Thread 106091573

We need to start getting on TOR the next wave of censorship comes in!

VPN's aren't going to cut it

>>106091573 (OP)
I will when its absolutely necessary because its slow as fuck!!!

>>106091587
I think it's become necessary If tale photos or video footage of illegal migrants boat crossing in UK you can get prosecuted under online safety act!

basically freedom of press has died in UK

>>106091573 (OP)
the only boards that will get ID verified in this shithole will be /b/ /pol/ and all the coomer shit. nothing of value was lost

>>106091573 (OP)
stop being a drama queen, /g/ isnt going to be censored.

>>106091573 (OP)
i2p is superior

>>106091882
I ain't talking about just 4chan idiot we're talking about the internet as a whole.

>>106091573 (OP)
im a newb to tor, is it possible to anonymize yourself on the clearnet or is tor specifically for .onions?

>>106092510
It works on clearnet too, not just .onion links

Iranian, Chinese and Russian anons have confirmed Tor, I2P and Hyphanet all work under their regimes. We just need people on any of them and then the best will take over in time.

What altnet sites (not just tor) are there that actually are "alive" i.e. see more than a dozen posts a month? What altnet communities are there?

Widespread use of illicit content it is gov'nor

how to into nodes
and will you get vanned?

>>106092716
Don't run exit nodes unless you REALLY know what you're doing and what you're potentially getting yourself into depending on what jurisdiction you are in, what jurisdiction the servers are in, the hoster, etc.
Entry and relay nodes are fine, you seemingly ever only get warrants when running exit nodes. Guess a lot of retards use it to post death threats on facebook.

>>106091587
>because its slow as fuck
Speeds have improved a lot over the years. Obviously you still won't see it use your full connection but it's more than good enough if you aren't sharing 200GB+ skyrim texture mods and even then I usually see upwards of ~3MB/s.

>>106092745
An exit node by nature just looks like you doing all the things people are doing through Tor when they access the clearweb. It's kinda interesting people can even run them.

>>106091573 (OP)
tor and vpns suffer from same problem: easy to block at isp level.

>>106091900
never happened

>>106092745
it's not 2009. police are well aware of how exit nodes work and how such nodes contain nothing of value and aren't a key to uncovering a source.

>>106092874
>police are well aware of how exit nodes work and how such nodes contain nothing of value and aren't a key to uncovering a source
As I said, depends on jurisdiction. There are still more than enough countries with retarded police (or laws) that will unironically seize servers because they're running exit nodes.
Granted even here in Germany it has become rarer but it can still happen that people running exit nodes get v& and the servers hosting the vserver get seized. In fact that happened to someone from the CCC(iirc) just a year or so ago causing them to give up on hosting exit nodes.

>>106091587
It got way better on decent internet

>>106092955
That's how feds encroach. Attack all the activists, idealists and non profits running legit nodes to replace them with glow nodes

>>106091573 (OP)
TOR will not work if all 195 countries needs verification

>>106093499
They'll likely fuck it alongside VPNs, the exit nodes at least.

literally anyone would host an image board through a tor hidden service and yet almost nobody does. and when they do, despite it being a hidden service on the darkweb, they typically will voluntarily enact the same restrictions and cencership that you see on clearnet image boards.

>>106091695
ID verification of any kind is wrong.

>>106091695
/g/ is often anti government and helps people find technology to get around censorship, exactly the kind of thing you want to track and censor. Don't think this will stop at the porn, that's totally impossible.

>>106091573 (OP)
tor works as a layer over clearnet, there's no "getting on it" you can use it at anytime you want.
Hyphanet and i2p however do require some configuration. Plus they are a bit harder to learn and get used too than tor. If you wanted to "get on" something, start with them.

>>106091695
literally the only boards worth visiting, since they have valuable content vs. boards like this where the only content is reading the retarded opinions of basement dwelling forever-virgins with Asperger's syndrome.

Internet can get as fast as it wants. If I can't post migrant boats. I want nothing to do with it. Simple as.

>>106092510
onion links are just "encrypt everything and the kitchen sink" by design. But you can use clearnet over https to also anonymize yourself.
https://tor-https.eff.org/
this is a nice interactable graphic that shows exactly what the tor network does on its own, whas https does on its own, and how they work together.

You guys talk about Tor as if it was not an obvious honeypot. If they can catch pedos and drug dealers on it, they'll catch you too, for such abominable crime as having your own opinion on something.

>>106093978
even if this were true anon, I don't think glowies care about someone circumventing censorship jist so they can shitpost on clearnet sites.

>>106093978
When you study the details on how it's done it's user error 99% of the time. Tor is just a barrier of math like SSL, so if you create an account on the DNM with your full name it's not going to help.

>>106093996
Is it possible that one day they run out of pedos to arrest, and they need new people to arrest to justify their job, so they decide to chase the "terrorists" who don't comply with the censorship?

>>106094111
Then we're fucked anyways, that has always been the risk of doing anything but bowing your head. There could also be a nuclear war tomorrow but it would be stupid to live like it's certain since you would get nothing done and just lie in fetal position.
At some point you have to take risks if you want rights.

>>106093499
Going from tor to clearnet clearly won't work if that happens but you can still have onion sites that don't check verification, the anti-censorship starts that if the authorities can't find the site they can't prosecute it for not verifying visitors.

>>106093978
Protip: They catch these people using detective work. Turns out if you do shit like "Hi I'm John Smith" on tor it doesn't magically protect people from knowing that you're john smith. Now that's not exactly what happens but tor is a pretty dumb tunnel and if your computer is tricked into sending real identifying data down it (like a real IP address) then tor isn't gonna censor that.

>>106094171
Although that said maybe tor should actually censor user information; like actually have it built in that if it tries to send anything that matches a string with self-DPI that it just blocks it

Tor exit nodes are blocked on all websites anyway, no one want to deal with anonymous shitposting and ban evasions on their platform.

>>106094263
>Tor exit nodes are blocked on all websites anyway, no one want to deal with anonymous shitposting and ban evasions on their platform.
because they are narcissistic control freaks

>>106094315
Either that or most ban evading schizos use tor exit nodes to do schizo shit. Have you ever had to deal with someone who ban evades every 10 minutes every day for 15 hours for MONTHS
These people exist

>>106094328
>These people exist
ignore them instead of making it your business to censor them

>>106094346
Dude you simply don't understand. These people will make up 70% of all posted content if they're ignored. For months. Or years. There aren't a lot of these people but they are mentally ill enough to make it their goal in life to be a pain in the ass.
The posted content?
A copypasted schizo wall of text screaming about imagined slights.
Or glowies spamming CP to get your site shut down

>>106091573 (OP)
Want to connect to that Tor exit node? Better verify your ID first!

>>106094374
>Or glowies spamming CP to get your site shut down
tor hidden service, post away and thank you glowsaars

>>106094375
Incorrect terminology but I appreciate the joke. If you repeat it, replace exit node with bridge. Or entry node if you want to make it easier to understand.

>>106094400
That's fine but we're talking about clearnet sites affected by exit node users.

>>106094414
clearnet sites are irrelevant since they are heavily censored no matter what

>>106091573 (OP)
That's kind of a step backward isn't? If you're worried about government tyranny then why attract attention to yourself using a technology that same government created? I agree about the VPNs though. They seem pointless and just exist to placate paranoid types.

>>106094438
Because he's not retarded. Tor was literally created so people in police state hellholes like iran, russia, iraq, united kingdom, etc could evade censorship. The government funding doesn't change that it's an OPEN SOURCE project. If you want to look for where the government can get into it, be my guest.

>>106094438
>using a technology that same government created
Why are retards like this ? The tech is too complicated for their little brains, so they reject it for supposedly being created by the guberment (which in itself is not proof of anything, in most free countries research centers are independent and scientists do whatever they want without the government's supervision).

>>106091614
Source?

>>106091695
Why are you so sure of that?

>>106092562
Here in Russia using bridges is necessary, and these constantly get banned, so you need to roll for new ones every once in a while

>>106094957
I did read about the entry guard node bans, how about I2P? It should be very resistant as it is much more decentralized.

>>106094968
I2P does work without any additional configuration, yes. I do wonder why don't they use XMPP for communication in I2P instead of IRC tbqh.

>>106093871
what he means is we need to increase user adoption and given certain states have tried same thing age verification yeah we should be worried

>>106094893

https://www.openrightsgroup.org/blog/small-boats-and-silent-protest-prior-restraint-in-the-online-safety-bill/

>>106091573 (OP)
The problem with TOR is that its slow as fuck and darkweb schizos will post animal gore and CP with no consequence all day.

>>106096697
Same on the clearweb if you don't have mods. Just don't use non-moderated forums?

>>106092874
>tor and vpns suffer from same problem: easy to block at isp level
Isn't that what bridges are for?

>>106097784
Yup

What about DREAD forum? I think it is the best existing alternative.

>>106093597
Are you retarded? Hidden services often contain illegal material, thats the whole reason they're hosting it on the dark web to begin with. I know not every imageboard on the dark web is used for illegal activities but they are out there.

>>106097784
they help to circumvent any block but they too end up being firewalled eventually as security services document them all.

>>106097882
> often contain illegal material
not true.

>>106093597
>literally anyone would host an image board through a tor hidden service
there's been many board on tor over the years
> they typically will voluntarily enact the same restrictions and cencership that you see on clearnet image boards.
that's right. just because it's on tor doesn't mean that faggots can shit it up with their most retarded thoughts. i like how you fucking retard on this website think:
> hidden site on tor
> this means it has no rules
fuck off, retard.

>>106094457
Also the nodes that potentially get compromised are constantly watched by both their team and countless independent eyes and quickly banned, it's an open source project that's active on every single level of that meaning.

>>106091573 (OP)
>Tor
New PC, new network, NOT YOUR PERSONAL NETWORK, go to library to access literally anything.
I can only assume that VPNs will be eventually banned for the "Consumer Class" as per the ruling by the "Managerial Class", and they will reserve the right to use privacy tools "For Work"

>run snowflake-proxy
>most peers are from Russia and Turkmenistan
have fun ruskibros, stay safe

I would use Tor (it is still my default browser) but all the websites I go on somehow block or ban Tor or other issues. You can't even post on 4chan while on Tor, for example.

>>106098407
That's because the clear web alternatives are tolerable, as soon as the normal internet becomes more annoying to use than Tor it will flip the other way. People just follow the path of least resistance.

>>106098470
Okay so which websites should we go on while using Tor?

>>106098491
Why do you use the normal web? There are sites for discussion, hentai, videos, etc.
All these darknets are still relatively small and underdeveloped compared to the web in general, but they're very fertile ground under the global Panopticon.

>>106098491
http://sizeofaex6zgovemvemn2g3jfmguji
evmxxxbcgnbrnmgcjcjpiiprqd.onion for example.

>>106098517
Thank you! This is exactly the content I am looking for on Tor. Idk why the other guy >>106098498 misunderstood my question. I am looking for specific Tor sites or clear net sites that work on Tor to go on.

>>106092832
Prove you're actually doing those things.

>>106091573 (OP)
GOD BLESS Tor

>>106093978
>open tor
>sign into facebook
>post about illegal activities and services
>party van arrives
>pikachu face

>>106098778
Before I deleted my Facebook, Facebook barely let me login on Tor. It kept generating security alerts.

>>106091900
in what way? doesn't seem that way to me

>>106093871
fine, i'll install i2p, but where do you go once it's installed? i don't understand

where are the sites to visit? is there any chat rooms?

>>106096697
i use Tor and i've never once seen this kind of stuff, how the hell do you just randomly encounter it?

>>106097837
yep, this is the most popular site i know of as well
and i've never once seen porn stuff on there, so I have no idea how people are all saying it's full of porn on the darkweb

>>106091695
Ya fucking idiot

>>106098169
>that's right. just because it's on tor doesn't mean that faggots can shit it up with their most retarded thoughts. i like how you fucking retard on this website think:
>> hidden site on tor
>> this means it has no rules
>fuck off, retard.
you can't even speak clearly. kill yourself you worthless, insufferable nigger

>>106097882
>>106098169
Ah yes. Because what we need is either more reddits and facebooks websites where you live under the boot of a corporation, or an AnonTalk where you live under the boot of an demented narcissistic autist. God forbid anyone have a taste of the 90s wild west internet where you could just say something without being censored by your ISP, your credit card company, your bank, the CIA, the Five Eyes, and silicon valley.

>>106092716
It's really easy, actually. Just get a raspberry pi or old computer with Debian (although the Tor project prefers non-Linux OSes as it's better for network resilience, so consider using OpenBSD, NetBSD, or something else). Then download Tor via your package manager, configure your torrc to run a Tor relay (it's only modifying four lines, look it up on torproject.org), restart the Tor daemon, and you're now running a Tor relay. It's as easy as that.

>>106098798
stop trying to hack your own account then

real?

https://rentry.co/lemur-jeety

>>106098831
I have no idea anon. I'm in the same boat.
I just meant that tor is easy snd works out of the box so might as well spend our time learning to use alternatives.
Currently learning to use hyphanet but I'll probably switch to i2p soon.
Good luck

>>106098831
you'd have to wait a while then there were some address pages I forgot the names

>>106098831
the biggest directory of eepsites right now is notbob.i2p and their addressbook service might already be defaulted into your client

>>106091573 (OP)
lol, tor's not going to do your privacy any good, lmao. The feds control most of the ways they keep your data hidden there, especially with 1/3rd being china feds now.

>>106098517
>dolphin porn
c'mon

>>106099758
>chink feds
lol what will they do if they know im browsing an obscure site

How long before hardwire connections are banned for personal use and all internet connection must be hotspotted through the government approved app?

I love the IoT. So trendy, much 5G.

>>106091587
This
I2P even more so
Freenet is the slowest
Distributed solutions are great for privacy but are purposefully made slow for security reasons.

>>106091695
/g/ has coomer threads on it, you'll be next, idiot

It will be outlawed on October 15th in the UK

>>106097784
That's why everyone should have their own bridge. You can even request one for free but if you have a VPS it's easy to set up.

>>106098169
>they help to circumvent any block but they too end up being firewalled eventually as security services document them all.
lmao
Ok genius, how do they document a bridge? To them, it's just random encrypted traffic. They have no idea what a bridge looks like and IP Blocks are worthless because you can put a bridge on literally anything.

>>106100522
Oh No NoT OuTLaWeD
They can't even call their pedophile House of Lords pedophiles. Who cares about what the law says there, anymore? It's not like they know how to block VPNs or Tor.

lel

>>106098849
>>106096697
They're lying. Shrimple as.

Sites that allow TOR communities will also usually have a gateway service that you connect to with your cleartext IP, generate a hashed token, and use the IP token to post as a means of making your TOR traffic bannable but anonymized.

>>106091614
UK never had freedoms

>>106093884
>/b(bc)
>worth visiting

>>106098893
>>106098932
> basically we should be able to post child porn and call each other niggers since it's on tor, no matter what the owner of the onion site says
> free speech and all that shieeet

>>106100530
chinks have been blocking published and unpublished bridges as far back as 2011. drag your knuckles back into your cave, neanderthal man.

>>106091573 (OP)
>Dial up speeds in 2025
>No ad blocking
>Exit nodes banned by 80% of online services
>A publicly known entry and exit nodes means that any website host or ISP can simply block all of them and all of the traffic in like two minutes.
Yeah, we definitely need to mainstream this.

Heard in last thread that Hyphanet > i2p > Tor

The reason I have doubts about the anonymity on Tor is not because it was made by the gov, but because that gov was able to get backdoors in every OS and spyware in ISP hardware, so I can't imagine them not finding a way to compromise Tor. If they could not find a way, they could just go to the main devs of Tor, who live in USA, and order them to add just a few lines of code that look like nothing but actually permits them to identify anybody with some secret trick. To me it's just impossible that they didn't do that.
Now of course they would probably not arrest any people who say "nigger" on imageboards, but still. Actually, thinking about it, I can perfectly see my neighbors UK and Germany do exactly that, arresting every people who say "nigger" on Tor... I can even see EU globally make Tor illegal and arrest random Tor users for suspicion, just to scare everybody from using it. In Europe, contrary to USA, you are guilty unless proven innocent by the way, and like we know, when they don't find anything they don't hesitate to just plant it in your computer.

>>106104119
>that gov was able to get backdoors in every OS
Please substantiate your claim by showing at least the backdoors in Microsoft Windows, Mac OS and Linux respectively, the three most popular Operating systems.

(By the way, just sharing this info for the few remaining Win7 users, contrary to what they say the latest version of TorBrowser still works perfectly on Win7, you just need VxKex to report it as Win10.)

>>106104361
>most popular Operating systems
Nowadays this would be iOS and Android, which can be called spyware without exaggerating. But anyway, do you mean you don't believe there are backdoors in Windows and MacOS, seriously?

>>106104410
So no actual sources for your claims. Got it. Have a good day.

>>106102836
Hyphanet needs a reskin but the tech seems solid. Both Snowden and Assange used it to leak.

reminder they have names and families while you are a lone king and the world is your oyster :^)

>>106102836
Hyphanet has a completely different approach. Hyphanet is a decentralized anonymous data storage while Tor (proxy) and i2p (tunnel) can be used for anonymized services. Freesites in hyphanet are just hypertext files with links to resources while in Tor they come from an open or hidden server.

>>106098752
>gets raided
>your stuff taken away for probably years (because you have everything encrypted and refuse to decrypt).
>now prove that you are innocent
There's absolutely no case a normie should run an exit node. Exit nodes should be something for groups, activists, associations that have the means in manpower and money for the legal battle.

>>106104443
reskin? it's html pages with bunch of skins. sky is best btw. also it's shit.

>>106104909
I'm talking the UX for the default interface, it's quite autistic.
All darknets have less user friendliness than the normal web, but when you can no longer browse wikipedia without your ID they will suddenly make sense.

>>106104927
no one uses that. they use the other pedo app for chat and uploads.

>>106104577
>your stuff taken away for probably years (because you have everything encrypted and refuse to decrypt).
laughs in VeraCrypt hidden volume.

>>106091695
so basically the best boards.. we're cooked

>>106091573 (OP)
Okay but first you need to fix Tor.

>>106091573 (OP)
Five Eyes will post CP to any non-comped image board and get it shut down.

>>106107374
>fix Tor
That's a question I sometimes ask myself. Some people seem to know their subject when they say "Tor anonymity would be better if it did this instead of that, and bla bla bla". Why doesn't anybody make a better fork of it or at least contribute to the project to make it better? Why doesn't anybody fixes the situation? Don't pretend that they ALL have a job and family, you know it's not true.
inb4 "Why don't (you)?" Because I suck at network technologies and I'm not one of those claiming to know how to make it better.

>>106107769
You can replace "will" by "did", for that's exactly how they killed Tor.

>>106109264
>Why doesn't anybody make a better fork of it

I know who could do this and also set up a lot of nodes which are completely separate of the old Tor network.

>>106109278
Tor operated fine still.

There was a case of someone getting arrested for using freenet, and he didn't actually make any opsec mistakes, not sure if hyphanet is any different.

>>106092492
Oh no the internet of the 1990s where everyone has their own site and controls their own property is going to be all that will be left!

>>106091695
Oh look, yet another retard that doesn't understand the censorship slippery slope, even though he can already see it in action in realtime when he whipes the shit from his eyes.

You know, back in the day people would execute the precious useful idiots of tyrants. I think i'm starting to see why.

>>106091573 (OP)
tor is dead 90% of nodes are in the EU they are going to shut it down

Anon told me in other thread we have 2 weeks left...
uh, what's going on exactly?