Thread 106013958

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archieve, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny (Mild U) - $20
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro / G10 (V-shape) - $35
• Kiwi Ears Cadenza (Mild V) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• Hifi Walker H2 / Surfans F20 (Rockbox) - $120
• Tempotec Variations V1 - $130
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>105989776

dogshit op yet again

whatever posters who like on topic discussion and genuine recs, consider if you'd want to join a discord.
else, we can all observe another thread go to waste with a solid 70%+ bad faith troll posts, rat shill, samefag falseflag retards manufacturing drama, etc.

Nora incoming!
Sorry Lost Manor waiters, Nora comes first.

noo..... the thread quality went downhill.... we need a transcord to circle jerk without trolls!!

i want a transcord to run gay ops its not fair foxpedo is the only one who gets to run gay ops with his discordtranny friends

i just want a live chat with user traceability, because the amount of samefagging (You) baiters is getting a bit ridiculous as anon pointed out

>>106014044
All me btw.

>>106014069
you mean all us

NORA waiting room

>>106014023
Kek, foxtroon proving hes a bitter cunt and that he cant read graphs simultaneously

r6 anon, hope you're enjoying your 15 pos

btw oxyzo, you should have redeemed the kara instead of the origin

>>106014164
Whats cool about it?

what are the guide recommendations and op recommendations based on? just /g/ feedback? looking to get biggest bang for buck with low budget to try out first time IEMs.

>>106014210
its literally based off of whatever schizos are determined to enough to put their pos in the op and snipe the threads
for example the q1pro is a known shriek monster and sounds like total shit, but its in the op anyways because one schizo really likes it

>>106014255
>q1pro is a known shriek monster and sounds like total shit, but its in the op anyways because one schizo really likes it
Just EQ to the Fox Target and enjoy faceplate techs.

>>106014205
seems to suit your preferred target
>>106014210
ignore little newfag meltoid, both op and guide reccs are ok. op is focused on cheap products, guide on a selection of good products in different price brackets
most of them are chosen based on their viability as a whole product, not just based on sound. build quality, qc/qa issues, accessories, availability, price, etc

>>106014255
who else is doing custom faceplates?

>>106014306
how do you eq away ukraine killing millions of vatnik ziggers

>>106014328
ANC = Active News Cancelling

>>106014310
>kara
Yeah I like that FR, tho I dont know I always avoided BApos for some reason, I almost buy the Yume but I got the Oxygens instead

Name one brand that isn't actively shilled here. Protip: you can't.

>>106014534
Aoshida, Xenns, Aful
there's three, fuckwk22jo

What is the best BA for R2R DAC -> tube amp setup? VX Pro+ has 8 BA per side, was wondering if there's anything better under $150

>>106014571
>xenn
>aful
>not actively shilled here
lol
LMAO

>>106014706
anon was retarded with xenns, but aful is a good shoutout

Speaking of, are the Xenns Top Pro worth a significant upgrade over the mangird or tea?

how much will these cost? i wanna have newest chinese shit upgrade from my 15yo panasonic 10$ ones

>>106014871
looks line a hana replacement
prolly $150-180

>>106014871
kara sidegrade with the same clear shell and same cable
150-200

>>106014706
>>106014710
who's actively shilling xenns? it's more thieaudio than xenns and aful combined if anything, fucktards

>>106015085
>came after the tea pro shilling

>>106014706
>>106014710
neither brand was mentioned once past two threads. the fuck you cocksmokers on?

>>106014735
look at graphs, ideally demo before committing. top and now top pro are the more technically oriented sets (read as: brighter in the treble, not as bass-heavy). whether that suits you or not, idk

which one of you isn't a chinese shill

>>106015885
Me...

>>106015885
We know one of us is a russian shill

>>106015885
Buy Truthear Pure :3

>>106015946
Is Asano a girl with a penis?

>>106015969
A bit direct no?

name a better sub $35 pos that isn't in OP that is better than q1pro

>>106016075
Moondrop chu 2 eq'd to 5128 df

We should also be measuring 10Hz, as we can perceive infrasonics. A driver that can't go down to 10Hz has worse driver quality.

>>106016311
this is both the most retarded and most based take i've seen in a while

>>106016343
this general is constant psychopathy.

>>106014255
Pretty sure there are at least 4 custom q1pro owners in this thread.

castor improved bass version completely mogs edc pro

i was struck by how good $20 sony earbuds sound when i turned the volume up a decent amount. probably apple wired earbuds sound good too, though i have some problems with them staying in my ears. i'll quit buying $100 iems from now on

>>106017062
there are 2 furfags and 1 pedo
they're really not sending their best

My Apple earbuds fit great in my ears when I'm sitting down, though they don't fit well when I'm lying down. They have a place for me.

>>106017162
always good to go back to the classics. Apple wired earpods are pretty good desu!

>>106017162
Sad how people destroy their ears just because their IEMs/headphones are tuned like shit.

>ER2SE
>apple dongle plugged into my SE3
>spotify
yup, time to relax and enjoy the music

Midlake - The Courage of Others

>>106015885
If Tanchjim has a million fans, I am one of them.
If Tanchjim has ten fans, I am one of them.
If Tanchjim has no fans, that means I am no more on the earth.
If the World is against Tanchjim, I am against the World.
I love Tanchjim till my last breath.

>>106017890
I AM BECOME TRANCHJIM I WILL DESTROY MOOOOONDROOOP SAAAAAAAAAR

>>106017559
I don't think you actually deeply enjoy music and just desire to co-masturbate with washed up audiophile retards

>>106013958 (OP)
>troonware ad threads
absolutely degenerate

>>106017933
Why so max foxzo

>>106017933
I've been in this general for too long and have grown attached to it. It's better than any other forum (headfi, ASR etc).

I love everyone here and wish for them to be happy. In my heart I carry merely acceptance.

>>106013994
>p-please worship me, I want to keep blogposting about foxes....

Is Tanchjim good or just a meme?

>>106017966
Mines still living since '21, thats about as real as it gets

>>106017966
sort of like moondrop, made some good stuff in the past but now just keeps riding on that past success while producing nothing of interest or value
>>106017973
my tin t2 still work perfectly and you don't see a tin hifi troon brigade in this general!

>>106017973
>living
my Soundmagic E10 is still living since '15, only the cable is busted, which I imagine is a non-issue in IEMs with removable cables

>>106017979
We get it, you got assblasted last thread rustroon, but this is getting ridiculous

Captcha: IVAN2A

>>106017997
Not rustroon, I'm sorry you're so mind broken by ziggers though.

>>106018004
It doesnt even matter if you are him or not, an example was made of him and anyone like minded

>>106018018
Mindbroken and assblasted, is this the power of the tranchjim shill brigade lmfao

>>106018027
Keep it melty and dont forget to dilate!

>>106018027
>assblasted
heh, im not russian tho..

for me it's the Etymotic ER2SE.

>>106018046
man of culture
for me it's XR, but they're equally good

>>106018046
For me its Ety Kids

>>106018087
For me it's ER20XS. Extremely well-controlled bass, transparent mids, smooth treble and overwhelming techs.

>>106018114
patrician choice

>>106018159
>pic rel
How it feels to have fox treble raping your brain

>>106018206
2 filters and it's literally the same
how is it a problem exactly?

>>106018241
>getting raped by high treble
Just get QKZ x HBB lul

>>106018267
high treble depends on the fit and ear anatomy

>>106018267
>Just get QKZ x HBB lul
if they have similar shell to edc pro then that's a nope from me shit doesn't fit my ears at all

end game

>>106018114
this is the case for all Etys, that's why we love them
still, kek'd at earplugs

Are the aria 2 Red's worth the price? or is it old hype?

>DHL is charging me a $600 import tariff for Moondrop IEMs.

b-but I thought China paid the tariffs???

>>106019165
did you really think that?

>>106019150
What the fuck is an "aria 2 Red". Did you mean zero 2 red or one of the arias(there're like 6 of them).

>>106019165
imagine the tariff techs, i'm drooling everywhere
>>106019970
aria 2 repainted in red, apparently tuned differently
>>106020029
>embargo lifts
>tons of reviews come pouring in
>links ltt video
baaaaaaased

>>106020090
>apparently tuned differently
i see zero squigs for aria 2 red

u sure about that?

>>106020121
not sure at all, i remember jaysaudio measuring both and having a slight difference but it could very well be unit variation since the aria 2 red is just listed as a separate color rather than a separate iem on most retailers

>make a fucked up blind listening procedure
>still get abysmal results
sourcebros, it can't be...
https://youtu.be/KzOpdXe5pRU

I am planning to "upgrade" from the Moondrop x Crinacle Dusk to the Kiwi Ears Astral. I am going to sell the Dusk and use that money to buy the Kiwi. My question is, is it actually an upgrade or am I a giga retard and I am downgrading? If you know of something better in the 300 Eurocuck price range that is very technical, I'd love to hear about it.

>>106020189
do you want the science-based acoustical autistic answer, or the casual hobby enjoyer one?

>>106019165
The only reason why we don't pay 6 gorillion from taxes is that chinese couriers are not afraid to commit customs fraud.
When you order shit sent through DHL you open yourself to being buttraped by customs like that

>>106020189
try to listen to it first....
even if 100 people say it's very technical there's no guarantee you'll hear it that way

>>106020195
I listen mainly for the pleasure of listening to good music, so the casual hobby enjoyer one.

>>106020236
then the best way is to demo them yourself
"technicalities" are very subjective, best practice is to demo, either in shops or through amazon (and their refund policy)
they sounded mostly similar from my (very) limited testing of both (dusk with dsp effect, not the analog version). i wouldn't call etiher one an upgrade/downgrade, or even a sidegrade. they accomplish the same thing imo

>>106018279
no it depends on the pos' shit ass tuning quirks

>>106020270
Alright thanks for the advice. Apart from the Kiwi Ears Astral, what else can I demo?

>>106020306
partially

>>106019150
it has always been an average, competent 1dd.
but it's in a heavy metal shell with minimal ergonomic contouring (read as: not the best for comfort). the brass nozzle may patina.
not worth $90 to me. if you like red color then i guess?

>>106020189
idiot-proofing your plan: order the astral from amazon so you can return. don't sell the dusk until you confirm you like the astral more.

>>106020322
depends on volume as well. see how little things altogether make up the whole? kinda like how fr isn't the entire picture, blah blah

>>106020310
depends on if you want to keep the same tuning style or not
if so, i think the usual new meta iems are worth looking at. my favorite is still the ke4 out of all of them, a lot of bass balanced out by elevated treble
hype 2/4, sliivo sl41 mk2 (shoutout sliivotard, i miss you), quintet, p50, etc are all variations on that tuning style
others i would look at that are different are the origins, volume s, tea pro

>>106020310
tea pro
top pro
ziigaat odyssey
dunu davinci

>>106020340
>kinda like how fr isn't the entire picture
>every listed factor affects fr

>>106020340
>kinda like how fr isn't the entire picture, blah blah
why do you feel the need to bring this up?
volume will not create new peaks lol

I've been EQ'ing origins with the intent of getting a very bassy preset to use rather high volumes.

Origin will not lose soundstage or detail with any insane treble suppresion you throw at it, but at the same time the HBB x KZ's bass is tighter, this is not changeable with EQ, problem is, the imaging of the HBB is just a blob of sound per ear. I still consider it a budget champion.

>>106020473
Learn to EQ better then, I just used EQ to make my Wankers sound the same as the Origin but with more impactful bass and wider soundstage.

>>106020487
cool story bro

>>106020473
>this is not changeable with EQ
sounds like a skill issue

>post about soundstage and detail
>make all the trannies mald
and the earth keeps spinnin'

>deaf
>cope about being chads or something
pffft
btw buy daybreak bros, KINGacle on top!

origin > hbb > q1 pro

>>106020359
many pos don't scale well and turning up the volume could create issues that otherwise weren't there. look at BAs.

>>106020602
For me, EDC Pro > Q1 Pro > Wanker > Origin

>>106020624
crazy, i have both wanker too, its like a low fidelity toy

>>106020473
appreciate the measurements. do you by chance have one for origin channel matching?
>>106020487
eqing pos to another pos is such a waste of time and mostly cope. enjoy your pos for what it is. eqing to a pos is the transgenderism of iems

Anyone else that love the Harman tuning? What are the best IEMs under $200 that has this tuning?

>>106020665
nova

>>106019165
does that incline you towards buying a similar product from elsewhere? if so, then working as intended

>>106020629
It sounds ok stock, with EQ they sound very good and treble doesn't require much work for me. Horrible build but fits comfortably.
My ranking was based solely on sound, with everything taken into account it'd be Origin over Wanker
>>106020639
Those are not his measurements. Look in the gazette if you want anons' measurements
>>106020639
Most pos have flaws that I can fix in less than a minute through EQ.
>>106020665
Nova, Supermix4, Chopin

>>106020668
>>106020671
Thank you

>>106020669
Other countries make IEMs?

>>106020680
Nova is huge and uncomfortable as fuck and the cable is insanely microphonic, just warning you.

>>106020604
even with BA it's a minor issue and not even in treble.
It can be counteracted with EQ easily. But we are talking about 1DD pos in the first place so BA examples are irrelevant
>many pos don't scale well
proof?
>turning up the volume could create issues that otherwise weren't there
such as?

I lost my Q1 Pro three weeks ago and I already miss them, I don't know if I should get another one since I already know what to expect from them or maybe a different iem.

>>106020629
now EQ them to have same ear gain as origin.. by ear

>>106020724
buy wyverns black remaster for a dragon waifu

The final solution to breaking dongles.

>>106020671
>gazette is the final arbiter of iem truth.
noty
>>106020702
>proof?
the proof is in reports of many pos not scaling well, you goof. don't make me spoonfeed you, be a big boy
>such as?
such as treble becoming shrill like BAs do. why the fuck are you even questioning this

Remember. Listen to your songs, not to your gear. Stop visiting audio equipment forums and sites (including this general). Stop consuming audio equipment, go support the music artists you like and listen to more music.

>>106020776
hello foxbum

you DID buy the new CrinEar DAYBREAK available now on TheHangout. Right anons?

>>106020776
Don't bother giving updates, we will be waiting until you do a wireless hook with replaceable batteries (and attachable fox ears)
>>106020807
>noty
What does this even mean

>>106020807
>the proof is in reports of many pos not scaling well, you goof. don't make me spoonfeed you, be a big boy
well show them?
>such as treble becoming shrill like BAs do. why the fuck are you even questioning this
why the fuck are you bringing BAs in a conversation about 1DDs????

>>106020820
Sorry, but I'll buy literally any IEM with an anime girl on it.

Which is bad, because they all have anime girls on it these days.

>>106020736
bro im eq'ing every iem, im not listening to origin as is, it still has insane resolution even if you boost wanker in comparison

>>106020914
If that >>106020473 is how you do it then then no wonder. Where your treble EQ at?

>>106020918
go ahead send me your preset pagpag, as i have both wanker and origin kek

>>106020928
>just EQ by ear for me, I can't hear
Really nigga.

>>106020940
you are just gonna cope eternally with your pos being low fidelity, arent ya?

>>106020029
somebody... give p50 to this man

>>106020914
okay? now eq them to each other by ear

>>106020954
By asking me for my preset you're saying you have the same ear canal length, tips and insertion depth as me. So be careful with what pictures you're posting.

reminder that if two pos are eqd to the same fr they will have the same ringing and speed and decay
resolution and soundstage are purely subjective, and perception based so the mere act of even thinking of one pos will influence your hearing

>>106020969
okay? now buy some jollibee fresh from the store

>>106020978
maybe later

>>106020975
>t. one iem haver

>>106020960
With a racemixing faceplate.

>>106020882
>why the fuck are you bringing BAs
we started off talking about high treble then someone chimed in saying they can fix anything with eq. there's tons of reasons treble can get fucky, that's what I was pinpointing

>>106020986
>hasn't read https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/myths-misconceptions/#transients-speed--responsiveness

>>106020602
origin has even worse channel matching lmao

>>106021038
>>106021039
why does my iem make all the troons seethe bros?

>>106021032
>"eq can fix anything"
>heh, but what about *unsalvageable dogshit that we always tell you to avoid*
>I am very smart

Are you really gonna attack every Origin user from now on just cause one of them called you a foxtroon?

>>106021051
>ignores everything
>posts random pic of shitty matching
>frogposts
>projects his own seething
bruuuh

>>106020975
>bullshit "it's all fr" ragebait/cope
>trying to downplay value of higher end drivers, since eq can’t magically turn a $20 pos into a $200 one in all aspects.
not everything is purely subjective. a cheap, off the shelf driver could sound worse in details even when eq’d to match a more capable one.

Asano, what the fuck is this.

>>106021086
>ust refuses to believe theres iems with better detail and soundstage
many such cases

NOOO YOU CANT JUST POST THE FR OF OUR POS STOOOOOOPPP

>>106021093
>make dumb statement
>countered with evidence
>copes with audiophool speak
>asked to show measurements
>ignores everything

>>106021108
me and bido vlue

>>106021093
oh no he's going full retard about driver shit again...
>more capable one
driver capability is in the spec
>Frequency Response Range 2 - 40000
if driver can resolve 20-20000 it means it is capable enough

>>106021202
you wish this was /iemg/ canon, you fuck

>>106021254
>driver shit
>capable enough
you have obviously low standards, so shut the fuck up

>>106021257
still waiting for measurements or any objective evidence
and no, opinions about iems are not a valid source

>>106021283
who cares what you have to say, keep malding

>>106021330
see points 3 to 5 >>106021202

>malding
there is no way I share a general with worthless underage faggots like this. maybe a shitty discord would be better than this. jesus

>>106021347
>>106021330

you are obviously fucking retarded
your "high standards" is some retarded "carbon tube covered diaphragm" infographic. Your standards stop at that because you can't confirm materials of the driver. You can't confirm properties of the driver. You can't confirm capabilities of the driver.
Heck you have NO standards outside of your own delusional retardation.
Shut the fuck up bitch.

>>106021352
>m-muhbe a shitty trooncord is better
go ahead, gtfo

wow, what a shitty general.

still waiting for those driver quality measurements

>>106021365
holy melt

>>106021283
what exactly do you want measurements of? be specific and stay on point rather than sperg line by line. a cheapo pos tuned to a $380 pos won't perform the same. if the opposite was true, there'd be a hundred edc pro users absolutely demolishing origin users in this general. but we don't see that. we see fuckos like you needing to be spoonfed counters to their cope and STILL not conceding at the end of the day. we've been here before.
>inb4 still can't show measurements
it's really just the fact that you have to be constantly reminded that the obsession with eq leads this hobby into a cult.

epztroons and wankercucks currentling melting ITT

>>106021390
any measurements that show they won't perform the same

You know what's funny is we have Totlzo who actually owns those Subtonic Storms and other boutiques but I've never seen him be so fervent or try to derail a thread over what he owns. Meanwhile this guy spends just a few hundreds and thinks he's already at the summit.

>>106021214
what are earbuds with good soundstage?

>>106021438
Because it's BA pos, he knows it's shit.

>>106021438
>melts over my post
>makes 30 replies melting
you did this on yourself

>>106021390
>there'd be a hundred edc pro users absolutely demolishing origin users in this general
the fuck does it even mean you delusional cuck???

>>106021458
What are you talking about. This is my firat post in this thread.

>>106021490
oh okay, carry on!

>>106021460
are you new? edc owners for the most part believe they're already at summit-fi because of eq.

still waiting for measurements btw

>>106021552
2 more weeks

>>106021519
so they are demolishing origin owner just like you wanted?

they are shitting on origin, but they dont realize im gonna get nora too

>>106021606
>wasting money to own a bunch of pagpags
eeeh you do you man
you do you

Just received a message from my trusted carrier pigeon that the Nora will be tuned just like the Bunny and Origin!
Am I lying? Or telling the truth? Or maybe I'm actually saying nothing!
Anyways, don't forget to buy your Force and Fission before production ends.

>>106020701
Ok good to know. Thanks mate. I think I will get the SuperMix 4.

>>106021552
ok so no measurements, driver quality is based on feels and stuff i guess

>>106021622
I am hunting for the perfect soundstage on an iem, not one that comes from boosting treble like the schizotroons will imply, but one that with correct engineering and psychoacoustics can achieve enhanced and almost unnatrual levels of soundstage, 64 audio u12t achieved this, oxygen and origin are not quite there but for the price its pretty good, with the right source

>>106021758
tell them to stop making the treble so hot for fucks sake

>>106021582
you'll have to ask them.
>>106021802
yes, it's pure magic. just like being able to eq in better stereo imaging and whatnot.

>>106021831
cool, so i can claim that any pos x has a better driver than pos y, and you won't insult me?

>>106021847
you can claim whatever you like. the baseline truth is that some dds are better/worse than others and the same goes for all pos driver types. even though some will claim they can fix any inherent issues with eq, they miss the plot. high quality shit sounds like high quality shit and if you're discerning enough, you can tell two different drivers are behaving two different ways, even when eq-matched.

>>106021971
>some dds are better/worse than others and the same goes for all pos driver types
show measurements of what you mean by high quality, or of two drivers behaving in two different ways when eq-matched

>if you're discerning enough, you can tell two different drivers are behaving two different ways, even when eq-matched.
>never actually heard two eq-matched drivers

>>106022023
you dont need to be discerning enough when the techs are obvious

>>106022061
>you dont need to be discerning
You need to be extremely discerning to hear what the good microphones(studio) captured but bad microphones(measurement) can't capture.

E-earphone first half ranking list of 2025, ranking the best selling products of 12 categories for the first half of 2025 ( info taken from https://www.e-earphone.jp/pages/2025-first-half-ranking ).

>Pos: gear (total profit) / gear (unit)
>Wired IEMs
1st : Dunu DaVinci / FInal Vr3000 for Gaming
2nd : Final VR3000 for Gaming / Fiio jd10
3rd : Sennheiser IE900 / Final vr3000 white edition
4th : MADOO Typ821 / Audio Technica ATH-Cks330nc
5th : Moondrop Kadenz / fiio jd1
>Eartips
1st : Pentaconn COREIR AL
2nd : Pentaconn COREIR Brass
3rd : Eletech Baroque
4th : SednaEarfit Crystal 2 Standard / Pentaconn COREIR Mini Stainless Steel
5th : Pentaconn COREIR Mini Stainless Steel / SednaEarfit Crystal 2 Standard

>>106022101
Timmy eating good.

>>106022093
some drivers are bigger, some shells are wider, etc, a lot plays into how we perceive soundstage, a FR response doesnt capture that

https://youtu.be/dPOvNwi0b1k
>E-EPZ-san c-can I copy your homework???
He's so full of shit lol
https://youtu.be/4VsGkI1R2mY
sucked it off
https://youtu.be/63dChzYg628
these two chucklefucks were sucking off "coffee tips" through the whole video
https://youtu.be/8UIbygQgga8
kinda sucked it off a little bit
https://youtu.be/yuTHEx2H0Fc
mixed bag (mostly liked it I guess)
https://youtu.be/4Vff29LP9es
didn't like it

nobody was impressed with technical performance

>>106022157
You do not hear driver size. You do not hear shell size.

>>106021987
we're going in circles on a weekly basis here. you've beg for these measurements a million times
and when told driver quality, diaphragm material, shell design and implementation of it all adds up to a system
trying its best to replay audio. fr doesn't show distortion or things like decay or even dynamics.
you don't even want to get into where technicalities come from because you and people
like you reduce and dismiss so easily that the idea an audio engineer places sounds in the mix for your pos to
accurately replay is beyond your grasp and you can't tie everything together pastm "it's just fr". that logic breaks down easily.
shitty mixes can really only be discerned with competent sets and good ears, but
how do you know what to listen for when you attribute everything to fr?
fr is the last thing THE PEOPLE MAKING ALL AUDIO YOU HEAR consider

>>106022173
I hear what I hear, you on the other hand own one iem, and will never be a woman

>>106022181
>man asks for measurements
>you reply with non-measurements
Maybe try posting measurements.

>>106022173
nobody is saying these things alone make up the whole picture you shit. but YOU are saying ONLY fr does. do you see the disconnect here? we're telling you so many things add up to contribute to our perception, but you reducing it all down to fr says straight up cope

>>106022181
I admire your tenacity bro, but they only want to cope, cause some of them are legit pagpags with no money, others russian troons, and others are pay per post shills, you'll have to limit yourself to observing their sad existence, knowing you cant communicate with them

>>106022181
see points 1-5 >>106022181
show measurements, not audiophool speak
show a better driver and evidence that points to it being better instead of saying things that make a better driver

>>106022198
you just don't get it. case dismissed

>>106022224
*see >>106021202

>>106022211
>we're telling you so many things add up to contribute to our perception
Name 1.
>>106022229
If it can't be measured then it doesn't exist. Simple as.

im just here to call you a pagpag troon, im not even reading your scientology mumbo jumbo

Confirmed: shell and driver size and quality of EDC Pro outperforms most other IEMs.

>>106022216
you're right. it's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.

>>106022296
tell us the 3 most expensive pos edc pro mog entirely?

>>106022325
trust me, its a matter of them simply nothing but an apple dongle and whatever piece of shit was hot for 30$ at the time, a part of their mind has already drank the FR kool aid so hard theres no going back, youd have to fly one of these paggies, shower them, and give them a good iem with a clean source for them to even consider agreeing with you on techs being a thing

>>106021352
>Can't stop thinking about underage
>Suggests discord
Anon, it's not looking good for you

The only thing an IEM does is moving air. The only thing an eardrum does is being moved by air. All you have to do is show that there's something in the air that a measurement mic can't capture or that what you hear is not 100% determined by what reaches your eardrum. I recommend pursuing the second route. Not just because there are IEMs that actually affect the stuff outside of the eardrum but because you'll have to reconcile with the fact that what you see affects what you hear, including the marketing blurb about drivers that you have no means of verifying. Could be a painted plastic bag for all you know(it is).

>>106022384
simply having nothing*

still waiting for evidence of what constitutes a better driver that is not based on opinions.

>>106022409
ears, lmao

>>106022350
You would have better luck finding the most expensive pos EDC Pro doesn't mog, but here you go
Canpur CP622B
Mysticraft HEX
Nightjar Singularity
7th Acoustic Asteria

>>106022444
>not based on opinions
provide measurements, not the same ai pics

>>106022444
>fuck that! you're not allowed to have fun! I have to check the measurements of your gear first so I can determine that for you!
lol

>>106022157
>some drivers are bigge
driver size doesn't matter

>a lot plays into how we perceive soundstage
based on what? your ass?
>a FR response doesnt capture that
if you hear something differently it means FR at your eardrum is different

>>106022500
doesnt matter what you say really, outside this 1% everyone knows techs are real, have your little hugbox paggie

>>106022567
and the 99% has measurements or any type of formal evidence that techs are real right?

>>106022168
what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>106022550
oh okay, one tiny problem: YWNBAW

>>106022580
you have to hear for yourself driver quality, the same way i can only describe to you a piece of meat

>>106022181
>and when told driver quality, diaphragm material, shell design and implementation of it all adds up to a system
but you are not basing this conclusion on anything. you have no data
you can only cope with your fucking delusions
>fr doesn't show distortion or things like decay or even dynamics.
distortion is measurable stop fucking mentioning it you dumb fucking retard
"decay and dynamics" are just FR
>how do you know what to listen for when you attribute everything to fr?
how the fuck is this even a question lmao?

>caring enough about Malaysian burger slut enough to seek out reviews of her newest slop
I shiggy you diggy.

>>106022400
bro if I don't see carbon nanotube infographic on the box I can't hear soundstage

>>106022567
99% doesn't even know what techs are

>>106022595
>not based on opinions
or else you get conflicting reports

>>106022583
I was looking at a buy link and thinking real hard if I should and I kinda don't think I should

>>106022595
You can measure a piece of meat.

>>106022595
>you have to hear for yourself driver quality
that's a cope out
if you can hear it it can be measured
>the same way i can only describe to you a piece of meat
your brain is a piece of meat

>>106022683
your mom measured my meat, she was very impressed

>>106022683
ok, *unzips penis* go ahead... measure it.

>>106022703
>>106022711

>>106022701
its unreasonable to try to dialogue with a malding tranny like you, best I can offer is funny pics

Driver quality is a delusional cope and doesn't matter
Soundstage is created via interaction between IEM's FR and your anatomy and depends on an individual
Stop being retarded, fags

>>106022738
wrong

>>106022738
thinking you heard an iem just cause you saw a graph is the cope, retard loser

>>106022734
you've said exactly zero reasonable things
you've been asked to provide base to your climes... politely
and all you can do is to piss and shit like a sub 60 IQ monkey you are

Whats retarded is having the same argument thread after thread because you can't accept people having a different opinion.

>>106022738
Soundstage is a signature Tanchjim 15dB 11kHz peak, Susvara also has it.

>>106022755 see >>106022253

>>106022748
wrong
>>106022752
nobody said that lmao
retard
>>106022761
measurement is not a matter of an opinion

>>106022607
goddamn you don't even know how to argue while talking about the actual subject matter. every disagreement has to be met with emotional shit flinging lol. you lost this engagement a long time ago, so grab a cup of coffee and shut the fuck up

>>106022774
Retard

still waiting on any form of evidence that shows better driver quality

>>106022764
half of the thread doesn't even hear 15k

>>106022761
There is no "opinion" about which GPU is faster, why do we pretend like there's an opinion about which IEM is better.
>but anatomy
We know what anatomy does.

>>106022799
Stop trying to debate with me idiot, Im not interested.

>>106022780
there's nothing to argue about tho? you failed to provide any evidence for your claims
we literally know what contributes to driver quality. It's FR and distortion.. that's it

>>106022809
bro only wants to debate the origin haver, but the origin haver is just having a laugh at these paggies

>>106022761
>anon shares opinion
>anon 2 shares contradicting opinion
>immediate thread derailing shit flinging
the only reason you don't see the same in other places is due to moderation

>>106022809
You're not debating, you're schizoposting. You love that shit.

>>106022809
you are the only idiot here
probably deaf poor and stupid too

>>106022815
why do you insist you are important or warrant anyone finding any info for you lol who cares if you believe anything, cope about it

I'm really confused can't lie...

>>106022830
You're the one schizoposting, you are trying to debate me without even knowing my stance on the topic. Truly obsessed and mentally ill.

>>106022843
release nora with my target

>>106022849
You have a concept of a stance on the topic.

>>106022861
Prove it debatepedophile

>>106022857
Only if it is identical to our Queen's target.

>>106022843
Release an IEM with Asano on the faceplate you wench.

>>106022891
Right, about that...
I can't say much, but let's just say I'm sorry.

>>106022914
No, seriously tho, the guy that mentioned the susvaras is not wrong, the treble is quite hot in origin

>>106022938
Our Queen's premium crafted art pieces have no flaws.
Do not cross the line again.

Buy coffee tips! It has the power to transform a meh pos into one of the best.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/1005005707617888.html

>>106022956
buy chink shit or eq for free
hmmmmmmmm

>>106022815
the lack of infighting within this general between edc pro and origin users is proof enough that the argument falls flat on its face in practice before the discussion even begins.
that's it.

>>106023003
EDC Pro is better than the Origin, better driver quality with much better bass impact and wider soundstage.
Ultimately, technicalities will change depending on who listens to them.

>>106022954
deliver this or no consoom

>>106022840
finding info? you are kidding yourself

>>106022444
trips of trvth

>>106023048
We're good on that.

>>106023095
tf did I do not buy a hype 4...

>>106022938
one treble peak won't influence soundstage by itself...
soundstage literally can not exist in an IEM. but people do hear where instruments play differently depending on IEM. So basically there's no other thing to influence soundstage but some property of a FR that tricks brain into hearing aa virtual soundstage. And is up to individual. You won't know what is it either cause you'd need to measure FR at the eardrum for a specific individual and it's rather problematic

>>106022956
I dunno why the won't just EQ lol and decided to shill some random chinese eartips...
but these tips are dirt cheap so maybe I'll but them next...

Trust the headpos user to have the most dogshit opinion on IEMs imaginable.

>>106023134
because EQ defeats the whole purpose
they're evaluating purely based on stock sound, no external additional help

>>106023128
the imaging on the truthear reds was hella wonky, prolly due to the 2DD tubing, then I went to HBB and it felt completely different, I hope you try some iems too anon

>>106023134
cuz EQ is too complex for youtube audience

>>106023172
chinese tips are external additional help

>>106023172
no external additional help
no those different tips dont count, stop it stop it stop it stop it stop it

>>106023128
welp. you're wrong. you should have started with the audio itself. not the system. talk about a shit mixed compared to a well-mixed track before you shit out of your mouth more.

>>106023214
a shit audio mix*

>>106023187
I dunno why would you attribute it to driver configuration first instead of your own personal anatomical characteristics.

>>106023198
>>106023209
ok admittedly i phrased that poorly
using EQ might not be possible for some
but at the same time using tips like this is also retarded since some might not like the comfort
yeah i'm an idiot

>>106023214
Elaborate

>>106023232
there's a million other tips to try lol just spend the amount you already spent on your iem
anything just not to EQ

>EQing when you can just adjust the treble by tip rolling
poorfags...

>>106023313
No orange tips. EQ it is then.

>>106023313
uhm, your Coffee Tips™ Xis??? You're never gonna make it. They can make your basic pos into the BEST

>>106023313
>no metal tips
yikes

>>106023243
a good mix has precise placement of instruments and depth. a bad mix is flat or collapsed, with instruments
being mushed together, no matter what gear you use.
spatial info is already baked in the recording when the audio engineer (or anybody doing audio work) places every sound in the mix.
subbass, snares and kick drums are always mono as a rule of thumb, etc.
an excellent audio mix already has the hard part done and it's up to the speakers to replicate it.

>>106023410
So a good mix sounds good and a bad mix sounds bad. What the fuck does this have to do with IEMs, which physically can't affect the mix in any way.

I don't want to sow panic, but do NOT zoom in on your music files.
It's dots...it's all dots...

>>106023468
The dots are an illusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIQ9IXSUzuM

>>106023468
huh, mine are squares

>>106023524
>>106023524
>>106023524