This is unironically worse than most malware when you think about it.

>>106004544 (OP)
modern software development practices

how do you even turn it off
ive fucked with registry and group policies but it always came back

>software I use auto updates
>malware engine flags one of the dlls (false positive hit)
>malware engine automatically breaks my software
Thanks. Great. Fantastic.

>>106004600
https://github.com/ionuttbara/windows-defender-remover

>>106004600
I use this https://github.com/es3n1n/defendnot
It's a program implements the anti-virus interface but doesn't actually do anything.

>>106004544 (OP)
he looks like a faggot, probably a rationalization from already having aids

>>106004746
its a cartoon, not real person

>>106004544 (OP)
I legitimately do not understand how people tolerate this in their homes. It takes 10 minutes to install Linux.

I get corporations have policy that takes effort to change but at home it's literally grab thumbdrive, burn image, reboot, next next next next, reboot problem sovled.

>>106004758
>linux
because normal people need their computer to work

>>106004758
>click a toggle
vs
>install an entirely different operating system

>>106004753
I see you're a faggot yourself

>>106004798
no, you may have me mixed up with someone else

>>106004560
Exactly, I hate how powerful hardware has become an excuse for devs to be lazy. I get that shit just can't be as optimized as in the 90s due to complexity, but man. It takes a few seconds for the context menu to open in Windows 11. At some point even normies will find it unacceptable and stop using that pile of dogshit. It's already happening with vidya and UE5, the push for optimization just needs to spread to more areas. 10 jeets doesn't give you John Carmack, it gives you 10 jeets.

>>106004560
>>106004878
I'm pretty sure current average dev is shittier than 20 years ago, simply because of amount of people getting into the field

>>106004778
>we
Why do some people talk like everyone's a big abstract blob that must do exact the same thing everywhere?

>>106004920
it's safe to assert that linux DE doesn't work anywhere

>>106004920
because people need a standard API to develop against.
WE all know how Win32 works because it is well defined.
WE are going to develop Win32 software and deploy it on Linux using WINE because it's the only thing that works.

>>106004778
downside of being distributed is being less organized, only makes sense

Programs just should have a GUI prompt with the list of required permissions - kind of like browser extensions. So that when you launch something that shouldn't write system files, or make network requests, you'd be told about it.

>>106004544 (OP)
>Disco

>>106004600
It turns back on with every update afaik, best to just have a script run every boot if you aren’t interested in Linux

>>106005024
>linux DE
There is no "Linux DE" although I'm running FVWM which is a DE on Linux and it seems to be working fine. The trance music from MPV is playing in my bluetooth headphones and I just got off a video call where v4l worked with zero tinkering.
>>106005075
The Linux API is fine. The *ABI* is not stable because everyone expects you to not be a toddler and publish the source code. If you really need a stable ABI then yeah Wine is the way to go which at this point is a more stable WIn32 implementation than you get with Windows 11.
>>106005401
On Linux you typically create separate user accounts for long running/non-free apps and give that user account the appropriate permissions. Gnome has a GUI for this. Some people are too lazy to do that though.

>I camped the task manager for 2 months waiting for windows defender to update so I could take this screenshot during the 15 second window

>antivirus
just use common sense retard

>>106005642
wish windows gave you that option instead of treating you like an applefag

>>106004758
Corel Draw. Only thing i can't negotiate. If VirtIO could stop getting messed around by the jewish hardware vendors i'd ditch my bare metal W10 install and wrap it inside Qemu with no network access, cause using Windows just feels wrong. This shit OS is kept alive under a literal extorsion racket of software vendors and gayming manchildren sucking off multiplayer spyware (and pathetic garbage like Valorant at that). Even modern Jeetdroid feels smoother than Windows.

>>106005401
cgroups can already get you there. Firejail is a good tool to make use of these capacities. But is a ton of grindy work so you get Flatseal instead.

>>106004560
jeets

>>106004878
Reminds me of how game developers would use Blu-Rays as an excuse to just fill them up with really large files that didn't need to be that large.

>>106005401
>shouldn't write system files
This is only a problem if you're dumb enough to launch something as root. Only system administration tools should be run as root.

>>106004635
how? don't you need to pay for a special antivirus certificate from microsoft to sign your code before you can even use it as an antivirus

>>106005075
For god's sake stop saying WE and PEOPLE like it's an unified blob
I develop against a nonstandard API, now that?
Will your abstract blob kill me because I'm not PEOPLE?

>>106004544 (OP)
Our company runs lots of VMs on Azure. They all have this shit running on them.
Selling Compute, and have CPU and RAM burning software that does nothing in our environment because they’re not desktops.
See why now?

We had eset and defender running on our actual workstations for over 10 years. Never found anything.

>>106005806
what about virtualbox

>>106004544 (OP)
How about stop using windows?

>>106005687
You opt out from that option by using windows, imnediately proving sub 70 IQ

>>106004600
install gentoo

>>106004600
>but it always came back
Never happened.

>>106004878
Hope moores law dying fucks them hard

>>106005024
>linux DE
what's that?

I really don't get all this winbabby cope. Almost like you're insecure about the fact you're using this proprietary black box OS that makes you suck corpo dick.
>doesn't work anywhere
nowadays babby distros like ubuntu and manjaro work better out of the box than winblows in my experience.

>>106005687
if you want options you know what you have to do, retard.

>>106006272
There isn't anything better though
Using linux is just giving control of your PC to your distro maintainer

>>106006347
>to your distro maintainer
the singular maintainer?
explain

>>106006347
That must have sounded really good in your head as you were typing it, bootlicker.

>>106006353
No, but rather you're dependent on your maintainer to package software and updates for you. A linux distro is essentially unusable unless you connect it to the internet.
If you want to use X version of a program rather than what your distro ships then it's a shitshow unless it's available as an appimage or something. Flatpak/snap are shit.
For all its problems, it's trivial to use a windows machine fully offline, including installing new software from backups.
If you don't want a program to update, it won't.
If you want to use software that was abandoned a decade ago that few people have ever heard of,, you can.
And you don't have to rely on the (hopefully) good intentions and capabilities of strangers like with the AUR.
The big problem with windows is mainly that many of its default behaviors are shit, especially in consumer editions of windows. But windows is very customizable through regedit and gpedit.

>>106006436
>No, but rather you're dependent on your maintainer to package software and updates for you
i do this for packages on my own because ebuilds are easy to tweak and modify
>A linux distro is essentially unusable unless you connect it to the internet.
ever heard of slackware?
any modern OS will require internet to install
usage does not require internet
>If you want to use X version of a program rather than what your distro ships then it's a shitshow unless it's available as an appimage or something.
depends on your package manager
portage lets you pick slots
>Flatpak/snap are shit.
agreed; I don't use these
>to use a windows machine fully offline
just like using Linux offline
>including installing new software from backups.
installing new updates for software? why would you have backed up an update that you don't have yet?

gave up after this point you're too retarded for me to waste further time on

27% of some mexican troon's stinkpad cpu is not comparable to modern cpu

>>106006465
41% of your kind that's an hero'd

>>106006461
To solve those points you've already alluded to using one distro and a package manager from another
>installing new updates for software?
No, installing software from backups, that aren't in your OS by default.
>gave up after this point
Yes you should, because you still haven't given a single satisfactory answer despite replying to all those points.

>>106006492
>To solve those points you've already alluded to using one distro and a package manager from another
never seen a distro that requires internet access to be actively used, you're just retarded
figure out your argument next time and be specific with wording if you want to try and be this retarded online
>No, installing software from backups, that aren't in your OS by default.
why did you back up an update? how did you back up the update without internet access?
why would you have installed a prior version when you have a backup of the update without internet?

>>106006485
>no u!
Niggerfaggottrannykike

>>106004544 (OP)
>the malware is the anti malware

>>106006492
if you had no internet, you couldn't post this retarded tranny meme for past 20 years, every single fucking day
when was the last time you had no internet? kill yourself

>>106006505
>never seen a distro that requires internet access to be actively used
Not at all what I was implying, I'm talking about installing software that was obtained at an earlier point.
>why did you back up an update
Never said update, I said software. Like I addressed in the previous post
You're clearly an ESL, so feel free to stop responding.

>>106006519
every single distro lets you do this, inbred anglonigger

>>106006513
>non-sequitir + unprompted tranny derangement
Not a good advertisement for linux distros

>>106006519
>Not at all what I was implying
>>A linux distro is essentially unusable unless you connect it to the internet.
retard alert
fix up your copy pasta for next time
>Never said update, I said software.
why would you have backups of software that you aren't using? how did you get them without internet?
by the way have you ever heard of Slackware?

>>106006532
>sequitir
saaaar...

>>106006527
If you backup software that works on distro X version 1.0 then it's extremely unlikely that it will work on distro X version 1.1, let alone X version 2.0 or distro Y
Meanwhile .exes from XP and older can work even on windows 11, and every version in between

>>106006546
You can't get another version without internet so you don't have to worry about that, kill yourself already, tranny.

>>106006546
>Meanwhile .exes from XP and older can work even on windows 11
kek'd to the highest degree
Wine ends up being a better compatibility layer than Microsoft's own dropdown selector

I'm not so poor that the anti-malware scanner has any measurable effect. lol. Perks of being 1st world I guess. For everyone else, there's linux.

>>106006554
I wonder how he got Windows 11 without internet.

>>106006533
more derangement, implying a copypasta when it isn't one (post archive link if it is - you won't)
>>106006533
>why would you have backups of software that you aren't using
Why would you have a video on your PC if you aren't watching it right this second?

>>106006561
have you looked up what Slackware is yet?
btfo's your entire attempt at trolling in one go

>>106006561
I don't have any videos on my computer.

>>106006436
>sync and pull down entire package repository to local storage on your network
>now have entire library of software available to install offline at any moment in time even if the sun explodes
woah this usecase is pretty gnarly

>>106006560
I got windows 11 once with internet and can get it infinite times without, because it's already installed. I do the same with my hardware, so it can be easily installed to any PC I have in the future, the versions that I want, even if they were to disappear from the internet.
>>106006554
Microsoft's own dropdown selector is unneeded 99% of the time, shit just runs natively. I can't remember the last time I had to run something in compatibility mode
>>106006569
Or images, music, nothing? No internet bookmarks, software projects? What exactly do you use your distro for, just viewing webpages?

>>106006587
>I can't remember the last time I had to run something in compatibility mode
one look at pcgamingwiki makes a man laugh at the absolute state of the "just werks" operating system of choice

>>106006587
I'm using it to remind you that I am not a nigger and never had internet outage in my entire life, so you will have to find a better cope.

>>106006586
This is a valid point but you're going to run into dependency hell and your archive is going to become useless if you want to update your distro but still use those older programs, isn't it?
I'm aware that you could potentially resolve every individual issue yourself but it would take a ridiculous amount of time, and you would have to redo it each time you update your archive.

>>106006595
>just werks
>used by neets who are a drain on society and don't work, too retarded to use all this time to learn how to use a computer

>>106006614
>if you want to update your distro but still use those older programs, isn't it?
i want to update but also downgrade?
name one actual example that matters

>>106006622
but enough about Windows...

>>106006623
It matters a lot on windows where pajeetware you use just gets abandoned suddenly.

>>106006634
hm, this sounds like a usecase that would never apply to me

>>106006607
It's not about outages, but rather something potentially becoming unavailable at a later date, especially from reputable sources.
>>106006623
I don't use linux outside of VMs, but from a windows perspective I do update to newer versions of windows (LTSC releases) while still using older versions of many programs that became enshittened over time.
>>106006634
Most of my software has both windows and linux versions, and there are some I'd want to use older versions of on linux as well. There's no easy way to achieve this on linux, I'd be at the mercy of the distro maintainer and using whatever they think is best, unless I want to spend all my time resolving dependency issues.
I unironically get far more control of my computer when using windows.

>>106006639
It doesn't apply to anyone but wintoddlers, obviously. I can just reinstall software no matter what without fear that it will disappear.

>>106006648
still waiting on an actual example of software that would be wanted but won't run because its "old"

>>106006648
Retarded subhuman. Your tranny shovelware is an exception, literally never happens anywhere else.

>>106006655
Frankly I don't care if it doesn't apply to you. It applies to me, I can rattle them off but you're just gonna hit me with the
>use case
meme or just say they're shit, we both know it, so there's no point.
>>106006661
Giving control of your OS to your distro maintainer just seems like digital cuckoldry, doesn't sit right with me. Like people who rely on netflix for movies, spotify for music, linux users rely on their distro maintainer for software installs and updates. Flatpak/snap gives control to the developer, but in neither case does the user have control, other than picking between the two.
If linux devs all started offering their software as appimages or something similar, that just werked on a range of distros for a long time then I'd probably give up windows.

>>106006648
>Most of my software has both windows and linux versions, and there are some I'd want to use older versions of on linux as well.
What is this software that you "MUST" have to run an older version of?

>>106006693
I'm sure you spent a lot of time writing this bait, but I'm not going to read it.

>>106006715
That's fine, you would have never been able to answer it.
>>106006708
Anything I feel like. This also applies to abandonware. I don't want to be forced to update anything, and I want to be able to easily pick and choose what I do update without having to spend hours troubleshooting.
I'm not trying to convince you to give up linux, I don't care if this use case doesn't apply to you and you're happy with letting your distro maintainer control all your software.

>I want to manually curate individual versions
>I don't have time to be a mentally ill tinkertranny who wastes time on updating everything.
Which is it?

I'm so done with windows 11.
Win 10 was bad but at least it worked.

>>106006738
>Anything I feel like. This also applies to abandonware.
I just want to know what is this software(s) that you rely on so heavily that it must run a specific old version.
I got no skin in this debate, I just don't understand how a specific older software version is that important that legacy libraries must be maintained as a non-professional user.
I understand businesses and other professional industries requiring their legacy applications to still be able to run on the latest Windows, but they are paying MS huge licensing contracts to maintain that support.

>>106006749
That's the great thing, with windows you can have both. Downloading a specific .exe takes a single click and then you can just drag it to your backup folder and it'll be good for decades.

>>106005624
>I’m fine with Microshit *randomly* scanning my entire pc whenever they like

>>106004544 (OP)
use linux

>>106006774
I didn't say I rely on it heavily, in some cases the reason for staying on an older version is minor, but I still want the ability.

>>106006776
I'm sure it was real in your head or something, except I have old CDs for games meant to run on windows 2000 that stopped working on win7 and up

>>106006783
who are you quoting?

>>106005806
>Corel Draw
Can't Wine run it?

>>106006791
Which ones, specifically?

>>106006823
All of them.

>>106006842
Well at least you don't have a use case for using any software that isn't currently being offered for your distro maintainer.

>>106006823
Try to install the original install CD of FF7 or FF8 PC port and I bet you it will never work on a modern Windows PC.

>>106006851
The 1998 version, right?
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII
There's several fan patches you can take your pick from, so you can just download them and back them up, as you would any other software on windows.

>>106006860
>fan patches
nice goalpost moving, disingenuous tranny

>>106006850
If there was such software, I'm competent enough to install it myself, however this has yet to be the case, sorry that you're not, babyduck.

>>106006860
But I demand this one specific version to install and play with, just like the original developers intended!
Just like you demand specific version of software to run regardless of the latest version being released/maintained.

>>106004544 (OP)
Reminder that microjeet pays their (((engineers))) 500k to do all of this shit, making the user experience worse each year.

Also this piece of shit.
Periodically scans your whole drive to find malware that could "hurt" chrome.
Idk how google even got away with it.
Oh and the lengths h1b engineers at google went to ensure it's super hard to disable it. Like you delete it it just reinstall, you remove permissions on directory tree, it installs itself at some alternative location.

>>106006864
Didn't need to switch OS or take hours resolving dependencies. The original software is rendered usable at the end of it. That was your goal, tranny lover.
>>106006868
>If there was such software, I'm competent enough to install it myself,
No, you would decide you don't care and do something else.
>>106006869
You're still using that original software and all its features are available to you. Back in the original context of this reply chain, the linux alternative would be settling for the 2017 remake because your distro maintainer decided that one is better.

>>106004758
It takes 10 minutes to install Windows, 3 minutes to activate it for free with a script, and 5 more minutes to debloat it. Then it works without issue forever, unlike Linux.

W7 chads stay winning..

>>106004544 (OP)
How? Of course it's going to use some resources while doing a scan.

>unironically
did you mean "ironically"? as in, it's ironic that anti-malware is worse than actual malware?? why are you using the exact opposite meaning of a word??? faggot????

>>106007519
Are we on reddit, wtf is this?

>>106005907
Would rather avoid anything that has to do with Oracle. Also hasn't worked great for 3D acceleration.
>>106006816
Not the last time i ran it. Crashed often.

>>106005453
>>106004600
Mine turns itself back on after each reboot.
Even when it's supposedly "turned off", it's still hanging in the background.

>>106004758
Genuinely the only reason I'm still on windows is that I only have one device, so if I cock something up I'll have nothing to fall back on and will probably lose all my shit. For all its flaws, windows is relatively retard-proof

>>106004544 (OP)
Some nigger with an adroid phone, ofc there is no need for fucking anti-virus.

>>106004600
Through group policy. But ONLY enterprise editions respect the group policy setting. Disable updates as well.

i love how half the catalog is people advertising their twitter. wow op what a banger tweet i bet you got 1k likes on that bad boy. fucking jeet

>>106004544 (OP)
>hook every no-no function
>add shitloads of debugger and preload traps
>scan memory randomly
>scan (AND PARSE) every single fucking file on close

I mean, what did people expect?
Antivirus is a fucking meme.
Capabilities > Heuristic (((security)))

>>106004600
with a group policy, then it just stays down forever

>>106004544 (OP)
Why are windowsfags ok with not being in control of what their computer does?

This shit unironically bricked a laptop I bought in 2017. Had decent specs, Windows simply forced endless shartware to run in the background and it would straight up lock frequently. There was no way to disable it conventionally

>>106008845
Because I don't need control. I just need my toy machine to play vidya with my RTX 99999 Ti.

>>106004758

>>106007519
anironically is the correct term

>>106006693
>still no example

>>106004544 (OP)
>only 9% disco
not looking good

>>106004544 (OP)
memory leak, o algo?

>>106004778
lol thats like saying we haven't figured out what car to use. you are dumb

>>106004758
They tolerate as much as they are able to understand it. Custom iso fixes it by removing malware engine entirely.

>>106005854
according to the dev, he reverse engineered it
https://blog.es3n1n.eu/posts/how-i-ruined-my-vacation/

>>106004758
>how people tolerate this
normies have no clue. they know "their computer is slow" but don't know why it's happening.

>>106004544 (OP)
>>106004600
You will own nothing and be happy.

>>106004544 (OP)
wtf is going on with his pc that its using that much cpu and MB?

>>106004600
Download moar ram, you third world nigger.

>>106004544 (OP)
>9% Disco

meanwhile on computer with 25 days uptime

>>106004758
Linux is a pain in the ass with windows I know everything works without any extra effort, but windows is so unbearable I think I'm gonna make the switch soon.

>>106007519
How is this worse than actual malware? It obviously didn't sustain that usage for an extended period of time. This entire thread is violently retarded. They should ban twitter screencap threads.

>update windows
i sleep
>update linux
basedface

not my problem

>>106006738
I think you are talking about a Linux installer which was compiled on a different machine which will not work. To get it on the new machine you have to get the code from GitHub, open terminal, compile it, and use make to build an install. And yes the install will be machine specific.

the absolute state of /g/ users

>>106006347
Linux is just a kernel. You can use it on your own GNU/Linux build (e.g. Linux From Scratch).

>>106004544 (OP)
Normies don't think, anon.

Just use AtlasOS

>>106004758
imagine yourself as a normal person. You cant

>>106012811
>imagine yourself as a normal person. You cant
What do they even think about all the time? I used to try to hang around them and it was really unpleasant. I basically had to be black out drunk all the time.

>>106012343
>It obviously didn't sustain that usage for an extended period of time.
You'd be surprised. Microsoft software have the tendency to glitch out and use power for absolutely nothing. One time my sister complained to me about how her computer kept shutting down for no reason and she made me take it to check it up. It turned out that windows update was glitched and made the laptop heat up to the point where it was shutting itself down to avoid damage. I fixed it and then her laptop never shut down again. And the best part is, since I had her laptop in my room, I was able to search it thoroughly and find her nudes... I jerked off so much to them.

>>106013552
Well, maintenance is another issue, and laptops are often so poorly designed they're rated to work for extended lapses at 100C. Not to mention how fucking obnoxious they are to open and clean.
I'm not defending MS's shitty software, but pretending this is worse than having some bullshit mining crypto on the background is pure delusion.

>>106004544 (OP)
>hourly "freetard filtered by inability to click a button" thread

>>106004758
Computers are tools, not toys. They have to work.
Most people who have computers have one to do things, not babysit some IoT lightbulb OS that's always one line noise-esque command (either entered, or not entered in time) away from self-destruction.
This is the main reason Windows and Mac OS destroy you decade after decade.

>>106004778
linfart mint is the way. it just fvcking works. if youre an office nigger, you have the libre office spreadsheet thing and the ms word spinoff that does the job. nobody gives a shit about browsers. rythmbox however is shit and it makes me want to cut my fingers off but normies stream everything so that isnt a problem.

>>106004635
I asked people a decade ago if this wasn't a thing, and they called me a madman...

>>106013764
"i won't spy on you regardless, trust me bro"

>>106008892
that's a feature under wayland (kde and sway)

this shit kicks in whenever you compile code btw
my windows builds halved in time after disabling that

>50 MB/s read
nigga thanks not anti malware, that is direct access to your computer remotely by multiple sources

>>106013764
its wierd how much you people glaze windows for "just werking" but then go on to berate people for not finding all these settings and registy/policy tweaks.

>>106012306
> 0MB/s
Let me know when it’s 0B of RAM,
Doesn’t hook APIs to make them slower
Scan any new/changed files

>>106008553
It turns back on just re-running gpedit and looking.

It’s like kiving kids one of those activity sets with a steering wheel for the side of their crib… they’re not really driving anything.

>>106012699
Too retarded to configure windows in any way

>>106012306
here's mine, why is it wasting ~30mb of RAM wtf?

Any programs that spawn a bunch processes to do their work, think invoking ffmpeg or imagemagick once per file with a large batch of small files, get _absolutely fucked_ by MS defender. Processing a batch will take 10x longer because each time a process is spawned defender will scan that process' memory, which uses a decent amount of CPU and halts the process' execution temporarily

>>106015320
I think it's mostly python

>>106004753
cartoons can't post on twitter

>>106015335
May I present, exhibit A(nime) >>106004544 (OP)

>>106013764
Freetards don't use this shit lol. It's all winshitters getting filtered by their own shitware. You love to see it.

>>106015355
there is a person or bot posting those, the cartoon is just an avatar and cannot actually post

>>106015326
elaborate

>>106015405
How do you explain that the rootkit doesn't have the aforementioned issues with any other software but Python software lags the same be it on linux or windows?

>>106015395
Can bots have aids?

>>106015420
in some sort of metaphorical sense, yes, they can

>>106015412
it happens whether the software was written in Python or not, and turning off real-time protection solves the problem, massively reducing CPU usage and reducing the processing time required

>>106015461
Ah, that makes sense. I wasn't aware of that issue with Defender (never had it on, sought to disable it since forever). Blaming Python was a fallacy based on its general slowness. Thanks for the correction.

Unused ram is wasted ram
Hopefully all those malwares are going to eat up to 8 gbs of ram and force poorfags to switch to linux, that way we can recover the aryan indian userbase of windows (now mixed with filthy spics and ameriturds)

>>106015515
I actually have no reasons left to be on windows.
Obsidian solved 99% of my problems. I just need to find a way to migrate my browser bookmarks there asap.

>>106015235
some group policies made it consume very little ram, at least that' progress, I know that there's a way to suspend the process indefinitely as well - used to disable defender that way in the past

Wtf is this garbage I've turned this on with enable, restarted and it reverted to not configured, what the actual fuck?

>>106015610
why is it using windows 7 icons

>>106015624
they don't update server/enterprise shit whatsoever in terms of UI, anyway tried to force update it and it resets each time, what the actual fuck