Lunduke went on to say that ID verification is a must in order to stop the swarm of AI bots that they're going to flood the internet with in order to force id verification. Thoughts guys? Do we really need id verification every where in order to stop the ai bots?

lunduke is jewish and retarded

>bots and scrapers ignore every law known to man for decades on end
>"if we make another law their nigger ass won't have a choice but to bow to my rules"
Not a journalist, no relations to technology, probably living on an american airbase and being paid by an alphabet soup agency

>>106030343 (OP)
Good fucking idea. In fact, ID security can help identify hackers and racist posters (AKA this site) & prevent moral corruption of society at large. I hope to God this passes. You fuckers deserve everyhing that's coming to you.

we're honestly 50% of the way there with fingerprinting and cloudflare shit

>>106030357
you just hate him because he exposed your favorite linux pedo eceleb

FOSS already survived kicking out Russians
It will survive the pedocaust

The only way to fix the dead internet is to not use it. The only way you can verify if someone is real is to see it with your own eyes.

>>106030343 (OP)
How is ID verification going to stop anything?
>Please present your ID to log into the internet.
>*shows ID then runs bot*
If you ever get banned you can just buy Jamalius's ID for $20.

>>106030343 (OP)
He is Jewish. Of course he is going to give mouth service to anything that oppresses the goyim

ai bots are only a problem for social media companies, they can solve it themselves using any of the available methods

why would I have to verify my identity just to connect to the internet? that makes no sense, it's not even technologically feasible since hundreds of individuals can be sharing a router, and at the very least your isp already knows the identity of the account holder anyways

>>106030455
That's what I already do when ID is required lol.

>If they have numbers on the username and critizise me, they are bots
Lol, that's simply someone creating temp account to voice their opinion against.

I would say that his dead internet "concerns" show part of the true issue.
> Views, likes
> alogarithmic trending/featured
> Monetization, ex ad-companies place higher value on such account "influencers"
> Bot services are linked to shadow markets, simply they make money on it

>>106030343 (OP)
I saw this absolute faggot jew pushing this and throwing shade on Linux being a pedo bar. Fucking Hasbara agent bitch!

>>106030343 (OP)
Most services require phone number verification nowadays thats pretty much the same. Internet deserves a nuke would be better after a deep wipe.

>>106031179
I still don't support child rapists, troon

>>106031284
I have a better idea
>government would be better after a deep wipe

>>106030343 (OP)
Gotta be honest, I figured real world ID shit for the internet would've been like a slow trickle over the course of like a decade instead of this fucking crash course.

>>106030343 (OP)
Genuine question.
How to create a digital ID without ruining privacy?
Some kind of encrypted Mac address id for each device? Encrypted driver licenses with one-time keys for each website?

In the past month, with the UK id verification requirement for coomers and redditors, i noticed that 90% of the people complaining about it are useless despicable trash.
In my opinion, those are all people who love to rally to destroy and censor you, but suddenly are outraged when they themselves are affected by the dystopia they support.

Normies complaining about ID verification is on the same level as leftoids complaining about AI scrapers """DDoS""""ing their platforms.
You are only experiencing a tiny fraction of what yourself inflict on others.
Someone who already had to battle phone verification, won't be affected by ID requirements, because the platforms who will require it, aren't useable for him for years already anyway.
Someone who had to battle actual DDoS attacks, because he wanted to run a website without cloudflare, isn't going to be affected by an AI scraper.

>>106031315
By making a government platform that does the verification and hands out oauth-style confirmations.
"Privacy" nowadays is about making sure that only the government has your data.
Think about SSL: You are protected against MitM attacks - unless the government is doing it, cause they have root certificates. It's the same here.
Think about EU laws like the GDPR in combination with DSA. Nobody else should have your data, but at the same time, platforms are required to collect your data to hand it out to the government.

>>106031356
The gays are kinda fucked then, no?
We've already seen that LGBT-rights aren't eternal and every western nation is just one election cycle away from going back to the "being gay is a mental sickness" era.

>>106031305
>I figured real world ID shit for the internet would've been like a slow trickle
It was:
>email getting centralized
>phone verification normalized
>fact checking
>covid vaccination passports (did you know they could be online validated?)
Compared to how far reaching covid passports were, this is a minor stop.
It was a constant push going on for a decade.

>>106031385
yes, if you are a pawn of globohomo, you will eventually get sacrificed.
If it helps them in a war against China, they would do public executions of every faggot.
Like in a scenario where they need chuds to enlist to die for them, they would suddenly pretend to be full right wing and readily smash the skulls of every LGBTQ+ person.

>>106030343 (OP)
No. AI bots exist because the current centralized internet ecosystem incentivizes bad actors to abuse the centralization to reach more people.

The answer is simply to retvrn to P2P and take control away from centralized authorities. With P2P you can take approaches like BlueSky does to allow individuals to decide whether or not something is allowed to spread further.

For example, if you see a post, you can magnify (retweet) that post to people you follow.
If you see a reply to your post, you can choose to disengage with it (block) so that it doesn't spread to your followers.

>but that causes echo chambers!!
It would have happened regardless. Echo chambers are a symptom of immaturity, not a result of technology.

>but reach! algorithms!
People will make their own algorithms. Talk to a guy who's really autistic about a certain kind of content. Ask him to check your content out. People who follow him will find out about your content if he likes it.

The centralized internet is just a crutch for not having to actually talk to people.

As a chud, i am not affected by ID verification for normies at all.
>oh nooo, i can't go on Facebook without doxxing myself (???)
>oh noooo, i can't coom to incest and interacial porn without doxxing myself
Take a gun to your head and pull the trigger.
All those platforms you whine about losing, were not accessible for anyone with a soul for over a ten years now.

>>106030343 (OP)
SHUT IT THE FUCK DOWN

>>106031416
Microblogging and algorithms and followers and shared blocklists are a dead concept in the first place.
The failure of BlueSky, after the failure of mastodon, is yet another proof of this.
Just make a forum based on a subject, it's not that hard and it worked. From mailing lists to newsgroups to bulletin boards, it was a concept that simply worked.

>>106031297
Fucking teen pussy is based, old hag!

>>106031485
a 7yo isn't a teen

>>106031485
>torturing a little child is based!
yeah, for some reason i don't feel bad for you having to verify your identity on your normie platforms

>>106031497
Bootlicker faggot.

>>106030343 (OP)
yet in the video Lunduke is against it, OP got baited

>>106031504
which boot?
The boot you are licking and that is now crushing you?
I am not on your retard-platforms. I watch as outsider.

>>106031489
Half of just born, plus 7 years.

>>106031473
>muh algorithms
>muh blocklists are evil, nvm, they dont work ahaha
>muh troonski failed
>haha did i mention bluesky failed
Total death to the amerimutt and morons downstream from the mutts politics.

Let me guess, you conveniently forgot to mention the original failed alt-social fediverse and the youtube alternatives. You know, gab? rumble? bitchute? You know, those places I bet you still get shilled on a daily basis between black rifle coffee and chuck norrises' health program advertisement slots.

>>106030343 (OP)
No. We just need to rangeban the third world.

Obviously the government should facilitatte real id verification as an option
Then websites like 4chan can opt in to it and ban non-ids from posting.

websites who dont mind bot spam can then allow chatgpt posters to roam free if they please

>>106031473
>microblogging
I'm talking about a general purpose architecture for social networking services, which would include the likes of YouTube, Twitter, and Faceberg.

>forums
Forums are gay because they're like a micro kingdom for some dumbass janny

>shared blocklists
Shared blocklists are extra gay because they're like a centralized moderation system which would be wholly unnecessary if the system was designed to limit automatic reach magnification correctly

By simply not being complicit in spreading troll content (your peer pretends it doesn't exist so your followers never find out about it)
Peers can also automatically trigger a slow-mode which requires bots to complete increasingly difficult proof-of-work challenges.

BlueSky and Matsodon are in my opinions, failures because they only pretend to be P2P. They don't P2P hard enough. Every single phone needs to be it's own peer, managing it's own resources.

>Identity verification vs AI
You don't think that this arms race will get even worse? Unless you're willing to live in a surveillance state that will make Mossad and the MSS loose all the blood in their bodies from such a massive hard-on, there's no way this will work. The AI will simply get these credentials.
>They're going to flood the internet with bots in order to force invasive ID verification, the only way to stop it is by giving them invasive ID verification
This is like claiming that the only way to prevent them from forcefully raping your ass is by inviting them cordially to sodomize you. What the fuck is wrong with people.

>>106031519
>You know gab?
>It has algorithms and follow functions and failed
>Therefor your statement that algorithms and followers and and shared blocklists are a dead concept is wrong
You left-right-brained retard deserve to get shot.
What is even worse, is your disgusting dishonesty, where accuse others of being politically obsessed, while you go on a political schizo rant about mutt politics because i listed BlueSky as an example of a failure, after you promoted BlueSky.

>>106031315
It's impossible.

>>106030343 (OP)
wasnt this literally the plot of metal gear solid
predictive programming again?

>>106031545
>"hahaha bluesky failed"
>....
>>fuck mutt politics
>....
>"everyone who seems through my superficial arguments is a left-right-brained retard"
>"nooo you cant point out i'm a deranged mutt"
>"actually, you're the politically obsessed one"
>"nuhuh youre promoting bluesky having called it troonski"
>"everyone on 4chan is the same person"
Mental illness

>>106031537
>for social networking services, which would include the likes of YouTube, Twitter, and Faceberg.
I don't think we need "alternatives" or "replacements" for any of those.
The very purpose of Facebook is to doxx yourself and share your RL, facebook will perfectly exist with ID requirements, because they have that already.
Twitter is wrong as a concept, because it is fully based on outrage baiting and actively discourages discussions.
If someone likes the microblogging concept, he will stay on twitter, ID verification won't stop him, because again, twitter already locks down accounts and limits their reach if they aren't doxxed.

I don't need an alternative for something that is inherently bad. It's like asking for an alternative to colon cancer.
What i want is subject or hobby based discussions like forums and newsgroups did it. If you don't like those, cool, then lets think about improving that concept.
>your peer pretends it doesn't exist so your followers never find out about it
Which is shadow banning with extra steps.

>>106031575
kill yourself

>>106030343 (OP)
>Stop the AI bots
Yeah. Ban AI. Nobody wanted it or asked for it, it's only a problem to be solved and we solve it by banning it and if necessary liquidating the people and CEOs who made it.

>>106030343 (OP)
The data breaches that'd come about if this guy had his way are going to be funny.
>>106031575
>>"everyone on 4chan is the same person"
We are all the same guy, though.

>>106030343 (OP)
What a retarded take, fuck that guy.

>>106031582
I think we need alternatives to all of those because people are complaining about not being able to use them.
>Faceberg
The purpose of faceberg is to connect directly with your friends and family, something that a third party doesn't even need to involve themselves in. Instead you're constantly receiving updates about total strangers you should connect with. When was the last time anybody you know actually used Facebook?

>Twitter [...] outrage baiting
That's because it intentionally magnifies the reach of the most insignificant literal whos and dumbass corporations.
Nobody wants to be on twitter to talk to people on twitter.
Hell, I only use it because artists I follow use it. And I'm forced to scroll through oceans of irrelevant bullshit because of network effects.

>hobby-based discussions
One guy who's really autistic follows a bunch of people and you follow those people directly, and they follow you. Even if you fight with the autistic guy he can't disconnect you from the group but he can ignore you.

Is being schizophrenic in public yelling about the gangstalkers also a form of shadow banning?
All of my analogies are just lifted directly from the real world.

it'll gatekeeper major websites and encourage people to make their own.

>>106030343 (OP)
not like this bros have they not seen the roasTEA leak?

>>106030455
just use AI or video game facescans

>>106030343 (OP)
I hate this retarded jew

In my opinion, the "dead internet" problem is because of normies. Normifying it even more will just kill off what little remains of the old internet.

>>106031315
Its possible to create an abstracted multifaceted system that is open source, standardized, and works. Few want this because its hard to profiteer upon or fuck around. I don't believe we need any sort of real world ID online and it is far too easy for things to be done in a shitty, privacy invading way however it could be done in decent ways. Essentially all you need is...
>Gov't who already knows your identity info runs one server.
You essentially run a version of a GnuPG style connection with them which spits out that User AnonEMoose wants a token to verify they're legit. After providing the right keys and other certs you get a token back from gov't that basically says "This user is legit, here's pack of anonymized identifiers so we'll hash the name as temporarily Herp1 and give him DerpToken1 through DerpToken10". So at this point, one way hashing means that even the gov't doesn't keep arecord that Herp1 is AnonEMoose , and the next time Anon requests he'll be Herp53 or some such and will get BerpToken19 through 29 etc.
>Next Anon takes his new identifier and tokens to the site that needs ID verification.
Submitting Herp1 / DerpToken8 randomly to the site, the site then hashes them and submits to a Govt Verification server. I've got this guy who says he's legit. Does this hash align with any tokens you generated?" "Yeah, it does that's one of my guys he's cool". The identifier and token pair is then crossed off as used, and the site never knows who the user is, only that they're verified. Likewise, the verifier server doesn't know which of its users was going to that particular site. There's also another potential layer you can add to this but in general its perfectly possible to have an anonymous, ID verification system that's private, FOSS, standardized, and cheap to run and free-as-in-beer to use, but there are a fuckload of vested interests against this shit running smoothly - they WANT surveillance and lockdown

>>106030343 (OP)
government are the ones running most of the bots, and yet somehow the government adding an age verification is somehow going to stop them?
what a ridiculous premise

>>106031733
not him but I have absolute confidence that it can be done correctly, I have zero confidence that it will be done correctly.
There are too many competing incentives. It will never happen so we should never push for it or pretend it's even possible.

>>106031665
>we need alternatives to all of those because people
Those "people" are the people who made the internet shit. If you invite them to whatever you want to build, this will become shit inevitably as well.
>That's because it intentionally magnifies the reach of the most insignificant literal whos and dumbass corporations.
>Nobody wants to be on twitter to talk to people on twitter.
That's on microblogging as a whole. None of the alternatives managed to be different, despite trying. It always had the same outcome.
Microblogging is for people who want to argue with others, while not actually arguing. It's a normie-conform "i was just pretending to be retarded". You can shout out whatever garbage you want, without the danger of getting dragged into a discussion where you have to stand your ground, at worst you get ratioed by a snarky reply, so you block the one who did it and he can't do it anymore.
I don't even know a single person in real life who uses twitter or any of its alternatives. For me, microblogging is all fake and gay. I don't use it. I don't want it. And i know nobody else who uses or wants it.
All its popularity is manufactured, like when some journos embed tweets in their online articles or someone posts a screencap on 4chan. And they ALWAYS get more engagement as a screenshot somewhere else, then on their very own platform where they wrote it. You get a twitter screencap thread of someone who got 10 replies, and the thread gets 100 replies.

And this reposting only happens to - again - avoid having to stand your ground. A journalist who embeds a tweet with idiotic war propaganda, doesn't have to justify himself for pushing retarded war propaganda, he is just reposting what someone else wrote afterall. So he can't get sued for libel either.
>One guy who's really autistic follows a bunch of people and you follow those people directly
That sounds like a vastly inferior and more complicated way to get only a fraction of the usefulness of a forum.

J*ws just can't help themselves.

>>106031733
>>106031315
None of those questions has to be asked, because we already had it with vax passports.
So yes, it is a certificate a government entity signs and that anyone else can verify offline.

It's like you guys collectively forgot CoViD.

>>106031537
>P2P
Social media for lack of a better word, requires discovery. This is why
>Decentralized / Federated
can work, but
>Distributed (aka totally P2P)
does not. The Distributed stuff only works if you already have out of band ways to know everyone you want to interact with. That doesn't work for social media in any sense of the word. That's even before we talk about the difficulty of each individual hosting their own node on a technical level with all that entails (depending on the features and depth of the system etc). Distributed has its benefits for many types of P2P applications, but social media is not really one of them. There have been some that try it, but almost all fail or have very, very small user bases - even smaller than low profile federated/decentralized alternatives. For social media people want to be able to interact with others not JUST existing friends or friends of friends.Sure they want the latter but they want to see whatever obnoxious thing someone posted somewhere and then retweet it to their friends with commentary. They want to browse and scroll through random shit - the fact that Tiktok has grown at all is evidence that so many want or at least are conditioned to want a continued stream of ADHD bullshit etc. With a complete P2P thing, there's no way for them to hear about the new trend or video or whatever the fuck if one of their friends, or friends of friends etc.. is aware of where it resides on the network.

Federated alternatives (ie Fediverse platforms) tend to be the better choice and act as harm reduction IF they're made well vs the centralized, proprietary, corporate social media. However that's a big IF and they can be improved
>>106031582
Many of those ills of social media are designed that way. Twitter is designed to ragebait because its "engagement" for advertisers; Facebook is made for data mining because thats what Zucc wanted etc. Out of room

>>106030343 (OP)
The only thing that will stop AI is to unplug the servers. All this other shit will nothing. Can only guess, like most modern "journalists" he's a completely retarded dullard looking for clicks to justify his useless profession.

>>106031770
Crackheads are going to be crackheads bro. Politicians and their followers are not a demographic.
I think the idea is to prevent your hobby-space from becoming a crackhead-space.
Tons of good things happen on Twitter. It's apparently where all of the cyber security and reverse engineering stuff happens.
The advantage of microblogging platforms is that you can have multiple interests and only one identity.
You can't do that with the kind of forums you have in mind.

If I was trying to have my hobby account on P2P twitter I'd have every response go through sentiment analysis for filtering and trigger proof-of-work challenges once it starts getting expensive.

>forums
Forums succeed at attracting a certain type of person and are easier and more functional in every aspect, but fail at network effects, and soon will be totally unreachable due to AI slop SEO clogging search engine results.
I know I've seen tons of fake forums just lifting content from stack overflow.

>>106031665
>>hobby-based discussions
>One guy who's really autistic follows a bunch of people and you follow those people directly
You follow a person, not a subject.
The person is likely to be also interested in a different subject that you aren't interested it. Maybe he is obsessed with shilling for one side in some foreign war, so you now have war propaganda in your feed.
If you have a soul, it will be very had for you to find someone who has a 100% overlap with you in all interests.
Following a person is only useful if you have no soul. If you are a sheep that has a collective opinion shared with everyone else.
>And I'm forced to scroll through oceans of irrelevant bullshit because of network effects
go figure

>>106031865
>Politicians and their followers are not a demographic
That's why i think that microblogging is fake and its popularity manufactured.
If you remove those, what is left?
>It's apparently where all of the cyber security and reverse engineering stuff happens
I can't talk about reverse engineering, but when it is about cyber security, microblogging had a negative impact. Especially because of personalities who people unquestionably follow. There are lots of bad security practices or outright lies being shilled, unopposed. Meanwhile if they would right a lengthy blogpost instead, you could engage with it in a meaningful way, as long as the blog allows comments. There is also the recent concept of "if a platform locks you into a centralized controlled space, it is safe".

>>106031830
Check out a project called Veilid. They're making a P2P application framework that solves the CGNAT problem by making it possible for every peer to act as a relay to other peers.
They already have a working chat application in pre-beta.

>out-of-band
Yes, the intention is that the graph is difficult to grow. That's the primary defense mechanism against bots.
But isn't that how it is? The entire internet is an out-of-band communication mechanism. You go on 4chan to see a twitter repost of some dumb shit a youtuber said.
People are going to be on multiple platforms. This just gives them a semblance of control over what they look at.

>>106031899
I mostly use YouTube so I'm used to the idea of people casually having multiple identities that are entirely separate in content. That effect is driven by advertiser income though.
I don't think forums will survive as a concept, so to allow people to rally around a subject instead of a person, I think we may need to bifurcate the follow mechanism. For example, "I follow you but only when you post about this subject"

>>106031950
>I think we may need to bifurcate the follow mechanism. For example, "I follow you but only when you post about this subject"
So basically tag based.
Having tags instead of boards, a requirement to tag what you write and a good filter, so you can do "everything from A that isn't tagged with B".
Which is funny, because the whole hashtag thing was the initial attraction of twitter, before they focused on algorithms and following people.

>>106031947
Those two particular fields have conferences so it isn't as bad. People can talk mad shit all they want on the internet but if they can't make an hour long talk their opinion probably isn't very important.

>>106030343 (OP)
Only complete imbecile idiots believe id verification can stop AI bots.

>>106031988
Yeah. It won't completely stop crackheads from going into other subjects and going "nooo u can't talk to this guy he does X!"
I'm not sure about the best way to solve the "ma'am this is a wendy's" problem.
I mean AI could easily solve the problem but it sounds expensive.

>>106031769
All we can do is push for something better otherwise if the only ones putting forth any effort are the ones who want the corrupt incentives of course it will end up in their favor. I know its tiring but the alternative is to forfeit and let them make things even more shitty than they already have in yet another way.

>>106031805
>COVID19 passports
I purposely avoided this shit because it normally gets all the /pol/yps inflamed and yeah, the EU version as I understand is pretty close to what I described but I could be wrong as i'm not from there and didnt' look closely at their implementation. I do remember some of them being in FDroid though so that was neat to see.

What I described was more or less done in certain US states too (but NOT others) ; my (blue) state had a FOSS Android app (though it also spit out QR codes, regular web pages if you wanted them etc.. you didn't NEED to use the app) that did what I described above and even had a privacy valid
>Turn on your Bluetooth and WiFi and anyone else your phone passes in the past 7 days who has the same or a compatible app will be notified if you find out you're positive and hit the "OH SHIT I GOT IT" button, leading them to get a "Someone near you has reported they tested positive. Please be careful and get yourself tested" sort of message. Likewise, you'll be notified if you passed someone else who hit their button
all while keeping it anonymous. So yeah, it can be done absolutely and it can even be verified against all the conspiracy fuckery.

>>106032020
My main issue is that someone will try to corrupt it. For example, what if I demand through subpoena the server logs of a particular website?
Websites are required to maintain logs in many jurisdictions.
I will learn the account associated with the hash and be able to form a connection between the identity and the account.

>>106030421
You are right. We also need state verified books- if the book is not on the list into to the furnace it goes.

>>106032047
You sound like a nu 4chan retard who is bit too serious to be taken seriously am I right?

>>106031950
I'll look into it, but there are a LOT thathave done something similar and it typically doesn't work out so well at least in terms of social media functionality and usage. Here's one example
https://getaether.net/
Even has a form of discovery due to "tags" of sorts and each client basically relays things along to other potential peers. Aether is basically defunct since 2021 it seems (or at least its not updated). https://scuttlebutt.nz/ is another distributed setup (they call it decentralized but its peertopeer), with a couple of bootstrap public rooms, but besides that it depends on you connecting to people and them connecting to others etc. It has been done before. I don't think the issue is technological really - its more social.

Its hard enough to get around the inertia of social media where everyone else is already and discovery is easy. Even federated alternatives that have both technical and policy improvements (ie Mastodon/Pleroma/Misskey etc..) are more difficult to convert. Hell Bluesky only got as many adherents as it did when the social REEEEEEEE about Musk led to exodus, and Bluesky had a fuckload of money and despite ATProtocol being theoretically federated, Bluesky is defacto centralized. People get annoyed enoughg moving from a
>Centralized, everything is on one server
like Twitter or Discord even when its predatory corporate garbage compared to better alternative
>Decentralized Federated, multiple servers but interoperable
like Mastodon/Pleroma/Misskey or Element because A) its harder to do all the same shit without corpo billions and centralized control. Element not having ALL Discord's features on day 1 because it has to make them work with e2e encryption still means some people fuck off back to Discord because it didn't have eleventy billion built in meme reactions or B) shitty moderation, the big one. Bsky does this too where users make big lists of
>Problematic people, pre-ban them + all who friend them

TBC

>>106032090
>posts something serious
>gets serious answer
>lol no I wasn't serious the entire time
lmao I guess I made a mistake putting in effort for a guy who posted like 300 words
I'll see myself out since clearly you don't want to discuss things. The problem you're trying to solve is similar to the registration issue in challenge-response protocols btw good luck

>>106032020
It was never anonymous.
Neither does it have the purpose to be anonymous. The government has your identity or measures to check your identity if they want to.
It's the good old "privacy" concept of: "The government knows everything, but at least nobody else can."

In your case, of contact tracing apps, in the best possible implementations (which is what Google implemented in Android), everybody has a unique random key, it gets shared with everyone who you pass by and when someone reports that he has CoViD, this key gets broadcasted to everyone, so they can check if they saw it.
Everything needed to track you, would be a traffic cam with a phone strapped on.
Meanwhile other implementations, like the ones from the EU, straight up tracked you on a centralized server.
>i couldn't talk about this because of /pol/yps
Congrats. You successfully censor yourself and avoid talking about dystopian measures, because admitting that such measures already existed would give a point to the other side.

>>106030343 (OP)
>Do we really need id verification every where in order to stop the ai bots
No, hashchan demonstrates an alternative architecture that limits bots while preserving open access

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5HJdXJ2p8g

Github.com/hashchan/haschan

>>106032120
The person we both were talking to, is castrated by his political obsession.
While he does want to honestly talk about a specific issue, he has to check-out as soon as it hits a certain point, because his obsession with MUH POL disallows him from touching it.

>>106032148
>hashcash
yeah, i am sure those huge government run AI datacenters of the size of Manhattan full with GPUs will have issues solving a little hash challenge in order to shill propaganda

>>106032113
It's not very privacy friendly, but SMS/RCS kind of does what we want it to do.
A lot of people have unlimited text and data.
A lot of apps also just have access to your contacts for some reason.
Could it be possible to create a front-end to RCS chats?
an extended iMessage?

>>106032148
Github.com/hashchan/hashchan *

Its also necessissary to have anonymous comms for good training data

>>106032178
Thats not how it works, it judos the deepstates budget to pump crypto with its information warfare operations. They have to pay $1 for every penny you spend to maintain narrative dominance

This method also bypasses cloudflare, its at its core emancipation technology from the democide machine

>>106031356
>By making a government platform that does the verification and hands out oauth-style confirmations.
Thats the only way possible to do it safely, but it puts plenty of trust in the government as the government would spy on anyone using any website.

>>106032113
>aether
I like the ephemeral idea. I mean they're totally wrong about how it's gonna turn out, but the fact that people can't dig up stuff that becomes controversial years later is a plus.
The moderation angle is disappointing.

I don't support federation because of issues you mentioned.
To solve network effect problems we may need something like Grayjay to allow people to post their original content on multiple sources. But you run into ToS problems and people trying to shut you down.

>>106032047
>Subpoena
>Logs
Just like a lot of FOSS encrypted applications, you can subpoena whatever you want and find nothing usable on the servers. This happened to Signal and Proton both, among other implementations. First, many places log very little if at all but even if they did it can be full of basically useless stuff for an investigation into identity.

>I will learn the account associated with the hash and be able to form a connection between the identity and the account.
Putting aside that it may be possible no data would be kept nearly long enough to see anything , between the segregation between the User's PC, the Identity server, and the Site host's checks will get in the way. The temporary identity may not even be kept nor its relation to the hash aside from "Yep, I made some valid IDs and Tokens". Assuming decent cryptographic design that prevents relay attacks, has PFS, has a nondeterministic output etc.. and otherwise is well made , none of the systems involved would "know" the other user/accounts involved or could even prove they were involved in any way. That's the core point here - no part knows what the other is doing, or is given the pieces of the puzzle to prove that they're related. Other encrypted systems with cryptographers far more skilled than I have already done this sort of thing and there are many examples. The only real issue is ensuring things are done the "right" way to not introduce vulnerabilities

>>106032247
yeah that's a lot of maybe though.
Speaking of Signal and Proton we really didn't know anything until the subpoenas actually happened.
In a closed source vendor's system, of which there will be a lot, you can't make any guarantees about their implementation. So it'd be best to pretend that the site host is a non-conforming actor.

>>106032121
>anonymous
This is more splitting hairs over the definition. Within the context of the application I was talking about it qualifies. Some hypothetical world where people are living off the grid in a shack isn't really what's being talked about here in either the COVID19 example or the larger discussion over ID verification.
>Gov't knows everything but nobody else
Yes we live in a society etc.. this isn't about the gov't knowing "everything" but rather they know basic boring shit, everyone is always paying attention and mad at them (legitimately or otherwise), and don't have the same vested interests as private industries do in this regard. So harm and attack surface reduction makes it a better alternative than giving the exact same info they already have to private corpos needlessly who have vested interest in squeezing every bit of it for profit.

>contact tracing
I'm not familiar with the EU setup; I'd be curious how "centralized" the tracking was and what was on that server, if the apps were all FOSS, and the relationship between user info and data etc was handled. Google's implementation you mention (which was not just Google or Android, but varied based on individual States choices to create their own apps that used a standardized and interoperable API) and those related worked out well. I'm not sure what the reference to a traffic cam with a phone strapped on means? I mean yeah completely independent of any COVID19 contact tracing a gov't could track people via traffic cameras or over cellular towers etc?
>/pol/yps
I talked about the technology and the issue on its own merits. I simply decided not to highlights that similar approach were used during COVID19 to avoid derailment by tourists and other culture warriors reflexively hating any implementation if their brains shut off into HURRDURR VAXX BRO SOIANCE 5G 2 WEEKS style nonsense. Not sure what "other side" or "dystopian measures" ; rather, the opposite was viable.

>>106032229
I think Federation is the best possible outcome for anything even close to "social media". Unlike distributed/P2P it has good discoverability with not having to rely only on users, but gets the benefits of servers and connections to other servers so it can compete with centralized platforms on scale, yet has the benefits of self (or other) hosted interoperable platforms. This is also the only way to AFFORD that scale; consider joinpeertube.org ; its one of the few realistic alternatives to YouTube in that the costs of hosting all that content can be spread over tons of servers and also gets the benefit of users with WebTorrent(but doesn't depend upon them exclusively). It does all this without needing any crypto bullshit or demanding you stick to a certain kind of monetization or the rest - its up to you how you want to run your PeerTube server be it freely accessible to everyone, with or without ads, or only accessible to those who have subscriptions etc.

In any case, the main problems - like censorious pre-moderation (ie blocklists that affect whole servers and their users) can be dealt with by having non-shit server owners, but even better would be to have users demand that the latest version of Mastodon or whatever other platform be updated to remove the highest server block status; the one that keeps a server's users from being to go to/interact with that server or the people who have accounts there. There's NO reason for such a feature to exist when the step right below - basically taking it off your Universe feed entirely so its invisible to your users "at home", but they can still "go there" and seek it out - is more than enough. This stuff can be fixed and combined with admins who choose not to be assholes, its a much better alternative than megacorp social media and the best choice for harm reduction I think if people seem to want "social media" style sites.
>Grayjay
FUTO's monetization is part of the problem but yeah

>>106030343 (OP)
>Tech Journo
*Jew

makes about as much sense as saying you need age verification to leave your house because kids might go to a porn shop

just card them at the porn shop

>>106030343 (OP)
He's not wrong. The problem is the governments of the world will never roll it out correctly with privacy being the focus so it will end up being abused.

A simple zero knowledge proof system that lets you claim to be, say, A US Citizen without sharing anything else would be immensely useful, but the reality is you'll have 10 different (((private sector))) identity providers who will be hacked and leak your ugly ass selfie to beta cucks on /g/.

>>106032767
That is the dumbest argument anyone could make to that subject.
The fact that children aren't allowed into RL porn shop is exactly what is being used to shill the ID

>>106030343 (OP)
The ai bots are going to have all the data you entered to 'verify' your ID.
It will change nothing except give more control to corporations.

>>106032785
Basically, the problem is that we aren't living in a high-trust society and we have to consider malicious actions everywhere where abuse can be possible.

>>106032808
And you would ID them at the shop, or the club, or when they try to buy alcohol. You don't ID everyone as soon as they go outside, that would be stupid and unconstitutional in freedomland.

Just retards like you trying to push all the responsibility onto the government instead of following common sense.

>>106032413
>is more splitting hairs over the definition
If your government can track you it isn't anonymous.
That is really very simple. No hair splitting possible.
If your COVID tracking app gives the government the power to track you, you aren't anonymous.
No matter if its OpenSource, no matter than other random people can't use it.

This whole disingenuous bullshit of "privacy by being under government control" is newspeak and you should never even acknowledge it.

>>106030343 (OP)
There is no single concept I despise more than some kind of universal digital identifier. Fuck off. I'll die alone in the woods before I do it.

>>106032813
The Internet was never high trust and was always a chaotic shithole with malicious bots. The ID thing is a sound auth tool to filter out most bots. New meta would be ID theft of course, but just like how hashcash style rate limiters, it would drastically slow down bots.

>>106032413
>I'm not familiar with the EU setup; I'd be curious how "centralized" the tracking was
It happened on Microsoft Azure servers. Which then got hacked.
>>106032815
>And you would ID them at the shop, or the club
And the UK IDs everyone when entering pornhub. So at the location where they want to enter. Not when accessing a wordpress blog.

>>106032842
And the UK does id verification wrong. Their shitty government should have set up some IDP service at a minimum. What the UK and most US shithole states like Texas, rolled out is the worst possible solution.

>>106032855
>they do what i propose, but they do it wrong
You should be more honest to yourself.
What you are doing here is the passive aggressive twitter roastie behavior of taking the arguments, that are in favor of something you disagree with, and mirror them to claim that those are actually arguments against it.
>It should be just like RL. ID verification on adult websites is necessary, because in RL you would also verify and deny children entry to porn shops, bordellos and gambling
what you do
>It should be just like RL. In RL you don't get asked for your ID every time you step in front of the door either!
The best outcome you can achieve with such a strategy is:
>yeah, you are right, we should not ask people for IDs as soon as they connect to the internet, but when they visit porn or gambling websites! This seems to be something we both agree on, lets compromise on this!
Which then results in your opponens getting absolutely everything they want.

>>106032905
It should be required to even connect though. We live in a world where bots directly harm more than just people's fee fees about porn. The only fair solution is government issued digital ID and attestation of said ID to browse the Internet. If you won't accept that, you will get objectively worse non-governmental solutions forced on you.

mister "own the libs" lunduke is in favour of ID checks online? wow, who'da thunk

>>106033144
no he isn't,
but he did epically own you by baiting you into concluding this from an intentional clickbait headline

Congrats, you are a retard

>>106033319
i'm so retarded for not giving a fuck about what some faggot jew online thinks, please forgive me anonymous-sama

>>106030438
you missed the point because you're a jew

>>106033512
Thanks for bumping this thread to bring even more attention to Lundukes clickbait video, so that people can watch it.

>>106030343 (OP)
good. i support this. ID verification kills jeets and bots. it also kills traffic in general. commercial internet dies. social media dies. jewtube dies. online advertising dies. normgroids finally FUCK OFF and the internet goes back to small exclusive underground clubs for incels.

>>106031416
That sounds very nice in theory, but it will never work.

>>106030438
he's just another jewtuber who used the woke right for personal gain

>>106033748

>>106032925

>>106031435
>Oh no, I can't let them think about anything other than porn, please keep thinking about porn, only porn, we are only trying to save your from porn... but while you are at it, just don't post anything that we disapprove of on the internet, otherwise we will have to punish you.

I'm pretty much done with the Internet desu

>>106030455
Internet ID will only make sure lawful people are not doing "bad" things. Every single evil doer will still be sending at least one bot to do their bidding. In special, the governments will be sending hordes of bots to influence people for elections and they will have almost no competition.

>>106030343 (OP)
I mean yeah, a proper trustless, logless proof of humanity verification token (can also be proof of being over 18) would fix a lot of the internet. It also would make moderation much easier as you can require a token and be able to ban tokens.

>>106030455
>$20
Economically unfeasible. Also would still greatly reduce total volume by 99%.

>>106034962
im not a glownigger. im a 36 year old chud.

>>106032925
I will use my ID checks to run a VPN and then make a big deal about it on HackerNews if you harass me until the retards at a place like HE or PIR hire me.

FUCK YOU dumb faggot.

>>106030455
>yeah uh let me just find 200 000 Jamals and pay each of the the $300 that they now charge due to high demand for their ID so I can run a small bot campaign
RETARD

>>106030343 (OP)
Here's for all the retards who vouched for this kike because he's "le based right wing conservaturd"

>>106030343 (OP)
Won't make a difference since most bots use legitimate users' connections via backdoor proxies. Source: I had to work on banning them from my imageboard.

>>106030455
>How is ID verification going to stop anything?

"hello, your ID was used to post spam, you are now banned from using our services".

Same as user accounts, it's just that they want it automated because right now bots can create user accounts too.

>>106030343 (OP)
>ID verification
This is unavoidable.
Literally unavoidable if there is a free internet left it will be AI bots 99.999999999999999% of the time.

The internet was never made to last.
Anonymity was a dream.
Now we are waking up.

The internet will be corporate shit only. The internet of the 90s and 2000s is dead and never coming back.

> muh bots
The media is going to be awash with this and every other excuse under the sun for implementing IDs ont he internet.
The establishment only wants this so they can selectively monitor, blackmail, and remove dissenters online.

>>106035563
Just don't use corporate stuff. People dumber than midwits can't handle the rest of the web, it requires too much personal agency.

No need for ID checks. Computer literacy is its own IQ test.

>>106035747
Let's say you don't use corporate stuff. Let's say you use billybob's web site hosted on his podunk server. How is uptime possible when it's spammed by bots? Or just used by a lot of people? Billy will consider a CDN to help distribute the load, and then that CDN can add the ID layer on top.

It's over.

>>106035747
LOL what are you?
ChatGPT budget edition ?

Either way the FBI will swarm every forum with their bots. It is literally over the internet was never made to last.

All you will get is the endless chatGPT spammed free internet.
And the locked down mega spyware that tracks your every step app net.

This is not even debatable. IT IS OVER.

>>106035563
there will still be AI bots, getting millions of IDs is piss easy for government agencies (which are responsible for these spam attacks in the first place)
we will have a 99.999999999% AI bot internet and you will also go straight to jail if you reply anything bad to the honeypot bots as everything will be automatically surveilled.
welcome to the new world. expect the words "democracy" and "freedom" to change meaning in the next few years. you will have nothing left besides a euthanasia booth 5 meters away from your (rented) home.

>>106032148
>>106032210
this makes the most sense as a solution. bots cost practically nothing to run. In fact, it probably costs less than a 1/1000th of a cent to run a single bot. In contrast, just consider junk mail. I think we can all understand that junk mail should have some prohibitive pricing.

I've been getting a Spectrum Internet ad letter about every WEEK for the last FOUR YEARS. That means Spectrum has spent an upwards of $300 just to advertise to ME. That is fucking insane if you really stop and think about it. I'm just one person.

>>106036404
>IDs is piss easy for government agencies
?????
Did I fucken imply otherwise?
The GOV net will be full of AI bots.... only they are all 100% GOV AI bots.

>go straight to jail if you reply anything bad to the honeypot bots as everything will be automatically surveilled.
Yes.

Also
>reply anything bad to the honeypot bots
What?
What retro futirusm is this?
No the nu-web browser will monitor everything you say and send it to the goverment. Even it is you talking to your real life friends all will be reported and analyzed.

Also if you say sometihng unaceptable it will never be send. A AI will take over your acount.

So lets say you want to say
>I have my doubts about the vaccine
You hit send and this never arrives and is replaced with
>Just got vaccinated
and a AI will take over your account. All the people you are talking to will be replaced with AIs and you think you are red pilling your friends and family and they are all on it while you are only talking to gov AIs.

Forget about phone calls since AI can perfectly copy voices in the future.

And make pictures and videos.

Then the gov sends an euthanasia squad for you while your AI persona will clam to move to Spain or something and give year long photos and video evidence that you live now in Spain.

Or it will say you died form global warming or something.

This is the gov side of things.
The best trick the goverment ever did (in the time frame of 1990-2030) was convince retards to all go on this internet thing and abandon real life face to face communications so zoomers and other generations think it is normal to only talk over the government internet.

There will be no revolution.
The government was made by the government for the government since day 1.

1984 was a fucken utopia to what we will get.

Where's chaos anon when I need him. YHWH SUPPORTS JEREMY BICHA! FUCK LUNKIKE, THE ARCHKIKE OF "LINUX YOUTUBERS"

>>106031356
your oauth style confirmation is still fingerprinted you fucking retard

>>106030343 (OP)
If they made it so a 3rd party verifies the identity and once it's verified there's no way to connect a specific person with a user account anymore, then it wouldn't be a bad idea.

>>106037511
>it wouldn't be a bad idea.
Yes it would.

> so a 3rd party
>The 3rd party corporation will not sell or give this data to the government
LOL.

>>106030343 (OP)
okay I'll ask the obvious question
why is DIT a problem? what does it matter, what are the ramifications on civilisation

>>106036239
If you weren't a talentless hack you'd make your own forum.

remember to round house kick your nearest politician that supports digital identification

So, how much is this fruitcake getting from the FSB each month?

>>106030397
>being paid by an alphabet soup agency
Yeah, K.G.B.

>>106031406
>yes, if you are a pawn of globohomo, you will eventually get sacrificed.
He says, praying not to get conscripted and subsequently mulched in his pedo midget's war of nonsense.
Glavset prostitutes are the lowest form of subhuman shit.

>>106036576
Indeed one they got their ip rotator and their meshnet hooked up to their local models its trivial to 100x, 1000x, or as we've seen at important moments 10000x the post rate of real anons.

For anon public forums giving ones eyeball to altman or their fingerprint to the eurocrats is a non starter. Itll be a 5 year push, but itll remain one of the nost accessible and resilient options

>>106035563
The problem isn't ID verification, it's that every site has to implement it manually using a third party who will abuse their data.

It should be set up as something ISP level so sites can just check a http packet to see if the user has a valid license or not, something like SSL.

>>106039176
AI can be used to just as easily remove retarded posts. They hasten their own demise because AI can be used against them just as easily.

>>106030343 (OP)
What a load of shit, this is about totalitarianism

are you fucking faggots all bots yourselves?
why the fuck have been getting raped by picrel for two fucking decades now?
this whole id bullshit is a complete fucking farce with painfully obvious ulterior motives

>>106030438
Lunduke is a Jew and a Zio

You and him are pedophilic

Is the OP aka Lunduke a fed or paying mods for a thread ad slot? Or does his shill posts never get banned because he's a Zionist Jew aka a /pol/tard?

https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857139
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857152
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857164
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857197
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857214
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857238
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857287
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103855766/#103857301
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103585860
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103585921
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103538026
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103466704
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103434055/#103445216
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103429665
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103403579
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103319204
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/103343066

>>106040442
wake up chat new mass reply bypass just dropped

>>106030343 (OP)
ID verification won't help unless we build a Border Firewall. China and India and any other retarded third world (non-US) country will just hand out IDs to AI scammers.

>>106030343 (OP)
>Tech Journo

you're a Jew who spams retarded propaganda 24/7 and supports the mass rape and mass murder of gentile children in lands that you want to steal

>>106031665
>I think we need alternatives

The solution to Jews is simple, anon.

>>106040377
>>106030438
you're both kinda right. Lunduke is hit or miss and he can go miss me with this mossad wet feverdream as with most zionist trash but he still sheds light on some cancerous angles in the Linux/FOSS sphere while also appreciating the history of computing in general and he even loves BeOS. I loved him since the Linux Action Show and the first Linux Sucks talk so i'm just not gonna stop following him entirely. Rather him than Brodie or Nicolas, at any rate.

>>106040715
Lunduke despises FOSS. He's the most stereotypical shill there is. The only cancer is him and the retards who think he brings anything of value.

>how do you do, fellow free software?
>*does nothing but attack free software*

>>106039102
Meds.

>>106040715
Everything he does is either to garner favor, or exploit said favor to misinform people about things like Israhell. That's what "based" jews do. If you're listening to his basic bitch takes and thinking "this is a hit", you're just allowing him to draw you in (for later jewsplaining).

>I loved him since the Linux Action Show and the first Linux Sucks talk so i'm just not gonna stop following him entirely
Good goy.
>Rather him than Brodie or Nicolas, at any rate
Rather AIDS than tuberculosis.