Why should I, a windows baby, install Linux Mint instead of Ubuntu? Ubuntu used to be the distro for new users. So, why do people shill Mint over Ubuntu these days? What happened?

Snaps happened

I think the general argument was 'Ubuntu is bloat'
How is this different from mint? No idea. Never understood the 'mint just werks' either, all the distros I tried, including Ubuntu, werked fine out of the box except one called LXLE or something like that, the installer failed on every PC I had at the time

>>106014971 (OP)
>mint
>outdated desktop environment

>ubuntu
>one time I tried installing a package and the entire system got nuked and left me with a tty automatically without a yes/no prompt

>fedora kde
>best distro for those who don't want to tinker/modify their system or use the commandline everyday
>and best desktop

>>106014971 (OP)
>Ubuntu used to be the distro for new users
~15-20 years ago
>What happened?
Snaps and some bad decisions

>>106014971 (OP)
You shouldn't use either of them. Mint's popularity is riding off 2017 memes and Ubuntu's popularity is riding off 2008 memes. All of the conveniences they pioneered in desktop Linux have long since become standard across all major distros, all without the outdated Debian base; there is no such thing as a "beginner distro" anymore, because Linux is just good now and there is no need to "graduate" to a different distro. Noobs and veterans alike will be totally happy with I'm not going to shill any particular distro because most of them do the same shit, with the use whatever the fuck you want desktop environment.

>>106015014
>Kde

>>106015064
>using ubuntu instead of fedora
>customized dolphin(?)
user error desu

>>106015064
This happened to me using some kind of jeet peazip clone except it bricked my cursor entirely until everything was closed
KDE instead remained functional, impressive

>>106014971 (OP)
adwaita and snaps.
>>106015017
Debian isn't as outdated as it was before.

>>106014971 (OP)
Linux Mint is backdoored and Ubuntu is in bed with Amazon (both well documented facts that you can lookup due to the backlash).

>>106015064
Post beef.

>>106015281
The counterargument for the backdoor will always be IT JUST HAPPENED ONCE ITS OK NOW
Pointless to mention, leads nowhere

>>106015281
>>106015350
wtf what backdoor

>>106015350
>but guys, their entire site only got hacked just the once and a fully backdoored ISO with a fake hash went out only just this once, don't worry about it
Gets me every time.

>>106015383
Their site got hacked and a fully backdoored ISO went out to the public for a while.

>>106015403
lol lmao

>>106015383
they are probably talking about this
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=2994
https://www.pcworld.com/article/419713/hackers-planted-a-backdoor-inside-a-compromised-version-of-linux-mint.html
even if we ignore the now more discrete undetectable backdoor that no one seems to have proof of, using an os that had such a stupid incident will always be retarded to me

>>106015423
>using an os that had such a stupid incident will always be retarded to me
same

>>106014971 (OP)
It's mainly the layout, but I have heard that Ubuntu can be a bit finnicky sometimes, but on the other end if you have AMD it does have the best first party support.

>>106014971 (OP)
You need to make canonical account for proper support since 22.04. Programs installed with snap are usually slow to launch, but it's not that big deal if you have normal ssd, some people mind, some don't. Both are somewhat bloated, but you shouldn't care much about that because if you are new to linux you have no idea what to install anyway, it's just more stuff to test and play with... Mint is better for personal use, ubuntu for professional. Also I wouldn't recommend distros that use wayland by default to new users, so just install mint. If you don't like it, you can always switch to something else.

>>106015581
>Also I wouldn't recommend distros that use wayland by default to new users
wayland is better on new hardware

Windows users asking Linux users for a distro rec is largely hopeless, because the two groups often don't see eye to eye. Remember 95% of PC users just use their OS as a bootloader for google chrome, they couldn't give a fuck about GNOME vs KDE or snaps vs flatpacks. Either you have the patience to test and learn or you stay on Windows.

>>106015618
Will it work with MouseInjector?

>>106015684
Nigga, are you posting from 2008? Windows users immediately fall in love with Plasma 6, and something like Nobara or Bazzite works for all their purposes.

>>106015763
idk what that is, but the kernel will definitely support it, yeah

>>106015809
It has to tune through Wine, btw

>>106015014
After a decade of Xubuntu, I installed Fedora Plasma 42 yesterday. There's been a bit of a learning curve, but so far, it's been a much more functional experience. Nothing has crashed yet and KDE functions and looks so good now. I didn't like the way it looked 20 years ago and had major stability issues the first few times I used it, so this is the first time I've used it since then.

Now I'm trying to set up a shared folder with Virt-Manager so I can transfer MS Office files with a Win 11 VM, but something's not working right and I haven't figured out what it is yet. I need Office for some things, LibreOffice is not a 100% compatible replacement yet, but I hope for that in the future. Also, Photoshop > Krita, as much as I like Krita.

>>106015581
>>106015618
>Core i7 seventh generation
>AMD RX 550 4GB
>16gb ram
>512gb ssd
Can my shitty machine run Ubuntu with Wayland or should I go Mint?

>>106015972
Don't use Ubuntu, literally anything else would be better.

>>106016004
this

>>106014971 (OP)
Mint is just Ubuntu without snaps and with a Windows-like interface. It's pretty good, actually
>t. Mint 22.1 Enjoyer

You shouldn't install either, you should install Debian. You're getting a diluted version of Debian either way, and neither ubento nor mint ever contribute to upstream.

>>106014990
just use flatpacks

>>106015939
this looks like shit

>>106014971 (OP)
>What happened?
Tablets happened. Windows ditched the desktop metaphor on Windows 8, and we all know what the clusterfuck that was, right? Wrong. Gnome chased that same path with Gnome 3 fucking shit so hard everyone forked it to a) keep gnome 2 (mate), b) make gnome 3 with a usable desktop metaphor (cinnamon), c) just fuck gnome and jump ship. Ubuntu chose c) and well double retard by making unity his own non desktop metaphor with weird tablet full screen app menu and assorted shit. That shit shat the whole flaming pile of shit that was linux, and from that shit came out mint which was ubuntu but with a sane desktop metaphor. That was when everybody jumped ship from ubuntu.

As for the jumping ship from mint I wasn't there when it happened, since after distrohopping out of my beginner's ubuntu onto mint, I just hoped away into arch, fedora, suse, centos. When centos was kill, I was busy working with the company's windows pc that I didn't even bother check what'sa good distro these days.

>>106014971 (OP)
At the end of the day Mint is just Ubuntu, and the latter is just Debian. Use whatever you want. People complaining about things that don't matter like flatpaks and snaps aren't worth listening to.

>>106016154
Zoomer, it's KDE3 on SUSE, it's like 20 years old.

>>106014971 (OP)
>So, why do people shill Mint over Ubuntu these days? What happened?
THE RISE AND FALL OF UBUNTU - A Short History
>2004
>Ubuntu comes along
>the goal: make desktop Linux not stupid
>not only can you install the damn OS without a terminal, you can also do everything else with the GUI
>Mission Accomplished
>...or was it?
>The Linux Mint team starts working on the Cinnamon DE, aimed to give a more Windows-like UX
>For the longest time, Cinnamon was superior to KDE in this respect
>Ubuntu countered with...Snaps and Amazon spyware
>Mint continued improving while Ubuntu became worse and worse
>Mint gets shilled as the "just works" distro for Windows refugees
>Fast forward to 2025
>Most anything with Plasma 6 also just works and feels more homely than Cinnamon
>YouTubers constantly make "I FINALLY INSTALLED LINUX" videos where they choose Mint because they're reading Reddit posts from 2018

>>106016339
>Still shilling KDE

>>106014971 (OP)
you install ubuntu mate instead.

>>106016400
Post beef.

>>106016667
Too late

>>106014971 (OP)
ubuntu has had some bad releases the last couple of years, usually, as long as you dont upgrade versions immediatelay after it releases, you're fine becasue they do tend to fix the worst problems within a few weeks. use what you want op.

>>106014971 (OP)
because mint is ubuntu done right my nigger.

>>106014971 (OP)
If you don't care that your os is spyware'd and locked-in to a corporation as long as it is convenient to use why the fuck are you even switching to linux to begin with? Stay on windows or fucking buy a mac if you want to be a hipster so badly.
I literally cannot comprehend canonical, novell and red hat cucks on this website, it's unreal.

>>106017437
*backdoors you*
Heh, nothing personal

>>106015014
This. Every windows user should be brought to KDE instead of cinnamon or gnome. It's a no trainer really

I'm gonna keep it a buck with you, bucko. Install arch. You'll only have to tinker and configure once, then it will just werk.
Any time I used ubuntu, some shit stopped working, mint sounds like the same to me even though I never used it.

>>106014971 (OP)
Mint is legit easier to use, and gives ux more similar to that of Windows ootb.

>>106017648
yes, Ubuntu backdoors you

>>106015014
Don't have to use the command line until you want to figure out why Chrome isn't showing up in discover even after enabling the repo

>>106018378
Ubuntu is safe

I switched from Windows 10 LTSC to Kubuntu last year. I am happy with it. I could probably use any KDE distro and be happy with it now. The only adjusting I'd really need to do is getting used to the package manager and frequency of updates. If I install something else in the future I hope the updates will not be constant. That's annoying.

>but all your packages are way out of date don't you want to be on the latest version of KDE why do you accept this blah blah blah

I just want to use my fucking computer.

>>106019035
You're allowed to refuse updates

>>106019035
>switched from Windows 10 LTSC to Kubuntu last year
Why?

>>106019061
I don't want to reject all updates. I also don't want to run a distro where delaying updates could lead to problems. Not being constantly pestered by them is more my problem. Ubuntu isn't really that bad in that respect. They do seem to come in waves though. Like you'll get a bunch of security updates one day, a bunch the next day, a bunch the next day, then a fucking kernel update that needs a reboot, then nothing for a long time. If it's urgent it's urgent I get that. But I want minimal unnecessary disruptions.

>>106019077
It was time. Microjeet is getting worse not better. I can do 99% of the tasks I did on Windows on Linux. I can say oh well to the other 1%. While 10 LTSC is a damn fine operating system, which I cannot say about Win 10 Home which I ran before that, it's probably the last they will ever make. If I stuck with it when I got a new computer I'd just be kicking the can down the road until 2032. Time to tear the band aid off. I also think it's fucked up that the only way to get a version of Windows that isn't an unstable piece of dogshit is to pirate it. I'm now using something that's free instead. The stability is similar. I am comfortable with it.

>>106015014
>>106015259
>>106015343
>Kde

>>106019157
Post beef.

>>106019157
>tfw no homely pajeeta kde gf
Why even live?

>>106016043
No, I want to use my native package manager (apt in this case). But that just calls snap now.

The team is working on a BETA release for Linux Mint 22.2

>>106019134
Some more bitching about updates. Rather than just letting me choose the frequency of notifications how about only notifying me when security updates come out? That makes a lot more sense. Also what's the deal with apt always "deferring" updates due to "phasing"? Bitch if I'm updating just go ahead and install them all. I manually install those every time. Why waste my time installing that shit later when it's ready to be installed now? It's just stupid.

>>106014971 (OP)
do whatever you want retard, youre going to end up on fedora anyways

Maybe wrong thread but let me try my luck here. I have access to an unfathomably old machine with Ubuntu 23.10 on it that hasn't been updated in ages. How do you upgrade and update on this distro?

>>106020694
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade
Then let 'er rip and hope nothing breaks
sudo dist-upgrade

>>106018617
never had this problem

>>106014971 (OP)
Both are fine choices. First time trying Linux, it might not stick and you'll probably try a few. It's just about finding what works best for you

>>106020694
>an unfathomably old machine with Ubuntu 23.10 on it that hasn't been updated in ages
are you a child by any chance?

>>106020779
Dist-upgrade wasn't found.
>>106020903
It's not supported anymore.

>>106014971 (OP)
in a world where arch exists and you can just go through the install script and have something that just works without any bloat, why is anyone even discussing any other distro?
the linux desktop has been solved, anon
move on with your life

>>106014971 (OP)
ubuntuu used to be the OS you installed for steam games showing up as the most used linux distro, but things have come a long way since and other distros have shown up to take that space.

>>106021197
>install script
I just want a pretty installer. EndeavourOS is Arch except it has a pretty installer and mostly the defaults I want anyway

I'm choosing mint for my proper main desktop because it's old hardware and I heard mint has the smallest overhead and is best for old hardware. I don't have time to learn arch.

Ubuntu I'm using for my media server because of zfs.

Let me ask that again and try my luck again. How do you update and upgrade an "end of life" distro?

>ubuntu is a server-grade distro aimed at devs and workers
>mint is a traditional desktop aimed at average joe

people shill mint because it purges snap, uses xorg instead of wayland and have an overall coherent look/feeling. also more people are shilling because left's favorite altright streamer; pewdiepie recently came out in support of mint

Mint Cinnamon or Mint Xfce?

>>106024596
Any of them. Then delete that garbage and use IceWM

>>106021756
What distro?

>>106014971 (OP)
It was relevant 15 years ago when all the others had shit GUI or none by default. Now it's just something that has echoed for all that time

>>106022226
>left's favorite altright streamer; pewdiepie
Funny
He did later install arch on his main pc too tough, I don't think he has mint anywhere anymore

>>106024596
Altought I like xfce and atleast they're doing some work to move to wayland, probably cinnamon for more complete desktop experience. I recently tried different desktops on my arch install and have to say that there really is just 2 actually good desktop environments: Gnome and KDE. Well never tried Budgie desu

>>106026016
>Kde

>>106015939
Bro is frutiger aero maxxing

>>106014971 (OP)
Generally you will be leaving one retarded company (Microsoft) to join another retarded company (Canonical).
They just keep doing retarded shit. Use whichever you want, I personally would not use Ubuntu however.
>t. OpenSUSE enjoyer

>>106019215
>But that just calls snap now.
depends on the app, dummy

>>106014971 (OP)
Ubuntu decided to get shitty and evil.
So, just like Firefox you need to use a fork of it that isn’t shit

>>106015383
Bro anything that uses systemd is backdoored. You are welcome. By backdoored I mean they can see into your system. There are so many backdoors that they can choose from once they have that information it’s not even funny. Do you have Spotify installed? That has a know backdoor that they refuse to close because it’s what they use to serve updates and they won’t patch it. Your cpu has backdoors all by itself, they just need to be able to read what tpm version you have first.
Captcha I shit you not: G0YGR

>>106026389
post beef