Thread 106084868

You do own a gaming router, don't you?
Imagine not having the lowest pings possible in multiplayer gaming and outside of gaming.

>>106084868 (OP)
>Gayming router
NGMI

>>106084868 (OP)
I don't play Multiplayer games often, singleplayer games are preferable

What kind of person does gamer gear appeal to?

>>106085017
a gamer

>>106085006
single player games are comfy

>>106084868 (OP)
My XR500 was technically marketed as a gaming router but it just runs OpenWRT

>>106084868 (OP)
If your router doesn't have an i5-2500k don't talk to me

>>106084868 (OP)
Are you implying that I game over *hack, gag, urp* wifi????

What's the "gaming port"?
Isolated? Non-firewalled?

>>106084868 (OP)
No anon, I have some old tmobile router that I flashed with firmware it technically doesn't support. Actually I have 3. They work ok except sometimes they disconnect from each other because the backbone is wireless. What's the big deal? I like the lights on yours, though on mine I turn the lights off because blue light is toxic.

>>106084868 (OP)
your router contributes 0.01% of your ping, it's all snake oil my guys (i know you're baiting but some people might believe it)

>>106085657
QoS priority

>>106085277
That's my main computer.

>>106084868 (OP)
Do you consider this to be a "gaming" router?

>>106084868 (OP)
I bought one of those Netgear Nighthawk ones second hand and it had a DD-WRT firmware that basically made all the lan ports unusable and the wifi signal drop down to 0% sometimes. Flashed the original firmware back on to it.
Fuck DD-WRT, seriously. It doesn't do anything better.

I am tired of online shooters that don't have bots. I can't do this anymore with the scum snipers, bunny hoppers, low-settings no-vegetation scum, Monster-drinking, ADHD sweats, speed freaks, min maxers.
I can't. I just want to have fun. Load the thing, get some bots on my level and play like it's 1999 having fun on Unreal Multiplayer with bots.
Ping won't help.

>>106085784
>router has an integrated display
yes

>>106085106
>tfw bought this on sale for 50€ a few years ago
>doesn't run openwrt or merlin
I need to get a newer one, this one is clunky and missing a lot of shit

I did have to get a new router when I got 2gb/s fiber, the old one only did up to 1gb/s on LAN.

>>106086005
Same, I would've still been using my ~6-7 year old router if I didn't need to upgrade for 2gig fiber.

>>106086005
>had 1gpbs fiber
>it got downgraded to 100mpbs ("student" housing)
>just after that they rose service costs, mentioning rising internet prices
good thing I'm only here until the end of my phd

>>106084868 (OP)
Will this give me faster downloads

No
I beg you, just buy a fucking Unify.

>>106086066
>mentioning rising internet prices
I call BS. They're just using that excuse to fleece you all. My internet cost is the only thing that's been decreasing in price over the last few years.

>>106086168
It might, but probably not. Depends on specific circumstances.

>>106085853
>I am tired of online shooters that don't have bots. I can't do this anymore with the scum snipers, bunny hoppers, low-settings no-vegetation scum, Monster-drinking, ADHD sweats, speed freaks, min maxers.
you aren't supposed to play competitive games past ~20 yo my dude, these things are for children and pedophiles

>>106086168
Yes, but not from archive.org

>>106084868 (OP)
You are like a little baby, check this out.

>>106086175
>I call BS. They're just using that excuse to fleece you all.
You don't say anon

>>106086175
I know it's BS yeah, there's no excuse to both downgrade and make you pay more
but as a "student" rentoid I can't do much, even worse than regular renting

>>106084868 (OP)
>Indivisible antennas

>>106084868 (OP)
>Buys riced-up gaming router
>Connects to it over Wi-Fi

>>106086253
Wifi can be pretty good, I can hit over 2000mbps over the air as long as I'm in the same room as my router.

>>106085773
Then you're doing it wrong and you're not going to make it, brother.
Put openwrt on your computer and go get another, faster computer

>>106084868 (OP)
this confuses and angers the zoomer

>>106084868 (OP)
my stupid faggot cousin bought one of these
apparently spent 3 hours trying to "get it to work" before giving up

>>106086219
Yes. I miss having a dedicated ethernet card

>>106086274
It's the latency, retard. Going through the Wi-Fi chip and communication protocols ads a lot of latency.

>>106086572
It's just a Wi-Fi cable. Nothing confusing about it.

>>106084868 (OP)
Sounds like Alienware-tier garbage.

Just slap "For Gamers" on something and brainless consumer drones will buy it.
>"For gamers? Hey! I'm a gamer!"
low IQ bullshit

>>106087677
Meh, only 5-10ms over wired latency for.

>>106084868 (OP)
>lowest pings
who cares?
data doesn't travel over ICMP
go buy a plane ticket or something on Amazon using just ICMP

>>106084868 (OP)
I have a Turris Omnia

>>106084872
Damn that looks pretty cool ngl

>>106085931
vibe code openwrt support for it :^)

>>106084868 (OP)
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IF I DO NOT HAVE EVEN 1MS LOWER I CANNOT PLAY GAME AT ALL. GOTTA STAY COMPETITIVE, HOMOS! THATS WHY I USE RAZZZZEERRRRRRR razer RAZER MICE WITH 8,000 POLLING RATE AND 1,000 POLLING RATE RRRAAAZZZZEERRRRR KEYBOARD WITH OPTICAL SWITCHES BITCHES

I AM A PROFESSIONAL STREAMER.

>>106084868 (OP)
>A gaming port
No, I have a normal home network with a 10-gigabit managed TP-link switch interconnected to some Mikrotik CRS305-1G-4S+IN switches (fibre to upstairs, and fibre from upstairs out the back garden to the shed) and I use the Eero access points my ISP gave my for nothing in bridge mode for WiFi because they're surprisingly capable and I don't really care about WiFi. The router is a desktop PC I built that runs OpenWRT.

Absolutely zero need for any gamer shit at all. My ping to the router is always 0.1ms and I run Cake on the router to fight bufferbloat.

>>106088137
you sound LIKE A FAGGOT

>>106088047
If you're going to buy Asus routers then just run Merlin on them (if that's still a thing?).

>>106084868 (OP)
Are those mesh router/Wifi multi-AP systems any good? Everything important in my house is wired but this house is big and I am having a hard time getting coverage even after switching antennas.

>>106085017
Under 25 year olds

>>106085784
I've currently got an Edgerouter X and AP Lite. I plan on getting one of these once either one of those shit the bed.

>>106088210
Not without wired backhaul. Wireless mesh is crap.

>>106088521
>>106088210
Although, since everything is wired then that obviously includes your access points too, right? A mesh should work great like that, the only issue is sometimes client steering can be meh and clients won't hop quickly enough or well enough from one access point to another (the access point can influence this a bit but the client operating system also has to do its part too)

>>106088521
I can do wired backhaul if needed, just a couple of cable drops.
>>106088533
>the only issue is sometimes client steering can be meh and clients won't hop quickly enough or well enough from one access point to another
This is what worries me. If I'm functionally no better off than simply using a couple of old routers as additional APs, then why shell out the money for """mesh"""?

>>106088619
You're better off, just if you're roaming around and your phone shits itself you may want to manually connect to the right station (even though it's a mesh they still show up as two different networks with the same SSID)

>>106084872
Who would win in a fight?

>>106088795
The one without the useless extra spider antennas that don't do anything.

>>106088795
Me

i got a be58u yes

>>106084868 (OP)
I only have a tp-link ax3000. Does it count?

>>106084868 (OP)
I use my ISP-provided router. werks fine

I use my fast router as an extender to my normal router

>>106084868 (OP)
Just get a GL.iNet MT-6000/Flint 2
You don't need more

>>106085657
In all probability, it does absolutely nothing different to the other ports

>>106088137
that doesn't resemble a normal home network even slightly

>>106085657
>The dedicated gaming port on RT-AX82U automatically prioritizes any wired device connected to it. No complex configuration is needed, just connect your gaming PC or console to the special LAN port to give you a fast, stable connection that's always at the head of the queue.

>>106084868 (OP)
>>106084872
These routers are the perfect devices for the WiFi Tracking System known as "WiFi Motion" which uses your WiFi router to monitor and track movement in your home. ALL routers were designed this way by the CIA, DARPA, MOSSAD, NSA and MILITARY. The internet was DESIGNED for spying and its weapons against us are our routers. The internet IS NOT AND HAS NEVER BEEN ANONYMOUS. With WiFi internet, you're not just connected, you're MONITORED. CONSTANTLY.

>>106086168
Depends, if your coming from a 4 or 5 year old router your ISP provided then probably yes. It will certainly manage multiple devices on wifi more efficiently.

i actually do have one because my roommate left it behind after receiving it as a moving-in gift

he told me he didnt know why it was gotten for him and when he asked his dad he admitted he didnt know where he got it or why he had it either

personally i still just use the shitty Bell router that comes with my plan and i only have my pc on it anyway so there's no need for port priority or whatever. there is literally only one device on it

>>106086168
back in the day they were in fact actually faster than shitty ISP OEM routers sinec they were basically enterprise-y routers crammed in a gaymer shell., but these days networking gear is so cheap that unless it's some truly exotic device it's all the same crap

>>106087667
i have one. i have not observed a difference.

>>106090600
Some ISP routers are just dog shit

>>106085784
More like a gaming PC.

>>106091775
>he doesn't have a server closet in the basement

Lol

Lmao even

Also you can just set the fan to quiet/silent mode in the settings. But I know some people just enjoy bitching.

>>106085784
imagine shoving this thing up your ass

Didn't want to bother with just blatant redditspacing, but it's pretty obvious a router shaped like a vase with a display on the front wasn't went to be put in your incel shed, but do keep defending your overpriced Apple router.

>>106084868 (OP)
>You do own a gaming router, don't you?
Uhm, no. I still use a second hand TP-link 1200 flashed with open-wrt

>>106091958
>I'm still too retarded to go into the settings to turn the fan noise down
Can't help retards.

>>106084868 (OP)
Why does your router port diagram look like the batplane from 1989

>>106085277
your i5-2500k router uses 10x the power mine does for less benefit and speed

I have a gaming router because it was the cheapest option for 2.5GbE. Not really loud, does what I need it to, wish the LEDs would shut up.

>>106092070
Because the setting literally didn't arrive until months after release, dumbfuck. Unifi shills are so disingenuous.

>>106084868 (OP)
>low ping router
larping router more like

THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT LINE!
>(1) the benefits of creating a device or operating system level age verification system;
...
>OPERATING SYSTEM LEVEL

>>106092148
Something that currently has existed for months

How is that disingenuous?

Are you living several months in the past? YOUR argument is disingenuous you stupid fuck.

At least you're proving my point that you just can't help retards

>>106092148
The product was released in late feb, it got the silent fan update in late may.
Unless you were an early adopter, it wouldn't have impacted you much at all. Buying a brand new product at launch without waiting on reviews is dumb anyway and for a company like ubiquiti that frequently updates their software with early access versions if you want the latest features, the silent fan mode was actually first added in 4.2.9 back on April 24th, 2 months after the product was released and a full month before the official release (4.2.12).
I get it you don't like Ubiquiti for whatever reasons you've managed to convince yourself of, but in this case you just look stupid arguing about fan noise in a brand new product that quickly got software updates that addressed the exact issue you're bitching about.

Damn, Unifi has a better shill presence than even Apple on this board.

>>106092734
You are platinum mad

lmao

>>106084868 (OP)
I have this thing because I needed something dirt cheap but configurable. It's horribly slow but so is everything connected to it so whatever. Also only has 2.4ghz wifi, which is probably only there because the soc had it built-in. Extremely situational product, would not recommend unless you are a cheap motherfucker with clear-cut needs.
https://mikrotik.com/product/l009uigs_2haxd_in

>>106085853
Sounds like a skill issue man

I made this thing
I hate ARM

>>106084868 (OP)
Good luck playing fighting games

>>106084868 (OP)
Who needs this shit? I just plug in my USB modem same as I always have over the last 15 years into my computer. I only use 4G/LTE anyway so there's no point in using anything better.

>>106088159
Merlin is a woke vaxtard
That faggot thinks covid exists

>>106089455
It's about as normal as anyone owning a gayming router to be fair. It's a good setup though. If anyone is serious about networking then I encourage you to split your network up like that:
>A core switch
>A router (that only routes; No WiFi)
>Access points
Your network will be faster and more reliable

>>106095414
The firmware is decent if I understand correctly though. It's got to be better than Asus's dogshit at least.
(I don't buy Asus access points but if I did I'd use Merlin).

>>106093867
I don't hate ARM but it's fair to say it hasn't exactly taken over the DIY PC building world. If I could buy a mainboard and do a build comparable to my current router (it has a 5700G in it which is important because that maps nicely to my network cards hardware queues which means I can have a 1:1 mapping whereby each hardware queue goes to a dedicated CPU core/thread) then I would.

ARM shit is not for serious computing though.

>>106095452
It's an improvement over stock but I upgraded to using OpenWRT

>>106095496
OpenWRT would be my first choice too if it's supported.

>>106084868 (OP)
There's no such thing as a 'gaming router,' as much as you have a router using the latest standards, with a QoS engine and RGB.

Anything that is truly 'enhanced' is probably using proprietary technology because "fuck you buy more of our shit."

>>106084868 (OP)
I have a Unifi Dream Machine which is only on the shallow end of the real network equipment pool. But for my home use is more than enough.

>>106095543
It is all FOSS running Linux but configured in a really shit way and on hardware that's far too expensive for what it is.

>>106092398
>*Linux intensifies*

>>106089684
If every router is capable of this, why is there still no publicly available open-source implementation?

>>106095514

https://openwrt.org/toh/openwrt/one

>>106095572
There probably is it's just not some "spying thing" that you'll find on Github. Wireless access points have radios in them, no shit that can be used to map out your location in your home based on signal propagation and probably more advanced sensors crammed into these things these days (not a radio expert but of course it's possible).

The real question is why anyone should care if the spooks know you're currently shitting yourself on your toilet and browsing 4chan at the same time. It can't be useful intel for them.

>>106091958
>do keep defending your overpriced Apple router
I will. Apple routers are the best routers.

>>106095589
That looks very nice (could do with Wifi7 but support for that is still young anyway. Most people's laptops/tablets/phones/etc won't support it yet). I'd buy a couple of these if I cared about Wifi. I mostly run OpenWRT as a router/firewall box though.

>>106095608
>It can't be useful intel for them.
You feed all the data into an AI trained on the behavioural patterns of known terrorists and it will provide you with the names and addresses of high-risk individuals who are then quietly shot.

>>106095630
This thing was fucking amazing in its heyday. I still have it today providing WiFi access in my shed. It's no good for the home anymore but works okay out there for the limit use its used for.

>>106089530
do i plug my computer into the non gaming port when im done gaming?

>>106095646
Yes. Your computer will overheat and die otherwise.

>>106095634
https://www.amazon.ca/Banana-Bpi-R4-Router-MT7988a-Onboard/dp/B0CQM1WFW7

>>106085784
why is screen so smol?

>>106095630
>>106095645
The people that were responsible for making Apple routers good moved on and started Ubiquiti

>>106095634
https://www.banana-pi.org/web/index.php?topclassid=16&classid=76&id=155&wap=1

>>106095645
I only have 100mbps Internet service so it's perfect. I'm still using it, right now, to post in this thread.

>>106095682
Cause it's really just to see current network activity at a glance, it doesn't serve any other purpose really.

>>106095682
It's trying to match the size of an Indian man's penis

>>106088159
that one isn't supported

The rooter provided by my isp is not good enough for quest 3 and all the shit connected to it, what is the go to rooter to get?

>>106093605
Top kek

>>106095423
This is the way. But I wouldn't say it's faster and more reliable by default unless you know what you're doing. You also need the wiring infrastructure to support unless you're creative with hiding cables.

>>106095684
No wonder why Ubiquiti can be so fucking shit some times.

>>106097618
If you don't know what you're doing then you will learn pretty quickly whenever you fuck something up.

ISP router in bridge mode -> Edgerouter 10gig -> Netgear switch -> machines. Everything is wired.

>>106097653
You have greater faith in humanity than I do, anon.

>>106097653
>>106097688
most prosumer/soho level stuff will auto-configure itself enough that wouldnt necessarily have to change anything. If you did tinker around with something and cause an issue at worst a factory reset will get you going again. You really only would run into real configuration issues if you were running real enterprise level stuff at home, which you wouldnt because that is pretty silly for most scenarios

>>106097744
>if you were running real enterprise level stuff at home, which you wouldnt because that is pretty silly for most scenarios
There's some great deals to be had on surplus entry level enterprise gear that has zero licensing. Not an unusual scenario at all.

>>106084868 (OP)
are the antennas really invisible? how do they manage that?

>>106084868 (OP)
no. I would be embarrassed to have something like that in my home. Same goes for LEDs and "gamer chairs"

>>106097780
I know, thats why I just said it was silly. Not that you shouldnt use it. Its definitely an overkill/unnecessary thing but if its a good deal why not.

>>106091958
the apple routers were actual peak and helped normalize a lot of features that come standard today

>>106098311
Ubiquiti is literally the spiritual successor to the apple routers.

>>106095572
>>106095608
>>106095641

>>106098971
>to sense motion between the gateway and your selected wifi connected devices
You people are fucking retarded. This is the most primitive form of echolocation imaginable. And even it was something to be concerned about, you're not running some closed source firmware that can and has already been doing much worse things for your privacy, right...?
OEM router firmware sends device MAC addresses and whatever other crazy shit back to home base. That is significantly worse than this baby shit echolocation.

>>106097788
Industrial autismbox w/ 30 blinkylights is just as bad honestly. Routers should have minimal presence.

>>106095572
>If every router is capable of this
They aren't; only the ones that double as access points are (and probably dedicated access points as well)

>>106099094
NOTHING you said here changes the facts.

>>106084868 (OP)
> imagine using wifi.

>>106085767
Proofs?

Whats a good cheap router with gigabit ethernet
Still using a 10 year old tplink that doesn't even have 5ghz kek
Shit refuses to die

>>106100717
Do a traceroute -I 1.1.1.1 (or tracert 1.1.1.1 for winblows users)

Your router will have fuck all latency and the majority of the latency increase will be in the middle (you know, the bit that is actually responsible for routing your data packets from point A to point B via a sophisticated global network of routers and switches).

If your access point is smart and de-prioritising ICMP, you may even see a very high ping for the first few hops and even potentially packet loss but this doesn't contribute to the end result in the last hop (low ping and no packet loss).

>>106099872
The lights are programmable for, color, brightness, blinking activity/solid connection, and source. Or you can turn them off if you tism allows it.

>can't wire my house for ethernet without a full refurb
>Got a good deal on Google's nest WiFi a few years back
>Got progressively more shit, features disappearing, issues with certain devices that would be fixable if they actually let do anything more than surface level config
I'm fucking desperate to replace it, but also aware that I'll be $500 in the hole before I even know if the devices I'm purchasing would work any better. I suspect I'll still need a mesh setup unfortunately. Every router I look at seems to have an even split of reviews either saying they're flawless or they're garbage and unusable. Such a fucking headache.

>>106084868 (OP)
Where does the phone line go?

>>106101940
Lol

Lmao even

>>106085784
>tic tac shaped home router with a SFP port
is this real life?

>>106101011
>connect to glowflare
lmao even

>>106084868 (OP)
axe-16000 is kino. 2x10g

>>106104394
Yes, and it's SFP+

>>106105187
UCG-Fiber is $280 and has 3x 10G ports (2xSFP+ and 1x10GbE)
Two SFP+ 10GbE modules will run $25-45 each, assume $30 each for $60, then add an access point for wifi at $200. For to $540 total and you get an additional 10GbE port and instead of 4x 1GbE like on the Asus, you get 4x 2.5GbE.

So basically the same price as the GT-AXE16000 ($530 VS $540) but you get faster ports, and one more of them.

The Asus only makes sense if you like the aesthetic or just REALLY hate ubiquiti.

>>106102699
The gayest curated response in the internet to date, used by pathetic faggots whose entire life is made up of lame fads

>>106105753
Says the retard who thinks a router needs a phone line.

It's a router, not a modem you dumb fuck.

Not to mention any modern phone should have ethernet or wifi and be on VoIP

>>106104436
You are connected to them right now in order to post that comment.

>>106105401
If I needed 10Gbps on my router, this is what i'd buy today.

But there should be some cheaper/better 10GbE switches and routers hitting the market over the next year or so as the new Realtek 10GbE chips are affordable and MUCH lower power than previous generation 10GbE stuff.

You don't need anything more than 1Gb/s
Even 100Mb/s is overkill for most usages

>>106107309
(you) don't, but i do.

>>106107335
Do you just copy files between NAS all day?
Even my home server, seeding hundred of torrents, serving nextcloud to multiple peoples and serving more shit and video games doesn't actually require a lot of bandwidth.

>>106084868 (OP)
my 20$ thinkpad running openBSD is faster than your 4000$ proprietary "gaming" scam

>>106107372
No, I just enjoy downloading things quickly, and I can easily afford the service.

If your bloat grade isnt A or better then you're scammed

https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat

>>106107513
Sometimes it's not your fault, it can be a problem with the routing between your ISP and the waveform test server.

Still a good test though.

>>106095630
i've gotten lucky and found these on flea markets for ultra cheap lately.
the time capsule routers have standard 3.5'' SATA HDDs in them, if you need cheap storage.

What's the best way to have the antennas on this thing? I have devices in the floor above and below.
Since installing it all my devices have shown improvement over my last router, except my xbox series x, which got slower.

https://www.amazon.com/GL-iNet-GL-MT6000-Multi-Gig-Connectivity-WireGuard/dp/B0CP7S3117

>>106108012
They're generally omni directional antenna, so moving them around wont do TOO much, either physically move the router closer, or buy an extender.

>>106084868 (OP)
i dont own a router op

>>106108214
Y not

>>106107573
Youve got a shit router if your bloat on 2gbytes is 10ms

>>106108253
Lmao oh okay bud

Glad to see your own to prove me wrong.

>>106108253
at 2gig it's entirely possible the latency isn't local, there are plenty of peering servers that could increase loaded latency just due to how they handle their queues/buffers at higher throughput. Could also be the ISP itself at those speeds, the core routers are generally tuned for consistent throughput more than the lowest possible latency, especially on residential connections.

>>106108012
You're supposed to have different APs for every floor. The signal radiates perpendicular to the antennae.

>>106088795
all of these have shit CPUs they're a fucking scam

>>106108288
Im unfortunate to tell you

>>106108386
I'm poor.
Also wouldn't they interfere with each other?

>>106108629
Lmao ahh yes, my 2gbps 17ms loaded latency is totally worse than your 43mbps 19ms loaded latency


Glad to see you're confirming for us all that you're just retarded.

>>106107573
2000Megabits/s * 10ms = 20 MB Buffer LAG
Your router is def on the worse side, probably maintaining only a simple FIFO queue.

>>106108703
My guy, you can't even do basic math.

2000mbps is 250MB/s, so 10ms would be 2.5MB, not 20MB.

Not to mention you clearly don't even understand what you're saying, you just typed technobable that LOOSELY makes sense to a moron who doesn't understand bufferbloat.

>>106108756
ofc I was talking about 20 megatits, doesnt change anything you are missing out on the good ping if your 2 lines are loaded. You probably dont teven know FIFO ringbuffer

>>106108823
>you are missing out on the good ping if your 2 lines are loaded
Ah yes, because I always find myself hitting 2000mbps download and upload WHILE I'm playing video games


And again, 10ms of loaded latency on a 2gbps connection isn't terrible by ANY stretch, most consumer routers, if they even have WAN ports capable of those speeds, would see 20-50ms+ of loaded latency.

10ms is on the LOWER end of the spectrum before you get into x86 routers using 5x the energy, or higher-end enterprise routers that cost $5k+.

>>106107573
Puma7 chipset modem?

>>106108877
No modem at all

It's an NGPON2 Calix ONT.

>>106108253
Could be the modem you giant faggot

>>106108652
Go be a tech Luddite somewhere else kid

>>106108895
That's as gay as AIDS

>>106108960
at 2gig it could be any number of things, it's just not a common speed (yet) for residential internet and ISPs and datacenters don't particularly optimize for absolute lowest latency when dealing with multi-gig connections

>>106108979
Says the retard comparing sub 50mbps loaded latency with someone showing 2000mbps loaded latency.

>>106108999
I'd much rather be on fiber than DOCSIS, which is literally AIDS.

>>106108869
Thats why its better for you if you downgrad your line and save some money to get better ping in your games. You can thank me later

works for me

>>106084868 (OP)
Anyone have experience with the Arris S33? Might need to replace my modem soon and this seems to be the best. It's expensive though...

>>106109019
You really don't seem to understand what bufferbloat is showing...

That 10ms of added latency ONLY shows up when I'm hitting my download bandwidth to 2000mbps+

I can download at 1000mbps and it's rock solid 1-2ms of additional latency.

So as long as I'm not downloading at beyond 1gbps WHILE I'm doing something latency sensitive, it really doesn't matter.

Why should I sacrifice my download speeds for zero real-world benefit?

>>106109014
You're a massive poser and no one cares about you and your problems kid

imagine loaded latency being a problem
17879563294

>>106109096
How am I a "poser"?

You're the only one speaking on matters you clearly have zero real-world experience with

>well I get low latency on my 40mbps so you OBVIOUSLY have a shit router if you get similar latency on 2000mbps

The only poser here is yourself thinking you have any understanding of bufferbloat at such extreme bandwidths.

Turns out at 2000mbps you run into latency from ISP core router queues/buffers, their own QoS, and then peering point router's queues and buffers as well.

The idea that 10ms is bad because you've seen lower on your own 40mbps connection is frankly laughable.

>>106109132
Do the waveform test if you're not a pussy. >>106107513

>>106108165
they're omni on a horizontal plane
>>106108651
well, probably not due to the antennas not emitting much up and down. if it was really an issue just put them on different frequencies or something.

>>106109045
I want the BE24000 but it's too expensive.

>>106109132
I mean, it looks like you're just using an x86 router to limit your bandwidth by ~5-10% to smooth out your latency.

I personally prefer higher throughput to slightly lower latency under load considering the number of times I'm doing something latency sensitive while downloading at 2gbps is almost never.

Also, posting a speedtest result from a month and a half ago isn't the most convincing argument you could make, especially when we're discussing the waveform bufferbloat test which is much more in-depth compared to the latency testing speedtest.net does.


and oh look, pic related I have only 1ms of loaded latency for downloads according to speedtest.net, but 12ms of loaded latency on the upload. Maybe, just MAYBE it's the ISP/Peers adding latency and not my router.

>>106109054
You're a whiny little faggot

>>106109147
You're confusing two different people and you're severely homosexual

>>106108979
>Go be a tech Luddite somewhere else kid
>>106109096
>You're a massive poser and no one cares about you and your problems kid
Seems pretty clear cut they're the same poster.

>>106109286
>It looks like
you would be wrong

>>106109484
Great, then do the waveform test and prove it.

Or better yet, do the waveform test AND post your router.

>>106109503
pic related, go crazy
router here: >>106109045

>>106109558
>>106109503
and the results link:
https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=a17fe1b9-d276-4939-9181-d6de1ac8a7c5

Sometimes it lags a little but I guess I can deal with it

>>106109045
This or a UDR7?

>>106085024
No d?????iddy frfr????? on god yo mam??????a on a tues?????day???????????

>>106109599
They're two different price points aren't they?

BE9300 is $199 on amazon right now, UDR7 is $280.

Hell, the BE9300 has a $20 coupon making it $180.

>>106095608
nigger these chinky routers have like 10 MB of ram

>>106109599
>10Gb in
>2.5Gb out
what the fuck
you can’t even cap this without 4 devices at max?
and apparently it peters out around 6-7Gbps according to reviews.

>>106109819
It's cause 2.5GbE WAN chips suck ass, so everyone uses 10GbE even if the rest of the hardware can only do 2.5-5gbps.

>>106108651
You're supposed to put them on different channels like other Anon said.

Read wiisfi.com.

>>106109653
The BE550 only has 2x2 for each frequency.

>>106107309
>Even 100Mb/s is overkill for most usages
You vill not access ze 4K HDR DOLBY VISION™ rips on your network.

>>106108214
You better route your own packets or someone will route them for you.

>>106110025
then you buy the BE9300

>>106110025
The UDR7 is also 2x2

>>106084868 (OP)
>gaming port
What does it do bros?

>>106110203
See >>106089530

>>106110215
I have a feeling this gaymen router doesn't even have smart queue management, huh?

>>106084868 (OP)
Yes, I chose this over anything enterprise because I didn't want to pay a fortune for 10gbe uplink and wanted the freedom to install packages on my router at will. It's running Asus Merlin and I have never been happier with a router before. I have a 5gbps fiber internet connection so the sfp+ port is a requirement. I bypass my ISP modem using an sfp fiber module. The USB port of this router is powering a small 20mm noctua fan attached to the sfp module for cooling. It's very nice and free when you don't have multiple boxes for your internet connection. Shit just fucking works, my home server is connected to the 10gbe lan port.

>>106110335
Does is use this? I use it on my pfsense router.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoDel

They don't know about the Kevin Wi-Fi 6E

>>106085017
Failed normies

>>106112908
Cake is better than CoDel
>>106110335
What's "traditional QoS"? Whatever that is you probably don't want it. The "Adaptive QoS" might be smarter though whatever that is.

>>106108253
Any increase under load of 15ms or below is tolerable (but lower is obviously better).
If you start getting more than 15ms of bloat then that's when you know something is wrong. A 10ms increase of latency under load is nothing. It's not like you're doing high frequency trading from your home.

>>106110040
Even 4K HDR videos are far from 100Mb/s.
You maybe get close to it at 120FPS.
I do have a Gigabit WAN and LAN, but for a home with 2 people I realise it's overkill, even for a nerd for me with a /homeserver/

>>106084868 (OP)
Why does your piece of chink plastic shit look like a space invader? Have you no shame?

>>106101940
This models just a router, not a modem/router combo m8.

>>106085026
yeah I don't like online. they make you 'sign up' for it like social media. no thank you

>>106113667
4k HDR UHD blurays can peak at around 130mbps, though average bitrate is usually 50-80mbps.

>>106114749
Few if anyone is streaming 4K HDR remuxes from their Plex or Jellyfin server though. It's all compressed as fuck Netflix shit.

I don't use any routers.

>>106115789
It's not as few as you think

I'd guess at least 50,000-100,000 people in the world do so.

>>106107513
Pretty good for a starlink mini on the roam unlimited plan (which deprioritizes you compared to residential and business customers) with a literal bottom of the barrel mikrotik l009 hooked up to it

>>106113987
>DSL port
Look at the picture again

not like this

>>106107513
with a 15 years old basic ISP router and a 30€ plan

>>106084868 (OP)
Nah the lag is what makes me win

>>106115855
Streaming bdmux at full 4k remotely is a really small demographic. Most phones, tablets, laptops, hotel TVs, ... aren't 4k. Jellyfin and Plex are going to see that and transcode.

>>106088025
>that clit nodule

I own a $300 Asus gaming router and replaced it with a $85 linksys router that I flashed openwrt on. It completely mogs it in every way and it can even use Cake and it runs better and does more than that waste of money that actually had the fucking nerve to tell me that I needed to give up metrics and data for something as simple a QoS
>My internet speeds
I don't have a usecase for more yet that's the only reason why I haven't upgraded.

>>106116697
>DSL port Look at the picture again
Duh, thats why I posted the modem/router version so op could see the difference.

>>106118646
Did your parents have any children that lived?

>>106118708
I bet they regret that, your so ugly etc, etc.

>>106091912
where I live nobody has a basement

>>106107513
linksys wrt32x with a 1gbps connection, with sqm
considering getting the openwrt two router sometime down the line, the specs looks nice on paper and i really need a configurable router with access to 6ghz channels with big throughput for future proofing (my isp has plans for 2gbps and offers 10gbps in other areas, so it coming here is an eventuality)

>>106118921
There's no point planning for the "eventually" unless you can make use of this in your LAN today (e.g bulk fast transfers over WiFi).

I have a 10-gigabit LAN but my wireless is a bunch of Eeero 6 access points my ISP gave my running in bridge mode. I don't really need fast WiFi speeds, everything important is running with a cable connection. The most important metric for me really is that it shouldn't fall apart with many iOT shit devices connected to it at the same time but there's only so much you can do to make a 2.4 Ghz WiFi work well. I try to use Zigbee now instead when I can.

I got fiber hooked up yesterday. I had a router but they hooked one up for me for free and it is getting 8ms ping. Why would I use a gaming router? And why would I use WiFi for gaming?

>>106119163
I need fast wifi speeds now (vr wifi streaming is very intensive and this current router isn't cutting without some compromises), and fast lan speeds eventually.
I already have everything planned out to try to make use of 10gbps speeds even if my ISP doesn't support it in the future I can still make use of it in other areas, won't be very difficult to pull off once the pieces fall into place.

>>106101940
If you're on DOCSIS, most modern high speed modems don't support phone lines at all, and the few that do are standalone modems, not modem/router combo devices

pic related

>>106084868 (OP)
No, I have something more powerful.

>>106119439
Where I am it's the opposite. All the modems with phone service are combo units.

>>106119439
DOCSIS is going to fuck you're ping regardless unless it's a hybrid RFOG deployment but even then they really should be moving to fibre. Shitty aged copper in the ground does not perform so well. I switched off of my cable provider the first day their competitor got fibre in my street.

>>106120108
They give me 2200mbps down and 330mbps up

>>106120124
Over a cable network? That's probably actually RFOG then which is fibre most of the way and shitty copper cabling for the last mile.

>>106119621
>10Gb SFP
>1Gb RJ45
what is the fucking point kek
imagine not even being able to cap your connection, and being stuck at GbE on the local network.
What a piece of shit kek

>>106120145
You don't need more than 1Gbps. You're falling for a meme yet again.

>>106120158
It's definitely nice to have for backups and torrenting, etc, but not something most people will need.
I would kill to even have gigabit upload because my ISP is retarded and deployed GPON I have to make do with 100mb/s upload instead even though this is all gigabit and I get 900mb/s download.

>>106120137
Yes DOCSIS.

Comcast has "sub split" DOCSIS which has ~30-40Mbps upload speeds with ~42MHz of spectrum allocated
"Mid split" DOCSIS which has ~75-150mbps upload speeds with up to ~85MHz allocated
"High split" DOCSIS which has ~200-350mbps upload speeds with up to ~204MHz allocated

The sub split parts of the network are generally limited to 300mbps up to 1.2gbps download speeds.

The mid split and high splits areas have usually up to 2.1Gbps (real world I see ~2200-2300mbps).

>>106120158
>YOU DONNTTT NEEED IT
>USE CASE? USSSEEE CASE?
Sorry, I edit raw video off a NAS, download and seed torrents, and I don’t want to wait 20 minutes to download the latest 150GB AAA slop when my friends are already playing.
Not to mention the additional bandwidth leaves room for other latency-sensitive tasks.
Cope and seethe.

>>106120211
I have a symmetrical 1Gbps connection now. They offer up to 2.5Gbps symmetrical now and plan on rolling out 10Gbps symmetrical soon but I just don't see the point. It's nice when I download or upload something large however 99.99999% of the time the connection is getting use at less than 10Mbps. It doesn't take much to play youtube videos all day on a HTPC and browsing.

>>106120246
>99.99999% of the time the connection is getting use at less than 10Mbps
some of us actually use our connections, so its not pointless.

>>106120211
>my ISP is retarded and deployed GPON
That's not retarded, GPON has over 1gbps upload aggregate and can easily support 4-6 1gig customers on a PON as long as they're not all slamming their connections 24/7

I was on GPON for 16 years before getting upgraded to NGPON2 recently and I had symmetric gigabit service for ~7 years and was always seeing 850-940mbps download and upload.


And GPON has clear upgrade paths with either XGS-PON, NGPON2, and other newer PON technologies as most of the newer PON standards have GPON backwards compatibility support, so ISPs can upgrade backhaul links while keeping customers on GPON ONTs until they're ready to deploy newer customer equipment whenever the ISP has the cards in place.

>>106120256
For what? Unless you're running a VPN endpoint or tor node or seeding lots of torrents I don't see what you're downloading all day.

>>106120234
Interesting. How do they make that even remotely usable? My experience with DOCSIS is that it's usually an oversubscribed mess.
>>106120260
>as long as they're not all slamming their connections 24/7
They are retarded, yes. The fibre itself is 2.5 gig I think but the way they have it split they can't offer more than 100mb/s upload. They are trialling symmetrical gigabit speeds in certain areas but I won't hold my breath.

>>106120263
>torrents
>downloading and uploading AI models
>Uncompressed 4K video editing from NAS
>Family multi-streaming from Jellyfin (transcoding disabled)
>syncing phone backups
Even just AI shit needs fast connections. I’m not waiting 2 hours to download a single model to find out its a piece of shit.

>>106120284
>How do they make that even remotely usable?
Lots of infrastructure and not oversubscribing.

I'm in one of the wealthier densely populated areas of the US.

They have to compete with a fiber ISP offering GPON with 1:8 splits (so they can easily offer symmetric 1Gbps) to everyone. Though they're slowly upgrading to NGPON2 and offering 2gbps symmetric service.

So yeah, they just spend a shit ton of money building a robust DOCSIS network.

It does mean $80-110/month for faster speed tiers though.

>>106120331
I guess that's what happens when you live in a wealthy area so they care about competing.
I left the last cable provider I was stuck working the day their competitor first got fibre layed in the street. I was one of the first addresses to have it switched on. The cable provider didn't give a shit about competing with them. They are slowly migrating to fibre but this is a years long endeavour at this point, not something that will happen quickly.

They do plan to offer symmetric speeds and also multi-gig, and 10-gigabit in the future too though so I will probably end up switching back to them if these upgrades ever materialise. Being stuck on a retarded ISP that can't even offer gigabit upload is no fun when you want to share torrents with others or host web services, etc, (and yes, I am aware that most people don't do these things).

what's the new /g/ meta with routers, which one do I buy for open-wrt support?

>>106120424
Open-WRT can’t do above about 800Mb because the SQM is CPU only, no hardware accel.
just buy a good router with the features you need.

>>106120528
A Raspberry Pi can shape at gigabit and cake-mq is in development which allow for proper multi-threading on a beefier system (I've been using it on my custom x86_64 router).
https://github.com/mq-cake/linux-mq-cake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TQ4brmRMeQ

>>106120551
>indev
lol
call me when it can support first world connections.

>>106120584
Did you even watch the video?
(No, of course you didn't because I only just posted it)

>>106120599
I can skim through some charts.
They didn’t even state the hardware used so it means nothing.
I don’t give a shit about theoreticals.

>>106120619
They do state the hardware. This is on AMD (Epyc or Threadripper, I can't remember which). You can get good results with slower hardware too though as long as it can handle multi-threading well enough and you've got multiple hardware queues in your NIC it is a big difference.

>>106120638
>you just need a turdripper aka hardware most consumers aren’t gonna have
i am laffin
enjoy your 1.2Gb maximum

>>106084868 (OP)
Nah. I use the one provided by my ISP and use wifi to play my competitive esport games.

>>106120656
I'm running this on a 5700G (rate-limited to gigabit because that's what my Internet supports but it can do more than that. I get close to the theoretical maximum in iperf3 if I turn off all of the rate limits). You won't need a super computer for this, just something with multiple cores/threads and a NIC with multiple hardware queues. It is a big improvement in scalability where previously it had no multi-threading at all and you could attach multiple Cake qdiscs to the mq qdisc but they did not share a global rate.

>>106120678
>>106120638

>>106120686
Thanks for that. I don't know why I thought they were using AMD.

>>106085784
Ubiquiti junk is a sure sign of a dumbass who thinks he's "pro".
>>106105322
it's also pointless since it only has 2.5Gbit on the LAN side (wifi doesnt count)

>>106120714
>>106120678
>>106120638

>>106120715
>it's also pointless since it only has 2.5Gbit on the LAN side (wifi doesnt count)
Not really since I get lower latency using the 10Gbps SFP+ port for WAN compared to the 2.5GbE WAN port.

Also the ONT it's connected to is 10GbE and prefers operating at 10GbE and can cause issues if you try to operate it at 2.5GbE, it's why my ISPs provided router also uses a 10Gbps WAN port (though native 10GbE instead of SFP+)

>>106120731
There is some throughput loss, yes. That's always the tradeoff.

>>106120758
30% in just that particular example isn't stellar.
and that isn't even a worst case scenario.

>>106120766
At these speeds it's negligible. Oh, no, I only have 7gb/s available. What will I do?
If you want maximum throughput, latency be damned then you use a pfifo queue. Your interface is always fully utilised at 100% so surely that means you're going fucking fast and fast is good, right! How cares about all of the packets waiting in the back of the queue, doesn't matter you're getting 100% utilisation at 10gb/s out of it!

>>106084868 (OP)
>gaming router
>gaming mouse
>gaming keyboard
>gaming pc
Imagine being so retard that you turn a powerful computer into a video game.

>>106120829
Some of us still care about quality of service.

>>106101940
>>106113987
DSL is still a thing? I doubt the speeds can even go faster than 10mbs

>>106120927
Theoretically it can support a few hundred Mbps with G.fast but there aren't many ISPs that use it.

Basically fiber node in your neighborhood with DSL loop for the final few hundred meters. Because of the short distance you can get 100mbps at up to 500 meters, or a few hundred Mbps if shorter distance.

MGfast can supposedly do like 4gbps (aggregate) over telephone lines. Though distance is even shorter than G.fast for those high speeds.

>>106120840
yeah, quality of service like getting my full connection
keep coping retard, I’ll keep my hardware acceleration on a 10W box.

>>106121051

>Basically fiber node in your neighborhood with DSL loop for the final few hundred meters.
so what the UK, AU etc did before FTTH, aka FTTC

>>106121104
Enjoy your latency spikes. Hardware offload will never give you flow isolation like Cake will.

>>106120528
https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/traffic-shaping/sqm
seems like a mediatek router with hardware offloading capabilities for SQM solves your proposed issue

>>106121114
Yes but ideally not as Jewishly oversubscribed.

i SUFFER with overprovisioned HFC. literally like 600 down/945 up. and my seeds still dont get downloaded because it's not fiber

>>106121125
>because it's not fiber
No it's likely because peering from your ISP sucks and you're not a very connectable peer within the swarm.

>>106121118
blud with sub gigabit talking about latency spikes :skull:

>>106121162
Not really. It's trivial for one single host to slam the upload/download and without per-host or per-flow isolation RIP your connection.

>>106121169
>enables hardware QoS that comes even on basic ASUS, TP-Link, Zyxel etc routers
ok

>>106121176
That doesn't do what you think it does. It won't enforce fairness at the flow or host level only at the packet level.

>>106121188
On no, oh god, what will I do?

>>106121188
>I don’t know the difference between Adaptive/Smart QoS, where you can dial down to the application type priority, and traditional QoS which is a glorified bandwidth limiter
ok

>>106084868 (OP)
My "router" is contained in a virtual machine. Wifi is not something I need.

>>106121222
Suffer with latency spikes. You really want host and flow isolation to prevent any one host from monopolising the connection.

>just configure qos bro
no this shit is confusing

>>106121244
>this shit is confusing
Use:
overhead conservative

There, confusion gone.

>check my TP Link Router
>Flow control for LAN and WAN
>QoS up to 2.5Gbps
>Device Priority
>all configurable from GUI
Zamn, and I didn't need to install some freetard shit and tinker in the command line
crazy

>>106121332
Turn flow control off. That shit is broken and never works right. It can cause your ISP to switch your interface off which will make it disconnect, etc.

with qos

>>106121374
FUCK i meant without*
this is with, get completely raped

>>106121401
using about 40% cpu during the test

>>106121401
>>106121374
>lost 60-100Mb bandwidth
>still couldn’t get sub 5ms

>>106121439
yeah thats on a $120 router too lmao i think this shit's a meme. maybe if i had an x86 router it would be worth. or perhaps i configured it wrong

>>106121439
>>still couldn’t get sub 5ms
Not them, but that's mostly down to ISP routing. I can theoretically get sub 5ms but in the real world everything is normally at least 7-10 ms ping if it's got good peering.

F+ here.

>>106121455
What's under the statistics tab? Do they expose the drops/marks/overlimits?

>>106121492
that's +5ms on top of your existing latency, not 5ms total.

>>106118722
Kill yourself faggot

>>106121679
U first

>>106084868 (OP)
OpenWRT compatibility comes above all else.

>>106095608
>The real question is why anyone should care if the spooks know you're currently shitting yourself on your toilet and browsing 4chan at the same time. It can't be useful intel for them.
Kind of hard to grab Matilda and her little 000-buck gnomes when SWAT is busting in and you're on the shitter or showering.

>>106122153
>She doesn't shower with her pistol

>>106122120
>OpenWRT
Is this better than DD-WRT?

>>106122302
If you care about it being open source it is. Modern dd-wrt is a glorified pajeet remix rom for Broadcom hardware.

>>106122952
I've had really bad experience with anything running DD-WRT. It makes things worse, not better. Here >>106085786
This is nothing new either. I tried it on other routers from Netgear, Dlink etc. and it made things worse, not better.
But if OpenWrt is better, I'd be inclined to try it.

It was a good thread while it lasted