Thread 106081789

Y2K Edition

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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V

>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

End game has been achieved.

>>106081876
Just need a new cap set and It's done.

>>106081789 (OP)
Well, interesting aesthetic from Gravastar. Very reminiscent of Runaway. Here is my attempt to have Gemini bring my imagination to life. ;3

>>106081789 (OP)
4th for Zhang

How do the ali keyboards compare to their logitech, razer, corsair counterparts?
Cheap trash or worth a pick up?

>>106083550
>Our keyboard doubles as a keychain!
The fuck is this stupid shit

>>106081876
Aren't those wings backwards?

>>106083563
Wooting started that gay bullshit on their HE boards a couple years ago. Now every small-formfactor Epic Gamer Keyboard For Epic Gamers has to copy it to make it seem "hip" like Wooting's boards, like how every MP3 player and speaker manufacturer in the known galaxy had to copy the aluminum/chrome and white design language of the iPod line in the mid-2000s.

>the chink board i bought for 30-40$ is now 70$
Lmao wtf

>>106083606
Yes. But with how well the wings meet and curve together side by side I couldn't help myself

After living for 24 years, the left control key hurts my pinky so much each time i try to reach it. My left hand has been like this since january for no reason. Mri says it's 2A TFCC, ECU subsheath tear, and DRUJ instability, and intercarpalia joint effusion

>>106081789 (OP)
I really hate the keycaps.

>>106083563
>>106083616
bros. why do they do this.
i'm buying a small keyboard to save real estate but thye but this dumb nigger shit on it.

Most gamers are too dumb shit and bad to get any of the advantage of using hall effect keyboards.

>>106085355
The fuck is a hall effect keyboard

>>106085442
https://youtu.be/37tdDoC7rGA?t=135

This hobby has gotten nutty to say the least.

I have lots of keyboards from places like Drop, KBDFans, AKKO, Keychron, Aula, 8bitdo, Varmilo, Redragon, Neo, Cycle, Qwertykeys, Zoom, Luminkey, Keycult, TGR Jane, Singa, Kohaku, etc.... every single one of them have had either PCB issues, cold solder joints, failed switches, failed sockets, failed LEDs, and or inferior/bad firmware and various bugs. You're trying to compare hobby toys with working reliable equipment. If you want planned obsolescence spicy pillow wireless creamy thocky keeby keebs then linears with lots of homo lube and stuff with all kinds of useless crap for sound deadening that no one in reality cares about. Of the hobbies I have keyboards are a very simplistic hobby and that anyone smarter than a monkey can do well. Maybe if you programmed a CNC for a metal case or used a CAD to design your own PCB, etc then sure that takes talent. I have plenty of KB toys from a $1,200+ KDBFans custom to several $600+ modded KB's which while looking good are still unreliable toys stuffed with with custom HiJenney artisan keycaps, GMK keycaps, so-called LOL "S-Tier" switches, or you name it. Gone through the rounds of waitlists, group buys not to mention the many 2-4 week slow plane from China deliveries because they don't use DHL. I under lube to error on function and I have a good lube station and I use authentic $50/oz Krytox by Chemours GPL 205. Also a good soldering station.


Examples of Keyboard issues:
Drop CTRL High: faulty solder points on PCB, Failure rate ~5% Holy Panda switches; soldered sockets and new keys
AKKO MOD 007V2: faulty PCB after firmware / subsequent AKKO Cloud software failures; replaced PCB after uploading a video to their engineering team
Keychron Q5: firmware bug in hybrid sleep powering on; discovered a workaround by re-flashing 2x in a row
KBDFans KBD75 V3.1 PVD: DOA PCB, Failure rate ~10% Tecsee Metal Coated Switches; replacements
ETC...

>>106085602
My Keychron hasn't developed any problems. Granted it hasn't even had a year of daily use, and I didn't keep the stock switches, and I don't use wireless. But nonetheless... I have had no problems.

>>106085637
>I
if it was made after late 2023/2024 then it will.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1ip03k0/comment/mhlga9b/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1l2b3m2/comment/mvsoao2/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1ip03k0/deleted_by_user/
>Re "whether the issues are the minority or if Keychron have serious quality control issues": My guess is that more than 50% of the Keychron keyboard produced in 2024 will, sooner or later, if used as the daily driver and not just causally, have problems with keychattering and missed keystrokes
>It is only a matter of time, whether from day one, or after a few days, weeks, or months.
>This is, of course, coloured by own experience. But there were far from that number of reports on this subreddit before 2024. Even with selection bias, that bias should also have been there before 2024. The absolute failure rate may never be known unless some large-scale experiment is conducted, but at least the failure rate is much higher.
>NB: 2024 is for simplicity. There were a few reports before January 2024.

>Re "has anyone else had this happen": Yes, 77 reported here and counting. Though it usually happens within the first few days, weeks, or months.
>It is most likely due to cold solder joints (thus the only two real options are either warranty or a repair (by you or somebody else)), but here are some more isolation steps. Note that #9 may or may not be a somewhat overlooked cause (a list).
>Changing the debounce time is treating the symptoms, masking a mechanical problem (and will only treat the double input).

>The time for switch debounce has been set to 20 ms for these series, including for Q6 Max:
>Q Max series
>V Max series
>But not for these series:
>K Pro series
>Q Pro series
>K Max series
>Presumably, they use the default 5 ms.

>>106085602
>lube station
didn't even know this was a thing. have you tried buckling springs yet? very happy with mine

>>106085698
99% of these complaints are about double typing from Gateron Jupiter switches, which we've already all established in this thread are shit. That's why every newcomer is instructed to avoid the Jupiter Banana switches.

> These keyboards are faulty. I have bought and returned 4x V6 Max and they all have done the same thing you describe. Some right away, some after days, one after two months, but they all do it in time. Typing on one now (#5) that is only a week old and my numpad enter key only works reliably if I hammer it. Typing regularly it misses about 30% of the time and double presses maybe 10% of the time. If I press the top left of the key with moderate pressure (and depress it fully) It will fail to enter 100% of the time. So aggravating. Swapping switches sometimes helps but the problem lies deeper, either the sockets or circuitry/solder.

>At this point I have to find another keyboard brand and model, but the banana switches have spoiled me so I haven't found anything I like as much yet.

ok this one made me laugh

>>106085720
That's been confirmed to be wrong.

>>106085474
>9 year old video
I thought this was new tech

>>106085754
Lol "confirmed" huh? I promise you those Jupiter Bananas will double type on any other QMK board that has the same default debounce timing.

>>106085741
The RNG makes the keyboard more unpredictable and fun

>>106085761
Hall effect keyboards are older than you. They've been around since the '60s.

>>106085778
And why are they marketed now as some miracle tech

>>106085766
How do you explain the cases where people have replaced the switches and the problems persist? Or the issues that are unrelated to switches, such as the keyboard dying suddenly?

>>106085783
Beats me. What baffles me more is how the shilling focuses on "muh gayming" when the real advantages of hall effect (immunity to chatter, insane longevity) are seemingly out of the conversation.

>>106085794
>insane longevity
coprophagic corpofags hate this. They'll find a way to make them last less than a rubber dome but NPCs will be ok with it because they'll add some wood chips and nigger pubes to make them sound thoccy and creamy

>>106085789
>How do you explain the cases where people have replaced the switches and the problems persist?
In these less common cases there may be a real defect, although usually they are still replacing the bananas with other very tactile switches, in which case default QMK debouncing is a bit unforgiving still.

I don't see a lot of people saying "after replacing them with Cherry Blacks, the problem persisted"

>>106085794
need to get your hands on one of those old honeywell keyboards they made for the military. rated for nuclear, biological and chemical warfare use. could spill coffee on it and absolutely nothing would happen

>>106085839
My perspective on this BTW is I have some Gateron tactiles which double-typed like crazy in another QMK board. Swapped them out for Cherry Browns, problem gone. There is almost certainly a problem with Gateron's tactiles right now.

I also have a Keychron V6 Max with Gateron Melodics, no double-typing problem after about a year. (Click tactility doesn't load up the leaf spring the same way, so it doesn't have the same effect on contact bounce)

Small caveat: I had problems with the Keychron when I tried using it on a weaker laptop once. I get the sense that system sluggishness + USB polling is a terrible combination. I don't know whether Keychron specifically was to blame, or whether QMK is, or whether USB polling just sucks (retvrn to PS/2...)

>>106085839
Let's see.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1igw5zz/q6_max_doubleinputdoubletyping_with_single/
>I have Red switches. That is a good idea though. I’ll try swapping switches to see what happens and let you guys know.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1g5sfhq/q6_max_double_keypresses/
>Replace the spacebar switch (ended up buying around 12 different switches, neither of them changed anything)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1i7gn8c/got_a_new_keychron_q6_with_brown_switches_a_few/
>Brown switches

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1i5flhz/keychron_q6_max_double_typing/
>gateron jupiter red switches, would buying new switches help?
some guy said
>I replaced the switches with baby kangaroos v2 and no more double typing. Someone has said it's probably a bad batch of gateron jupiter switches. So that must be true.

>>106085839
A few more.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j96iih/keychron_q6_max_spacebar_doublepressing/
>My V6 Max had the same issues. I replaced the switch and it stopped for a few days before coming back. Not sure about about Q keyboard design, but at least on the V6 I can easily toke off some screws in the back and open the back. I would suggest this because the PCB is right there and you can easily check for loose pins around the spacebar switch socket.

>I've got an older (purchased January 2024) Keychron V3 Wired that's getting numerous double presses from the spacebar but also other keys seemingly at random; but the spacebar does it the most. This board is part of a rotation so during the year of ownerhip it hasn't seem much use.
>It's had Durock T1s and currently it has Cherry MX Clears in it. The issue occurred with both switch types.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j374ag/comment/mg13svo/
this guy thinks it's browns that are to blame:
>Feels like it's likely a massive defective switch problem since it's kind of random (but persistent) keys around the keyboard, does everyone else who is having this issue have Jupiter brown switches?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jaynaz/keychron_q6_max_double_presses/
This one is interesting:
>I spoke to support, got all the custom firmware and it also did not solve the problem. I bought the Q6 Max with banana switches and I think the problem is their switches in combination with the PCB. I purchased Gateron G Pro 3.0 Brown's and swapped out the space bar switch and it mostly solved the issue. It sill double presses but it's seldom. I recently got a Ducky board and moved the Banana switches to that and the switches works fine. Keychron is sending me a new PCB as part of their RMA process, it doesn't look like they do full replacements. If you can get your money back go for it.

>>106085890
Creamy steamy dreamy.

>>106085890
>honeywell hall effect switches
yeah those are cool if you take care of your keyboard and don't store it in a garage for 30 fucking years
old hall effect keyboards like that suffer from dust that gets into the switches and ruins them and are like impossible to clean out

>>106085930
>some of these cases are different, therefore the overwhelming majority featuring Bananas is meaningless

>>106085946
Durock T1 and Cherry Clears are both very tactile. I would adjust the debounce timing to be a little more generous if I was using switches like that.

The browns may very well be bad too, just to a lesser extent. They're still Gateron Jupiters and have the same housing or leaf spring or contact problem, whatever's causing it; they're just less tactile, so it should be a little less problematic.

>I recently got a Ducky board and moved the Banana switches to that and the switches works fine.
Ducky may have different debounce timing. You can find posts where users complain about the slow debounce timing prior to a firmware update (that then caused key chatter... lol)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DuckyKeyboard/comments/uc8veq/ducky_one_3_fullsize_debounce_delay_issues/


Look, the short answer to all of this is: Keychron's keyboards switched from 20ms debounce to 5ms debounce when they moved to the Max series, so they could advertise more gamer-friendly latency stats. I don't know this for certain but I do know that when I was shopping for a keyboard the V series and the V Max series listed significantly different input response times, so I believe they made a change.

Since then there has been a huge spike in complaints, "defective boards", and returns, mostly due to key chatter. 20ms has long been an industry standard for a lot of keyboards, including "gamer boards" even, because it prevents people from making returns when switches are faulty.

Combine this with the fact that Gateron tactiles have been causing complaints recently and you can see how this might lead to a disaster for Keychron's "quality control" reputation.

No doubt there are also some defective boards, but I don't think that's what's happening in most of these cases.

>>106085783
Because the custom keyboard market makes money from marketing slop to consoomers. Recycling old stuff is one such tactic

it's been 15 years of daily usage, I'm finally getting my first switch failures on cherry browns. They're soldered, replacing all of these is gonna take some hours. 2hrs if I'm lucky? or is that too optimistic?

>>106085783
New software makes them more responsive

>>106086518
To replace all of them?

Probably more than that unless you're skilled with your desoldering.

>>106086518
Depends on what tools you're using to desolder them. It's an absolute breeze with something like a hakko FR301.

>>106085982
i thought they're meant to be much more resilient though? if a keyboard is NBC rated it seems odd that a bit of dust would mess it up

>>106086527
all 104, I'm not gonna replace 2 switches every few months for years

>>106086528
hakko 888d, a silicone tip solder sucker, and chinesium solder wick. Idk which type of solder it is yet, probably leadfree? I can't remember how common leadfree was in 2010.

I've done plenty of soldering, these jobs are mostly about finding the right amount of solder to add so that it comes out cleanly with one stroke

What kind of job do i have to work to be able to afford this hobby

>>106086755
Any. Unless you fall for memes like norbauer cases this is nowhere near as expensive as other hobbies. The last guitar I bought was roughly 5000 syrupdollars for comparison.

>>106086755
i'm a run of the mill office drone making about 70k aud and bought the model f122 repro. aside from bills, the only other thing i really spend my money on is my car.

Reposting this from the last thread to see if I can get more suggestions. I'm looking for a new keyboard, and I don't know what I'm looking for except that I want something of decent quality. I currently have a Glorious Gaming keyboard, the model says it's a GMMK-BRN, but I think that just means it has brown switches. I like how solid it is, it doesn't move easy when I type or play games so that's nice.

>Budget
150USD to 200USD
>Location (continent at least)
USA
>Preferred switch type
I don't have a preference, my current ones are brown and they're fine. I'm not sure if I'd want anything louder than the ones I currently have.
>Layout
I've only ever had 100%, but I think it'd like to try a 75% or 80% this go around.
>Form factor
Don't care
>Backlight
Don't care
>Previous/current keyboards
I don't know the model but it's a glorious gaming modular mechanical keyboard.

>>106087023
I'd get a plateless Neo80 for $110 and spend the rest on cherry mx2a browns and shenpo keycaps

(assuming you can solder)

>>106087023
If the only thing you care about is solidness, then a steel plate is probably the most important thing for you

Have you tried linear switches? Linears are more common, but f you've only ever used browns, linears might feel weird

>>106087271
>(assuming you can solder)
Sadly no, it's a skill I've been meaning to learn but just haven't because I'm a lazy fuck.
>>106087494
I have only ever used cheap walmart keyboards and the keyboard I have now. I honestly have no reference for anything.

>>106087735
Keyboards are one of the easiest ways to learn by far. Desoldering is a little tricky at first, but soldering is VERY easy.

I taught myself to solder when I was 16 repairing cheap headphones, and I'm no genius. It's really no big deal.

>>106087735
seconding the other anon, keyboards are how I learned to solder. They're a great first project.

>>106081789 (OP)
I hope it's AI generated picture because jfc this is ugly

>>106087994
I have some bad news for you.

>there's a Toronto keyboard meetup at the end of August
>it's the one weekend I'm not working
>max 4 keyboards, and that's how many I own
Oh shit I might actually go

I just fucking smashed my EPOMAKER 75%.
Switches started failing and double tapping after only 3 months and now, a year after purchase it got what it fucking deserved.

Can I get a recommendation please for something affordable that is NOT trash, preferably with tactile switches.
I don't need hot swap or wireless

>>106088650
Just get something with QMK so you can extend your debounce timing when your tactile switches inevitably start double typing.

Gayterons suck ass. Cherry for life!

You don't need more than 2 (if you have 2 pcs) keyboards. You just don't have a point in life.

>>106087994
You poor, naive soul

>>106088650
>>106088650
Fuck it.
The shitty keyboard decided to survive being thrown across the room and exploding, so after some searching I guess I'm just going to buy some Gateron brown switches.

>>106089411
Buy linear switches and stop being dumb.

>>106089450
I just can't.
I have tried linear twice now and I just can't type on them, I need the feedback or i miss letters constantly.

>plastic
>wired only
>65%
>no personality
yup this is my endgame

Having no f keys is retarded

>>106089574
122 key or bust

>>106089657
Imma bust a nut over 122 keys

>>106089559
>65%
Just go 60%

Is there any difference between silent linears and silent tactile? I bought outemu silent peach v3 in monday and today i realize it feels so mushy and sticky, even worse than an office membranes. At least office membranes feels comforfable.

>>106090681
That's just how silent switches feel. Your office membrane is louder, too.

>>106090681
The stickiness is from bad factory lube

>>106086646
Don't use leadfree.

>>106086150
>Look, the short answer to all of this is: Keychron's keyboards switched from 20ms debounce to 5ms debounce when they moved to the Max series, so they could advertise more gamer-friendly latency stats. I don't know this for certain but I do know that when I was shopping for a keyboard the V series and the V Max series listed significantly different input response times, so I believe they made a change.
The default used by the QMK firmware is 5ms. Keychron actually switched to 20 ms for the Q max and V max, but they left it to the default 5 ms for the others. People still had issues even with 20ms
https://docs.qmk.fm/feature_debounce_type#debounce-method
>Default debounce time is 5 milliseconds and it can be changed with the following line in config.h:
>The information contained in info.json is combined with the config.h and rules.mk files, dynamically generating the necessary configuration for your keyboard at compile time.
https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/blob/wireless_playground/keyboards/keychron/q6_max/info.json#L76
"debounce": 20


https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j96iih/keychron_q6_max_spacebar_doublepressing/
guy 1
>I replaced the switch on the space bar, and that solved the issue, but it didn’t work for the up arrow. Through Reddit, I learned that the problem is due to cold soldering on the board. For some keys, I bent the pins and inserted the switch at a slight angle. This worked for some of them.
guy 2
>My V6 Max had the same issues. I replaced the switch and it stopped for a few days before coming back.
guy 3
>I was having the exact same issue. Same keyboard too - Q6 Max with gateron jupiter browns. I got a box of Cherry MX RGB browns from amazon and replaced it last night. I have been using it all day today and haven't had any double presses of the spacebar.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j374ag/comment/mg13svo/
guy 1
>banana switches
>I even tried swapping out the switch, but that didn’t work either. A temporary fix I found was pushing the switch really hard into the keyboard, and it would work… for a while.
guy 2
> Typing regularly it misses about 30% of the time and double presses maybe 10% of the time. If I press the top left of the key with moderate pressure (and depress it fully) It will fail to enter 100% of the time. So aggravating. Swapping switches sometimes helps but the problem lies deeper, either the sockets or circuitry/solder.
guy 3
>F-2407V5M in my case (V5 Max, brown switches)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jahca0/v1_max_key_doubling_issue/
>Gateron Jupiter Bananas

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j41bsv/comment/mg59zpc/
>changed Kailh HS Sockets to (assuming) some cheaper hotswap sockets.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j23ywv/how_common_keychron_problems_are/
guy 1
>Don’t do it, I’m about to post a rant here. My keyboard in less than a month has bluetooth issues and chattering issues.
guy 2
>I have a Q12 Max that had a problem with double click with the spacebar. I removed it, re-set it and then it was fine
guy 3
>I have had a bunch of bad V6 Max. I am on #5 and this one is bad too. Current build date of October 2024.

Regarding debounce time, look here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j092s2/keychron_q6_max_double_pressing_keys_and_horrible/
guy 1 confirms that the default for the new keyboards was changed to 20 ms and still lead to issues so he needed to increase it to 35:
>A friend of mine had exactly this same problem on the same model (Q6 Max). As a software engineer himself, he managed to download the QKM firmware, edited source code to change a "debounce" number from 20ms to 35ms, re-flashed the firmware and got it fixed permanently. I was talking and chatting with him along the way.

I don't have an endgame, I just have keyboards I have not bought yet.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j092s2/keychron_q6_max_double_pressing_keys_and_horrible/
>guy 1
>At least it shows the importance of going back to the original state when claiming change X causes Y. An example of that would be changing switches when there is a problem with key chattering. Nothing can be concluded from that; for example, it could just as well have been the reseating that did it, not the new switches (that is, there may have been nothing wrong with the original switches; the problem may be with the hotswap sockets, e.g., oxidation (removed by the reseating), their switch leaves or their soldering (for example, cold solder joints)).
guy 2
>I'm currently using a V6 Max ISOO Knob edition at the moment (edit: jupiter brown switches). SN reads "A-2404" but i received it in March 2025. I had issues with doublepresssing on spacebar initially, then one or two keys here and there. I got intouch with Keychron and after testing swapping a few of the switches aroundd, they sent me a "30ms" and "50ms" firmware to flash,, which i assume were debounce variations? Flashed the 30 aand siignificantly improved the issues- though didnt fix it entirely. I noticed the launcher.keychron app now had a v1.1 version with debounce settings included so i flashed that a few hourrs ago and reset the keyboard.
>As im sure you can tell on the text above, im sstill getting a lot of doublepressing unfortunately- and no longerr just on the spacebar but all over the place. Right now im using "Eager per key" algo with 10ms. Was inspired by your post at 2ms to try it.
>Frrom now, ive pushedd iit ddown to 2ms. As you can tell im farr from as lucky as you a nd its pretty much useless at thiss low a settinng..
>Setting it now to 20, things improve.
>I havent done much testing on the new v1.1, but even at 40ms, i managed to get a few double presses of the spacebar with initial testing.

>>106086150
continued from my previous post
guy 1 again
>Three months in, and the keyboard now has the dreaded symptoms!
>It started a few weeks ago, with occasional double input for PgDn (one of the most-used keys). It has become worse over the past few weeks, but I still can't consistently reproduce the problem. But it is sufficient to make experiments to isolate the problem, with a time window of, say, 24 hours (or longer), as it is very noticeable when using the keyboard as the daily driver.
>A wireless mode. It is equally bad in wired mode.
>I think that this is justified. It is not known what the specification is for the switches, but they are probably not far from the original Cherry specification of 5 ms. The 2 ms was only to show that Keychron's 20 ms was not necessary.
>The theory would be that the bounce gets worse as a switch ages (including being used), but it still stays within 5 ms.
>The "dreaded symptoms" may be too pessimistic. The experiment continues using the QMK default debounce time of 5 ms.
guy 3
>I replaced the e with a spare switch and that solved it there (for now).
guy 4
>Looking carefully, it seems that if I press with immense pressure the area of the problematic keys, I will feel a ‘click’ and then they are back to working. The problem is that after a few minutes, same thing happens, then after pressure and click gets fixed, and so on so forth. My suspicion is that this ‘flexible’ gasket setup is not designed properly, and when it gets slightly bent due to installing or removing switches, then it will never be the same again. Or in other words, probably it’s a bad idea to have at the same time flexible gaskets and hotswappable switches.

>>106086150
this seems to have fixed it for some people, again pointing at the socket problem:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1ihjyns/comment/mayq92j/
guy 1
>I had the same issue and in my case what I found was that the spacing between the plate and the PCB or the flex in the PCB was causing the pins to not fully seat into the sockets, what fixed it was basically just pushing down very hard on all of the keys and I would hear small clicks as the pins fully socketed and then the issue went away, worth a try.
guy 2 replied
>Just tried this! Thanks for the recommendation. Having the same issues as you and OP, and hoping this works.
guy 3 replied
>This needs to be pinned at the top of this subreddit! I pressed down on all the keys and when I got toward the center of the keyboard there was a noticeable "click" on a lot of the keys, indicating they were not fully seated until I did the hard press. Now the problem is resolved!
guy 4 replied
>unfortunately, I spoke too soon. This did NOT fix my problem. I got all excited because I did feel that the keys were indeed not seated correctly. BUT, I'm still getting double key presses :(.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1h5eeyb/q3_max_key_failing_to_register/
stockholm fag:
>I have tried the most obvious/easiest solutions each time (ie swapping switches, firmware updates etc) but have refrained from opening up the board and trying to diagnose/fix something I'm not yet fully read up on.
>My issue is I love the keyboard (hence the 3x returns lol) and am stubborn in not wanting to switch to anything else now, but if this issue is clearly a manufacturing/model-specific one that cannot be easily fixed then it seems I will have to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1ewjhxm/q11_soldering_is_too_weak_for_being_a_hotswap/
stock switches ok but they keeby keeb keebyrino broke after one hotswap cycle
>Looks like the factory soldering is cold-soldering or otherwise too weak to handle switch swapping. The factory switches worked ok, but as soon as I swapped to cherry mx2a switches, some keys stopped working.
guy 2 says it's not cold solder joint but simply not enough solder (I haven't looked at pics so I can't confirm)
>Usually, SMD components will be soldered with a minimal layer of solder paste. For all non-mechanical affected parts, that's enough. Which means it would be a production mistake if you solder the hot swappable sockets that way and not with a bit more solder paste than the other components...

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1j5vkl0/keychron_appreciation_post/
guy fixed it with new switches:
>if i recall correctly, i tried reseating the same switch multiple times and check that nothing was wrong with the pins or anything. But since it kept chattering, i just switched it out temporarily with one of my macro keys, and then it didnt chatter anymore. I could be wrong since i dont remember it 100%. Still nice of them to send me new switches tho ;)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jaynaz/keychron_q6_max_double_presses/
>Thanks. The keyboard is brand new and this occurs on many switches though some more often than others. Searching this forum, the double-press problem appears to be ervy common. Can it really be the sockets?
guy 2
>I just bought this keyboard for work (lots of data entry), so I can’t use the software with it for security reasons. But I changed the Jupiter Browns for Gateron Mily Yellow Pros and added some Drop MT3 Dasher caps and have had no double presses or ghosting. Nice and thocky combination also, my co-workers with their cheap Amazon clicky ‘pretty’ mechanicals are very confused, lol.
default was 30ms, had to be changed to 65 to mask the problem
>There appears to be a debounce setting in https://www.launcher.keychron.com/#/keymap now under "Advanced Mode".
>My default was set to 30ms and my "W" key was double pressing all the time. Bumped it up to 50ms, no improvement. 65ms seems to be the sweet spot for me with no double presses.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jcz0k1/double_presses_on_certain_keys/
>Keychron K5 Max
>I have the hot-swap model but the PCB fried after 14 months: chattering and missed keystrokes, so switching switches isn't the fix.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jevb3r/dubbel_registration_of_key_strokes/
guy 1
> I personally suspect it's the switches that Keychron is sourcing.
guy 2
>In my case it wasn't the switches, which were higher quality ones I purchased and installed myself. You should test other switches to make sure that isn't the problem, but more than likely, the switches won't be the source of the issue.
guy 3
>nah.. I spoke to some shops and it was always issue with the PCB and the soldering point. It seems they have switched to some cheaper internal sockets.. it is honestly a nightmare how they switched the sockets and now facing massive issues.. seems quality control is not something they are aware...
>two options: either you solve the socket issue by your own with solder - or you have a good shop which are repairing it for you for free.
>I have Neve done it by myself but I pre-ordered it and asked the Shop why (feeling) whole reddit is having issues with Double press. He told me it is the sockets and they switches from some good sockets so (maybe) own cheaper ones. He repaired already handful q6‘s.
>It is a Keyboard Shop in Germany - Not Keychron specific
>e: YouTube - keyboard socket repair

>>106091236
I bought it unlubed though

>>106091167
Damn.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jk76ra/keychron_v6_max_disappointment_is_an/
>Keychron V6 max with banana tactile switches
> So I purchased some switches and started replacing them. And it worked! For a day. Then the weirdest thing happened, the problem spread like a virus or something, I replaced the "I" then the "K" stopped working, I replaced the "K" switch, then after half an hour the "J" stopped working. In less than a day I replaced half of the keyboard's switches And... it stopped, no more misfires. Was happy for a day then the "K" key stopped working again. Replaced the switch twice, nothing.
>So I opened the keyboard up only to find out that the small piece which is soldered on the PCB and closes the circuit (looks like a small bridge) where the pins of the switch touch when pressed down, has gone loose.
see pic
>We are talking about days, not months! I've never in my life had such a bad experience, even with cheap a$$ keyboards
>The PCB flexes too much in the middle, the plastic parts cannot withstand a lot of pressure and the switches tend to stop working with no apparent reason and the bridges at the back of the PCB suffer from the cold joint problem.
guy 2
>I don't think that the flexible PCB is the problem because this has also been reported on the K3 which is tray-mounted.
>It stopped because you're mashing the sockets into the PCB solder pads with the cardboard. There is now contact where there should be for the keyboard to work properly. The flexible PCB isn't the cause of the problem, but it exacerbates it, because flexing causes the already-inadequate solder joints to separate from the PCB. This is definitely a QC issue that Keychron needs to address.

>>106092329
continued:
guy 3
>Lemokey P1 owner here. Same issue with certain keys, was the case from the very beginning. Swapping switches seems to make it worse.
>I do have the suspicion that my initial switch-swapping is what has caused the issue as well, as the new switches took a bit of force to be seated properly in the board (due to the flex). Especially on those keys that now act up.
guy 4
>I've owned mine for a month. It works but, the banana switches suck. I switched to baby kangeroos.

>>106091167
What do you recommend instead? Any good tactile that isn't that loud?

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jlpa77/chattering_and_actuation_problems_on_keychron_v2/
> I have a key that completely broke for idk what reason and I tried putting another switch in its place and it works. Is the problem the switch themselves or the PCB?

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jnt66c/new_q6_max_brown_space_bar_is_ridiculous_every/
>UPDATE 1: I took the switch from the numpad minus key and swapped it with the spacebar switch. Low and behold the problem is GONE! That said, I'll be using this all day for work so we'll see if it holds up.
>UPDATE 2: Spoke to soon. The issue has returned :/
guy 2
>Not the same keyboard, but I got a V6 Max a few weeks ago and have a similar issue with my b key. In my case, the switch keeps coming loose from the socket, causing double or missed presses.
guy 3
>It could also be the same problem I’m experiencing, which is no matter how many times I reseat the switch, it inevitably comes loose again and starts either double typing or missing presses until it’s pushed back in.
guy 4
>I had the same issue as you, also q6 max with brown switches. I emailed their support and got a new firmware. That was a week ago. That solved the issue for me. I also replaced the switch just in case.
guy 5
>Well, I join the distinguished group. I have had the Q6 Max since early March 2025 and I have exactly the same problem. The switch sometimes reactivates when bouncing up, I did many tests, slowly and methodically pressing different switches and reactivation always occurred when the switch bounced up.
>Yes, I also have Jupiter Brown and I also had double spaces and other letters. After replacing it with Gateron Melodic switches and INK black v2 for spacebar I have the impression that the problem has gone away, but sometimes it appears on the arrows, where I have Akko Penguin Silent mounted.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jpad8e/v5_max_after_1_month/
>Just wait hahahaha. Mine took around 3-4 months to start having double inputs/and other issues. Both work and home keyboards bought around the same time, began failing within weeks of each other.
>(Although mine is a V6 max)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jpylkl/new_q6_max_firmware_out_v110/
>Updated my Q6 max, turned the debounce down to 14ms, but the double clicking happened again, put it back to 30ms, and it's fine. Finally no more double tapping.
guy 2
>I built the firmware myself and set the debounce time to 30 and I can confirm that this resolves all key chattering issues I had with it (banana switches)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1jl9b63/update_the_double_press_conundrum/
>After another two weeks, I again had to remove all keys, switches and replace the board myself.
>It looked finally good, all keys worked fine - for about a month - and the issue is back.
guy 2
>Same issue as you, Q5 Max bought a short while ago. Firmware, debounce, even changing switches didnt help. Im not willing to deal with this issue i need a reliable keyboard. Im returning mine and going back to my old K4.
guy 3
>I have a suspicion that the switches are very low quality (I have Gateron Jupiter browns) and small dust particles are getting trapped causing them to malfunction, but I don't know for sure.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1ge6fok/comment/lu81adh/
>I have already swapped the switches but the error only persists on the K.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1im4a0g/avoid_keychron_at_all_costs_keychron_k1_max_is_a/
guy 1
>The double clicking was there in my new V6 Max too with Jupiter Browns. Have swapped switches on the Space bar, Comma, Up arrow, E to less important keys. I think the problem is in the stock switches. Never had this problem in the K10.
guy 2
>The problem is most likely the hot swap sockets. Simply re-seating the same switches can often fix the chattering problem -- at least for a while. Don't be surprised if your replacement switches start chattering at some point.
>I have come across people who have replaced all of the switches with aftermarket, found they worked for a few months, and then started chattering.
guy 3
> have a K1 Max myself and have never experienced double-clicking.
>I've also swapped keycaps and switches a few times for experimentation.
>I started with Browns, hen switched to Nuphy Purple (forgot the name), followed by Gateron KS-33 Low Profile 2.0 Chocolate. Now, I'm using Gateron Reds.
>What happens occasionally (though rarely) is a random key getting stuck, usually on the Linux login screen. However, it resolves itself after I log in.
guy 4 (this guy is an epic tranny, he runs multiple businesses)
>I run the Keychron Q6 Max QMK/VIA Wireless Custom Mechanical Keyboard. Additionally, I added the Raptor switches. I run multiple businesses, flight sim, and game on it. For the exception of support, it has been a solid combo.

>>106086150
continued
guy 5
>Try replacing the switches. I replace mine and the stabilizers on every board I have. My low profile board isn’t hotswap but they should’ve included a switch puller for the choc switches.
guy 6
>K3 max here, I experience a lot of issues with it since the beginning. Double key presses, more rarely keys not registering. Sometimes it works fine for months after re-seating the switch. But overall, I will never go with Keychron again, it's just too annoying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1k09yrf/planning_to_purchase_q6_max_is_there_any_code/
>Re "has an inherent ripple which needs to be compensated for": Yes, there is no escape for that for mechanical switches. Even reed switches allegedly have significant bounce.
>In these keyboards the debounce is in software (even if it isn't explicit, the keyboard matrix scan rate (for example, close to 1000 Hz) is indirectly debouncing). But debounce can also be done in hardware.
>See Ganssle's post for some background. It also has actual measurements of the switch bounce.
>Re "Hot swap sockets exacerbate the problem": Potentially, yes. Though I am typing this on a V6 Max from April 2024 with a 2 ms debounce time (below the QMK default of 5 ms), without any missed or double key strokes so far (in the first week).
>I think the switches themselves are specified to be below 1 ms bounce time, though I don't have a reference. Cherry claims it (2020); conversely it must have been significantly above 1 ms before then (possibly 5 ms? (2013. The reference link is broken now.) CHERRY MX1A-ExxA/B: "Bounce time: < 5 ms (during actuation with 0,4 m/s)". That may be where the QMK default comes from. Though the switches were much better when actually measured.
>A guess would be that switch clones are specified to 5 ms, as they probably don't use gold in the contacts.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1k0qs6q/double_pressing_on_new_q6_max/
>Did you guys swap the switches for those keys? I had a handful of these when I first got the keyboard and a couple keys crop up over time. For me, it's the switches. Swapping those, as needed, has resulted in 0 double presses.
>If swapping the switch doesn't work, please don't fall for bios shit or debounce hacks. It's the PCB and you need a full replacement... which ironically is very rare from what I can tell.
guy 2
>I had a V6 with double/missed inputs on the b key and it turned out it was because the switch wouldn’t stay seated in the PCB (didn’t matter even when I swapped in a different switch). It would always get loose again, even after being properly reseated. It’s very hard to tell that it even comes loose when looking at the keyboard from a top down angle as you normally would, so I’d be willing to bet a lot of people have the same issue and don’t even realize it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1k326e3/one_key_presse_two_letter_on_screen/
>I have a bunch of Keychron keyboards of different types, all of them using different switches by different manufacturers and none of them has this issue, but they're all a year or more in age — I haven't purchased a new Keychron in quite some time, so they've clearly changed their manufacturing or something in the meantime.
>OP, if you are able to return it, I would just do so at this point and buy a different brand. I used to be a big Keychron fan, but not at present. It's a bit of a shame, too, because I'm typing this on an old original Keychron Q5 that I just refreshed with new switches and keycaps and it's working perfectly. But it seems that newly manufactured ones are junk.
guy 2
>Definitely, I had my K5 max possibly from mid last year. I had a red switch from the get go. I too experienced double presses. Then bought brown ones. It also does the same.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1k5l3ik/keychron_q6_max_dreaded_repeating_keys_fix/
>It even happens to soldered-in keyboards (revealed in this comment), though the main failure mode is probably related to poor soldering of hotswap sockets (presumably, there is more mechanical stress on those).
>Though soldered-in switches aren't immune to poor soldering. The only newer mechanical keyboard, for which I have encountered this problem, was a (high-end) Asus keyboard (thus, a brand name isn't really a guarantee). Resoldering the switches' solder joints fixed the problem.
>Bad switches is the least likely cause, and it is very easy to come to the wrong conclusion. Do proper problem isolation, including reinserting the switch to see if it still fails. Just changing switches proves nothing (it is a very common fallacy here).
>For instance, if the problem is with the soldering, the problem will likely return some time after changing switches (as the changing poked at the cold solder joints, temporarily improving the connection). Also, masking the problem by increasing the debounce time will not work once the hotswap sockets detach
guy 2
>I don't know much about the q6 issues as i haven't read about them yet, but when I was having repeating keys on my q3max, it was the actual switches themselves that were the issue. I ended up buying new switches but in the interim, [hard for me to explain] I just increased the contact pressure by increasing the radius in the folded end - instant fix for me, ymmv but worth a look if you haven't tried it yet.
guy 3
>THIS! i had the same issue and went from the gateron brown to banana switches with a heavier pressure to activate it. i dont have the issue any longer.
guy 4
>Mine came with Banana switches.
guy 5 mentions debounce time
>eager per key debounce value. Default is 30ms. For many that's fixed it. I increased mine to 40ms I think (have to check) and no more double key entries.

Someone give me a qrd on different switches

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Go write your blog somewhere else.

>>106086150
continued
guy 6 (LMAOing at this fag)
>Man why do people act like switches failing is the end of the world? Just replace the damn switches. Get premium switches while you're at it. Keychron switches cost around 15¢ each. Premium switches can cost up to 50¢ each.
guy 7
>i had the same issue and replaced the switches to one that require more pressure to activate. i went from the gateron brown to the gateron banana ones. it was very frustrating and i thought something was wrong with the keyboard initially too. tried changing a load of different settings. none of that worked and i just happened on a video on YT that explained it.
>TLDR - try switches that require more pressure to press. either order new switches or return the keyboard and choose one that comes with the switches.
guy 8
>My keyboard is only five weeks old. I am using the latest firmware and I already changed the switches, but it's still the same key that is not working.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1k5rpvu/yet_another_post_about_double_clicks/
>They all usually fail at the same time, just replace all the switches, buy some premium switches and enjoy. The included switches are mediocre at best.
guy 2
>Same here. I tried to clean with isopropyl alcohol 70% and it worked! Just drop it couple times on the switch and push multiple times. Don't forget to turn off the keyboard before cleaning.
guy 3
>I had that issue with the Keychron Browns that came with my K10Pro, lots of doubled keystrokes. I ended up replacing all the switches with a different brand (LTC Jerrzi Clear Tactile Switches) and the issue went away.

>>106092728
You've wasted ~4-5 hours of your life on something no one will read or care about.

Don't you have a job or something else to do with your time?

>passive aggressive unquoted (You)s
Are you lost, tranny? This isn't twitter or discord.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1japrpp/need_help_flashing_firmware/
>I'm having the same issue with my Keychron K5 Max.
>I’m using the one it came with. I think it was Gateron Low Profile 2.0 Mechanical Switch.
guy 2
>Very interesting. Unfortunately, I already replaced those switched and the issues have gone away. Will try this if any other switches start failing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1k9tpdj/double_actuating_of_some_keys_on_keychron_k5_max/
this guy is using the soldered version of the Keychron K5 max
>Gateron red, low profile
>Those solder joints look like a 5 year old did them. I'll try reseating them later today when i get home. It is my work keyboard and i rarely take it out of the office.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1kagamd/2_defective_keychrons_in_a_row_what_should_i_do/
>2 defective Keychrons in a row, what should I do?
>Keychron V6 Max with Banana switches. Initially I replaced the switches with Blues, then I went back to the bananas and decided I liked them better. After going back I noticed the "j" key became intermittent,
>It's not the switches, I've tried swapping switches from the other side of the board. When I do that the switch that came from the "i" key suddenly works elsewhere and the working switch from elsewhere stops working now that it's at the "i" key.

>>106092740
Made you mad and brought you one inch closer to your inevitable suicide, tranny. It was worth it.

>>106092748
Huh?

I don't have a keychron keyboard at all, I'm just marvelling at how ass blasted you have to be to sit here for 4+ hours across two days just to post about a brand of keyboards, and that 99% of people in this thread wont even bother to read because you're spamming.

Wow, you really made a difference lmao.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1kq85gu/keychron_support_experience_q6_max_p_key_dead/
>Swapped switch with a working one – no effect

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1knr0kb/q6_max/
>Second one arrived and the enter button is jammed, the switch doesn’t seem to sit right and it causes the enter key to jam and stick. On top of that, another 4-5 keys don’t press down without SIGNIFICANT pressure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1kn8uqa/q6_max_double_type_issue/
>Thank you! I just replaced the key cap and somehow I am not experiencing the issue anymore I will try the switch if it occurs again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1klg4kx/lot_of_small_issues/
>It started with keys double registering, i switch around that key to a non frequiently used one and its okay for some weeks. Now recently it started to register keys 0,5s later etc....

https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1kj5ojj/constant_double_clicks_on_keychron_v1_max_banana/
guy 1
>Moving them around helps, which is what annoys me the most. It means the switches are kinda faulty no?
guy 2
>Bummer, those are the original banana switches, too. Try getting a couple boxes of Akko Creamy Purple Pro (45 per box and you need 81) or a 90 pack of Outemu Silent Yellow Jade.

>>106092786
What the fuck are your keycap scribblings for

>>106092802
Wouldn't you like to know?

>>106092786
Deep breaths.

>>106086150
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1kdomh6/dodgy_warranty_broken_keyboard/
>If you look at my post history, I just opened my V6 max yesterday and saw a lot of the switches were not fully seated in the PCB. Might be worth checking. I posted an imgur link with pics that you can reference.
pic

>>106092811
Yes, why do you think i posed the question

>>106092814
>Deep breaths.
My guy, the only one needing to take deep breaths is you; you've been crashing out for almost 3 hours now, and multiple hours the night before.

>>106092830
You're still fuming holy shit hahahaha

>>106086150
I found more pics

>>106092837
I'm honestly just confused as to what your think I'm "fuming" about?

I don't own keychron, shit on them as much as you want, I'm just confused by your dozen+ posts over multiple hours sperging out about keychron to no one.

No one is reading your posts, so I just don't get why you'd spend the time.

Even I didn't bother to read your posts and I'm the only one even engaging with you.


>>106092822
They're ASCII characters (pic related)
It's just a stylistic sublegend. No real function.

>>106092855
>becoming suicidal over a few posts
Time to ACK yourself, lil troon.

>>106092858
>if I just keep pretending he's angry then that means it must be true
you've really mastered the art of online debate huh?

>>106092865
I broke your mind and I wasn't even talking to you ITT.

>>106092872
You think getting me to reply means you "broke my mind"?

I'm just wondering why you're spending multiple hours sperging out about keyboards in a thread that is actively ignoring you.

At this point I think we can safely say it's mental illness, but possibly you've been diagnosed and could shed further light on why you behave this way, hence I asked. Clearly this was too much for you to handle, so I guess we'll just leave it as indeterminate mental illness for now.

>>106092894
It's ok, tranny.

Redpill me on lily58

>>106092717
Get anything silent tactile and nothing else

>>106093266
Which color are those? theres a whole fucking rainbow

>>106093272
Akko penguin

Why does buying things doesn't make me content or grateful

>>106085121
>i'm buying a small keyboard to save real estate
Just buy a bigger desk?

>>106093455
I'm not strong enough for those

>>106094090
It's only 50g of actuation force and 65g bottom out force.

Not nearly as bad as some of them out there with like 70g actuation force. Or Cherry MX Grey which has an 80g actuation force.

>>106094153
Best i can do is 35

>>106094224
Lol

Lmao even

28-30g is about as low as you can realistically go.


I doubt there are any tactile switches with 35g actuation force.

Even lightweight tactiles are ~45g

That's all the complaints about Keychron you could find on Reddit? I thought there would surely be more. I guess the key chatter problem must not be that widespread

Did the Keychron tranny kill itself? Sad.

They're coming today. I've never even swapped out a switch before.

>>106094692
if it's hotswap, it's a simple process.

>>106085602
Gotten my brother a Keychron Q3 max as a birthday gift but it suffers from the double press issue (brown switches). Do you know how to solve it?

Are Glorious keyboards good or overpriced garbage?
I currently use a WASD V3 but I think it's dying.

>>106094437
its over

>>106094692
Just don't bend the pins. it can happen but if it does just just use pliers and pinch them flat again and it will be okay.
but I think thats for cheap ones that come super bent.

I just switched out red (i hate them) on my royale poopy fugdge keyboard wit hthe otemu blues.
it when completly fine bro.
no worries you will heem this change

I love my Model F keyboard

>>106095950
me too. i think i'll take mine to a cemetery and just start typing away since it's loud enough to wake the dead

>>106096159
Wake the dead, you say?

>>106096246
noice
where'd you get the print screen and pause keys from? mine don't come with the front facing text

>>106096246
Edifier S2000s?

>>106094692
I can't tell the difference from these keychron silent reds other than more force required and a higher pitched sound that I like more.

Is the quality of glorious gaming keyboards good? I'm looking for a keyboard where I can swap out switches so I can give a few different ones a try and I see them recommended, but I don't know if that's just good marketing or what.

>>106098298
To be honest, I wish they came like this out of the factory.

are there any textured/tactile/whateverthefucktheycalled keycaps that dont turn into a fucking glossy slippery shit after half a year that arent some diy shit? my wasd keys feel so ass im gonna cry

>>106101275
Yea, PBT keycaps. Make sure it's actually pure PBT and not a PBT/ABS mixture (aka don't get a pbtfans set).

>>106101275
PBT as per >>106101333
the original IBM keycaps are PBT and even years later after regular use they still look almost the same

What games do you guys play? Roguelites? MMOs?

>>106101451
Competitive FPS. If I got into keyboard autism might as well get into mouse autism, monitor autism and hardware overclocking autism.

>>106101504
So i take it you're running some kind of hall effect keeb?

>>106101965
Only when I play games. I don't like linear switches for typing.

>>106101451
fps, rts, not super competitive but can get sweaty occasionally

>>106081789 (OP)
Does it make transformer sounds when you hit the space bar, and if not, shame, you could be like a dubstep mix master coder! Add a synth to the E key for a bit of variety, now dance nigguh!

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>>106101504
>le quirky autism
We get it, you're a troon.

>>106101451
Either racing games, shmups, or metroidvanias. Pretty much exclusively play on controller to be honest. Though I do intend on playing the other modern doom games eventually.

i watch a youtube video about cherry mx browns and apparently everybody hates them? my brothers das keyboard with browns is still going strong on my desk after all these years seethe

>>106102361
>watch
watched*
eslGOD

>>106102361
Don't get the new meme switches, they're very unreliable. Any classic cherry mx switch is better than the new memes with silly zoomer names (like gumdrop bubblegum creamy steamy dreamy panda goolies). Even browns (tactile), but blacks are the most durable.

Zoomers were raised by single mothers, nobody loves them, they're lonely and mentally ill so you gotta understand why they act like this and why they troon out.
Case in point: >>106102368

>>106095667
>just bend the pins
This shouldn't be something you say about a well-designed piece of hardware. Hotswap is a tranny meme, just like wireless and creamy keys.

>>106102425
i'm pretty sure he didn't say that about well-designed pieces of hardware

>>106102361
yes based from one video that means everyone hates them

G213 user here. Lookinh for something with a similar layout and media/volume controls that's superfast for typing and gayming (arena shooters and keyboard racing games) without breaking the bank too much. What are my options these days?

My knowledge is limited to '"just buy linear cherry reds or get a model F" but things have changed by the looks of it.

recommend me a keyboard with magnetic switches and a volume wheel or knob in the price range around 180€
I play FPS and type a moderate amount of text; no programming. Any layout is fine and I don't know anything about switches. Just want it to feel nice

>>106102627
Cherry switches are the noob trap

>>106102627
>an added point of failure for the sake of consuming more garbage is le good
hotswap wasn't needed back when mech keyboards lasted more than 5 years
wireless is another meme that tells you you're buying a chinkshit toy

>>106104069
aula f75 or GameSir Mechanical Gaming Keyboard Z1

Thoughts on the Cherry Gold Crosspoint Switches from the 90s?

>>106104633
>Cherry Gold Crosspoint Switches
I feel like there is no significat different in switches beyond the following:
Red- linear (no click or bump)
Brown- tactile (bump)
Blue- tactile (click)
Yes there are other variations on these types but not enough that it really matters.
its just 着せ替え for your keyboard at that point.

Zealios V2 switches, thoughts?

>>106104246
>50 euros
NTA, but man this looks sketchy as fuck, I'm curious now.

>>106104776
zelos the nigrelos
kratos the nigratos
lloyd the nigroid.

>>106104246
What about the RK M75 and M84?

would you guys buy the snowman keyboard?

>>106104890
idk.
how do those type of switches feel?

>thought about getting into mechkeyboards
>look up switch differences
>everyone uses cringe words like "thocky" and "creamy"
Starting to think this hobby is for homosexuals and women

>>106104945
I'm a takataka main

>>106104801
>wireless
>beautiful knob that you can play with 10 hours a day
>rgb
>hotswap
>creamy chinkshit switches
>turbo troon keeb layout and super thoccy Cherry Profile Double-Shot PBT Keycaps
It's got all the memes. What's not to love?

>>106081876
phew. now you are finally comfortable enough to do that project you have been wanting to do :>

>>106104069
>ask for magnetic
>only get mechanical
>/mkg/ - Mechanical Keyboard General

>>106104890
Snow way.

>>106105096
So where should you go instead for keyboard circlejerking?

Dafuq are Gateron G Pro Red and Outemu Red switches I'm seeing on sub-50$ keyboards? Mad Dog stuff is everywhere on the shelves.

>>106104776
I got Zeal crystals recently and am happy with them

>>106104217
Id personally rather have less durable switches I can replace in under 30 seconds over a more durable switch that requires desoldering and soldering a new one in its place a process that would take a trained desolder station tech 5+ minutes and likely the average tech enthusiast 30+ minutes, if they even have the equipment to do it.

And lucky you, most of the niche custom small batch projects still offer soldered PCBs, no one is forcing you to buy hotswap, that's just where most of the consumer mechanical keyboards are going.

>>106105432
geekhack dot org
don't go to reddit, they'll just circlejerk about custom looney troon boards with creamy steamy dreamy switches and keychron (all of it is chinkshit)

Is this board any good for $55?

>>106105562
There's also the G413 at $60, haven't tested it though.

>>106105506
>less durable switches are ok
>because the hotswap sockets (that are even less durable and introduce more noise and points of failure) allow me to consoom more chinky switches
This should tell you everything you need to know if you aren't a retard:
>Kailh hotswap sockets for mechanical keyboard switches are typically rated for 100 cycles.


>more durable switch that requires desoldering and soldering a new one in its place a process that would take a trained desolder station tech 5+ minutes and likely the average tech enthusiast 30+ minutes, if they even have the equipment to do it.
>requires
You never had to do that. You made up a problem because the chinks have brainwashed you into thinking "keebs" have to die in less than 5 years and you have to consoom creamy banana switches.

>>106105777
Banana switch bad?

>>106105792
creamy banana bad
thicc thoccy clacka lacky banana good

>>106105777
>>106105777
Who the fuck is swapping out 100+ switches?

My hotswap board is 5 years old and probably has 5-8 cycles on the hotswap sockets. So "only" about 90-95 left, at this rate it'll be good until the 2070s or beyond. I think I'll be okay with replacing the PCB within that 50 year span.

>>106105893
Demented nigger, 100 is the point when the chinks claim the thing fails catastrophically. Usually. Failure and issues like chatter will occur way before that.
>chink claim

Is there any keycaps in this color scheme

>>106105562
>gk850 specified to have gateron g pro red switches
>gk910 also says it has gateron g pro red switches
>look on the back of the box and the manufacturer specs
>gateron red switches
Wtf, is this an error or false advertising? I just want the same keyboard switches and features but at 100% form factor for god's sake.

>>106105929
Chatter is rarely caused by the socket itself.

Also I'm not buying a family heirloom, even if it only lasts a decade I have zero problem buying a new PCB at that point.

I'll still always choose the flexibility of being able to change switches whenever I want and the ease of repair if/when a switch does have problems.

Honestly you just sound mentally ill if this is the bridge you choose to die on.

>>106101451
As a tdfag I have nowhere to go other than gachashit, sad.
Also BF4 and minecraft

>>106106416
>Chatter is rarely caused by the socket itself.
Weasel words to defend the fact that the connection (which is mechanical and allegedly rated for 100 cycles) is objectively inferior. This is mental illness.
>I'll still always choose the flexibility of being able to change switches whenever I want and the ease of repair if/when a switch does have problems.
>flexibility
You mean niggercattle consumerism for zoomers who were raised by single mothers.

>>106102361
Cherry MX situation is kinda weird, Enthusiasts love them but tourists hate them
You can confirm this easily by looking to low-end keyboard reviewers, most of them hate Cherry while ones with very expensive keyboard love them so fucking much
I think those budget keyboard reviewers just want to shill new things so they can get affiliate money and keep doing it for every new switches while those with overpriced keyboards are just being autistic about their keyboard

I need a keyboard for my workplace where security policies are strict for peripherals. Basically anything that isn't raw HID inputs will trigger literal alarms lol. How do I go about finding such keyboard? Would anything wired that doesn't have a remapping software and rgb do? My coworkers could plug cheap wired mice from amazon with no problem but idk much about hardware/firmware in general.

>>106106496
You can easily tell you have no real argument when you say shit like this.

If it makes you feel better keep going I guess, but only the dumbest 3rd world retard would think you're making a good argument.

>>106106593
New Model M
pckeyboard.com

>>106106505
>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=mx+black&sp=CAI%253D
They sounds nice...

>>106106596
The "flexibility" you're referring to is actually consumerism. The mech keyboard market looks like cheap aliexpress word salad dogshit.

>>106106910
>you have to pick a single switch you like for the next decade+
>if you want to try out a different switch style or spring weight you have to spend hours desoldering and modifying your switches, or be a consooooomer
you really are buck broken by a fucking hobby huh?

>>106106953
You're so mentally devastated you took it personally when I shat on chinks and their low quality products. And you're repeating the same tired argument of "I want my shit to fail so I can buy another one off aliexpress". That's legit schizophrenia.

>>106106997
Again, I want the ability to change my switches whenever I want.

I ENJOY being able to use heavy tactiles for awhile, but then I might want to use medium weight linears for awhile, and instead of buying a WHOLE NEW KEYBOARD, I can just buy new switches, and my old switches aren't thrown in the trash, I still have them and will switch back to them whenever feel like it.

Trying to couch this as I'm just a "CONSOOOMER" is retarded and just shows again that you lack any real argument.


All you're basically saying is if people don't treat this hobby the exact same way you treat it, they're wrong and CONSOOMING for the sake of it. Discounting any possibility that someone just likes trying out new switches, or enjoys changing their switch style every few months/years.

Hell it can be as simple as buying a keyboard for an isolated office environment but then getting moved into a cubical where you've got lots of people nearby so you want to swap to switches that are much quieter.

Why should I have to buy a whole new keyboard for this just because YOU think hotswap is some chink conspiracy to make you consooom.

I fucking hate having autism sensitivity bullshit powers because I can actually sense the difference between the Gateron G Pro Red and Gateron Red lubrication. The latter just feel stiffer.

>>106107182
I just hate reds.
I just brown or blue.
red just feels heavy.
I know its actually not heavier but it just feels that way.

>>106105562
I just really wish this keyboard had a 100% version with THE SAME SWITCHES, DAMN IT!

This thing right here, advertises the same switches as >>106105562 on the box UNTIL you turn around the back of the box or look up the specifications on the website of the manufacturer.

Is there a way to physically distinguish the Gateron G Pro Red's versus the regular Gateorn Red's visually instead of just by feeling to make sure?

>>106107052
Everything you said there is pure, sweet certified consumerist niggerbabble including the scenario where your imaginary coworkers point and laugh at your outmoded switches while you scurry into the restroom to replace them one by one with your faggy tweezers.

>>106092792
all of these people crying and nobody picked an oscilloscope yet to see what is the issue? this has become a hobby for casuals.

>>106107255
>physically
you mean psychically? use your powers

>mfw going from my stiff and scratchy rubberdomes to linear red switches for the first time
it's so smooth and precise

>>106107397
ikr

I think I'll return to Media Expert in a day or two after thinking over whether to get the GK910K or the GK850K, hopefully the discount they're giving will still be there.

>>106104776
I'd recommend U4Ts over them unless you know for sure you'd prefer the slightly larger/sharper tactile bump on the zealios.

>>106107553
I moved from U4Ts to Zeal Crystals recently and enjoy the sharper tactile feel.

>>106107397
The thing that has always prevented me from getting into mechanical keyboards was being too hesitant to pull the trigger of big bucks (50$+) just to wind up with 60% of the keys when I do other tasks very regularly that make use of the right side of the keyboard. It just feels wrong.

>>106106643
Thanks for the recommendation. I indeed think I should go the PS/2 port route. Sounds like the best way to be cleared in this type of environment. This keyboard looks fantastic by the way. A bit expensive for my plans but it seems like there ain't many options. All I find is 10€ membranes or expensive and old keyboards.

Sirs are banana siwtching linearing?

Anyone knows what layout corresponds to
>EU (USA+ €-Symbol)
For Cherry keyboards? Is it basically an ansi qwerty layout?

>>106107462
saar, you're keycap

>>106106134
im sure there will be

Maybe not normal but is it common for switches to also come out with keycaps if they're too snug?

>>106109661
It's semi-common.

I've got 2 or 3 keycaps in my current set that tend to pull the switch out with them about 30% of the time.

>>106109727
I feel like this whole set of switches was snug with the keycaps and all of them will rip out if I ever pull keys.

>>106109958
Use a tool like this to hold the switch against the plate when removing them.

>>106101451
I don't play any mkb right now

>>106102361
I have mx browns in all my $300+ keyboards. I love them. I am typing on them right now.

>>106109661
Depends on the switch-plate fit. I can usually pull even snug caps from e.g. Cherry switches, but HMX will always pull out with the cap

(to be fair to HMX I haven't owned much from them)

WIP. The other half is still printing right now.

Are there any good keyboards with a layout like this? I need one with media buttons and if they're not dedicated I'd like to see Fn buttons on both sides.

>>106094901
is it one or few specific keys or all keys? have you tried replacing the switches? also pay attention that you are installing the switches correctly to the pcb and that the pins are straight.

What do you guys think about the Das Keyboard 4 Professional? It's rather expensive but it looks pretty nice to me.

Found a guy in my city who sells pic rel for $50, basically new. Yes or no?

>>106086227
I got a prebuilt 36 key keyboard just yesterday, cant understand why you would need more

>>106094030
He can't fit a bigger desk into his pod

>>106112486
Nta, but i genuinely lack enough IQ to understand lily58.
Seems like only the smartest programmers uses these things and that's another homework to do, being a smart programmer.

No money from not having a job = no money for keeb

Even having fancy keeb ≠ smart at the job.

>>106112537
Brown.

>>106112540
Shut the fuck up, he's Aryan.

>>106112540
for me it's buckling springs

>>106086755
it really depends on you and what you want to do. what are you interested in?

>>106090681
linear switches are mushy in general, silent linears are even mushier. most cheap silent tacties are mushy too. you can't go wrong with boba U4 which is the perfect silent tactile switch imo. it is more expensive but it's in a league of it's own when it comes to silent tactile switches.

>>106112486
I couldn't do with less than a 5x7 personally, but whatever makes you prefer is what you should use.

>>106112486
I couldn't do with less than a 5x7 personally, but whatever you prefer is what you should use.

>>106112367
Mostly the space button. The keyboard came prebuilt.

>>106104801
What kind of switches do these use and how do they compare to the GK850K at the same price point? The extra buttons are tempting.

>>106112417
Notch used a Das Ultimate keyboard while programming MeinKraft. You can borrow his power by using it.
>>106112455
Yes. They last forever.

fuck. using vial to program my keys and the calc button doesn't want to open the calculator app. am running win 10 iot ltsc, the old win32calc.exe calculator is still there.

>>106112417
>media controls
Finally, a good mechanical keybard-
>cherry mx brown
BOOOO

Freshly finished. No keycaps, by request of its soon to be owner.

>>106112417
Can't hate, mine lasted 8 years with no problems until the switches started to go. But:
>costar stabs
>tray mount
>flimsy cheap keycaps
>expensive
>sleep button which you WILL press by accident
>protruding top edge causes some mice to left click when you hit the edge of the keyboard
>I don't know whether it's programmable

>>106114091
hmm seems to be something in the OS. was able to launch it when windows starts up but then it stops working shortly after that

What are some good hall effect keyboards?

>>106114415
ok something really weird is going on. it seems like when i'm focused on ANY microsoft management console (MMC) window (be it device manager, event viewer, just has to be MMC), pressing the calculator key opens the calculator. But if I focus on any other program window or even the bare desktop, it does nothing. wtf??

Europoors, is there anything outside of Redragon shit that is not super expensive? I want to get a 75% keyboard but not pay more than 100 for it.

>>106114688
Mad Dog but it's Polish and I've only seen them sell domestically.

>>106114486
all of them mog mechanical keyboards

>>106114688
Changs store

For anyone interested in the NocFree & please use my referral code I beg of you... Gets you the VIP version/discount without paying and gets me a cool little icon on my keyboard. We can both win anon. [spoiler]T3BX7R2H[/spoiler]

>>106114688
I have a Leopold keyboard that are around 100€.

>>106114084
>Notch used a Das Ultimate keyboard while programming MeinKraft.

Real shit?

>>106114218
>cherry mx brown

What's wrong with those? I'm new to all of this.

>>106114270
What would you recommend instead? I'm looking for something high quality and with media controls.

>>106116488
Where'd you get it? The only website I found that sells Leopolds set the cheapest one at $100 and delivery + taxes bring it to $300-400.
>>106114709
Poland seems to be making some decent stuff as of late but I haven't tried any keyboards.

>>106114084
>Yes. They last forever.
Have you tried one of their recent models though? All companies seem to be facing QC issues nowadays and I can't figure out which $100-150 keyboard to buy.

>>106086755
>I can't afford to blow $100-200 for the heck of it
You're either broke or underage

Is there any regular profile mechanical keyboard that isn't tilted diagonally and thick as hell like everything else? I want something that's completely flat, but not low profile

>>106112760
So no other than boba u4? How about ttc bluish white?

>>106112638
Too many things, but i quit once it gets hard or difficult. I realized this years ago already that in order to be good at things i have to be obsessed with it and cut all distractions so i can make what I've practiced stick in my head in order to make progress in life and career, but alas.

>>106118048
Im a third worlder... every amount of cash is always spent on survival

>>106112939
It just works for me, and looks cool too

Hello Hombres,
My Black Widow that I got in 2010 (vor virtually free) died and I'm in the market for a new one.
I primarily use it for gaming, but also for work, so TKL won't be an option.
I tried to do a bit of research myself, so the Keychron Q6/Q5 are probably solid options, but I want to have some feedback here. The fact that the keycaps aren't illuminated pisses me a bit off, asme with the price when HE's keyboards are around the corner, but not really available for me. My goal is to have another keyboard for 10+ years until it breaks. I'd have less of an issue if I could simply go and TRY OUT some keyboards, but every store I got to has the same basic bitch Logitech, Corsair and Razer ones.

>Budget: up to 300 bucks
>Location: Switzerland, CH-Layout a bonus
>I don't care, but if they're silent, and still feel nice, the better. I'm aware that this affects pretty much all switches compared to my current Cherry MX Blue
>: 100 or 96%
>Backlight. I'd like some keyboard that looks nice. also see-through caps are great - but I don't care about deeper customization. I usually just do a flat colour.
>Gayzer Black Widdow Ultimate
Bonus info: I don't have a palm rest currently, so if the keyboard needs one, please say so. I heard the Keychron ones especially are elevated as fuck.

Not sure if this is the best place but I use a 8bitdo leverless and I'm looking for quieter button caps. I have silent switches already (kailh deep sea mini silent) but a new leverless I bought is much louder

Should I buy this?

How is DURGOD as a brand? The name kinda reminds me of Durgasoft. I was looking at the Taurus K320, like the form factor and no frills nature of it. People say it's very durable and reliable. I want something that won't break on my in 5+ years

Tell me about switches. What kinds do you guys like? I really like the idea of the Cherry MX Silent Red ones, I don't like a bunch of noise and so do the people around me.

>>106120202
I like the look of raptor extremes but I don't even think I need speed linears

Hey, anons, why don't you just use normal keyboard, like Logitech K380? Why do you use such noisy and wanna-be-special keyboards?

Serious answers only, please.

>>106120963
>why don't you just use normal keyboard, like Logitech K380
There is nothing normal about that board, not in a good way either

>>106120963
i like buckling springs

>>106120202
I've tried ~60 kinds of keeb switches and own multiple full sets of switches (gateron jupiter brown, durock light tactile, kailh box jade, gateron milkies (green), gateron milk-top black, hmx xinhai, jwick taro, outemu silent lemon), I still firmly believe cherry brown are top-tier switches

>>106121063
How loud are they? Could you use them in an office for example?

>>106081789 (OP)
that shit looks atrocious. kids shouldn't be allowed to buy anything until after 20yo.

This is what existing before the mouse was invented does to a mofo.

I'd love to own a mk, but I don't because I refuse to pay the huge markup just because "it's mechanical!". I'm typing this comment on a decades old Logitech K120 that's even missing some keycaps, that cost me, what, 10 bucks? But you're telling me I can't find a ultra basic key caps set for under $20 because...? "Hey, this Ducky is tacky but doesn't look that bad, how much is it?" $125? Go duck yourself.

The scene is completely nuts, there's no space left for people who just want to type on a mk, it's all about exclusivity, "the endgame", limited editions, artisan caps... Bullshit. There's no "mechanical K120". There's no room left for full sized, affordable, practical, run of the mill, "Ford Model T" mk. So thanks, and good riddance. I'll just buy another K120. I could pay $20, even $40, for "a good feel", but it's not worth $100.

Imagine the same scene on mice. "Hey, are you tired of your ball mouse? Want an optical mouse? Well, the technology is cheap, but we're going to charge you $120, just because!!"

I don't want a mk as a hobby, I want it as a tool. But it looks like we're incapable of conceptualizing a mk as a tool. Sorry for the rant, and pardon my French.

So what is the K120 of mechanical keyboards?

>>106122074
that thing would've been used on a command line interface so not much need for a mouse

>>106122074
>This is what existing before the mouse was invented does to a mofo.
as an old fag, I got far more done in DOS/Unix just using a keyboard before the applications forced me to use a mouse in Windows.

What's the top right most button here?

Also is Topre a good brand? I've heard Japs make good stuff and I was wondering if a Japanese made keyboard is the way to go.

>>106120963
K380 isn't a normal keyboard, it's a faggy keyboard

>>106122407
IIRC it changes the actuation depth.

>>106122186
Do you want chinkshit? It's not that bad

>Imagine the same scene on mice. "Hey, are you tired of your ball mouse? Want an optical mouse? Well, the technology is cheap, but we're going to charge you $120, just because!!"
Check out boardzy for budget gaming mice

>>106122407
topre is meant to be top of the line. not cheap but you get what you pay for

>>106122531
I remapped mine to Windows/Linux Lock lol

>>106120963
I bought a k120 after my 8 year old Das failed. Modern mechanicals have such shit QC.

I just found out today that wired keyboard with rgb drains laptop battery so dang fast

I mean well yeah it's a gaming laptop and gaming laptops are not so good with battery life but damn

My laptop usually drains 15% every 30 minutes but with the rgb on it's 25% every 30 minutes

>3+ hours into 30m/round typing session
>finger muscles get weary
>bones creaking
>typing speed becomes visibly slower
>types harder
>more pain
>types even harder
>rinse and repeat until literally no energy left to type
>wake up and do it all over again
>gets carpal 6mo into this shit
>my shot at winning local typing tourney is ruined
>can't type anything ever again
>even phone keyboards
>had to use voice input for the rest of my life
>typed this post with voice input
>mfw

>>106122373
I used to work for a company that would convert old green screen applications into web apps. In nearly every case, the people who had been using those systems for a long time hated the new web app because it took so much more time to do anything. The green screens loaded up quickly and buffered keystrokes so for certain workflows, they could get several screens ahead of the monitor even if the screens loaded quickly. That's not doable with a web apps, or at least not using standard development patterns.
Even though the old systems worked well, management wanted a web based replacement because it was easier to train new (low cost) employees on it and made the company less dependent on long term employees. The web apps were also easier to maintain since there's no shortage of web devs but people who can write green screens, usually in something like COBOL or Sculptor, are expensive and booked up well in advance.

>>106125781
this is why you take breaks and hit the gym

also are you sure it's carpal tunnel? not all repetitive strain injury ya know

>>106122407
>Also is Topre a good brand?
Not really. They are pretty meh.

>>106122804
>Topre is meant to be top of the line
No they are absolutely not. That's just HHKB marketing.

Is there a mechanical keyboard of any type out there with a layout vaguely resembling pic related?

Seems like having more buttons is the domain of membrane boards usually.

>>106081789 (OP)
Anyone has an opinion about CHERRY KC 200 MX with mx2a silent reds switches? i just need a silent keyboard for the office.

>>106126706
Fn key not enough? Pretty much eliminates the need for those dedicated buttons.

>>106128202
My primary use case is workstation oriented and not gaming, so that is a needless layer of complexity. But I can't stand the feel of membrane multimedia office keyboards. Something like >>106112417 is a step in the right direction but I'd still like more buttons.

>>106127060
>silent reds
Last time I checked those out you should be golden with anything that uses those
Even regular reds seem pretty quiet to me for mechanical keyboards, of course they aren't going to compete with those silent scissor boards but they are pretty reasonable
Depends on the noise profile you want too though, the harder impact sound going through might have too much bass for you to not feel some manner of fatigue for example

>>106125781
>mfw no face

>>106081789 (OP)
is it possible to change the language layout of a keyboard?
all the commercial keyboards are always US layout and my language was different keys. Like the left shift and the enter key are different.

Why do 99% of Mechanical keyboards have two start key but only one Fn key on the left? Who even uses the left Fn key? Who the fuck need two start keys?

>>106129090
I use both start keys. I don't use the right side alt or ctrl.

What happened to WASD keyboards? I loved their caps. I still have two sets in perfect condition. Other keycap manufacturers just can't get the tolerances correct.

>>106128935
They're called ANSI (US) and ISO (Euro). Some custom keyboard PCBs have sockets for both ANSI and ISO, but aside from that if you want your native layout you're stuck with finding an ISO layout keyboard and most likely buying separate keycaps.
For compatibility, avoid keyboards with nonstandard bottom rows: stick to 1.25u+1.25u+1.25u+6.25u+1.25u+1.25u+1.25u+1.25u only.
>>106129090
Who cares, you can remap those on any decent (QMK) keyboard

>>106126706
>>106128316
unicomp m122/model f122?
the model f122 repro has a more modern keyboard layout but it's not cheap at all
they're both rather noisy too so if you're working around other people that'll be a problem

LMFAO

>>106131966
Wow $5 off? What a deal!

>>106132009
In case you missed the 5 DAY group buy period, you can pay a little more for extras. In-stock extras? No, of course not! Pre-order extras!

>>106129090
uh
what keys are you even talking about

>>106132169
>>106132169
>>106132169

>>106132113
he's talking about the windows keys that'd otherwise be in the blank spots of the model m
seems like some keyboards would stick an Fn key there too but i've never seen them, only on the right side.

>>106130119
>unicomp m122/model f122?
I was thinking just that, but man it would be nice to have that many keys and still have something like red switches.