is good got it

>>106005520
twice as fast as a 3080 but 3x the price
not really impressive

>>106005537
why has AMD been utterly incapable of matching it's awesome performance?

>>106005537
>conveniently ignores the crypto faggotry
2x performance at the same real world price you mean

>>106005550
Because they know paypigs will go for the company with a higher marketing budget

>>106005563
AMDs inferior hardware architecture is simply incapable of matching it

>>106005561
3080 was 1/3 the price of a 4090 when the 3080 was released, and also when the 4090 was released

>>106005570
1600/700 = 2.286
Constantly repeating lies doesn't make it into truth anon

>>106005238
It's like he dug my computer from 2012 out of the garbage

>>106005407
Should got ryzen 7 bro, a 2700 never did this

>>106005451
I got mine at microcenter for $630, just ask what they have open box and pick the best one

>>106005520
>>106005550
>>106005569
Overclocked 9070 XT with only 64 compute units can beat 96 compute unit 7900 XTX. An RDNA 4 chip with the same specs as the 7900 XTX running even higher clocks than pic related would definitely match or even beat a 4090. IDK why AMD didn't do it since with FSR 4 and the improved RT of RDNA 4 it would have been an attractive alternative at around a 1000 dollar price point.

Is there anything the 9070xt can't do? I think it might be the best bang for your buck card ever made.

>>106005392
turn off hardware acceleration

>>106005658
one game isn't representative, additionally power scaling and architecture scaling is not linear

>>106005675
anything that isn't gaming

>>106005681
doesnt work

AMD Ryzen 7 12800x4d 4.4Ghz 16-Core Processor
Arctic Liquid Freezer V 420 (140x3) with RAM fan
MSI X1270 Tomahawk ATX AM6 Motherboard
G.Skill FlatRazor CAMM2 24x12 GB DDR6-15000 CL40
Samsung 9120 Pro M.2-2280 PCIe 6.0x4 4TB SSD
MSI Suprim GeForce 7095 AI-Extreme Twin-Board 64GB 5-slot Graphics Card
Lian Li O13 Dynamic XXL Holographic Mesh Display
Corsair HX2000i ATX4.0 compliant 30-pin XHPWR Power Supply

Total price:

https://www.techpowerup.com/339178/ddr6-memory-arrives-in-2027-with-8-800-17-600-mt-s-speeds
>DDR6 standard now coming soon. Although enthusiasts won't find these modules available until 2027, key players, Samsung, Micron, and SK Hynix, have already moved past prototype stages and embarked on rigorous validation cycles. In partnership with Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA, they're targeting an initial throughput of 8,800 MT/s, with plans to scale up to a staggering 17,600 MT/s, almost doubling the ceiling of today's DDR5. This increase is driven by DDR6's 4×24-bit sub-channel architecture, which requires entirely new approaches to signal integrity. Additionally, it also differs from DDR5's current 2x32-bit sub-channel structure. To overcome the physical limits that DIMM form factors faced at higher speeds, the industry is betting on CAMM2. Early indication is that server platforms will lead the change, with high‑end notebooks following suit once manufacturing ramps up. Behind the scenes, timelines are being mapped: platform validation is slated for 2026, server deployments in 2027

So what do you reckon the new sweetspot kit specs for RAM price/performance will settle at for DDR6?
I remember we went from:
2x4GB DDR3-1600 CL9 2x8GB DDR4-3200 CL16 2x16GB DDR5-6000 CL30
I'm guessing if trends continue, it'll look something like 2x32GB DDR6-12000 CL60 ?
Is DDR6 finally going to make Full ECC standard (I remember it was a requirement in DDR5, but consumer kits got a semi-fake implementation)?
Doesn't look like AMD or Intel plan on transitioning to quad-channel platforms for the DIY consumer market anytime soon.
I still don't see CAMM2 or CUDIMM gaining traction in the desktop market either.

>>106005767
Total price will be 500$ because china will have taken over the west by then and fixed the economy.

>>106005801
>China (Jewish banker) will have taken over the west (Jewish banker) and fixed the economy
I don't think so

>>106005779
In the example they showed the monolithic module had 12 chips on it. So 12x something.

Talk me out of this. That's about 780 USD, currently have an LG 27GQ83B-B powered by a 4070 super. None of the OP recommended monitor list is viable here.

>>106005843
32:9 is poorly supported and awkward to work with
21:9 is a much better aspect to go for

Should be getting the KTC M27T6 soon after recs here, gon be interesting

>>106005779
what's the point
are servers pushing ddr5 already?

>>106005880
Zen7 will double the core count of zen5 and needs the bandwidth to serve all the cores

>>106005866
https://old.reddit.com/r/Monitors/comments/1m1fws8/new_review_on_ktc_m27t6_1440p_hdr1400_miniled/
Looks good, you're biggest hurdles during trial period for returns will be if you are sensitive chroma/gamma shift due to VA's narrow viewing angles and to a lesser extent inverse ghosting/black smearing (fire up UFOTest https://www.testufo.com/ghosting and see if the black shadow trails behind the spaceship bug you too much like in the far right column in picrel). I one have said save up for an entry level 1440p OLED, but:
https://www.amazon.com/KTC-Monitor-HDMI2-0-Adjustable-M27T6/dp/B0F7Q22V3W
$50 Off Coupon + Promo Code ZRHCJFLD brings it to $240 which is really good.

Should they really focus on improving IPS? Does VA as a technology have room to improve to match or surpass IPS one day? It has the brightness accuracy advantage so the problem to solve is its pixel response times.

>>106006022
>Should they really focus on improving IPS? Does VA as a technology have room to improve to match or surpass IPS one day? It has the brightness accuracy advantage so the problem to solve is its pixel response times.
There's some newer montiors based on IPS Black variants which doubles the native contrast of vanilla IPS panels to ~2000:1
https://www.displayninja.com/ips-black-monitor-list/
I agree that IPS has more potential since they can just throw enough MiniILEDs at it to solve bad contrast/blooming, but the poor near-black motion performance, mediocre colors, and narrow viewing angles of VA are incorrigible flaws. Ultimately I think the focus on VA panels is just a cost saving measure for monitor OEMs as they are already cheaper than IPS the issue with IPS is to make them look as good or better than VA you need high local dimming zone-counts which adds to the BOM and eventually start to encroach on entry-level OLED territory where they have no chance of competing.

>>106006078
>eventually start to encroach on entry-level OLED territory where they have no chance of competing.
Depends on the markets. Asia has a lot kf nice Miniled options. Afaik in NA barely any launched here and there few that did were jacked up in price by vendors even if it was an SKU sold in Asia.

What would be a better deal, a 23 dollar deepcool ak620 clone (CPS RZ620), or a 60 dollar 360mm IDcooling aio? I'm running a 9600x right now but I want to upgrade to a high end zen 6 chip next year.

>>106005991
$240 is about what I paid, just in £'s instead because Bong. It seemed cheap for what it is and I just wanted to know whether minileds are worth the hype.
I was a bit unhappy with the Asus ROG IPS I got, but then after I ordered the KTC I found myself increasingly liking the Asus anyway.

I used a $199 voucher to get the KTC even cheaper too, only problem is if I don't like it I don't get the voucher back on a return ;_;
Can't sell it either because no one's heard of KTC

>>106006628
>want to upgrade
The AIO then, duh.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-nova-lake-core-ultra-300k-with-8p-16e-cores-to-feature-big-l3-cache-aims-to-rival-amd-3d-v-cache

INTEL WON

THANK YOU INTEL

AYYMDEAD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT, UNABLE TO COMPETE WITH 52 CORES

>>106006874
Too little too late

I thought i should buy a 32 inch monitor or tv for my 5070 ti, 9800x3d build and i dont wanna spend a lot of money on it

Heres what im considering
- 1440p IPS 165hz gigabyte GS32Q for $200
- 4k VA 60hz samsung UJ59 for $200
- Just keep using my 31.5in 720p 60hz toshiba 32AV502U generic LCD tv from like 2010 which honestly, looks totally fine aside from the resolution, and the fact that it breaks down all the time

Heres some stuff about me
- 32 inches is mandatory since i sit a few feet away and my eyesight is pretty bad. Any smaller is too small
- I only play games at 60 fps so i dont think i care about hz
- Im leaning towards the gigabyte because a) im worried that the samsung's VA panel will look like total smeary shit b) the samsung has pretty bad reviews mentioning a variety of flaws c) as i said, my eyesight is bad, so i dont know if id even make out the details from 4k, and i dont know if i even care that much about 4k TBQH
- however, everyone always says "32 4k, 27 1440p" so maybe i'll regret it. im just thinking about how its gonna hold up in the future
- I am not going to spend much more than this. Maybe up to like 250 but id rather not unless it'll get me a 4k ips

Any thoughts?

>>106006946
If you're hesitating over $250 vs. $200 you probably don't have the budget to drive 4k on the PC side. $200 looks to be a good price for that Gigabyte so I say go for it.

>>106005335
Even if I want it to be quiet?

>>106005843
not enough vertical space, have you seen it irl? it's a reason they call them ultrashorts
the LG 45" 5k2k would be better until they make a qdoled version one
but it's also out of your budget

>>106006078
>Ultimately I think the focus on VA panels is just a cost saving measure for monitor OEMs
this has been evident since VA has replaced TN panels in the absolute poorfag department since long

>>106006946
9800x3d 60hz gaming is crazy

>>106003452
overthinking award goes to this poster
you know that all this positive negative pressure is a big meme? just do air flow

>>106007048
How much quieter do you imagine it will be?

>>106006874
NOVA LAKE WILL BE GOOD NOVA LAKE WILL BE GOOD NOVA LAKE WILL REDEEM

>>106007292
Daily reminder that disabling the P-cores leads to higher FPS

>>106003452
I just have 3x120 intake on the front side, 3x120 intake on the bottom, 3x120 exaust on the top, and 1x140 on the back exaust. But I could do 10x140 if I wanted to ball out.

>>106007048
If you want it to be quiet you should buy a be quiet! case, fans, and air cooler.

>>106006628
ABT
Always Buy Thermalrite

>>106006874
>quintupling down on estrogen cores

>>106007359
We have 144mb of l3 now though please come back please haha gamers rise up remember guys we'll keep this socket for more than a year we pinky promise remeber the good times guys haha remember the orange box

is it worth it going from the bottom tier 5090 model to the top tier? considering a price bump of 1000€ just for a better cooler?
that's the price difference going from a 3x ventus to a astral oc for example
the cooling can't be that bad can it to justify adding on 50% more

>>106007408
Not really. Maybe worth going from [cheapest] to a midrange model like a TUF. Depends how much you value noise. Then again concepts like "value" went out the window when you set your sights on a '90 card.

If Intel starts beating AMD I’ll buy Intel, simple as

>>106007483
3x ventus to TUF is +300 €
and is that even worth it?
I guess you get thermal pads and +1 hdmi connector

the K49BL any good for 7-8 liter PC case?
my SG13 is feeling a bit long in the tooth

>>106007563
TUF was just an example (being +$150 on the US PCPP). In Germany, again for example, the MSI Gaming Trio is +€50 (+€200 vs. the absolute cheapest). I'm not familiar with the specifics of these models just giving you general guidelines. Again, if €100, or even €300, is breaking your budget then you cannot afford the card at all.

>>106007338
>brand loyalty
cuck

>>106007602
gaming trio is one of the toppest models though its 2770 unless on sale then it's the same price as tuf almost rn
a 3x ventus is 2115€

>if you can't afford paying more you can't afford it!
law of cheapest AIB, my friend
makes no sense unless there is something severely fucked with a certain model to avoid

>>106007408
>>106007563
I'd generally pay more for better cooling if you're not planning on water cooling or if it's cheaper than doing so, also keep in mind the price difference is just not about the cooler, read reviews and specs, some cards are more expensive because not only do they have better coolers, they have better designs, pcbs, better components and voltage/current management, or come stock with higher speeds.

With that in mind, you have to read/watch comparisons, more fans does not necessarily mean better cooling.

>>106007669
sure if you wanna do some oc and shit, even the shittiest AIB vs the FE should have better temps too
if you just wanna run it stock though
there is no shot you are recouping 50% increased cost in performance though is it

>>106007379
you mean, like the ryzen box? haha

>>106007408
Astral is the only one worth paying more since it has per pin current monitoring

>>106007725
>draws more watt
>sensor goes off constantly
ok then what?
seems like a meme

>I only play games at 60 fps so i dont think i care about hz.
Bro this reminds me of the days when I didn't give a fuck about using a 17/19in CRT, in twenty fucking seventeen, that is until I got my first fHD 21in monitor, you'll never "care" until you actually try that shit for yourself, you will notice the difference, and it will be glorious, as blown away by that 21in monitor, a small upgrade to a 24in better quality monitor made me think how the fuck did I live with that 21in shit panel for so long.

I have a 4k TV and 144hz 2k Samsung monitor that I got on a discount, my advice, don't fucking cheap on the monitor nigger, every time you turn on your PC you'll be staring at it, and it'll last you more than your PC will.

Get a 32in+ high refresh rate 2k monitor or better yet, a high refresh rate 4k one, with good color reproduction and high contrast, even if you have to adjust your build for it, get one stick of ram for now and get another later, smaller storage, whatever you can add more later, again, you won't "care" until you actually try the fucking thing and after that you'll never be able to go back.

>>106007693
That's what I'm saying, if the difference in cost is that much more, and the cards have no difference in quality, might as well buy the cheaper on and slap on a water block and water cool it.

>>106006946
>I only play games at 60 fps so i dont think i care about hz.
Bro this reminds me of the days when I didn't give a fuck about using a 17/19in CRT, in twenty fucking seventeen, that is until I got my first fHD 21in monitor, you'll never "care" until you actually try that shit for yourself, you will notice the difference, and it will be glorious, as blown away by that 21in monitor, a small upgrade to a 24in better quality monitor made me think how the fuck did I live with that 21in shit panel for so long.

I have a 4k TV and 144hz 2k Samsung monitor that I got on a discount, my advice, don't fucking cheap on the monitor nigger, every time you turn on your PC you'll be staring at it, and it'll last you more than your PC will.

Get a 32in+ high refresh rate 2k monitor or better yet, a high refresh rate 4k one, with good color reproduction and high contrast, even if you have to adjust your build for it, get one stick of ram for now and get another later, smaller storage, whatever you can add more later, again, you won't "care" until you actually try the fucking thing and after that you'll never be able to go back.

>>106007731
sounds like user error
its the only one you know for sure is drawing 600w safely

>>106007778
look at any youtuber testing the card when it gets pushed heavily
"600w safely"
no such thing it draws more than that and the sensors are lighting up

guys, what are best 4070 ti super and 4080 brands? I heard that 4080 cooling system is an overkill

>>106007796
I can't find many user reports of this issue so it sounds like a made up problem

>>106007796
The sensors measure the ampere not the watt. The alarm goes off when one pin goes past 9.2A regardless of the wattage.

>>106007993
>so it sounds like a made up problem
watched a yter test the astral oc with the pin notification thing and it was poppin off in games drawing more than 600w

>>106008004
ok

last day to pick up free civ6 on epic

>RTX 5080 drivers still have issues that AMD doesn't have

>>106008125
AMD still has issues that GeForce doesn’t have

>>106008158
I can't think of anything worse than losing all your progress in a project and losing competitive matches all because your Nvidia driver isn't stable and there is no fix for it.

specifically need 8tb sata ssd's that are opal 2.0 compatible (self encrypting), is the samsung 870 qvo my best option?

new 4080 with fixed pcb, is this a good fix for a decent price, is this valid?

>>106008284
Yes

>>106008284
>hardware encryption
glowing meme

>>106008312
what price?

>>106008351
780

>>106008375
also some factory refubrished for 800, my salary is arriving only after 31th, I lost a fucking 4070ti super 16gb because of it

>>106008284
>QVO
ewaste

>>106008375
>780
damn

>>106008344
Good enough to meet our insurance requirements
>>106008324
>>106008494
Bros I don't like these conflicting answers. Why do you call it ewaste? Is there a better drive out there?

>>106008200
getting banned permanently from that competitive game because of a GPU driver “feature”?

>>106008566
...is it nice, anon?

Should I get an OLED? Do you guys have any recommendations? I just love how they look. I only game like 2-3 hours on a day so burn-in shouldn't be a huge risk

>>106005779
>Although enthusiasts won't find these modules available until 2027,
Add at least two years for the real entry point, the first wave of DDR5 kits were mostly 5200 or 5600 MT/s for over $200.
6000MT/s and 6400MT/s cost over $300.
Board prices will also go up, and the first set of DDR6 boards will be rushed out & mediocre.

>>106008612
I thought Valve ended up reverting all the VAC bans that were caused by Anti-Lag

>>106008760
Correct

>>106008745
>Should I get an OLED?
maybe
do you have money
do you want to
>Do you guys have any recommendations?
4k 240hz qdoled meme or 500hz qdoled meme
most likely asus if you wanna avoid annoying firmware and have most settings and features
>I only game like 2-3 hours on a day so burn-in shouldn't be a huge risk
with that low use should last years
although oleds degrade over time even if not used but allegedly at a slower pace than if used so probably minimal amounts

>>106008760
nope and it’s still causing bans as of this week

Damn, I replaced old, reliable and silent chinese D5 pump (bykski) with a german shit (aquacomputer) and its noise is unbearable and rpms are inconsistent.
I thought that german quality is the best. Wtf?

I need a machine for programming. It should have a reasonable level of CPU grunt but no need for a GPU beyond a basic igpu.
On paper these various Chinese "mini pc" Ryzen boxes should do what I need while being cheaper and more compact than anything I could DIY. But I'm finding it hard to trust that they'll be reliable and have good cooling under sustained load.
I've tried to research it and found it very hard to find trustworthy information. Some of the brands have been shilled particularly hard on youtube and reddit.

I was tempted by the asrock deskmini x600, but it's not officially available here in the UK, and apparently it had a bug causing random nvme data loss that was eventually fixed in a bios update. At least they did fix it, but it's hard to trust something with issues like that.

Can anyone recommend a good one?

Which case do you guys recommend?
lancool 217 135€
meshify 3xl 180€
flux pro 210€
torrent 210€
Is it really worth it to pay 200+ for pc case?
Do i go with the cheap one like air 903 max for 80€?
Wanted to go with phanteks g400a but there are comments that the build quality isnt that great.

>>106009018
217 or Meshify 3 XL. You get better fans with the Meshify 3, so you're overpaying by around 15~25€ if you account for fan quality.

>>106008955
For me it’s laptop or desktop. MiniPC runs laptop components like the SO-DIMM and Laptop CPUs. You’re not really getting anything aside from the small form factor. This becomes a discussion between laptop and desktop, might as well go desktop for more performance

>>106008760
>>106008762
Si

>>106008826
Why lie? Also nvidia caused bans
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/nvidia-geforce-546-29-whql-driver-vac-ban.450371/

>>106009052
What about lancool iii or phanteks g500a? Both are 150. Outdated?

>>106009060
>Why lie? Also nvidia caused bans
>https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/nvidia-geforce-546-29-whql-driver-vac-ban.450371/
Please read the content of the link you share. The poster in the image is the creater of MSI Afterburner.
He knows a thing or two about NVIDIA drivers.

Every time, you broadcast how much of a retard you are.

>>106009018
i have meshify 3 xl, it's good

>>106009101
>nvidia drivers have been fishy for weeks
holy shit

>>106009141
Why is it always the Radeon card owners acting like idiots in /pcbg/?

Are there mistakes in this build?
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/list/BMgyNz

>>106009166
nvidiots can't act like idiots because they already are idiots hahahaha gottem

>>106008806
Can I get a good one around 300??

>>106008826
>nope and it’s still causing bans as of this week
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/10/amd-pulls-graphics-driver-after-anti-lag-triggers-counter-strike-2-bans/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NyYE6y0KX0
>Driver was pulled ASAP
>All bans were reversed by valve
>Eventually counter strike 2 got the superior anti lag 2 integrated directly into the game anyway
KYS liar

>>106008955
>>106009058
This, if you're just gonna use the thing for programming, might as well get a used or low power laptop with the extra added benefit or portability, and if need arises, use it with a monitor+kbm when you want to sit at your desk or whatever.

>tfw just upgraded
>the parts i upgraded to are already 5 years old
>b550, 5600 and 6800xt
>it plays literally everything at 1440p
What the fuck? This was unthinkable to me 10-15 years ago, buying parts that were already 5 years old.

>>106009292
Now try monster hunter wilds or the latest AAA crap

>>106009305
Yea i'm sure some of the newer triple A slop won't run well. But even UE games like Talos Principle 2 runs great on this. Hitman WoA and many others too.

>>106009252
>superior anti lag 2 integrated directly into the game anyway
>superior
They achieve the same thing, including Intel's XeLL.
That's why the feature can be injected by mods through the Reflex path.
It's always Radeon tards making a brand war out of a standardized feature set.

>>106009227
>Can I get a good one around 300??
No, the cheapest one starts at $485 new and $411 used:
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-AG276QZD2-Tournament-2560x1440-Compatible/dp/B0D682HF6R
However the quality spectrum between the best and worst OLEDs is extremely narrow, and even the worst OLED is better than the best LCD above or below it in price.

>>106009194
Do you already own the case and CPU cooler? There is a newer version of the case (4000D FRAME).
The Gigabyte PSU should be safe, but I wouldn't buy their PSU due to the way they blamed everyone else for their exploding one.

>>106009292
Same bro, tech made massive leaps in the past couple of years, but for the normal consoomer, diminishing returns all over, and Unless you NEED to play the latest 150 gig unoptimized blurry piece of shit games at 4k 120 fps, mid tier components from the gens are still very viable.

Your setup will last you till you get a newer higher fps/res monitor tho.

>>106009318
>Puzzle Principle 2 runs great
Lole
Lmao even

https://github.com/optiscaler/OptiScaler/discussions/505
>Njudea proven to be purposely gimping radeon performance in games they are involved with
>Just like they did with tessellation in crisis
Now we know why RDNA 4 doesn't perform as well as it should in Indiana Jones and Wukong pathracing but is able to get 60 in other PT games like cyberpunk where the performance isn't being sabotaged. Why doesn't AMD just sue Nvidia already for illegal anti competitive behavior like they did to Intel in the 90's and 2000's they won those cases and they would have a good chance of winning this one.

>>106009502
this also happens for wuthering waves as well. spoofing your gpu as a 4090 unlocks extra graphics options hidden from amd.

>>106009502
No one else has been able to reproduce his claims that was posted on June 6th.
Schizo On™.

>>106009194
Check the PSU compatibility chart, and I generally recommend Seasonic.
Recommend also getting another board, PCIe 5 for a bit of future proofing, generally look at another chipset, and before your decide on the board, read it's reviews carefully and read about how it's m2, PCI and sata slots work, shit boards share lanes, lower PCIe slot's speeds and disable certain ports if the others are in use.
You don't have to get 64 gigs of ram, get a 32 gig kit, you can get more later, spend the extra money on either a better gpu, or a better 9070 xt, look a comparison videos between available cards, choose one that runs cool and quite, XFX merc for example runs quite a few degrees cooler, which will make a difference in the long run and esp if you live in a hotter climate.
Check the GPU clearance carefully before buying the case, recommend +10 cm of clearance, also recommend buying a full tower in general, you'll thank me when you put the thing together especially if you have multiple HDDs.

>>106008901
China is the new Japan
They still make cheap shit but also many of their produced items are close to the best

>>106009502
>9070xt 35-45% faster because things aren't rendered correctly
There is no free lunch in this world

Is a 1650 Super (~$50) a worthwhile upgrade from a 750Ti or should I go for a 1660 Super (~$80) which requires a new psu (can get free) and adapter ($15) for a proprietary motherboard connector?
CPU is i5 4590k

Gonna build a new computer 'real soon now'™ but until then....

So now that it has been a few months, which is better. The 5070ti or 9070XT?

>>106009906
Extremely worthwhile, it's not even up for debate, either will be a significant increase in performance over the 750, the 1660s more so..

>>106009365
No i searched in the website where i should buy all the pieces and there wasn't the newer version.

>>106009547
I'll do my homework

Thanks guys

this might be a dumb question, but if my CPU for example says it's at 45º C but the air (both inside the case and the air coming out) feels cold-ish does that mean it's still 45º C just for the cpu or is that like spread out or something?

>>106010112
the temp sensor in a cpu is on-die and measures the hottest part of the silicon thats just 1 square millimeter of space across or smaller.
the areas of the pc outside the cpu are much cooler than the measured hotspot.

Is it silly to upgrade from a 3600 to a 57/800x3d? I'm aware that it is obviously an improvement but i'm just trying to save a bit of money as I'm still rocking a b450 or should I just hold off and upgrade the mobo (and a different CPU) as well?

>>106010128
thank you bro
basically just a very specific spot...

>>106009964
5070ti, what are you retarded?

>>106010016
lol I figured as much.
Maybe this upgrade will hold me over until the next generation of CPUs and GPUs whenever that is.

>>106009906
I went from a 760 to a 1050ti and it was a gigantic upgrade. That said you could also get an 8700G for $280 and an am5 mobo for $140 plus 2x 16gb cl30 6000mhz ddr5 for $90. The 8700G is about the same level of graphical power as a 1660. Then you could leave what I'm guessing is an ancient intel 4th gen i5 running ddr3 and have a new computer for ~$510. And you could drop in better parts as they get cheaper down the line.

>>106009906
Get a 4060 or 5060 and some housefire cable adapters + a powerlimit
In general if you're limited to a shitty power supply you're better off getting the better card and just unvolting/limiting until you're "safe"

>>106010138
I went from 3600 to a 5700x and am on a b450. The difference was huge and I went from getting ~40-50fps in 4k in games like red dead redemption 2 to 60fps in 4k. I'm just going to wait for am6 at this point and skip am5 and possibly ddr5 entirely. I got a 9070xt and now I'm playing cyberpunk with high raytracing and last of us on max graphics at 60fps in 4k. The 2-3 years until am6 will go by in no time.

>>106009252
I wish those lazy valve fags would add dlss or update beyond far 1.0 for cs2

>>106010378
>dlss
>for counterstrike

>>106010406
Yes I want to play at 1080p but it rapes my cpu (5800X) so dlss would be great, or they could just optimize the game better

Sisters wake up, HUB posted another absolutely unhinged video with bullshit numbers that no one else would in a million years be able to get even halfway similar results to.
Do you think next week we'll get a clip from Steve about how we're all just misinterpreting his video?

>>106010425
>Hitpiece Unboxed

>>106010421
In what, 8k?

>>106010425
Nobody wants 8gb anyway and the 4060ti 16gb prices are fucking retarded so the only choice for a low-mid build is 9060xt 16gb for <$400. 5060tis start at $500 and by then you should already be looking at 5070s. You can get a hellhound 9060xt 16gb for $400. You can get a lower end 9060xt for $360. In this price bracket where your entite build should be aiming for under $1000 this matters. Nobody wants to buy an 8gb card with money in the current year.

>>106009376
It's kind of awesome actually, you can get these parts real cheap used if not new even. They have mature drivers and by now everyone knows which of the boards are best.
>Your setup will last you till you get a newer higher fps/res monitor tho.
Yea but do i really "need more" than 1440p 165hz? Not really, and the games you'd want higher FPS in typically run at really high framerates anyway, since their focus is gameplay as opposed to cinematics. Think DOOM Eternal vs Talos Principle 2 for example.

>>106010500
>>106009376
What parts did you buy, by the way?

>>106010421
>he doesn't play at all low settings 1024x768 stretched
tell me you don't actually play cs without telling me you don't play cs

>>106009964
9070xt of course

>>106010350
My Ryzen 5 5600 and 6800XT will also last me until AM6, i love AM4 so much it's unreal.

how come everyone always gets and recommends the Samsung 990 PRO when the WD BLACK SN850X seems to better in every aspect AND its also cheaper?

>>106010566
Sn850x is only better if you need a performant 8tb drive
990 pro is better everywhere else that's not Linux performance

>>106010566
I just buy whatever is cheapest with decent speeds and stick with pcie 4.0 so I don't have to worry about heat at all. Once youre getting over 6500mb/s who even gives a shit.

Pc parts aren't unobtainable expensive yet, why did you libtards lie to me?

>>106010830
You can't build a decent computer with current gen parts for $600 like you could in 2012. It is now $1000. They have castrated the lower end to the point that there is no viable card like the 750ti ($150) for a poor build anymore.

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 9600X 3.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($203.89 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3 70.84 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock B850M-X WiFi R2.0 Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($85.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: TEAMGROUP MP44L 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($57.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: XFX Swift OC Radeon RX 9060 XT 16 GB Video Card ($359.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 301 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Rosewill CMG850 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Masscool SL-FD14025 45.32 CFM 140 mm Fan ($5.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1008.72

>>106010566
they more or less trade blows. sometimes samsung is cheaper, sometimes wd is cheaper. it depends on the season like your vram lottery.

>>106010995
>$600 like you could in 2012. It is now $1000.
And the price of everything else went 4x+ since then so that's basically irrelevant.
Don't know why you'd go AM5 for a low/midrange build when outside of x3d intels alternative is cheaper and will perform better.

>>106011032
Because intel abandons their socket yearly and am5 is a smarter long term choice as you can drop in a much better processor when they are cheap and eol. Intel is a horrible choice for any budget build because there is no upgrade path.

>>106011076
>no upgrade path
People still try to pretend this actually makes a difference?

Is it okay if Im getting a case with 320mm GPU clearance and sticking a 315mm card in it? Im afraid that extreme proximity of GPU to the front fans will create some noisy turbulence. Anyone has experience with this?

>>106010830
because don zion folded like always

>>106011126
If you got into AM4 on a 2600 or 3600 you could upgrade to a 5700x3d for $160-200 at eol and comfortably wait for AM6. Having an upgrade path where you only have to spend a few hundred absolutely rules. Intel is dead. They don't even make the best igpus anymore for laptops.

>>106011193
Just buy a full tower with space for 10 case fans and never worry about anything again.

>>106009227
>Can I get a good one around 300??
maybe a used oled tv

>>106009292
I feel like a 5600 falled off in the upgrade meta years ago

I'm starting to see RX 9070 XTs hit £575, I will continue to wait, but if I see that price again I may buy it (on credit) and sell my RTX 3070

>>106009227
My walmart has had oled tv's for under $300 for awhile.
I still think oled is overrated dogshit but hey they are getting cheap if you can tolerate a big ass tv and a low refresh rate on your desk.

>>106011533
>pounds
enjoy your amd card

>>106011534
You have to spend more but you can get an lg 42" 4k oled with 120/144hz for $800-900. 60hz is way cheaper obviously

>>106011579
I'm a blue collar nigger now, I (may) play some video games

>>106010425
Explain how it's bullshit retarded nvidiot. One card has the full 16 lanes and the other only has 8. Of course it's going to be much faster in these scenarios where it needs to access the system ram. Blame njudea for giving their ti class card only 8 lanes in 2025, even the 16GB version which costs almost 500 dollars in real world pricing only has 8 lanes. 5060 ti is a subpar scam product like all lower tier GeForce cards.

>>106010232
I've thought about that, but if I'm gonna build might as well build something decent you know. Never gonna be a huge budget, but like $1000-1500 range, just haven't made up my mind about any of that yet (and may take a year or more to do so lol fukken procrastination)
>>106010344
If I'm putting in a bigger GPU anyway, this had occurred to me. I mean house fire adapters won't be enough with the stock 320W PSU but I've got a 700W one I can add with an adapter. Near me on faceberg there's a 2070 super for $200 or a 3080 for $350... Either of those decent deals? Or is a 40 or 50 series card much of an upgrade? If I were able to get something good enough to carry over to a new build that would be tempting, but I'm also cheap so don't want to spend too much on this old clunker if I'm gonna replace it all down the line.

Also been kinda comparing shit to the Arc b580 just to have kind of benchmark for my money, since I figure no point paying much for anything that can't beat a $250 card. VRAM seems to be the main issue on that front.

>>106011606
Bigger PSU* I meant to say

>>106011590
It's disgusting that these go for $500

>>106011606
If you get the 8700G you can spend $500 now and get onto the platform. Then you can upgrade your case and psu. Then get a card. Then get an x3d cpu and a cooler. Get 6000mhz cl30 ram and then double it later. You can upgrade gradually over the course of a few years and not spend $1500 of the bat. Sell the 8700G later. It's already about as good as a 5700x3d which is much much better than your current 4th gen i5.

>>106011590
I bet you literally no one else would be able to replicate what they're showing without also doing something to cook the results. If anything the 9060 should be doing worse in like every scenario since it needs another 10%-30% more memory capacity to do the same thing.
>where it needs to access the system ram
totally irrelevant, x16vsx8 will never in a million years save you in that scenario, you're fucked either way.
>>106011606
I would probably just do the 3080, next step up that's reasonably easy to find would be a 5070 for $200 more. Which could be a decent jump especially if your monitor has a refresh rate higher than 120/144 + you're going to enable rt. I vaguely recall the 5060 being able to nearly match a 3080 in heavy rt

>>106011672
>>106011672
>>106011672

>>106011719
>totally irrelevant, x16vsx8 will never in a million years save you in that scenario, you're fucked either way.
What if have pcie gen 3 mobo

>>106011728
It still doesn't matter, game wanting too much vram = crash and burn

>106011719
>10%-30% more memory capacity to do the same thing.
If nvidia handles vram so much better and uses so much less then why can't 12gb GeForce gpus run the same settings on games that 16GB radeon gpus can run just fine? Retarded shill.

>>106011753
The second section of this video is going to make you scream and shake uncontrollably in a fit of rage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RRZMI5lpmA

>>106011743
He's talking about the 5060ti 16gb vram card being completely gimped by the pcie lanes, what exactly are you talking about, the worthless 8gb vram cards nobody wants at all?

>>106011812
>16gb vram card being completely gimped by the pcie lanes
But they're not, that's fucking retarded

>>106011719
>totally irrelevant, x16vsx8 will never in a million years save you in that scenario, you're fucked either way.
Except it isn't retarded nvidia nigger. Every pcie gen is double the speed of the previous and 5.0 especially is insanely fast. Which is precisely why you see the 8GB 9060 XT get better and better performance as you go up the generations in the HUB chart. Dumb as nvidia fanboys showing they know nothing about computers again.

>>106011848
Go test it yourself in your video game(s) of choice comparing pcie 3x8 vs pcie5x16. I promise you 100% that the difference will be like <5% or similar in every realistic scenario.

>106011895
>I promise you 100% that the difference will be like <5% or similar in every realistic scenario.
Yes that is the difference when you aren't out of vram because your gpu isn't having to through the pcie lanes and access system memory. This only matters in scenarios where the card is out of vram and has to do so. Like I said you are retarded and don't understand how computers work.

>>106011293
Its okay to admit you dont know answer to my question and just move on.

>>106011193
What case?

What's a good cpu cooler for the 9800x3d?

>>106012647
Phantom Spirit or Peerless Assassin for air coolers.
280/360mm AIO for liquid cooling.