>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Building guide: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC&diff=55476&oldid=55400

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700/X, 7700/X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

>MOTHERBOARD
ASRock AM5 board issues are still reported; BIOS must be updated before CPU installation

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation/high-end: consider 2x48GB or 2x64GB

>SSD (OS drive)
Budget: SN5000, SN7100
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, used card
Midrange: RX 9060 XT 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: RX 9070 XT
Workstation: used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Budget: Corsair CX650
PSU buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27Q, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), PG32UCDP (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>105940279

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro (loud @ higher RPM), P14/Max (5-pack)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>106011672

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super specs: 5070 Ti Super 24GB, 5080 Super 24GB, 5070 Super 18GB

>Omissions
RTX 5060 Ti: Both memory configs cost more than 9060 XT 16GB for the same performance and half the PCIe lanes. Only buy if you need cuda or value GeForce features that highly.
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RTX 5070 Ti: buy if you need CUDA, if you value DLSS/Reflex that highly, and if the 5060 Ti 16GB or 5070 isn't performant enough.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.
Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
AOC Q27G40XMN: nice budget 1440p miniLED monitor but inconsistent QC.
Bad one causes DisplayHDR setting to look overbrightened and desaturated when applying the best local dimming option.

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

Avoid updating Gigabyte motherboard's RGB controller firmware, as it can disable board features such as Q-Flash Plus.

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

which is better for the gpu in gpu-z? the texture fillrate (core) is faster or the memory bandwith (vram) is faster? dont say both, just pick one.

>migrate to Linux Mint this year to avoid Windows 11
>I bought a 4 TB Samsung 990 Pro earlier today BEFORE coming on /pcbg/
Just goes to show you, never close /pcbg/

>>106027648
you've got plenty of time to become disappointed by linux and reinstall windows

>>106027567
Bandwidth is better for AI tools
Pretty sure fillrate is better for most games

>>106027669
;)

>>106027648
just return it
>>106018430
>>106020532
i assume you saw this earlier

>Intel removed from both CPU section
>AMD centric GPU section
what's the deal this time, i keep having to change my damn building plans
what did they fuck up now

>>106027729
Intel is in the cpu section are you blind. And check omissions in second part of OP for Blackwell gpus
Don't incite a brand war over nothing

>>106027729
The only use case for intel is if you want multi thread performance but you're also on a very tight budget
Best for gaming = AMD X3D
Budget gaming = AMD 5600x/7600x
Best for multithread = AMD 9950x+(3d)
GPUs are more of a toss-up, AMD generally offers better value but worse feature set and is shit if you want to play with AI tools. Nvidia has also been speedrunning their way to the bottom with this gen of GPUs, between stupid prices, poor quality control and their drivers being in the worst state they've ever been.

>>106027568

>>106027791
asking a simple fucking question is not inciting brand wars, please don't be this mind broken, I know what I said
>>106027807
So it's as I thought then, thanks for the confirmation
>tanking your entire production for muh AI tools
I hope they go bankrupt already fucking hell

>was suppose to came yesterday
>been 13 hours in out for delivery all day today
Jeeze what are these people doing, having sex with my packages?

>>106027815
>>106027568
rtx 5000 gets 0fps in dxvk 32bit games because it doesnt start

>>106027935
My 3090 doesn't have this problem. Is 5000 series really fucked with dxvk?

>>106027729
Intel was irrelevant since 2017 and did not make any actually good CPUs since like 2500K

>>106027985
when they dropped 32-bit physx, it broke other 32-bit shit. nvidia says it will be fixed in the next driver branch but its unknown when the fuck that is. next driver doesn't mean new branch.

>>106028086
>when they dropped 32-bit physx, it broke other 32-bit shit
They dropped 32-bit CUDA, which physx relies on, but dxvk is hardware agnostic so I don't see how the two could be related

>>106028135
the driver is complex. they removed multiple things not just cuda.

Critique my build please. I know it's unconventional but everyone says the graphics card is the most important part so I figured why not start there and slowly work up to getting better parts later.

>>106028278
AI removed multiple things not just cuda

>>106028299
>1 x 16 GB
but why

>>106028330
I've never played a game that used up all my memory before. Don't know how it even could. I'll never understand the people that are buying hundreds of gb's of memory it just sits there doing nothing.

>>106028299
>>106028350
>8500G
No point buying an APU if you're getting a discrete graphics card. All modern AMD CPUs include integrated graphics, if you just wanted a backup solution. Also, 8500G will bottleneck the fuck out of a 5080, let alone a 5090.
Spending $2800 on a GPU but not spending an extra ~$20 to double your RAM and be set for the useful lifetime of your CPU platform is retarded. This is also putting aside the fact that your CPU will run faster with two sticks instead of one.
Overall decent bait
If it isn't bait then you should see a doctor

>>106027729
Nova lake will be on a new socket next year so buying intel would be stupid. Zen 6 will ne am5. Nvidia has no good budget options. 9060xt 16gb is a much better deal than a 5060ti 16gb. The 5070 is basically the exact same card as the 4070ti and still 12gb and a 9070xt is significantly better for the same price. If you can spend $850 on a card then get a 4070ti. 4080 16gb is a retarded move when the 24gb will be out in 5 months and it costs $1500. The only nvidia card I could reccomend this generation outside of a 5090 is the 5070ti. The 5060s are all worthless and so is the 5070. When the 5070 super comes out it will probably be good value though.

If nova lake is actually good and they comit to at least 3 generations on that socket I will say go for it. But I will never buy intel again.

I keep getting random 3 second blackouts in my region, so I'm looking at a couple UPS. Question is, should I care about simulated sine wave vs pure sine wave? Are power supplies able to handle the simulated ones? Asking because the price difference between a pure vs simulated sine wave UPS is very steep, like 5 times at least with my available retailers

>>106028490
There's also the mATX case and 850W PSU to house and power the 5090.

If anyone wants a small secondary display there are some cheap HP touchscreens
Have to have thunderbolt or a USB-C port with DisplayPort
https://ebay.us/m/YIiYgh
Also needs a stand but its vesa or just get a tablet stand

>>106028510
I didn't bother looking at the case, my bad I shouldn't have responded
The PSU is probably fine though, I've been using a 650w with my 3090 for 3 years now.

>>106028510
The rest of the build is using no power so 850 would be more than enough.

>>106028499
>should I care about simulated sine wave vs pure sine wave?
yes. if you get simulated sine wave your psu will make a very loud clickity clack sound and you will think it's about to explode

source: happened to me during a thunderstorm when my power went out and i thought my psu was kill

>>106027426 (OP)
Are more expensive chips worth it over the 9600x if you are only gaming and doing basic desktop stuff? That single thread and core speed at that price seems hard to beat

>>106028304
>release ai drivers
>they completely destroy nvidia's reputation for having good drivers
sounds about right

>>106028299
Remove the 5090 from this and it's a solid build. Should be able to play plenty of games on the 8500G, it's about as powerful as a 1050ti. You could play red dead 2, warband, day z, etc in 1080p easily on that. You could get a gold+ thermaltake psu, modular, for $100 bucks though and save some money. Also just use the amd stock cooler. Whole build should cost you $446.

>>106028677
Integrated graphics especially needs dual channel memory, though.

>>106028601
That would definitely make me anxious, but is it safe? If it's at least safe, I can cope with odd noises, my blackouts last anywhere from 3 seconds to 5 minutes, I could probably handle it

>>106028695
no nigga it's not safe and corsair specifically told me to get a different ups to prevent any damage

>>106028687
For 2x16 32gb of 6000 cl30 it should only be like $90. So I guess round up to $500

>>106028687
What does that mean? Not trolling I really don't know.

>>106028695

>>106028601
>>106028695
PSUs don't give a dick about simulated versus pure. It goes directly to a bridge rectifier and fills a bulk cap.
It's why the vast majority are simulated sine with pure sine being more of an edge case for older equipment on linear power supplies or things involving AC motors

>>106028700
Damn, I'm also using a Corsair PSU, doesn't sound good
>>106028733
This is also insightful, I take it the UPS puts so much strain on the PSU that it might eventually kill it, but I guess replacing a PSU is still cheaper compared to literally everything else.
I'll gauge my options carefully with this in mind, thank you guys

>>106028704
2 sticks not one stick. For good 6000mhz and cl30 sticks it's still not to pricey. Though if I were doing an integrated graphics build I would go for a case that was smaller and couldn't even fit a gpu. matx is a way better deal than itx so I wouldn't change that as much as I would like to go even smaller. 8500G should be able to emulate ps3 and switch pretty well too. I don't think going to an 8700G would be worth it. I hope they make some new zen 6 apus.

>>106028783
me when i give bad advice and ruin someone elses hardware

Reminder that if you are wanting to upgrade the gpu of your system with a bit older system Radeon is the better option due to less driver overhead. If you are something like 10th gen intel or zen 3 it would be stupid to buy a 50 series gpu over 9000 for 1080p or even 1440p gaming, you will get less performance in cpu bottlenecked situations on GeForce.

>>106028816
>your system with a bit older system
*with a bit older cpu

>>106028816
It's not drivers, it's that the 5060s use x8 which means they are not a viable upgrade if you're on pcie 3

>>106028790
Literally everything I have is on a simulated sine wave UPS
Pure sine wave hysteria is not based on facts.
>simulated sine wave looks bad so it must be bad, I hear harmonics so it must be bad
That's literally the entire reasoning here.
Meanwhile your PSU would probably dutifully run on 120v DC if you fed it as such.

Learn how switching supplies work and see that beautiful sine wave immediately get destroyed upon entering the PSU

>>106028834
me when i keep doubling down on something i dont understand

what are some good 7-8 liter sized ITX cases to recommend?
smaller and lighter than my current SG13, at least
the K66 lite looks decent in features

>>106028847
You haven't refuted

https://community.se.com/t5/APC-UPS-for-Home-and-Office-Forum/What-s-actually-causing-my-PSU-to-buzz-crackle-when-on-UPS/td-p/474084

>>106028864
>magic box make sound
>this scare grug it must be bad
ok

>>106028871
https://www.reddit.com/r/homelab/comments/qd3nh6/loud_rapid_click_from_server_psu_connected_to_ups/
>totally safe sound
stay in your lane retard

>>106028787
>>106028733
The part about PSU wear out by stepped voltage is bullshit.
But APFC and UPS do work against each other, stepped voltage causes APFC to consume power in significant spikes, which might trigger overload protection on some UPSes even when average PSU load is way below UPS max.
>>106028783
>It goes directly to a bridge rectifier and fills a bulk cap.
>directly
Only in the cheapest shittiest PSUs made in 1990s

>>106028882
this is the exact same sound my hx1000i was making that freaked me the fuck out

>>106028903
>But APFC and UPS do work against each other, stepped voltage causes APFC to consume power in significant spikes
Is clearly isn't a universal phenomenon however.
My NAS which is using an 1300W EVGA G2 and and a BX1500M have zero complaints or noises when on battery backup. It consumes about 180-200w
The G2 is clearly APFC. 99.999% of PCs are APFC, it's a requirement for 80 Plus. UPS units are meant to power PCs and yet most are simulated.
Maybe not all PSUs are compatible but most are.

>>106028992
>le "works on my machine" response
you niggers are so retarded

>>106028510
it's all bait, why are you still replying

>>106029004
What else do you want?
My FSP Hydro PTM didn't complain either when I was using that same model of UPS. I only quit using it because it's undersized to power my main PC+monitor for any reasonable time.
IDK why everyone wants to think the majority of UPS units are just out there to destroy PSUs.
The level of paranoia is off the charts nowadays.

>>106028992
>Is clearly isn't a universal phenomenon however.
Exactly.
>might trigger
>on some UPSes
I've seen some recommendations that either PSU rated max power should be 20-30% below UPS rated max power or real load should be 2-3 times below UPS max power at the moment of switching to battery.
That mostly matches my worst case experiences, though SOME hardware did work just fine when PSU max = UPS max and load was approaching max.

i am having difficulty calibrating the m27p6 in sdr. the funny thing is in hdr the calibration seems perfect wich gives me even more reason to keep hdr on 24/7

How much does ssd speed matter?

>>106029270
The difference between any functioning PCI 3.0 NVME and the highest end 5.0 NVME is miniscule outside of copying huge files, comressiing/decompressing zips and editing raw 4K video
SATA SSDs are significantly slower, but still perfect usable in most cases.

>>106027426 (OP)
Is there really enough of a difference between VA and IPS panels to justify the prices of the ISP panels? I want to get a new monitor (32" 1440p maybe curved) but the price difference are huge.
I see a lot of people complaining about ghosting (gaming) in the VAs but those seem to be mixed complaints.

>>106029328
*IPS

>>106029338
All panel types are a compromise
TN = outdated and look like shit
VA = shit ghosting, often shit latency
IPS = shit contrast, shit backlight bleed
OLED = ACK themselves simply through normal use
Mini-LED = almost non-existant in monitors, shit for reading text due to reliance on dimming zones

>>106029270
it might matter in some cases >>106018430
it doesnt really matter for web browsing and gaming desu

>>106029376
Type of shit that makes me think the island gooks are not at all in touch with anything

>>106029484
Its justmsi things
Asus has had good collabs in the past with gundam, evangenlion and hololive

>>106029270
Do you do 8k video editing? If not, even a sata SSD is probably fast enough.
The jump to NVME just shaves seconds off loading screens at best.

Got my hands on a 4090. How worried should I be about the connector? I played a couple hours of CP2077 and it ran fine but it makes me a bit nervous. It's using the 12vhpwr from the PSU.

>>106029370
I think I am over thinking it. I just went with acer Nitro 27 Inch WQHD 2560 x 1440 IPS. It's on sale on Amazon right now. I got a 7800 XT in my PC and I don't really "need" a 32 inch monitor...

>>106029546
It will probably crash and you won't know if it's the psu or driver or windows, good luck.

idc what anyone says, I’ll always prefer an Intel processor over and amjeet ryzen
we NEED Intel to survive and make more processors! competition is a necessity! AMD Jews will raise their prices if Intel happens to go down!

>>106029669
I use AyyMD exclusively. And I think Intel chuds secretly prefer penis over vagina... I do agree. One without the other means innovation stops and prices sky rocket. Without Intel AyyMD prices go through the roof .. the same if AMD shut down, Intel would raise their prices as well.

>>106029669
im all for competition too but dont expect me to pay a single cent for a cpu with high latency e-cores and even higher latency d2d interconnects

>>106029376
Is there a Woody one or would that be too prone to housefires

>>106029735
Oh shit it's a whole themed build

>>106029762
>mismatched colours
my autism is triggered :(
and what a god awful motherboard, looks atrocious
the psu is cute though

>>106029669
I would agree with your shitpost unironically, but Intel sells their CPUs at a premium even though they're usually an inferior product. And even when they're better, AMD is straight up cheaper and with a clearer upgrade path if a new CPU comes out. I like Intel, but I don't see a reason to buy them right now

>>106029376
Needs a buzz case

>>106029546
Setup MSI afterburner and power limit it slightly. With Nvidia cards you can drop power limit by ~10% for basically no change in performance, minimal drops at ~80%
Less power and heat going through GPU = exponentially less chance of fuck-ups

>>106029808
265kf rapes the 9900x in multicore for $150 less

>>106029825
Lol intel thats so retro

>>106029567
27" is alright I guess. Any smaller than that may as well be a laptop though

>>106029270
Anything over pcie 3.0 really doesn't matter. If it can write faster than 1gbps you can't even download fast enough on residential fiber internet

>>106029879
some guy with a 40gbps internet connection will come here and tell you you're wrong

>>106029825
>intel
sorry I'm not poor and don't want to donate to israel

>>106029762
>Oh shit it's a whole themed build
If your a reddit tier manchild

AMD + Radeon build = Reddit tier manchild

>>106030028
fuck you goyim. if jerusalem falls, the world will end too

NVIDIA WON

>>106029567
Size really depends on how far you sit from it.

>>106030057
>AMD + Radeon build
they're called playstations/xboxes

>>106030115
yes, toys for little kids

>>106030115
consoles can run linux?

my 27" feels too small when I'm working on documents

>>106030125
consoles only run linux

>>106029669
I choose parts based on looks(including packaging) so I prefer Intel because I like blue more than red

>>106030146
can it run steamos/arch

>>106030115
I like my PC

>>106030237
A fucking FOOT.

>>106030146
No, they don't you fucking idiot
Nintendo's OS is their own and proprietary
Xbox's OS is their own and proprietary, based on Windows
Playstation's is based on FreeBSD

>>106030247
I love the foot. KDE is ok, but too bloated for me (out of the box).

>>106030057
>Intel + Nvidia = Faggot Normie Consoomer or Indian
>Ryzen + Nvidia = Reddit
>Intel + Arc = Brain Damage
>Ryzen + Arc = Schizo
>Intel + Radeon = Schizo
>Ryzen + Radeon = Real PC Enthusiast #Pewdiepie approved

>>106030260
I agree with this assessment.

>>106030115
>Somebody else likes something different to me Waaaaaah
People use AMD PC's cope harder faggot

>>106030255
trannies love consoles so it must run on linux

>>106030278
>people
children mostly on playstations and xboxes

AMD does love that PC community that beta tested FSR4 for them before they ported it to playstation

>>106030260
this is cope because AMD Radeon is by far the most popular brand on Reddit, real PC enthusiasts don't by hardware that is artificially gimped outside of gaming

>>106030314
real PC enthusiasts don't act like mindless NPC sheep and throw thousands of dollars at an nShitia product because
>muh favorite funny man on YooToob told me to!

>>106030287
You would be hard-pressed to find any hobby, community or interest that doesn't have trannies in it, including ones centering on killing trannies.

>>106030314
Real PC Enthusiasts are white men and Nvidia buyers are SEA monkeys and Indian because they are dumb enough to believe the marketing. I follow Indian Twitter for the lolz and I remember them all going insane during CES and believing it when jensen said 5070=4090 and they think mfg is magic.

>>106030341
I assume trannies are going to follow the most popular trends, like the rest of the NPCs out there. You can tell the NPCs buy what they shill
>Apple
>Nintendo
>nVidia
>Intel
>Mac OS
>Windows
Most NPCs have no inner dialog, no self-awareness... they're just human husks that consume and do and think what they're told by social media.

>>106027426 (OP)
should I buy a used 3090 for $500 instead?

>>106030384
If you want the VRAM for AI work then it's still the best value option. But 3090s can have seen 5 years of use by now, and many of them had production issues such as poor thermal paste application and underperforming heatsinks, as well as transient power spikes and poor memory cooling. So if you go that route make sure you stress it HARD while you're still in the return window to make sure it's stable.
If you don't need 24GBs VRAM then absolutely do not get one, get whichever modern card suits your budget and has at least 16GB of VRAM.

>>106030419
I do want to try random ai bullshit
and I'm in a 3rd world shithole (not indian sarr), even if I buy new it's still hit & miss if I ever try to use the warranty

>>106030443
Nta but, as a third worlder, shouldn't you be more concerned with the electricity use? Not to mention that you'll need a more expensive PSU to accommodate that hungry beast. Regardless, that seems like a good deal to me, the market is extra fucked outside the US

>>106030521
he should probably be more worried about dying from disease and starvation or if he pisses off his village warlord.

>>106030521
Many third world countries have cheaper power than the first world
Thank your government

>>106030350
why did you stop avatarfagging, Indian nicotroon?

there is an Indian tranny that sits in this thread posting tranny garbage all day because he personally is extremely butthurt about how devastatingly the RXT 4090 crushed AMD niggers hopes and dreams

>>106030602
4090 is shit though.

>>106030615
then why was there so much coping, seething, denial, and outright rage about the performance it achieved?

>>106030260
Sex Honoka

>>106030384
3090ti is better
most 3090s have bad vrms and coolers

>>106030602
Not as hard as it crushed those poor connectors.

>>106030677
3090tis are definitely better built but are a lot more expensive even used, and pull far more power, around the same as a 4090.

>>106030602
>>106030615
>>106030629
7900 XTX and 9070 XT with RADV driver on lLnux is faster than 4090 on Jeetdows

>>106030755

>>106030762
>t.

>>106030755
You are correct

>>106030784

>>106030784
>>106030789
>even third worlders know not to buy AMD
grim

>>106030820
Japan =/= 3rd you literal downs baby

>>106030754
yes its more expensive unfortunately but 3090tis can be tuned downwards to use far less power and you won't have to worry about vrms suddenly dying under load even when overclocked

>>106030755
India Saar is coping very hard

>>106030835
Neither of those are Japan and Japan is like 10 years away from being third world with the amount of pajeets they're letting in

>>106030384
just plug in the connector correctly

>>106030784
I don't understand the point of spending extra on "'cool" cases while also using the stock CPU cooler. Why not spend that extra money on an AIO? More flickering lights for the toddlers

>>106030969
it seems you dont understand how computer cafes work?

>>106030969
that case only cost $20

>>106030921
>Mash it in until it clicks
>Not a micron of gap between cable and card
>Cable still melts because the card still sees all the wires as a single blob and shoves 15 amps through one wire
Now what?

I need 128gb (4x32gb) ddr5 ram for my ai workstation.
budget is $400
I know quad ddr5 sucks but which is the best ram to go for?

>>106031224
just get 2x64gb bro

EuGOD here. What's the BEST gaming setup right now, monitor included that I could get for €2500 or less? Pure for gaming. No working, no AI, no video editing.

>>106029546
Get a modern 80+ Platinum PSU with at least 1000 Watts (1200W preferrable, I would go with Seasonic) and use the 12VHPWR (or 12V-2x6) cable that comes with the power supply. That's it.

>>106031260
are there white ones with rgb tho?
I only found black rgb.

>>106031224
If you have no budget, shoot for a Hynix-only bin like 5600C28 or 6000C30. Those run $700+ though so if that's not feasible just buy the cheapest 4*32GB kit. In all cases expect it to require manual tuning. >>106031260 is also a good idea if you can verify compatibility because 64GB DIMMs will either be running x4 config or (relatively) novel 32Gb ICs.

>>106031342
there are only bare sticks and black ones for now
whites might be available in a couple weeks

>>106031295
Investing it in crypto and waiting for the 10950xtx+10950x3D

>>106031372
Wouldn't it be the 11950X3D?

>>106031364
>if you can verify compatibility because 64GB DIMMs will either be running x4 config or (relatively) novel 32Gb ICs.
how do I verfiy that?
9800x3d with a mobo that supports up to 256 gb ram.(UDIMM)
>>106031369
>whites might be available in a couple weeks
ok guess I have to wait a bit more.

>>106031369
>in a couple weeks
since gskill doesn't even have them up on their site, expect to wait 2-3 months for them to release their first white 2x64gb kits

I need a new UPS, my current one screams at me when I try to actually use my computer (9700X, 5070Ti+P40). I don't really care how long it lasts on battery power, even 60 seconds would be fine. What buy?

>>106031415
Why would they skip the 10000 series?

>>106031425
Check the QVL. Usually under "compatibility -> memory" then filter by 64GB sticks. Ideally you'd get an exact match for the kit you're interested in because it's hard to tell whether any random set is running x4 (16Gb) or x8 (32Gb) and your board might only accept one of those configs. The fact that is supports 256GB is promising since that requires compatibility with at least one option.

>>106031476
nta but 11000 or whatever name comes after the next gen will probably be AM6/DDR6

>>106031372
No. I want my new PC right meow

>>106031484
is this list implying that the mobo only supports Crucial 64 gb sticks?

>>106031476
even=laptop/APU focused
odd=desktop

>>106031512
We are rapidly approaching the end of AM5 but there's still one more gen promised, now is the worst time to build.

>>106031522
The new generation will be overpriced anyway, and the difference will be marginal compared to the best of the latest. My setup is almost 10 years old so I won't wait anymore!

>>106031520
it only implies that that's the only kit they have tested and validated as working
currently, crucial/micron's 64gb sticks are the only widely available ram of that capacity class with samsung & hynix based 32gbit ram expected to come soon

>>106027426 (OP)
which motherboard for am5?

>>106031547
x870e tomahawk
x870e nova
x870e apex
x870 tachyon
b850 tomahawk

>>106031520
Not necessarily. Just that the only 64GB kits they (successfully) tested were Crucial. I believe Micron was the first to market with 32Gb ICs so it could be that they simply haven't tested other brands yet (assuming Hynix/Samsung 32Gb ICs are even available). The fact that it has no x4 DIMMs on the list would indicate they're not compatible so be careful buying "server" sticks.

>>106031536
>My setup is almost 10 years old so I won't wait anymore!
All the more reason to wait. Also should have got 5700X3D when it was $120 + shipping from china.
>the difference will be marginal compared to the best of the latest.
The point is to get ~11600X3D first and upgrade just the CPU to 15950X3D 5 years later so the platform lasts you another 10 years total.

Does pcpartpicker account for power spikes when it assesses if the PSU is suitable for your selected system?

For a budget build is it worth getting anything over 7600?

>>106031581
Or I get the 9800x3d and upgrade it 5 years later to the one you mentioned??

>>106031541
>>106031569
ok good to know thanks.

>Drops down to DDR5-5600 when 2 DIMMs of the same channel are installed
>Drops down to DDR5-3600 when 4 DIMMs are installed.
will I notice the difference in everydays usage?

Any monitor recommendations for 200-250€? Was planning around a 27" IPS but open for other suggestions as well. Don't know much about OLED and from what I've seen they are quite a bit more expensive.

>>106031607
yes ddr5-3600 is god awful since it also affects the speed of the memory controller in the cpu

>>106031630
I sure hope you're not planning to pair that with a 500+€ GPU, anon.

>>106031607
That's just the highest speed the CPU manufacturer is willing to warrant i.e. they won't send you a new CPU if your 4xDR kit fails to run 6000. The speeds are super conservative, for obvious reasons, but do give an indication of how badly 4 sticks performs vs. 2. Again, expect to manually tune any 4-stick config but 4800-5200 should be achievable unless you got extremely unlucky on the silicon lottery. Or, of course, just buy one of those 2*64GB Crucial kits.

>>106031642
Why not?

>>106031642
Why?

>>106027426 (OP)
I played this fuck ass wuchang game and my pc turned off and it wouldn't turn on untill I flipped the PSU switch? the fuck does this mean? am I done for? 5950X and 7800XT

>>106031708
More details sorry, turned off after like 20 minutes running and I have a corsair RM750x

>>106031654
>>106031661
Because you should be spending more of that money on your display and less on the GPU.

AMD drivers seems buggy right now on linux. My screenshots(full screen and partial) are sometimes blank. This never happened before on my 4090. At least the games that I play never crashes though.

>>106031755
What would be a good monitor for a rx 9070 xt?

>>106031803
4k tv

>>106031522
I bought am4 with a 3600 coming from a 4th gen i7 4770 and have a 5700x now. I think if you need a computer just buy a 9600x now and wait for zen 6 to get a little older so you can snag a decent upgrade. Or if you are low budget buy an 8500G and no gpu then upgrade even more slowly with a gpu and then a new cpu. Now is a good time to just wait for am6 and just wait for the nvidia refresh coming in 5 months. If you are on am5 already things are going to be really great with zen6 and with an 18gb 5070 and 24gb 5070ti on the way. Next year will be amazing for am5 owners especially ones who are sitting on a 7000 series. And if you still have a rtx3000 series next year will finally be the time upgrading is worth it.

>>106031599
It's like $10 more for a 9600x. Get that, it's better.

>>106031654
>>106031661
Hardware unboxed told him to upgrade his monitor

>>106031906
$48.50 difference in my country and I would have to buy a cooler

>>106031817
Unironically though, how well does the 9070 xt handle a 4k screen? I might go for a 34 inch curved one

>>106031943
I use a 48" 4k 60hz tv and I get 60fps in every game I've tried. I get 60fps in cyberpunk with raytracing on high. I get 60fps in last of us 1 max settings. Since I don't play counterstrike anymore I really care more about a huge screen with more pixels rather than more frames.

>>106031758
Are you using KDE? Spectacle? Wayland? Because spectacle has been having issues in that case for a bit now.

>>106031931
Weird. Yeah I would get the 7600 if that were the case and you wanted a gpu. If you're really poor honestly just get the 8500G, it's about as powerful as a 1050ti and could play a ton of games on 1080p with settings turned down. And it comes with a cooler. Here it costs like $150. If your overall budget is under $600 that would be my move. I used a 1050ti for a long time.

>>106031125
Document it happening and get back to me

can EKWB EK-Nucleus AIO CR240 Dark cool the core ultra 7 265k with OC?

>>106027426 (OP)
So i upgraded from MSI Z87-G43 to B760M DS3H AX (DDR5)
from i5 4670 K to i5 12400F

now i have two problems:
first i went for Crucial DDR5 PRO 6400 / 38-40-40-84. On the package it says it required 13th gen rprocessor. I5 i have is 12 gen processor. Speccy and windows detects this ram as: RAM
32.0GB Unknown @ 3192MHz (38-40-40-84). Its after enabling all that "extra latency" crap in BIOS.

Is this being "unknown" in windows a problem? I didnt notice any stability issues yet.

Second thing: I have 1050 ti installed. Could i upgrade it to get some total power increase in games like star craft 2, battlefield 1 and such?
Maybe an used GeForce GTX 1080 Ti?

>>106032630
nigga don't buy an old card that's about to lose driver support
get a 9060XT 16gb

>>106032630
Isn't SC2 a more cpu intensive game though? Although as the other gal said, get a newer card, not necessarily a much stronger than a 1080ti, it's about driver support.

>>106032664
it is also about 50% more powerful than a 1080ti

>>106032652
>9060XT 16gb
>>106032652
well its about 470 dollars here, id aim at 250 max for this machine

>>106032630
I told you about riptide mobos and 12400f oc with clock gen mobos years ago bro
you could have ran a 12400f at 5.2ghz and gained like 60-80%s in 1% lows and averages or whatever the shit was, old vintage meta at this point
this whole combo just cost 200$ ages ago before it fell off, has it even been relevant considering how cheap other cpus have gotten?
anyways

>>106032678
how many rupees saar

>>106032771
>rupees saar
im europoor, please consider sir

>>106027815
>1080p low settings
Now let's see max setting 4k.

>>106032836
AMD sirs can’t imagine playing anything but 1080p medium with their garbage gimped hardware

>>106031125
works on my machine

>>106032874
Yet works.

Will the 9600x3d just release already, it might be the meta for sub 1500 dollar builds

>>106032859
This is satire, right?

>>106032630
speccy is dogshit, i dont why people still use it
get hwinfo

is 4k 27 inch as god tier as they say?

>>106033986
Yes. Even if you use scaling to make things bigger the PPI increase still makes things look finer and sharper.

>>106034009
how does the clarity look in games?
i have only really seen 4k on tvs and that already looks pretty good, i can only image how much better games look on a screen the size of a monitor.
how does it compare to 1440p at 27 inch?

>>106034104
everything is crisp and edges are smooth but not blurry my nigga you'll never wanna go back

also 150% scaling on the desktop gives you that 27 inch 1440p feel but there's no blur it's so good finna cum just thinkin bout it ya feel me

>>106033986
lol no
and dont come back here to bitch about scaling if you go ahead with it

>>106034147
scaling is literally not a problem unless you're a poor retard still on windows 7 or some shit. stop trying to make this seem like it's actually a problem when it hasn't been for forever

Post things that scare poorfags

>>106034104
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tests/inputs/resolution-size

>>106034255
1080p looks better.

I think I might have ruined my mobo, every component seems to work on another mobo but it just won't start anymore on the previous one, no POST beeps. Nothing. While I do have a warranty I have a feeling it won't help since I might have ruined the PCE x16 slot or the chipset (somehow), either way I can't tell. what I really want to know is: Are mobo repairs for ASUS mobos (where warranty does NOT apply) for costly than just buying the same mobo again?

>>106034261
i'm poor btw, idk if that matters

>>106034270
are you actually trying to boot with full periphery including the monitor?
some mobos wont boot by default without valid video output

>>106034261
The N doesn't even properly connect on the diagonal stroke in the 1080p closeup photo. Also the screengrab is small. Look at this example from the 5K Apple Glossy Retina Monitor:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/apple/studio-display
At 100% it's sharp and smooth (also if you zoom while fullscreen and then grab the scroll bar and jerk it back and forth horizontally from the left-to-right really fast while letting your eyes go out of focus, the large RGB background subpixels still begin to blend into back into white).

>buy a big huge beefy radeon gpu
>plug it up, ready to go
>everything has frame drops
>everything stutters
>can't get any game to run smoothly
>track its performance
>it unironically just turns off at times, refuses to use the entire card in any situation
>spend hours reconfiguring settings, trying presets, overclocking
>still just refuses to ever do anything
>doesn't even need to turn its fans on it's so focused on doing nothing
>return it and buy an equally priced, but less powerful nvidia card
>runs perfectly without any actions on my end other than slotting it in
god I hate AMD

>>106032097
I'm using grim

>>106034296
You could easily boot into the BIOS withouth it, but no I don't get any video signal so there surely is something wrong it

>>106034391
(the screenshotter, not the player)

>>106034365
chatgpt can write a better shill greentext than that

Fact : The rise of Indians on the internet tracks with the increase of amd shilling
If you don't use Intel + Nvidia you're not white, simple as.

>>106034530
the real truth is
>The rise of Indians on the internet tracks with the increase of retarded arguments that boil down to being poor

>>106034530
>Intel
post hand

what is your current excuse for not building a pc?
mine is I'm waiting for white rgb 64gb ram sticks.
before that it was
>waiting for 50 series to be msrp - check
>waiting for new AIO - check
>waiting for new mobo - check
slowly but surley I don't have anything holding me back...

>>106034530
Intel chips haven't been good for years atp

>>106034675
Saving up money. 5070's aren't cheap

>>106034675
64gb ddr5 sticks (even hynix 32gbit m-die) seem to have really loose timings which is pretty disappointing to me...

>tfw no money for AIO this month

>>106034710
>he bought micron g-die
its ogre

>>106034710
>9950x instead of 3d
why

>>106034710
>6000CL36
eh?

I'm currently on an RTX 3060. Is this upgrade worth it for that price? I could sell the 3060 for about 210€-220€ in my part of Eurostan, Use case is 1080p-4K video editing and I game on a 1440p UW. I have a ryzen 7900 and 64gb of ram.
I have the free version of davinci resolve but will upgrade later this year to studio. Also use premiere pro and lightroom.
Is the 3080 12gb worth it at 388€? I'd rather get a 50 series GPU but the prices don't seem worth it to me.

>>106034677
Alder and Raptor Lake are and forever will be god tier releases.
>>106034710
Terrible literal everything, you should feel bad.

>>106034714
>>106034716
>>106034724
i just want to say that i didnt do any research, i just bought
and i think that the extra 150€ for my processor to say 3d at the end is a waste

>>106034675
Waiting for AM6

>>106034748
what you think is irrelevant, you are an actual tech illiterate

>>106034741
False, Raptorlake turned me away from intel forever as someone who's been team blue from pentium 4 up until Alderlake

>>106034763
followed by
>waiting for AM6 hardware to mature

>>106034776
im not an autist that wants to optimize everything, sorry

>>106034741
he's motherboard is good so he got at least one thing right

>>106034790
That's like a 3 year wait from now

>>106034814
yea but anon wanted excuses for not building a pc.

>>106034795
>i like wasting money
no wonder you are poor

>>106032630
>speccy
when was this garbage program last updated anyway? 2005?

>>106027426 (OP)
>consider the following

14500 and 13500 are manufacturer SKU's, for Dell, Lenovo pre-builts, etc. therefore ignore price - ebay will have comparable pricing.

>>106034739
>bulk
>"new" in 2025
>slovakia
uh you sure you can trust this seller?

what went so wrong for radeon this gen?

>>106034854
>used vs new

>>106034739
why bother

>>106034675
I was tracking the prices of 3 different cases and they all went up by 30%. I will not kowtow to the case cartel.

>>106034739
>>106034875
>>106034891
Yes I can trust the seller, they're basically the Best Buy in my region.
I'm considering bothering because I want more frames in some of the more demanding games I play and I like to have RT on when applicable. I played Silent Hill 2 remake that was typically 30-40 fps in most areas but there were moments where it dropped to under 30. I was playing with DLSS balanced. I'm looking forward to Silent Hill f but don't want to have my fps at sub 40 fps if possible. Either this, or I keep waiting to eventually buy a 5070.

>>106034836
in the last 2 years since it recognizes zen4

>>106034831
i want to be poor, money is worthless to me
it's fake and gay

>>106034878
no halo tier option which alienated their hardcore fan base

which is a safer bet?
>waiting for nvidia to improve gaming performance on linux
>waiting for amd to get AI support from developers

>>106034952
neither will happen in the next 3 years

>>106034963
I can't decide if AI gooning is worth 10 fps

>>106034952
nvidia is proprietary. that isnt changing on linux.

>>106034782
What are you scared of a little voltage? Literally all of the k skus are still powerful, even the i5 with tuning you're within like 20% of the x3ds in 99% of games.
>>106034854
Too close in price to the 13600kf (new). T sku is more expensive than a 13400f and basically the same as a 12600kf
>>106034878
They're still trying to catch up to the featureset and performance of Ampere is what went wrong. They're not improving fsr4 until at least the gaynigger6 comes out.
Source : My mind, and I'm right about literally everything.
>>106034923
3080 still isn't going to hold 60fps at 1080p in sh2

I'm a little cuck who couldn't escape Nvidia and bought this card for 1133 dollars. How hard have I fucked up?

>>106035025
>buy nvidia product
>come to /amdg/ and ask for validation despite knowing exactly what they'll tell you
mental illness?

>>106035025
I mean the card is fine but why the fuck would you overpay so much?

>>106027464
In my cunt, the 9070 is 100$ cheaper than the 9070xt. Is 100$ significantly cheap? What is the dollar amount that is considered significantly cheap?

>>106035025
isn't Zotac usually one of the cheaper brands?

>>106035003
Raptorlake is dogshit even without the degradation/voltage problem. Run a ue5 game? Turn on RT? That will be 200W of power draw goyim.
By the way, those 16 e-cores on die? They take up 80W+ of power by themself in denuvo games and don't even improve your frame rate

Do 10+TB hard drives ever go on sale?

>>106035082
I would look at the % difference in price then head over to techpowerup and see the % difference in performance. The 9070 will likely beat the XT, but you always lose price/performance moving up, so consider if you think the rationis particularly bas or not.

>>106035094
Rarely, but for the most part expect to be assraped if you want big storage.

>>106035086
>That will be 200W of power draw goyim.
Every tard is running a 360mm AIO and a 1000W PSU
No one ever gave a dick about power consumption

>>106035112
200W of heat over an hour of gaming is very uncomfortable to the human body

>>106035128
Fuss about GPUs first if you really care that much.
9070 is 220W, 5070 is 250W and they aren't even the highest end GPUs.

>>106035094
Buy refurbished.

>>106035161
running a 13900k in your system is like having an sli setup but at no benefit except maybe for feeling good for having intel your pc
7800x3d does the same thing but barely uses 45W

>>106035176
Refurbpill me. What should I know about it?

>>106035202
I just prefer intel processors, it’s the white man’s choice
too many redditors, techtubers, and poos shill amd, and I don’t like that

>>106035086
>That will be 200W of power draw
Bullshit unless you have an i9 but even then who gives a shit? Is the $5 over the course of a year a big deal to you?

should I upgrade to a i9 10900kf?

I found a good deal? I currently have a i5 10600k

>>106035205
Basically just used products but the parts inside are replaced. Think about refurb hard drives, they probably replaced the contact needle and the ports. They wont replace the disk tho i think

>>106035261
Yes I had an i9 and yes it mattered because >>106035128
Having to turn on the AC just to game comfortably is retarded when ryzen x3d exists

>>106035267
Depends on what you want to do. If you want one to overclock for fun or can use the cores effectively then its a really nice cpu.
If you're after more FPS in games then a platform upgrade is more effective for that

>>106031566

B850 Steel Legend is by far the best price to performance option.

>>106035267
not worth it, used 10900Ks are overpriced because it's the end game CPU on LGA1200

>>106035274
Horseshit
I9s don't even come close to 200w in most games (it's ~65W for GPU bound games and 110W for CPU bound in my experience
To also say a CPU is what is making your room warm implies you have a really low end GPU as anything mid-range easily produces much more heat

>>106035228
Intel is a dead half bankrupt company.

>>106035025
if its usd then you got scammed lmao

>>106035337
My fully unlocked and undervolted 13900kf uses ~195W in NFS Unbound on average. And that's only package power without accounting for vrm losses which Ryzen cpus include in their power calculations.
>room warm implies you have a really low end GPU
Sure if you count the 4090 as a low-end gpu. I ran it undervolted and it literally pulls less power than the undervolted 13900kf in NFS Unbound at 3440x1440 max settings lmao

Sorry anon but you bought a bad cpu. Its best to admit it and move on than to try to defend a garbage product

>>106035274
>Having to turn on the AC just to game
Your gpu already pulls like 300-400w though.

>>106035396
>350W (300+50) vs 500W (300+200)
One is more bearable than the other in a 28C climate

>>106035228
Thats so retro

>>106035383
>and undervolted 13900kf uses
What voltage/frequency?

>>106035418
>82 degrees
Kys euro sissy, those are early December temps

>>106035025
The super 24gb model will be out in 5 months. The msrp will probably be $900. 5070ti is only an okay deal if you find one for near msrp at like $800. I hope you bought the microcenter replacement plan so you can just kill this and get your money back.

>>106035205
I got my 10tb for $78. But they're data center drives so they are loud as fuck. Nowdays after they printed 14 trillion dollars globally in fiat currency in a two year period over a literal cold 10tb goes for like $110 though.

is a 9600x and rtx 5060 a good combination?

>>106035554
the pc will work with those, yes

>>106035461
>The super 24gb model will be out in 5 months.
nta but I really hope they're going to release it in november.
thought about getting a 5060 ti 16gb now and switch to 24gb at the end of the year.

>>106035554
Get a 9060xt 16gb instead. Nvidia has abandoned their budget consumers. $500 for the 5070ti 16gb is ridiculous and 8gb is just a garbage buy these days. 9600x is a great buy and you can just upgrade to a 11700x3d or 11800x3d in like 3 years when they're cheaper.

>>106035635
*$500 5060ti 16gb

>>106035418
>28C
lol
lamo even
14900k btw

>>106035673
lmao even*
I recognize that the 13900k/14900k also doubles as a space heater to help you get through the winter. That's one of its few advantages I guess

>>106035418
just move to a basement and you wont have that problem

>>106035673
Yuropoors don't have ac and if they do it's one of those piece of shit indoor units. They have shittier car ac too.

>>106035696
i know many people with a standard AC and see apartment complexes with them everywhere, but that's just my anecdote

>>106035025
> 1133 dollars
You could have had the SOLID OC, the better card for less money.

>>106035083
Not this gen. MSI has cheaper models, louder and hotter.

>>106034923
Don't waste any money on a 3080 in 2025, it's not worth it.

>>106035883
>>106035883
>>106035883

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106034710
> 120mm air cooler for a 16 core
I strongly recommend an Arctic LF3 420.

> CL36 RAM
Are you trolling us?

>>106035944
i plan to buy corsair nautilus AIO next month
i dont know what CL36 means

>>106035959
Cl36 means slower and cheaper. You want cl30. You should be able to get 2x16gb 6000mhz cl30 kits for ~$90. Just buy a thermaltake if you want an aio. They're like $56-100. Or buy a big thermaltake air cooler like a peerless assassin 140. You don't really need an aio unless your case has shitty airflow.

>>106035999
thanks, i guess i'll return the ram and order new sticks

>>106035999
Sorry, thermalright not thermaltake. They make multiple aios for extremely cheap. Thermaltake makes good cheap cases and psus.

>>106035893
What do you recommend instead? I would buy an ARC B770 but Intel is shitting the bed on both the CPU and GPU fronts. I'm not interested in AMD. I guess I'll be saving for a 5070 then.

>>106036194
The only thing worth buying under $500 is the 9060xt 16gb. Wait for 5070s refresh because it will be 18gb. The current 5070 is cucked and barely better than a 4070s to the point that they may as well be the same card. Nvidia abandoned the 60 series after the 3060. The last good ones were the 3060/3060ti.

>>106036337
I think I'm just going to keep waitfagging it for now to see if Intel releases the B770 later this year. If they don't, then I'll see what the landscape is like once the supers drop.

>>106036388
If all you want is a 60 class cards performance you should also be looking for the zen6 apus. The 8700G is as good as a 1660 super and the strix halo is as good as a 4060. Zen6 will probably have an apu as good as a 5060 and as a poorfag you could probably just skip a dedicated gpu that way.

>>106028496
different anon but if I want to do both gaming and video editing and maybe 3d modeling do i still buy the 9060 xt or just suffer with the 5060ti/5070ti?

>>106036416
I mean true, but I also need a GPU for video editing. In that respect, my 3060 is serving fine for work. I'll just see how long this lil' guy lasts because with the transformer model of DLSS, even using the performance mode on 1440p, it looks decent.

>>106036442
There is a $300 price gap between the 5060ti 16gb $500-550 and a 5070ti. $800-900. If you can afford a 5070ti that is what you should get. Video editing is actually much more cpu intensive than gpu. Gpu is really only used when applying effects for most editers. The 9070xt is currently the best value card in general and should work but I would look at your program specifically to check for compatibility. For video you want lots of cores, lots of ram, then a decent gpu. Gpu is usually least important for video editing despite what you would think. I would go for a high core cpu, 64gb of ram, and just an alright gpu if you're talking budget for video editing. 5060 should be fine for that as long as you're on pcie 5.

>>106036465
I used my 3060 12gb for years and only just got a 9070xt. I'll go back to nvidia probably on the 6000 series. Hopefully competition will make them have something with good value again.

Is it worth it to get x870 if in future i will upgrade to the last am5 x3d cpu? Or do i stay with b850?

>>106036948
Just stay on your current board and only upgrade for a deal like the 5700x3d was on ali express for $150

>>106036988
Im asking for a new build.

>>106037035
Lmao wait for am6 or drop in an x3d dipshit. If you're absolutely itching for a new build do an 8700G itx one for a living room controller console

>>106037058
AM6 is 3-4 years away.

>>106037288
Oh no what will you do

migrate
>>106035883
>>106035883
>>106035883